From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 07:51:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A01C9C2642 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9CC1D11 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3D0649C2640; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9B89C263F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F002D1D0E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81AB3D523; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8G7pKAD009971; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-Id: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > > >>> You say that you can't "quit > >>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different > >>> things. > >> > >> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. > > > > This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) > > > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html > > That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." So an addition of the "vt vs. sc" topic would be nice, if (and _really_ if) those HAL side effects are no longer significant. I think HAL has been deprecated in Linux for some time now, and more and more packages are dropping it as a dependency or component, and that's a _good_ thing, If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with that trash in the near future, too? :-) > Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather > than trying with an empty one. Typically not found in a fresh install. :-) > > I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit > > and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going > > to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things > > inside Xfce won't work as expected. > > Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest > need little or no configuration. Nice to hear that. Was about time. :-) I'd still be interested if system power control and automount capabilities still require fiddling with the *Kit's XML files scattered across the /usr/local subtree. :-) > >> This is a SuperMicro with a low end Radeon graphics card. > >> If vt(7) doesn't work I'll try vt(8). > > Err... there is only vt(4). I think this is just a little confusion of "sc or vt", where sc is the alternative to vt, and only if you really _really_ need it (german Umlaut support in text mode could be imagined as an example). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...