From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 2 17:03:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD66DABB17 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED266D46A for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id AFFDFCB8CD0; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:03:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:03:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <31197.128.135.52.6.1501693420.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:03:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Ban on spam-sender domains from posting to freebsd-questions From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "markham breitbach" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <20170802144911.1457.qmail@ary.lan> In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 17:03:46 -0000 On Wed, August 2, 2017 11:32 am, markham breitbach wrote: > I have been a user of FreeBSD since around 2.1 and in all that time I have been a subscriber to this list intermittently. This discussion happens about once a year, and usually generates more traffic than any of the actual spam. Disagree. > > That being said... > > 1. Yes, there is spam. It tends to come in bursts, but really isn't that much. > > 2. Having a subscriber only policy doesn't necessarily prevent spam. Agree, but it forces using real address, so leaves only spam sent by nut cases. Banning them off the list yet further diminishes comings back. > > 3. I really don't see why the list can't have a subscribe-only policy. It could even respond with subscription instructions for non-subs. In all my years of watching this list, I can probably count the number of instances that someone has asked for responses off-list-only. Agree. But after attempting to argue for "subscribers only" policy (unsuccessfully), I kind of gave up... Valeri > > > > $.02 > -M > > On 2017-08-02 9:13 AM, Carmel NY wrote: >> On 2 Aug 2017 14:49:11 -0000, John Levine stated: >>> If fbsd would configure its lists to accept mail only from >>> subscribers, most of the spam would go away. >>> Approximately every other list in the world does that. I cannot begin to guess why they imagine that isn't effective. >> You are wasting your breath, or maybe it is electrons or bandwidth or whatever. This exact problem has been discussed ad infinitum on this list. The consensus is that users of this list are either too lazy or stupid to subscribe to the list. I showed that I could subscribe (requires email verification) and unsubscribe in less than three minutes total time. I seriously doubt that anyone would choose to do that though. Apparently, it is the commonly held belief that somebody, somehow, somewhere, might want to ask a random question on this list and we would be infringing on his right to do so by asking him/her to first register. >> Strange how it works so well on other forums though. The FreeBSD motto apparently is, "Tis better to screw over the hundreds than >> inconvenience the one." > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++