From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 11:30:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC01106564A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5108FC0A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so2907073vxg.13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.97.97 with SMTP id dz1mr5780507vdb.316.1310988603583; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r1sm1648346vdw.24.2011.07.18.04.30.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RHj3F21pPz2CG4g for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:00 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110718073000.29e89590@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4E23F31C.3010803@pathscale.com> References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E23F31C.3010803@pathscale.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:30:05 -0000 On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:47:24 +0700 C. Bergström articulated: > I wish people would spend as much time solving problems in *BSD as > they do trying to defend an irrelevant OS ;) Personally, I wish they would spend more time in developing fully functional wireless drivers as opposed to simply bumping the major version number every 18 months +/-. I have two new laptops ion front of me that I cannot use FBSD on simply because they don't support the wireless (N class obviously) installed in them. I simply refuse to purchase a machine to accommodate an OS; nor will I attempt to change the wireless network card/chip for the same reason. OK, now the usual group of "blame the manufacturers", blame Microsoft", blame everyone else for the problem are free to chime in. I was seriously considering hiring a professional programmer to write drivers for devices for me; however, it was then I remembers something I learned in business school, class 101. I weighted the cost of developing the drivers as opposed to simply purchasing an OS that all ready had those drivers readily available. Guess which was "many" times cheaper? Cost analyses proved that developing my own drivers was not cost effective. I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable of writing. Other OS's are currently working on that model. No one would be forced to contribute. This would prove beneficial to everyone and should satisfy both capitalist who don't mind paying for quality products and socialist like Poly who want everything for nothing. It would be a win-win situation. With the advent of the next version of FBSD soon to be upon us, this would be a propitious moment to start such a project. FBSD has never been considered a dreadnought in the driver development field and this might work to change that. At the very least, it would create a brouhaha among others although the pigeon-livered average FreeBSD user would probably abstain from support this project either from a lack of need or indifference to others or basic socialist/fascist concepts. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html