From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 05:20:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A880B7BE for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6188B2B81 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.185]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F0C02733C for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:12:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <53C75B53.90806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:12:51 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: pkg-static add wait condition hang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:20:17 -0000 This is an ongoing saga continued on from before - still sorting it all out after setting aside all the months ago. Learning tinderbox has been a journey to say the least too... However, I have managed to get things going somewhat smoothly with tinderbox now; excepting that I'm getting a stall on pkg-static add on certain packages (I think? might be all). Currently I have a process stuck at 0:43 and sitting on wait condition in the scheduler for over 24 hours now. The time factor doesn't change due to the wait condition so the timeout doesn't kick in, but I don't think its tinderbox fault anyway. If I kill the process obviously the tinderbox queued job fails. I can't quite figure out exactly how to debug under tinderbox on this, but I can't see what is the problem either. Removal of the offending packages only results in them being rebuilt and then the hangs continue anyway. Any clues guys? Also is there a pkg@ list now? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 14:40:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6B14B9 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x229.google.com (mail-qa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A4922DF1 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j7so1991677qaq.0 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/hc9TyUpihrsl/nKdOSX/JyMGFhjmh45tBaP6qCpdsY=; b=VuzzNejfEEdLgoJO2EWfFyuAdH+IknPIJxkae7weR6h60LypMGlIxPh4pX1PbROdkI qXO5CpRAZzf+4T3YYb8fM9EGEbk6W36Iko0R2kZLlHHjOOcDsA2uBjdaDRQjf7JByeMv VzXVDarLpKjKNik16isTTnLDx7IVnirS5jVKgZExo5ClvDpo2IFryM1VLqfktGKWu4+p Iup5AEYNuCRJdBTziIQLnB3sxOqaJupmO7SP/Ku3WzSL1PbYV2TYqImX+fvpdaYHHk3z WdMZMp4LRplp7dtB2Oq/jvvIXrdfZ6pZ12aJ24OIw6KQPxS3iGZPuLiPk/B+WxNC5qZE qGIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.82.74 with SMTP id a10mr57637194qcl.21.1405608016645; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.105.163 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: mod_* ports for apache24 From: Tommy Pham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:40:17 -0000 Hi folks, I'm running into a bit of problem locating the ap24-mod_* in /usr/ports/www per: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=mod_&stype=all&sektion=all root@rproxy:/usr/ports/www # ls -d ap* apache-forrest apache22-event-mpm apache22-worker-mpm apache-mode.el apache22-itk-mpm apache24 apache22 apache22-peruser-mpm apercu for example: *ap24-mod_antiloris-0.4_1 *Protect Apache 2.x against the Slowloris HTTP DoS attack Long description *:* Changes *Maintained by:* alex@vts.su.ac.rs *Requires:* apache24-2.4.9_4 , apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_2 , db48-4.8.30.0_2 , expat-2.1.0_1 , gdbm-1.11_2 , gettext-0.18.3.1_1 , indexinfo-0.2 , libiconv-1.14_3 , pcre-8.34_1 , perl5-5.16.3_11 and root@rproxy:/usr/ports/www/mod_antiloris # make ===> ap24-mod_antiloris-0.4_1 is marked as broken: : Error from bsd.apache.mk. apache24 is installed (or APACHE_PORT is defined) and port requires apache22 at most. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_antiloris I tried both portsnap and "svn checkout *https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org */ports/head /usr/ports" Am I missing something? Thanks, Tommy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 15:46:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78ADC987 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A5F323EF for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id at20so3100823iec.25 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vBIbhR/16t+Aq8ct01kpFdyHt0oWad3qKF9lbgUfRZw=; b=INrUF1zEsKVWKITy8ZcKziPRQpRtH1Cd9y93wBKvAOXRMiinxeN0jWZryxIYgFPbsd pN9VIO7DDfrMSq8o4+uoGlongtYIpzQN+UbewYNfs4jgaSJN+Rt5LXX+VvkswLyVdk6l onvq7BOfI0f6ghFpjqveoa9+tYlu0Zo3hlIl3I0sEsL8hoXJjtywAB7luEUSCvAYWAiY K0dH81pa8hfMH7J4nzHl5UG3pS0Pxlyf3HVM1gcyoDnH51tcJ7/DWMcErk58fyIhbzAn MD9aoocByJudBPLSGI6etnuz5AmGTOPSmYpn+S1ih6U0g3jOlOHrmWkDc3kTIMWmi795 ILJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.12.38 with SMTP id v6mr28838842igb.29.1405611995721; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:46:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: V7V2QIEheRzGaaZS1spzzI7tvC8 Message-ID: Subject: bootonly ISO loader code? From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:46:36 -0000 Hi all, I'd like to look at releng/10.0 code for loader as it exists in the bootonly ISO. More specifically, I'm interested in the headers and any documentation with regards to error codes when loader mounts the root filesystem. I assume it's somewhere at http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/10.0/sys/boot/. Can someone identify where in that directory I should start looking? -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 16:51:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 173D3A7D for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED1022A76 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (IDENT:cwr@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.9]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6HGosp2005749 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:51:00 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:50:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@faeroes.freeshell.