Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:12:26 +0100 From: Carsten Zimmermann <cz@aegisnet.biz> To: "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@sitetronics.com> Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated? Message-ID: <20041223151226.GA721@galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de> In-Reply-To: <41CAC836.1080402@sitetronics.com> References: <39703F0F.4E843084.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> <34514.212.202.153.78.1103806722.squirrel@www.aegisnet.biz> <41CAC836.1080402@sitetronics.com>
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--BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Devon - I understand that this thread might be heavily annoying to those who are reading doc@ and advocacy@ for decades now. I admit I am too lazy to search the mail archives of these last X decades before I reply to a living thread (I use to do so when I _start_ a thread which might have been discussed in the past). I have no bad consciousness with that, I'm=20 sorry. I don't share your point of view that past discussions should not be re-heated just because there was no evident conclusion the last time. Who knows if there aren't any parameters changed which could lead to something this time? In contrast to that, your harsh comments are=20 probably suffocating exactly this. To my mind, the posting of the URL in the archives, which was very helpful, indeed, at an earlier point in this thread would have done a lot more! Me, I am no FreeBSD sourcecode jockey by now nor am I a webdesigner. I'm a FreeBSD adocate and maybe some sort of potential doc-writer. But that doesn't matter either - I USE FreeBSD and this makes me, FreeBSD being a community driven project, a stake-holder who wants to take part on this discussion. And there's many to which the above applies! I am willing to help, be it through actually commiting patches, templates, (...) or just through _opinion_. Conscensus was that there is hardly anyone who wants to have a lot of work (and spent free-time) sacrificed just because nobody seems to want what has been produced in the end.=20 These people should be backed and encouraged through community's _opinion_. That's why it is just right to continue this thread even though it has been discussed *a lot* in the past. Maybe it concludes to something _this_ time.=20 I agree, however, that those contributing to this thread should take advantage of the past discussion: we don't need to reinvent the wheel every halt a year... But this can only be achieved if the people who know it's been discussed before - people like you - give polite hints on where to find the information. regards, Carsten Am Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 02:2926PM +0100 schrieb Devon H. O'Dell: > Carsten Zimmermann wrote: > >Hello - > [snip] > >The website: The website is fine. It serves its purpose as stated before. > >But imagine being a network technician convincing your employer to move > >applications to The Great OS. I think the current FreeBSD website pretty > >much suggests as FreeBSD being a `geek? project. It can't be our aim that > >FreeBSD is considered unserious, FreeBSD definately needs trusting > >companies to raise its market penetration. And company's stake holders a= re > >(most often) easily tempted by visual impressions. Thus, the website > >itself is the primary marketing material in my eyes and I think there is > >great need of redesigning it in the midterm view. > > > >That much from me, > >Carsten > > > [snip] >=20 > I really hate to have to say this in such a crude way, but this=20 > discussion has always and will always boil down to this: put up, or shut = up. >=20 > There are a LOT of goals that have been set for this project, and nobody= =20 > has ever stepped up to help do them. Don't know what to do? The thread's= =20 > really in the archive, go check it out! >=20 > Other ideas to discuss? Put a bit of energy behind it and do the things= =20 > instead of discussing them. >=20 > Again, sorry for the coarseness, but people never seem to understand=20 > this when this subject is brought up. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Devon H. O'Dell --=20 Carsten Zimmermann mailto:cz@aegisnet.biz Aegis:Net IT-Dienstleistungen Postfach 620371 22403 Hamburg http://www.aegisnet.biz Info: +49-(0)700-AEGISNET --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFByuBaucbzqiAxJVkRAqZjAKDpD9k5tuUGQMuame7lBwqbe8IcLwCfWCK3 pjt6atP8z4OALiYr/jo2m/4= =lTCY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--
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