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Date:      Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:23:08 -0600
From:      iamatt <>
To:        "Mike." <>
Cc:        FreeBSD Mailing List <>
Subject:   Re: Am I getting too old
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In-Reply-To: <201401220735230348.009E6644@smtp.24cl.home>
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Agree.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who fumbled around with this.  Been
running FreeBSD servers in some capacity since 3.X days and had some issues
with my normal 4.2 upgrade and disk manipulation mentality.  Now I have to
reconfigure all of my jails to the "new" way...    Guess , for me,  its
getting a lot of cool features in the OS that I do not need but glad they
are available!

On Jan 22, 2014 6:35 AM, "Mike." <> wrote:

> On 1/22/2014 at 4:18 PM Olivier Nicole wrote:
> |Hi,
> |
> |in the old times (FreeBSD 8) it took me 5 minutes to partition
> a disk
> |for a test machine: create a couple of MS DOS partitions,
> install the
> |MBR, create FreeBSD partitions, done. It used to be working
> easily,
> |efficiently and reliably.
> |
> |Now it had been one day since I tried to reproduce that with
> FreeBSD
> |9, not to avail: I always end up with messaged saying things
> like
> |invalid partition, or stuff like that.
> |
> |What was the rational behind the decision of breaking something
> that
> |used to work fine (that had been working fine for over 10
> years) and
> |replace it with something that is ugly, unfriendly (you have to
> give
> |some types to the partitions, but nowhere is it written what
> type is
> |allowed or not) and that is not working?
> |
> |Oh maybe if I choose to go all by default it will work, but I
> don't
> |want the default, I want to be allowed to make my own choices
> easily.
> |
> |Best regards
> |
> |Olivier
>  =============
> I had sentiments similar to yours a couple of months ago, except
> I had been using FreeBSD since around version 4.
> Except for a (imo, stupid) design decision that allows metadata
> conflict between gpart and gmirror in some instances, I learned
> to like using the gtools suite.
> I did take the time to install FreeBSD on a spare computer, and
> use and learn the new way of doing things.  I found that step to
> be important because examples for the gsuite are not as common
> as examples for the older way of doing things.
> I also found out that the disk you are working on must be clean
> of any old metadata that may be lurking on it.  That was a big
> source of frustration for me until I discovered that it was the
> old metadata that was fighting me.  I eventually wrote a script
> that wipes the first few and the last few sectors of a disk
> drive, as I found that gpart was not always able to clear all
> metadata.  Why, I do not know. imo, that should be a gpart
> subcommand - unequivocally and assuredly wipe all metadata.
> ("gpart destroy -F"  does not seem to always work).
> In summary, I now prefer gpart and the gsuite of tools, but they
> are still rough around the edges in the documentation, ease of
> use and examples areas.
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