From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 09:40:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C563BD8840 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AE0D267 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473845880; bh=K8FlX2qMPeZOGEX2H7MgY/9SHSLFaoOBYctnmYzXjzQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=AWGowJXzSqAzl6hfFqTvID9OBf1oWgEW6ZttRPMt77d1pd+9DRBnJ8HDE8nlML1QVkz0LMW7NmYiyG1YmB8uKX5zah2TsQJq2D21IgPv/0VpyraVjvrnGR3+hKqj4SauChPRk7IrguI3joVUB6guVi4LXKXJRlVdWD3MVb+h/kc0NeKylPIuowCI+vzIt7uv5CwmRMJ/gQNV2PXfun2u/q458ELAT9Xquqh7E+KoL2QkySMmof4lRKV+8ZFlyBl/4lqNUx6K60YnvuNMSH1mF+8axwrmq6IDDxAPfmnzGRKe+ytogtPlrGCjQo7xpi44IQTd2u8qt34d2mbU/XXayw== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.106] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 828604.90129.bm@smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Yy0Jf.sVM1mUevHCBs8ms09bUcmGhgc.dtM9GdZ50MNi24w Tl5ZfD3OoiGxJttfaq69FIyxPP6Hq4esbDncvANaSmj9LPCZ2xdShQH9n7yB x6Wgfgxr.ONTAWhO4d5Ka89MKgdj_l3mcF0UYLll1r9.CKzFSAjARsHj3RGB h4MM.Uh4Ovs7QdRGUyK05OZzvllpXD.zZ1BP7o7IwhUBsEWFDtNHXwW6ECcy BZpAQsfMrbH6CsJ_x06DwfeADt3iW2_NK3y13Qa30TGEL.n2eck_trcf7aXV yoabK1mWt_cPEVcjTDpoPrjOvLnmNS4AQ9rjERdt8WDG_9LndLPW.cDz3W3E 0Ki3E058jESa.7F.wGO9LG1p34DWGa3prP2jjvyyoCsAb_wY2IzEHBakoGs9 T7M.gvxqJKvxvh81vdKkONnmvRImXC6sHwGP9zF711Tpf2pKYqXKiheopaWu Ktf9jdaCcH9paXWfk7UsI_Kzl626sKLAvInwl5rh2ry6KvUzc54f7Z9vrVTd xfNwdgcXrf7TUQNxizaCho50hBhWXEZCvGo3Hm_Z15UZcwAG9IkC6jnc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:37:59 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914113759.7af2759b@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:46 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:42 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >Can you provide a pointer? >Thanks. Yes, get in contact with WD support, they could explain you the whole situation. >As I said, I had disabled spin down. Can you provide a pointer? Thanks, since it's very unlikely, most likely is that you just increased the time, before the drive goes to sleep, but you still run gvfs and/or KDE apps such as K3b and or smartd and/or you are using udisks or similar to mounted instead of mounting by CLI or e.g. using rodent and/or you used libfm, before the bug was fixed, https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02ed5998b etc.. I don't want to discuss this anymore. The above coder was the only one who was willing to fix the bug for his software, all other developers spread FUD as yours. Again, get in contact with WD support. If you still should own a WD green drive, use smartctl to check the spin down and up cycles and banish all the above mentioned and similar apps. If something still was wrong with old WD green drives, then at least they are not broken anymore since around 4 years, since my WD green drive works around 4 years without issues, but as already pointed out, if it goes to sleep, no software wakes up the drive without a reason, this means I don't have gvfs installed, I don't launch K3b, I mount by CLI, I don't run smartd, I check the cycles from time to time and if the drive should start spinning again, I check what software does cause this issue and file a back against this software, so for libfm, used by lxpanel it was fixed. Apart from this, if a green drive is unwanted, then don't use one. The internal drives of my tower PC aren't WD green drives, they are SAMSUNG SpinPoints.