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Date:      03 Apr 2002 09:06:48 -0800
From:      swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen)
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Hold Harmless (was: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix)
Message-ID:  <b8vgb8679z.gb8_-_@localhost.localdomain>
In-Reply-To: <3CAAAA98.E9D7EBE6@mindspring.com>
References:  <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <3CAAAA98.E9D7EBE6@mindspring.com>

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Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> writes:

> 2)	Imply in law a hold harmless for code placed in the
> 	public domain, so that licenses are not required to
> 	obtain this protection for authors.

How do you explain the fact that many lawyer-rich companies have put
information into the public domain with nothing more attached than a
disclaimer?  Many books don't even have that.

Do you know of any cases where people have been successfully sued over
information like software, where a license contract was not involved?

Are you aware that most users of most open source software (specifically
BSD-licensed software) need not (and seldom do) agree to the terms of
the licenses (including the disclaimers) to legally use the software
(as long as they don't republish it), yet few of the lawyers who've
looked at open source licenses have raised this as a risk.

So I wonder if the law doesn't already imply a hold harmless.  It WOULD
be good to make it explicit, of course.

And if licenses ARE required for hold harmless protection, it should be
noted that GOOD licenses are required, and probably ones which don't
allow you to own the software copies or maybe to own them without first
accepting the licenses.

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