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Suspend/Resume on 10-RELEASE-p7 Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:51:37 -0000 Hi all, I am running 10.0-RELEASE on my Lenovo X201 laptop. One of the major usability features of any operating system on a laptop is the ability to suspend/resume to/from sleep. I feel FreeBSD lags behind significantly in this area, but I really wanted it to work, so I specifically bought this X201 based on reports of people having success. I had success, too, for a short time. After compiling a custom kernel to exclude VESA support from the kernel, suspend/resume worked perfectly on 10.0-RELEASE-p6. Now that I've upgraded to 10.0-RELEASE-p7, it no longer works well. It still goes to sleep, and it still wakes up; however, after it is awoken, the GUI is incredibly sluggish to the point that it is nearly unusable. For example, if one drags a window across the screen to relocate it, the window's movement lags behind the mouse position by many seconds. Can anyone point me in the right direction to remedy this situation so it works as it did at patch level 6? What changed that would cause this behavior? I really appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks so much! Charlie cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 16:55:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1088B54 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39CB2A9E for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (IDENT:cwr@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.9]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6HGsl2e014138 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:54:50 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@faeroes.freeshell.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pf causing boot delay Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:55:20 -0000 Hi all, I'm having an interesting issue with pf on my laptop machine. After enabling pf by adding pf_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf and using the simplest ruleset possible in /etc/pf.conf, my machine takes an added 60 or more seconds to boot up. I'm running 10.0-RELEASE-p7 on a Lenovo X201 ThinkPad. I'm using the SLiM login manager. The system boots as normal, printing dmesg output to the screen as it boots. Then it appears as though X is about to launch; however, it just hangs for 60 or more seconds at a blank screen. Then, finally, my SLiM login window appears and the system operates as normal. Any ideas why enabling pf would delay the display of my login screen so much? Thanks for your help, Charlie cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 18:05:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ED6F70C for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpb.telissant.net (smtpb.telissant.net [199.233.230.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77F8206F for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from barrida.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097A9273B7 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:55:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpb.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by barrida.3dresearch.com (barrida.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id svH7FEO33j6w for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (pool-108-3-92-199.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [108.3.92.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5433227372 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by doncurzio.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A2B96A1E47 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:54:58 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: CPU temperature reading Message-Id: <20140717135458.6c3a58d14732798685660928@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:05:30 -0000 Hello, I am getting impossibly low temperature readings on a new system running FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #0 r268555 amd64: # sysctl -a | grep amdtemp dev.amdtemp.%parent: dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp dev.amdtemp.0.%location: dev.amdtemp.0.%pnpinfo: dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb4 dev.amdtemp.0.sensor_offset: 0 dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 17.2C dev.amdtemp.1.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors dev.amdtemp.1.%driver: amdtemp dev.amdtemp.1.%location: dev.amdtemp.1.%pnpinfo: dev.amdtemp.1.%parent: hostb10 dev.amdtemp.1.sensor_offset: 0 dev.amdtemp.1.core0.sensor0: 19.1C The BIOS only says CPU temp "Low". Smartctl shows 30C for hard drive temperatures. The ambient temp in the room is about 24C - defective CPU thermal sensors? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 18:26:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C8B4E39 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9BE122A3 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id pv20so1547733lab.1 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lTyvLbaRllwjEkwYWd/4yJEXmqMF11hXcZn6EUM9V8o=; b=gJDQAwgpBQwmUyFNcD/bzNWwpEM+T20WFUz0V+t+KjLDfDTYypN8HpgWnuorzoMfnc 4J8GK4bEabMNZuBPVm90UTBpy9cIQmxmOcP9PoRzlD/AviAEW5nU1SJelSFZLgUSCc6v Pp4lGj7INRbPciRVaExutQzvkke+4Yrf1MYXUSJOre58GswsdFyjajLqt8vmDmLRR3+b WYRn3riImrhD+PnJNgiQD9hjx9IcNbEQibOcVQMTmkKnfu5f5TLYt+BaXiGYiUROnkYE kqDvgS30wfHCD0M2JfZI7JGn0yAtB8+C5VauAfshNNxmBFb7dbFK6JXlUAV7cTITlh5l 53Dg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkOlSfmPUw/94Dr2ED+RIFIaLguxE6cHW7YUw91I6hWGNDxUmWeeh+97WZPjRTMbZbtI7ZY MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.13.4 with SMTP id d4mr33360004lbc.50.1405621184954; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.209 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140717135458.6c3a58d14732798685660928@3dresearch.com> References: <20140717135458.6c3a58d14732798685660928@3dresearch.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:19:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CPU temperature reading From: Antoine Kallab To: Janos Dohanics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:26:54 -0000 On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > Hello, > > I am getting impossibly low temperature readings on a new system > running FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #0 r268555 amd64: > > # sysctl -a | grep amdtemp > dev.amdtemp.%parent: > dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors > dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp > dev.amdtemp.0.%location: > dev.amdtemp.0.%pnpinfo: > dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb4 > dev.amdtemp.0.sensor_offset: 0 > dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 17.2C > dev.amdtemp.1.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors > dev.amdtemp.1.%driver: amdtemp > dev.amdtemp.1.%location: > dev.amdtemp.1.%pnpinfo: > dev.amdtemp.1.%parent: hostb10 > dev.amdtemp.1.sensor_offset: 0 > dev.amdtemp.1.core0.sensor0: 19.1C > > The BIOS only says CPU temp "Low". > > Smartctl shows 30C for hard drive temperatures. The ambient temp in the > room is about 24C - defective CPU thermal sensors? > Most likely. Here's a temporary fix: Have you ever recorded your CPU temperature and load before? If so, compare the load averages with then and now, and set the sensor offset, so the readings match the temperatures. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 19:19:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC45CEC for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.apsz.com.pl (mail.apsz.com.pl [95.48.209.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDF9A276F for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chroot.pl (89-67-169-110.dynamic.chello.pl [89.67.169.110]) by mail.apsz.com.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD8E245C70 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:13:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53C82056.3010401@chroot.pl> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:13:26 +0200 From: Lukasz User-Agent: WebMail MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <53C70783.90105@com.jkkn.dk> In-Reply-To: <53C70783.90105@com.jkkn.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_50,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.apsz.com.pl X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at mail.apsz.com.pl X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:19:54 -0000 +1 On 07/17/2014 01:15 AM, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been encouraged by people on the pf-mailinglist to move this > discussion to the current mailinglist since this may be an area in the > OS where FreeBSD need to focus on next. > > First of all I am a happy user of the pf-firewall module and have been > for years and think it is really great - the trouble is that lately > (since 2008) its getting a bit dusty. > > The last few years it seem that pf in FreeBSD got a long way away from > pf in OpenBSD where it originated > - also looking at the ipfilter (ipf) and ipfw - they both to me do not > seem to be as complete as pf. > > So I am curious if any on the mailing could elaborate about what the > future of pf in FreeBSD is or should be. > > a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? > > b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is > following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? > > c) We never got the new syntax from OpenBSD 4.7's pf - at the time a > long discussion on the pf-mailing list flamed the new syntax saying it > would cause FreeBSD administrators too much headache. Today on the list > it seems everyone wants it - so would we rather stay on a dead branch > than keep up with the main stream? > > d) Anyone working on bringing FreeBSD up to pf 5.6? - seem dead on the > pf-list. > > e) OpenBSD is retiring ALTQ entirely - any thoughts on that? > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140419151959 > > f) IPv6 support?- it seem to be more and more challenged in the current > version of pf in FreeBSD and I am (as well as others) introducing more > and more IPv6 in networks. > E.x. Bugs #179392, #172648, #130381, #127920 and more seriously #124933, > which is the bug on not handling IPv6 fragments which have been open > since 2008 and where the workaround is necessity to leave an completely > open hole in your firewall ruleset to allow all fragments. According to > comment in the bug, this have been long gone in OpenBSD. > > g) Performance, can we live with pf-performance that compared to OpenBSD > is slower by a factor of 3 or 4, even after the multi-core support in > FreeBSD 10? > (Henning Brauer noted that in this talk at > http://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/talks/1488/ (at 33:18 and > 36:53)) - credit/Jim Thompson > > h) Bringing back patches from pfSense? > > And my most important question: > > * Should this or could this be a project for the foundation to either do > a summer project or funded project to bring this part of the OS up to date? > > > Hope to hear from you all, > > Best regards, > > Kristian Kræmmer Nielsen, > Odense, Denmark > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 19:20:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61FFED78 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iprslrsmtp2msp.cpwnetworks.com (rslrsmtp2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D4F2784 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:20:09 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAIchyFM+GID9/2dsb2JhbABZg2BXgniqIAEBAQUBbpVUIQyGblMBgR12hAQBAQEDAQEBIA8BBRYgChELGAICBRMDCwICCQMCAQIBDwYBCSYOBQIEAQEBARkEiA0DFQmuLY92DYccF4EshE+HI4FACxACAVYWgmKBTgEEmDNsg0yFSIZ8hhyDRWsBAQEBAw X-IPAS-Result: AosFAIchyFM+GID9/2dsb2JhbABZg2BXgniqIAEBAQUBbpVUIQyGblMBgR12hAQBAQEDAQEBIA8BBRYgChELGAICBRMDCwICCQMCAQIBDwYBCSYOBQIEAQEBARkEiA0DFQmuLY92DYccF4EshE+HI4FACxACAVYWgmKBTgEEmDNsg0yFSIZ8hhyDRWsBAQEBAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,679,1400022000"; d="scan'208";a="484540620" Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net (HELO rslr-smtp-1.cpwnetworks.com) ([62.24.128.253]) by iprslrsmtp2msp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2014 20:20:02 +0100 Received: from [92.27.146.104] (helo=imac.local) by rslr-smtp-1.cpwnetworks.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1X7rDl-0000is-W4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:20:02 +0100 Message-ID: <53C821DC.2040000@rakupottery.org.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:19:56 +0100 From: Martin Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Libpng & boehm-gc-7.2e References: <1405542972.24492039@f2.my.com> In-Reply-To: <1405542972.24492039@f2.my.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:20:11 -0000 On 16/07/2014 21:36, emperor.cu@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > > I'm using freebsd 10.0 and when i try with fresh install the first package to use enlightenment from ports fbsd start to get everythings dependency as need that's ok > But > When try to get libpng he try to get from sourceforge repositories and none results after that jump to freebsd ftp repository and say not found so i do thinking un old version a portsnap fetch and portsnap update if was change the version and nothing , not exist so can't finish make clean install of enlightenment I ran into that one with libpng when building phpmyadmin and ended up downloading it from heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/libpng15/older-releases also hit it with cmake which I picked up from distfiles.icmpv6.org also trying to build ntfs-3g it failed because it was looking for the 2012 version which does not seem to be on the tuxera site, though I would be glad to be correcred. This was just a couple of days ago. > > Please any idea? I got the same error trying to get one dependency of port "git" called boehm-7.2e > > Regards > > -- > Antonio Peña > Secure email with PGP 0x8B021001 available at http://pgp.mit.edu > Fingerprint: 74E6 2974 B090 366D CE71 7BB2 6476 FA09 8B02 1001 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 19:26:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D75A8EE7 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22a.google.com (mail-qa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9790D285A for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id j15so2286118qaq.29 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:26:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OkLNqb+JuQOBMkeMIFu+zPP5M1r3tcOIXfRAypqsgAY=; b=OluoG1nrWeVZ0FKmd0vF3pxIKLrhEe4rPIAcgvfgQvENotwy25cSNdWKTifLYQqZY+ h2SLI/MYLisiyb/u0jM+EedtwFzGS1lTErr1rYVtPE09s38XkpwJPCqRti2LEad9EBzK ubDRiWE2MUo3s8+g+DaGWehLZPwHpzPMgoJ9ohIwbR8W0Yi0+08aL7xYwZigido9Jl/8 P5vagB3jdBNo6FldUaH4Rkv3qzMSmn4DNQTLtFiVc51hiadzaBUGO2b9NvP5k+/zq6Xg RDzWNvVFLWB6lFPooTM7+FaeJ27TelWeC3oZT2i27vWc/pqaVk6Thy7hZsSW4rzgRD8S jcqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.71.198 with SMTP id i6mr60581607qaj.76.1405625193756; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.202.193 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:26:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C82056.3010401@chroot.pl> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <53C70783.90105@com.jkkn.dk> <53C82056.3010401@chroot.pl> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:26:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Jj6lSDaHZsknHQRfRzpebc6yHvs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Adrian Chadd To: Lukasz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:26:34 -0000 Hi, There's a large set of patches from pfsense. Some (like re-adding if_start methods to things to make ALTQ work) can't be merged back. Others (like teaching the stack about 802.1p) should be merged back. What's missing is someone who wants to grab those patches, figure out what can be put into FreeBSD-HEAD and merged back into FreeBSD-10, and doing it. pfsense have done an enormous amount of work already in getting their diffs into an easily digestable format. Someone from the community just needs to stand up and take ownership of that. So: https://github.com/Podilarius/pfsense-tools/tree/master/patches/stable/10 If the patches are good and are tested by a variety of people, I'm happy to commit them to -HEAD. So, start with this one? https://github.com/Podilarius/pfsense-tools/blob/master/patches/stable/10/p= f_802.1p.diff -a On 17 July 2014 12:13, Lukasz wrote: > +1 > > On 07/17/2014 01:15 AM, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have been encouraged by people on the pf-mailinglist to move this >> discussion to the current mailinglist since this may be an area in the >> OS where FreeBSD need to focus on next. >> >> First of all I am a happy user of the pf-firewall module and have been >> for years and think it is really great - the trouble is that lately >> (since 2008) its getting a bit dusty. >> >> The last few years it seem that pf in FreeBSD got a long way away from >> pf in OpenBSD where it originated >> - also looking at the ipfilter (ipf) and ipfw - they both to me do not >> seem to be as complete as pf. >> >> So I am curious if any on the mailing could elaborate about what the >> future of pf in FreeBSD is or should be. >> >> a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? >> >> b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is >> following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? >> >> c) We never got the new syntax from OpenBSD 4.7's pf - at the time a >> long discussion on the pf-mailing list flamed the new syntax saying it >> would cause FreeBSD administrators too much headache. Today on the list >> it seems everyone wants it - so would we rather stay on a dead branch >> than keep up with the main stream? >> >> d) Anyone working on bringing FreeBSD up to pf 5.6? - seem dead on the >> pf-list. >> >> e) OpenBSD is retiring ALTQ entirely - any thoughts on that? >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=3Darticle&sid=3D20140419151959 >> >> f) IPv6 support?- it seem to be more and more challenged in the current >> version of pf in FreeBSD and I am (as well as others) introducing more >> and more IPv6 in networks. >> E.x. Bugs #179392, #172648, #130381, #127920 and more seriously #124933, >> which is the bug on not handling IPv6 fragments which have been open >> since 2008 and where the workaround is necessity to leave an completely >> open hole in your firewall ruleset to allow all fragments. According to >> comment in the bug, this have been long gone in OpenBSD. >> >> g) Performance, can we live with pf-performance that compared to OpenBSD >> is slower by a factor of 3 or 4, even after the multi-core support in >> FreeBSD 10? >> (Henning Brauer noted that in this talk at >> http://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/talks/1488/ (at 33:18 and >> 36:53)) - credit/Jim Thompson >> >> h) Bringing back patches from pfSense? >> >> And my most important question: >> >> * Should this or could this be a project for the foundation to either do >> a summer project or funded project to bring this part of the OS up to da= te? >> >> >> Hope to hear from you all, >> >> Best regards, >> >> Kristian Kr=C3=A6mmer Nielsen, >> Odense, Denmark >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 19:56:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B24D6753 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22e.google.com (mail-pd0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 864802AF1 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id fp1so3681470pdb.5 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=w4yGPjKNeTFi0FJ8oM+o6qrw7yk3hvez3zRKy6Wvbaw=; b=I3+rz5PBQc5utboHAPC7Z6p5rzkqiVpX9ZBFgw1Y2U3K6sw0cx+BA/0C6nVAx/RdNH MOkwWNUNT9ehQV+yd+w+Mrk5NwGwNWVTmEQj/LGSWEipvcKZJjJ6q15ENEq+BEKfshZK KLettXkkZqXo5eSmkx85/n8luG4s3sP4yMECkmmKVz5FGh3CmA87tjiy4Mc5/ehILyMw iCDWr8iczCbEAK/EIcUIA3OQrFZb22GlS5MtPA5i1e5QuZbbRLCkhmt2NcDrv2ED/Utn yQDrxsjiwVp79tVOs2S6C3ptk6H24bQaqljYenNH+XWsUUwIdoxisjLSNUhyvI36eGtg WdiA== X-Received: by 10.66.191.9 with SMTP id gu9mr39573333pac.27.1405626988550; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.21] (123-100-93-24.dynamic.dsl.netguardian.co.nz. [123.100.93.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ue3sm3343213pbc.49.2014.07.17.12.56.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Woolerton Subject: Compiling clang33 port on arm - LibraryDependencies.inc required Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:56:22 +1200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:56:29 -0000 Hi everyone, I'm running 10.0-STABLE (r268038) on a Raspberry Pi, and trying to = install the clang33 package. Compilation of the llvm33 port is crashing as shown below. I'm hoping someone can give me a hand to get the crash resolved. In = particular, why is LibraryDependencies.inc not built... Note: I googled and found that this issue can occur if python v2 is not = available. Python27 is installed on this system but no "python" binary, = and so I symlinked python27 to python in /usr/local/bin, but still the = same fault.=20 Thank you Stephen -------------------- ... llvm-build: error: invalid native target: 'armv6' (not in project) llvm[3]: Linking Release Shared Library libLLVM-3.3.so gmake[3]: Leaving directory = `/usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src/tools/llvm-shlib' gmake[3]: Entering directory = `/usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src/tools/llvm-config' llvm[3]: Constructing LLVMBuild project information. Usage: llvm-build [options] llvm-build: error: invalid native target: 'armv6' (not in project) llvm[3]: Building llvm-config BuildVariables.inc file. llvm[3]: Compiling llvm-config.cpp for Release build llvm-config.cpp:45:10: fatal error: 'LibraryDependencies.inc' file not = found #include "LibraryDependencies.inc" ^ 1 error generated. rm: = /usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src/tools/llvm-config/Release/llvm-c= onfig.d.tmp: No such file or directory gmake[3]: *** = [/usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src/tools/llvm-config/Release/llvm-= config.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory = `/usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src/tools/llvm-config' gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/llvm33/work/llvm-3.3.src' =3D=3D=3D> Compilation failed unexpectedly. 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What's the output of sysctl dev.cpu.0 ? Maybe the frequency setting stuff is broken? I remember some work with this earlier this year. -a On 17 July 2014 09:50, Charlie wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running 10.0-RELEASE on my Lenovo X201 laptop. One of the major > usability features of any operating system on a laptop is the ability to > suspend/resume to/from sleep. I feel FreeBSD lags behind significantly in > this area, but I really wanted it to work, so I specifically bought this > X201 based on reports of people having success. > > I had success, too, for a short time. After compiling a custom kernel to > exclude VESA support from the kernel, suspend/resume worked perfectly on > 10.0-RELEASE-p6. > > Now that I've upgraded to 10.0-RELEASE-p7, it no longer works well. It still > goes to sleep, and it still wakes up; however, after it is awoken, the GUI > is incredibly sluggish to the point that it is nearly unusable. For example, > if one drags a window across the screen to relocate it, the window's > movement lags behind the mouse position by many seconds. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction to remedy this situation so it > works as it did at patch level 6? What changed that would cause this > behavior? > > I really appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Thanks so much! > > Charlie > > cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 20:58:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AE4DCAA for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filtteri1.pp.htv.fi (filtteri1.pp.htv.fi [213.243.153.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F20B20DB for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filtteri1.pp.htv.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF2E21BA18; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:49:00 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pp.htv.fi Received: from smtp5.welho.com ([213.243.153.39]) by localhost (filtteri1.pp.htv.fi [213.243.153.184]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vN5Tpe+4aX92; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from zero.my.domain (84-253-212-51.bb.dnainternet.fi [84.253.212.51]) by smtp5.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15D95BC005; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from thunderbolt.my.domain (thunderbolt.my.domain [10.192.168.30]) by zero.my.domain (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6HKmrUU060690; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ekarkkai@pp.htv.fi) Received: from thunderbolt.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6HKmrRW094715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ejk@thunderbolt.my.domain) Received: (from ejk@localhost) by thunderbolt.my.domain (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id s6HKmrho094714; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ejk) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:52 +0300 From: Esa Karkkainen To: Charlie Subject: Re: pf causing boot delay Message-ID: <20140717204852.GA94533@pp.htv.fi> Mail-Followup-To: Esa Karkkainen , Charlie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:58:52 -0000 On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 04:54:47PM +0000, Charlie wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > I'm having an interesting issue with pf on my laptop machine. After > enabling pf by adding pf_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf and using the > simplest ruleset possible in /etc/pf.conf, my machine takes an added 60 or > more seconds to boot up. For me 60 second timeout indicates something might wrong with DNS setup, so my guess would be that you are not allowing DNS queries or answers through pf. Esa -- "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams 1952 - 2001 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 21:52:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9476A850 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B3762586 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9AD8473C for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h3lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 97420-06 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4106684556 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: freebsd@fongaboo.com X-X-Sender: fongaboo@helix.wtfayla.net To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: What is LDNS? Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:52:36 -0000 Is LDNS an alternative *authoritative* name server? If so, any good tutorials out there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- shot through the heart ooh baby do you know what that's worth and you're to blame ooh heaven is a place on earth darling you give love they say in heaven love comes first a bad name we'll make heaven a place on earth ORBITAL "Halcyon Live" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 22:34:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3C934FC for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell.gmplib.org (servus.gmplib.org [193.10.5.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCED228DD for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by shell.gmplib.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DC83B17478; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:24:00 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Bug report From: tg@gmplib.org (=?utf-8?Q?Torbj=C3=B6rn?= Granlund) Sender: tg@gmplib.org Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:24:00 +0200 Message-ID: <867g3bvd33.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:34:04 -0000 I was about to file another FreeBSD bug report, but alas, this is no longer possible without an "account". I cannot cope with registering "accounts" for every possible piece of software where I struggle with bugs. I try sending it here instead. If it is ignored, too bad. (It would then be in good company of many other FreeBSD bug reports.) This bug prevents current GMP to be compiled on i386 FreeBSD systems. Problem: Compiler ICE Release 9.2 and 9.3 (at least) Test case (foo.c): typedef unsigned long int limb_t; typedef limb_t *ptr; typedef long int size_t; limb_t sub_1 (ptr, ptr, size_t, limb_t); void *alloc (size_t); void foo (ptr rp, ptr up, size_t un) { __builtin_expect (un <=3D 0x7f00, 1) ? __builtin_alloca (un) : alloc (un); if (__builtin_clzl (up[un]) + 1) { sub_1 (rp, up, un, 1); while (un > 0) { if (rp[un - 1] !=3D 0) break; (un)--; } } } How-to-repeat: /usr/bin/gcc -m32 -O2 -march=3Damdfam10 foo.c Result: bug-fbsdgcc.c: In function 'foo': bug-fbsdgcc.c:22: internal compiler error: in memory_address_length, at c= onfig/i386/i386.c:13897 Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. See for instructions. (I do not report this to the gcc folks in spite of being urged since this gcc apparently was hacked by fbsd.) Torbj=C3=B6rn Please encrypt, key id 0xC8601622 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 22:59:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01464980 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E1E2A8B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.10.18] (186.211.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.211.186]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACC962CDB6; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:51:33 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Bug report From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: <867g3bvd33.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:51:32 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27C0CC10-FCBB-4412-890E-C94DACF60E58@exonetric.com> References: <867g3bvd33.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> To: =?windows-1252?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Granlund?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:59:14 -0000 On 17 Jul 2014, at 23:24, Torbj=F6rn Granlund wrote: >=20 > Result: > bug-fbsdgcc.c: In function 'foo': > bug-fbsdgcc.c:22: internal compiler error: in memory_address_length, = at config/i386/i386.c:13897 > Please submit a full bug report, > with preprocessed source if appropriate. > See for instructions. >=20 > (I do not report this to the gcc folks in spite of being urged since > this gcc apparently was hacked by fbsd.) Thanks for the very specific and detailed bug report. I=92m sure the = FreeBSD teams would like to know (although even this list is probably = not quite right either) about such a curious bug, I don=92t think there = would be any harm in reporting this to the gcc team. They can choose to = disregard it if they like, but you=92re taking that decision out of = their hands if you don=92t report it. - Mark= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 03:12:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFD49C81 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "SDF.ORG" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE2502E4E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (IDENT:cwr@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.9]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6I3BfPR017076 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:11:43 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:11:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Charlie X-X-Sender: cwr@faeroes.freeshell.org To: Esa Karkkainen Subject: Re: pf causing boot delay In-Reply-To: <20140717204852.GA94533@pp.htv.fi> Message-ID: References: <20140717204852.GA94533@pp.htv.fi> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 03:12:16 -0000 Hi Esa, Thanks for the reply. My pf.conf contains the following: block in all pass out all keep state Thanks, Charlie On Thu, 17 Jul 2014, Esa Karkkainen wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:48:52 +0300 > From: Esa Karkkainen > To: Charlie > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: pf causing boot delay > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 04:54:47PM +0000, Charlie wrote: >> Hi all, > > Hi, > >> I'm having an interesting issue with pf on my laptop machine. After >> enabling pf by adding pf_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf and using the >> simplest ruleset possible in /etc/pf.conf, my machine takes an added 60 or >> more seconds to boot up. > > For me 60 second timeout indicates something might wrong with DNS setup, > so my guess would be that you are not allowing DNS queries or answers > through pf. > > Esa > > -- > "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of > people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." > -- Douglas Adams 1952 - 2001 > cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 04:47:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB0BF78C for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 413F12524 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hi2so190137wib.5 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=s7TQs8U0vLmtEt37JPxfX1JnvtHEZLd9m4/iY9ykcX4=; b=ddI1+FdyShhpfmd0kfCKvs9GgEFzayHWtTh1E2U/JeLFiyFmHccru3xzNuGCLNWz0s kSEJTDQSv5GVqVqEhN2+0eosIQb/mf0ixCGzPDK7oayZ5n8WkKqdwBHWsjb0S7pF5xcu h/fVHhhYfqXjymem8eeuDlxL1/eqGaVNR2zRSYgjvMxdxvc1iCNnjrk5KQ9RCKmQv1gJ xdIgyPie64+dEomz6H7AgEonixQKALzS75TB58GSdT0wPHkjDIo0sE4rVum6IwVBZDPO taz+Z9B0Wy+0XLXi7CosRcNsMHYDanAemrUHks2aTDrIrrBo33ncadVLUTn03qGxlKHw 87fQ== X-Received: by 10.194.90.7 with SMTP id bs7mr2522211wjb.25.1405658861523; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (catv-89-132-121-26.catv.broadband.hu. [89.132.121.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 20sm11158700wjt.42.2014.07.17.21.47.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:47:37 +0200 From: Tamas Szakaly To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suspend/Resume on 10-RELEASE-p7 Message-ID: <20140718044737.GA53824@pamparam.chello.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22.1 (2013-10-16) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:47:43 -0000 On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 04:50:54PM +0000, Charlie wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running 10.0-RELEASE on my Lenovo X201 laptop. One of the major > usability features of any operating system on a laptop is the ability to > suspend/resume to/from sleep. I feel FreeBSD lags behind significantly in > this area, but I really wanted it to work, so I specifically bought this > X201 based on reports of people having success. > > I had success, too, for a short time. After compiling a custom kernel to > exclude VESA support from the kernel, suspend/resume worked perfectly on > 10.0-RELEASE-p6. > > Now that I've upgraded to 10.0-RELEASE-p7, it no longer works well. It still > goes to sleep, and it still wakes up; however, after it is awoken, the GUI > is incredibly sluggish to the point that it is nearly unusable. For example, > if one drags a window across the screen to relocate it, the window's > movement lags behind the mouse position by many seconds. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction to remedy this situation so it > works as it did at patch level 6? What changed that would cause this > behavior? > > I really appreciate any help anyone can offer. > > Thanks so much! > > Charlie > > cwr@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi, Does your Xorg log contains "Failed to submit batch buffer, expect rendering corruption: Device busy" messages after a suspend/resume cycle? I was also experiencing this sluggishness a while back on 10.0-STABLE, and found this little patch for xf86-video-intel: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2013-October/013727.html It's ugly, but it works for me. 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Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4352895 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6I5B5CM035821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 Message-Id: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:11:07 -0700 To: "questions@freebsd.org FreeBSD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:34:18 -0000 I have a system that has been running 9.2. To get it to 9.3 I did the = usual freebsd-update approach. Everything appeared to go fine. When = the process completed, uname -a showed 9.3. Since I need a custom = kernel for this system and src is on the system, I then went and did a = buildworld and buildkernel. After booting the new kernel, uname -a now = shows 9.2 P10. I know that there were updates to the src files since = freebsd-update listed a bunch of them and the previous kernel was = 9.2-P8. So, what system do I have? Is this an issue with the version = not showing correctly, or did the src directory not get updated = properly?= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 05:59:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69829490 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1blp0183.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E457C2A96 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] (2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208) by CY1PR0301MB0842.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.985.8; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:58:58 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> In-Reply-To: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] X-ClientProxiedBy: BY2PR03CA074.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.47) To CY1PR0301MB0842.