From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 6 16:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8EE16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.blarg.net (zoot.blarg.net [206.124.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F59743D45 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:11:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abowhill@blarg.net) Received: from kosmos.my.net (12-230-212-176.client.attbi.com [12.230.212.176]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4956233D99 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from kosmos.my.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kosmos.my.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i070A2LP065337 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kosmos@kosmos.my.net) Received: (from kosmos@localhost) by kosmos.my.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i070A2B9065336 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kosmos) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:10:01 -0800 From: Allan Bowhill To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040107001001.GA65133@kosmos.my.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20040106202408.GC63867@kosmos.my.net> <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://www.blarg.net/~abowhill/ Subject: Re: Personal patches X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:11:44 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 0, Narvi wrote: : :On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Allan Bowhill wrote: : :> On 0, Brad Knowles wrote: :> :At 5:56 PM +0100 2004/01/06, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: :> : :> :>> [...] just remember that a meeting of peoples :> :>> who disagree, who are different, who ... is pretty much undeniab= ly :> :>> one of the things that does make America great. :> :> :> :> America is great? :> : :> : No. It has been turned into a police state. :> : :> : Prepare to be fingerprinted. :> :> Few U.S. citizens haven't been. : :you find it reasonable? Besides, it in no way counters the police state :part, and rather enodorses it. How so? There is nothing illegitmate, arbitrary, illegal, secret or repressive about requiring fingerprints and photos of visitors who come across our international borders. It is necessary record-keeping. {Personally I hope genetic fingerprinting ultimately replaces this system. This method of identification has proven indispensable in catching criminals who would otherwise have gone unnoticed. It works. Take Gary Ridegeway for example, who may have killed over 60 women in Washington State. He would never have confessed (and may never have been arrested) if the police could not confront him with a solid death penalty case, supported by genetic evidence. Because the police were able to confront him with this, he plea-bargained out of death in exchange for leading the police to his victim's gravesites.) :> Why should extranationals have more privilige? : :Mainly because they are extranationals?=20 Again, why should we trust? No organization (or nation) with plenty to lose will base it's practices on institutionalized trust. It's always institutionalized mistrust that makes it possible to conduct business. Like with banks. :Also, they are way less likely to :commit any crime than those already living inside the US. It's anybody's guess without statistics. But it's peripheral to the=20 reasons for this type of security. The point is to identify and catch people posing as travelers who are known to be terrorists, or associated with terrorism. If the system helps law enforcement catch other people on the lam, then more power to it. --=20 Allan Bowhill abowhill@blarg.net Etymology, n.: Some early etymological scholars came up with derivations that were hard for the public to believe. The term "etymology" was formed from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy" ("study of"). It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow." -- Mike Kellen --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/+05YBC/kSIeFE54RArlUAKDIN5TBKlxqU0JtorVvy1ZbuvqnBgCgtg9d JaqFL8xwZxnzSIi2L9I/J8k= =XYg5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ--