From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 22 14:24:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97216A421 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:24:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (vpn.mired.org [66.92.153.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E98513C4AD for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 40872 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jun 2007 14:22:51 -0000 Received: by bhuda.mired.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:22:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18043.56123.82466.596386@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:22:51 -0400 To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200706221237.l5MCbGKb097211@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <4676BAF0.4030703@gmail.com> <20070618180813.GA13003@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <322073cc0706181415o17ecd532i971d8bdf5ea1dafd@mail.gmail.com> <20070618221022.GA17952@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <868xadj651.fsf@dwp.des.no> <200706220124.l5M1Otob089313@fire.js.berklix.net> <200706221237.l5MCbGKb097211@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Primary-Address: mwm@mired.org X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`; h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: Mike Meyer Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Bert JW Regeer Subject: Re: i386 with PAE or AMD64 on PowerEdge with 4G RAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:24:41 -0000 In <200706221237.l5MCbGKb097211@fire.js.berklix.net>, Julian H. Stacey typed: > > > A while back I reverted my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ > > > (2010.06-MHz 686-class CPU) from 64 to 32 bit, 'cos of bad ports. > > > ls /var/db/pkg | wc -l # 536 Not that I use them all, they just > > > accumulate. FreeBSD is as solid as damp cement on many old laptops > > > ( http://berklix.org/~jhs/hardware/laptops/ ) ie doesn't install > > > beyond > > > 4.11. No time for ports pain as well as base install failures. > > > > Eh? I would like to contest this statement. I own several old > > Thinkpads, an Toshiba Portege and NONE of them have had any problems > > what so ever. My Toshiba is running -CURRENT without any issues what > > so ever. Damp cement? WTH? > > 5 out of 6 of mine have not wanted to go beyond 4.11 : PCMCIA, PLIP > etc Just one ruuns 6.2. FreeBSD 5 & 6 have been a nightmare of > more functionality at expense of breaking machines. 4.11 actually > installs & runs > see http://berklix.org/~jhs/hardware/laptops/ I don't use FreeBSD on laptops, but I've had much the same experience with some older desktop hadware - newer FreeBSD's don't boot, with the disk subsystem failing somewhere along the way. The depressing part was searching the bugs database and finding people reporting the exact same problem on the same hardware when those systems had first been released as -STABLE, and they still remained unfixed. But this wasn't 64 vs 32 bit issue - this boxes were to old to run 64 bit code. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.