From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 27 11:55:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AFB37B414 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f8RItlN31061 ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA72744 ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:55:47 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: David Schwartz Cc: paul@freebsd-services.com, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: helping victims of terror Message-ID: <20010927205547.B69066@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010927204008.A69066@lpt.ens.fr> <20010927185300.AAA1280@shell.webmaster.com@whenever> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927185300.AAA1280@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>; from davids@webmaster.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 11:52:59AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schwartz said on Sep 27, 2001 at 11:52:59: > > >I believe most people regard the authoritative work -- as far as the basic > >philosophy and ideas are concerned -- to be "The Communist Manifesto" by > >Marx and Engels. Beyond that (and perhaps including that), it's a matter of > >dispute whether communism states it or not. > >If Stalin stated it that doesn't mean all communists must agree with him. > > If it's a logical conclusion to draw from what Stalin stated, then Stalin > gets (some of) the blame for it whether he said it or believed it (though it > may be erroneous to describe it as 'Stalin's belief'). Similarly, if it's an > illogical conclusion to draw from what Stalin said, he's free from blame even > if many people draw that conclusion from his works. Sorry, I don't follow what you're saying at all. My point is, it's meaningless to say "communism says this". You could say "some communists say this", or "this book by a communist leader says this", but there is no Bible for communism -- unless it's the Communist Manifesto, as I said. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message