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Date:      Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:32:19 +0100 (BST)
From:      Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com>
To:        Sren Schmidt <sos@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, bde@zeta.org.au, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-sys@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd ad1848.c sb_dsp.c sound.c
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.95q.980609002138.351C-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>
In-Reply-To: <199806081140.NAA03454@sos.freebsd.dk>

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On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Sren Schmidt wrote:

> the devfs stuff was broken
> the ELF activator was broken
> the sound system was broken
> the wd driver was broken
> the wst driver was broken
> DDB was broken.

Elf and DDB are fair comment.  I was under the distinct impression that I
tested Elf and Linux compat but I think I made a mistake and booted the
wrong kernel.  Such is life.  DEVFS and SLICE for whatever reason are not
enabled in LINT.

Perhaps I was wrong in thinking that LINT contained all reasonable
combinations of drivers and options.  If there are problems with
configurations that are not compatible with LINT, then we need more test
configurations.  I believe that I have fixed any breakage in a timely
fashion.  IMHO with a commit like this some fallout is inevitable.

> 
> Need I continue ??
> 
> > 4. If building LINT is no longer a sufficient test, we should determine
> >    what *is* a sufficient test before we start flaming people.
> 
> It has NEVER been sufficient to build LINT :), and it probably never will
> be, there are too much interference between different drivers etc for
> that to work. Find & grep is some of your helpers here, and so would a large
> regressiontest framework be, but we don't have that. So one should at 
> least grep for the matter (here a simple grep for ioctl would have
> done nicely), or have the code run through a couple of others as they
> will most often have different setups and will probably spot some
> of the offending bugs.
> 
> As usual we all make mistakes (and I've done my fair share), but generic
> changes like these should be tested & reviewed by at least a couple
> of others with different setups.

As I recall I mailed core about this change and only Bruce was kind enough
to show any interest.  Certainly no-one asked to review the diffs.  I have
no interest in a flame war on this and I have my own pointy hat to wear
for the next couple of days so lets just leave it at that ok? 

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Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 951 1891
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