From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 6 5: 0:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A067D37B405 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eowyn.vianetworks.nl (eowyn.vianetworks.nl [212.61.25.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F5B43F75 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from uucp.iae.nl (uucp.iae.nl [212.61.26.37]) by eowyn.vianetworks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC1620F0C for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:00:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp.iae.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id OAA18079 for java@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:00:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from bowtie.nl (euripides.intra.bowtie.nl [192.168.4.15]) by bowtie.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h16CuIg17961; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:56:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-ID: <3E425B71.5080302@bowtie.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:56:17 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Organization: BowTie Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021023 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020506050609020908010609" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020506050609020908010609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow, my mail doesn't seem to be accepted by java@freebsd.org, if this shows up twice, apologies. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen tel. +31 40 2 64 98 60 BowTie Technology fax. +31 40 2 64 98 61 Raiffeisenstraat 7 mailto:marc@bowtie.nl 5611 CH Eindhoven http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- --------------020506050609020908010609 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation)" X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 1.3 Return-Path: Received: from euripides.intra.bowtie.nl (euripides.intra.bowtie.nl [192.168.4.15]) by bowtie.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h16B5Gg16405; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:05:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@euripides.intra.bowtie.nl) Received: from euripides.intra.bowtie.nl (localhost.intra.bowtie.nl [127.0.0.1]) by euripides.intra.bowtie.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16B5F6W079836; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:05:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@euripides.intra.bowtie.nl) Received: (from marc@localhost) by euripides.intra.bowtie.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16B5Ew0079834; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:05:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:05:13 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen To: "John L. Utz III" Cc: John Polstra , billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, bod@freebsdfoundation.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) Message-ID: <20030206120513.A79704@euripides.intra.bowtie.nl> Reply-To: marc@bowtie.nl References: <20030206021823.GB4193@gnuppy.monkey.org> <863cn2nf6g.wl@utweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <863cn2nf6g.wl@utweb.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:36:39PM -0800, John L. Utz III wrote: > John; > > Thankyou so much for taking the time to summarize the discussion between you > and bill. > [ John's explanation cut ] I feel that I must step up and defend Bill here. While I don't necessarily agree with his liberal use of abusive language, I do feel that we wouldn't be having a working hotspot compiler if it weren't for Bill. Judging from his postings to this mailling list (which anyone can look up), he must have been pretty frustrated with the slow progress and bugs in the FreeBSD threading system that he had to work around / solve at the same time. And while I can't judge Bill's technical ability, I do know that for a long time he was the only one working on it, he has certainly done the most unpleasant labour, but he persisted and now the java port seems to have reached a state where real progress can be made. But Bill has laid the foundation for that! If I were to judge Bill's character from his postings here, I would have to say that it seems somewhat volatile, but his enthusiasm and perseverance are also very strong traits, and he shouldn't be dismissed because of his strong reaction, as some posters (without a clue to what he did) seem to do. I can't really blame him for reacting (maybe not this strongly) this way, but the way John has handled this was very poor, and I'm in complete agreement with John Utz here. Come on John (Polstra), just give the guy credit for what he has done, and admit you should have consulted with him at the least. Also let's have a discussion over what went wrong here and what we can do to improve future situations. That way Bill can put his nuclear flamethrower away, and he can just go back to hacking, and we can all stomp on the jdk 1.4 / 1.3 to get it to production quality, something everyone here wants! Regards, Marc. PS. Bill, if John does as I suggest you might consider apologing for your overly abusive language. You overdid it a bit. You seem to have enough sympathy from the lurkers here, you don't need the strong language. --------------020506050609020908010609-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message