From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 5 11: 0:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C595937B71A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f25J0Ir24528 ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:00:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA03001 ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:00:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:00:18 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Trent Waddington , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Johnson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Message-ID: <20010305200017.D80474@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Brett Glass , Trent Waddington , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Johnson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010305004222.00cfe2a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010303132348.04461420@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305004222.00cfe2a0@localhost> <20010305134937.K80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305114235.046da630@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010305114235.046da630@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:47:25AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What we have is a war that is escalating on BOTH sides. Many people who > never worried about protecting their intellectual property are now > under siege by the followers of Stallman and feel that they have to > take extreme measures. Again, we need to broker a new and lasting peace. > But Stallman, Barlow, and others are selfishly trying to instigate, and > then take advantage of, a war. Hence the Richard III analogy. Have you ever thought that, if *you* want to broker peace, the way to do it is not to spew hate messages about the GNU camp at every forum you see? I've been reading your posts on this list, and occasionally on some other sites, and you haven't been model of moderation or an example-setter of bridge-building -- to the extent that you've irritated a lot of people who would in fact agree with a lot of what you say. For instance, I think DES is not going to see this, though he's in the cc's above. It's a bit like Tom Lehrer's introduction to one of his songs: "I'm sure you all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people out there who do not love their fellow human beings, and I *hate* people like that!" Whoever manages to take the IP thing forward in a constructive way, and satisfy a large number of factions of both sides, will certainly earn the gratitude of many people. But somehow I don't think it will be someone with your attitude. Also, the issues are not confined to software, and the people involved in some of the most important current debates have probably never heard of either Richard Stallman or John Perry Barlow. See, for example, these two recent news articles: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1202000/1202402.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1151000/1151437.stm -Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message