From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 05:31:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0873216A4CE; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:31:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B1643D1F; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1B5Vgj23869; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Garance A Drosehn" , Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:31:40 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Garance A > Drosehn > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:26 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > NetBSD!!! > > > It is interesting that I constantly hear "FreeBSD MUST have the > Beastie as the only logo for FreeBSD. We MUST NOT even consider > any other logo -- because if we consider ANY other logo, we will > be close-minded!". > That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original debate. Go read Advocacy, where all this started, I made a post there which specifically called for the people offended by the beastie image to go design their politically correct logo, and to use it with their dealings with their customers. Nobody in the pro-beastie camp is saying they can't do this. What is actually happening is the people offended by the beastie image are asking the rest of us to stop using it as a logo and substitute some watered-down PC version of it that (at least this year) supposedly offends no one and will become the 'official logo' > So, there is one-and-only-one valid logo for FreeBSD, and that > is because FreeBSD is so very open-minded? > There can be only ONE 'flagship' logo just as there is only one company name in a conglomerate. But there is plenty of space for different subsidiary marks for the product. For example, Chevrolet, Buick, Saturn, these are all part of General Motors. However they have their own distinct brands and logos and such. But, there is only ONE name for the company - GM - that is used when talking about the -entire- enchalada. > Note that the contest is just to see what logos people can come > up with. It's not like we are demanding that the logo must have > angels in it, or a picture of some other religious figure. > Nothing more than "Let's see what ideas people can come up with". > And if some of the suggestions reproduce Beastie in all his un-politically correct glory, what then? What if they put it to a vote and the userbase all votes for logos that clearly represent the Beastie image? What will have been the point of the contest? You know darn well your blowing air on the contest. Unless the contest admins deliberately filter out and restrict all beastie likenesses, the contest will be dominated with Beasties. And unless they don't put it to the userbase for a vote, the userbase will go for beastie. Ted