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Date:      Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:49:17 -0800
From:      Robert Clark <res03db2@gte.net>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, rjesup@wgate.com, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>, Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>, josb@cncdsl.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: DJBDNS vs. BIND
Message-ID:  <20010307074917.B47638@darkstar.gte.net>
In-Reply-To: <200103070840.BAA14141@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 08:40:01AM %2B0000
References:  <3AA5DB60.86A5C03D@softweyr.com> <200103070840.BAA14141@usr05.primenet.com>

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On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 08:40:01AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > I would argue that human recovery is not a useful scenario, even
> > > in the absence of a backup.
> > 
> > Which flies in the face of every system recovery ever attempted, including
> > the one I got to do last week.  Even if you just finished a full backup
> > of the system when it crashed/got killed, some files may be out of date.
> 
> You are thinking about systems which have sufficient exposed
> complexity that there are likely to be operators on hand to
> do the job; the incremental costs of doing the job are, I
> think, unrelated.  A storage format and appropriate tools to
> allow severable partial recovery of the data by a human are
> generally enough.
> 
> Basically, this means that binary data is not the issue, easy
> human recovery in this situation is.
> 
> I'd also argue that this situtation itself is increasingly
> rare.  In an embedded system running FreeBSD, for example, the
> only time an operator with the necessary capability will see
> te data, one way or another, is in a post mortem of a returned
> system.  This means that the vast majority of cases require
> the ability to perform automatic "best guess" recovery, at a
> minimum, or "last change state rollback" (effectively, working
> configuration versioning), at best.
> 
> 
> 					Terry Lambert
> 					terry@lambert.org
> ---
> Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
> or previous employers.
> 

In the instance of a post mortem, would a log of successive configuration
changes be more valuable than a file where only the last state is stored?

Some config files do track successive changes to a small degree. Or at
least show something about what added a section to the file. (rc.conf)

[RC]

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