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Date:      Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:37:35 +0200
From:      Andriy Gapon <avg@icyb.net.ua>
To:        Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-geom@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: newfs_msdos and dvd-ram (fwsectors, fwheads)
Message-ID:  <47BD8CAF.9090908@icyb.net.ua>
In-Reply-To: <20080222005213.W5655@besplex.bde.org>
References:  <47B81D07.7090208@icyb.net.ua> <47BD6F39.7080105@icyb.net.ua> <20080222005213.W5655@besplex.bde.org>

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on 21/02/2008 16:27 Bruce Evans said the following:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Andriy Gapon wrote:
> 
>> on 17/02/2008 13:39 Andriy Gapon said the following:
>>> Should newfs_msdos be able to work on "whole" cdX/acdX device ?
>>> [ufs/ffs] newfs can do it.
>>> But with newfs_msdos I had to run disklabel first and then I could
>>> create a filesystem on cdXa, but I couldn't do it on the whole disk.
>> It seems that the reason for this newfs_msdos behavior is in the
>> following lines:
>> if (ioctl(fd, DIOCGSECTORSIZE, &dlp.d_secsize) == -1)
>>    errx(1, "Cannot get sector size, %s", strerror(errno));
>> if (ioctl(fd, DIOCGFWSECTORS, &dlp.d_nsectors) == -1)
>>    errx(1, "Cannot get number of sectors, %s", strerror(errno));
>> if (ioctl(fd, DIOCGFWHEADS, &dlp.d_ntracks)== -1)
>>    errx(1, "Cannot get number of heads, %s", strerror(errno));
>>
>> While a failure to get sector size is a serious situation indeed, number
>> of sectors per track and number of heads are just relics of the past and
>> are not applicable to all types of should-be-supported media.
>> What's even more funny is that those values can be set via command line
>> options and in that case values from ioctl are not used at all.
> 
> Also, it needs the BIOS geometry, but has been broken to ask for, and

Bruce,

you lost me after this. I understand that you speak about a general
case, but is there a "BIOS geometry" for DVD-RAM disk ?
Would any information about physical structure of DVD-RAM disk prove
useful for FAT on it ?
I thought that all those CHS parameters were useful only in times when
CHS was the disk access mode (and maybe for performance optimizations).
I don't see how those parameters can be of any real use now.

P.S. I must declare that I know zero about FAT.

-- 
Andriy Gapon



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