From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 22 17:16: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F078D37B405 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-201.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.201] helo=wopr.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15kww8-000Bg7-00; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:15:56 +0100 Received: from wiggy by wopr.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.21 #2) id 15kww9-000Ftg-00; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:15:57 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:15:57 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Stephen Hurd , Technical Information , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror Message-ID: <20010923011557.B60374@jake.akitanet.co.uk> References: <3BAC3644.1CB0C626@mindspring.com> <3BAD1FAE.2F3D40F5@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BAD1FAE.2F3D40F5@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 04:33:02PM -0700 X-Scanner: exiscan *15kww8-000Bg7-00*$AK$NezmdLbcxhM4ClWkFigXb1* Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sep 23, Terry Lambert wrote: > The spellings I've seen have been "Osama", not "Usama"; which is > correct? I've always seen it as Osama. Usama is closer to how it's pronounced. > Yes, Iraq is a state that is known to sponsor terrorism. So is the USA - god knows how many operations the CIA have backed, involving everything from drug smuggling through to terrorism. In fact, they gave Laden his weaponary and training in the first place. As I've stated elsewhere, certain portions of the US population don't seem to have a problem with the IRA either. > I've seen both of those. If the events are so frivolous as > you imply, then the U.S. is more concerned with internal > politics, rather than world opinion. If that's the case, then > we would simply have attacked already, and to hell with what > people think of us, if they are determined to think evil of > us, as you imply. Even Bush isn't stupid enough to piss off the EU countries, the UN security council and NATO. This *is* about internal politics - Bush is attempting to do what his father did (who in turn learnt from Margaret Thatcher) by engaging in a war that is positive from a publicity point of view. All this makes him look good with the electorate. Yes, I am cynical enough to believe that is his primary motive - he knows he is now far more popular than he was before the 11th September, and the reason he is popular is because he now has the oppurtunity to push the right buttons... > Bombing is _nothing_ compared to the other extreme options > available. See above. Bush knows, and more importantly his advisors know that if gets to that point, he has a problem with the whole of the UN. The US might be big, but it's not big enough to avoid getting into the shit. > You have a lot of terrorists claiming credit before the act > over there, do you? It would seem to me with that information, > you should be able to prevent the acts. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message