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.148) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 02760F0D1C X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(189002)(24454002)(199002)(74502001)(47776003)(101416001)(54356999)(79102001)(42186005)(33656002)(81342001)(21056001)(87976001)(65956001)(4396001)(50466002)(85306003)(81542001)(83322001)(31966008)(64706001)(75432001)(87266999)(76176999)(20776003)(110136001)(106356001)(74662001)(88552001)(46102001)(105586002)(85852003)(92566001)(80022001)(89122001)(77982001)(65816999)(23676002)(77096002)(76482001)(102836001)(83072002)(59896001)(50986999)(86362001)(95666004)(65806001)(92726001)(99396002)(83506001)(107886001)(107046002)(2351001)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0842; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:59:14 -0000 On 2014.07.18 00:11, Doug Hardie wrote: > I have a system that has been running 9.2. To get it to 9.3 I did the usual freebsd-update approach. Everything appeared to go fine. When the process completed, uname -a showed 9.3. Since I need a custom kernel for this system and src is on the system, I then went and did a buildworld and buildkernel. After booting the new kernel, uname -a now shows 9.2 P10. I know that there were updates to the src files since freebsd-update listed a bunch of them and the previous kernel was 9.2-P8. So, what system do I have? Is this an issue with the version not showing correctly, or did the src directory not get updated properly? /usr/src still had 9.2 (and BTW, building world is not necessary for a custom kernel). I'm not surprised that freebsd-update didn't update source to 9.3 since it's on a different branch, but it sounds like freebsd-update updated source to the latest version of RELENG for 9.2 even though you told it to update to 9.3. If that is the case, it's a bug and you should file a PR. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 06:55:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D84CBD33 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E1512ECF for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e16so2548767lan.31 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:55:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:message-id:date:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=MAIooODvOOqb3CwHOHc0R6qqU5dKMUMqqFobMHv9+DY=; b=iIGgxb7+BJUviYvq2tVLnBO7qfndpsjkNiSTvr8rrHBH4InWv40zNXalBx37Xpoc28 3h6oYXMafLzu/h8NG8wh5zoHPbj9DkdA8j377KRm6XzaSL0kmT8gphpAWAapA9gQmTJ6 QDN9VwrPrXwC1nXYyDiLgMHSUihLOxBKy5rxs4+hmKaj82SegzzQD01tLG/vhN32Ox5x 8tAM/gRwlLkMi+S7Ub99k/VXsRWNeTFMsvxDbdz1sqmPmBL2o1TYvLy+AdMmGYQfoGYT pgkTLoeFGzfVhjg2KbMnvOGfmbyRusMcXR8eGLIfgVF2bEqtLmR3CGgPGqcBccfgKbrs ywoQ== X-Received: by 10.112.139.167 with SMTP id qz7mr2331271lbb.22.1405666513813; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Leslies-MacBook-Pro.local (c-195-216-044-136.ekt.thalamus.net. [195.216.44.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm7671784lbj.1.2014.07.17.23.55.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Jensen X-Google-Original-From: Leslie Jensen Message-ID: <53C8C4CE.4090304@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:55:10 +0200 Reply-To: jensen.leslie@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Installing a binary package Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:55:17 -0000 I'm on a small machine with 256Mb memory and 1 Gb of swap space. Compiling clang33 gives me failures and stop, out of swap space. I got the advise to install clang33 as a binary packet and there my problems began :-) Following instructions found via Google: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.pkg/44 save the following as /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf: FreeBSD: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest ", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } You'll also need to save this as /usr/share/keys/pkg/trusted/pkg.freebsd.org.2013102301 function: "sha256" fingerprint: "b0170035af3acc5f3f3ae1859dc717101b4e6c1d0a794ad554928ca0cbb2f438" And also https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44499 | cd /usr/src/share/keys && make && make install | I've created /usr/src/share and /usr/src/share/keys as they did not exist. Of course there's nothing to make! What do I need to proceed? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:09:11 -0000 - =C2=A0 =C2=A0 View in web browser =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ABICONOL Up to one in 10 = people will have a wart at some point in their life, most commonly in child= hood or adolescence. Warts and verrucas are usually harmless and go away by= themselves, with up to nine in 10 disappearing within two years in childre= n but often taking longer in adults. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [continue...] =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What is a wart ? Definition Warts are small, benign growt= hs caused by a viral infection of the skin or mucous membrane. The virus in= fects the surface layer. 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Warts are not cancerous but some strains = of HPV, usually not associated with warts, have been linked with... =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 [continue...] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mailing address: Abiconol Cosm, A= ustralia, Sydney, 234 McConnel str., office 231, Sydney, Sydney, 2000, Aust= ralia Unsubscribe from future emails.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 08:11:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2117F296; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x232.google.com (mail-yh0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAF3A27B4; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v1so2045286yhn.37 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:11:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XPd/wE3+ruCTYWW2TqoVwNtkg3y4evsTERaG6eWFkmM=; b=NdM+vUpjSLIZcN068v0e6vLXv3yeo4JmS0wSnbQIpzKBynceqKccrEvJ5vi7DFkJCb qlBoomMQmgr7rq67s/7up9VzotlvFhhvLHIxUFYNm4NM4jt6AR+ZEeFaA1Toz0yhtJL3 Wz3v8mj7zSUksP3JVXf2xr3eoLv11SDMUecU4U1a9L94+qFSIbm/coltzPcEYHcYm2Ep 8FqfNXqsTef4I4Tys17fNBN3BPhonTn6LZvlHXkgGfDHlJqXBnwi0vHIXgbZx+SFtvGl b5n+XUhq6s3iMwfpaEQFmqtcZsYnzDbFxCA47TC1esz/UnwLKylKHtJfamt9e6JrQBhU Ltjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.130.77 with SMTP id j53mr4781689yhi.139.1405671096853; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:11:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:11:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: "Kristian K. Nielsen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:11:38 -0000 I would like to see an updated version of pf. I realize its a big job to port it though On 17 July 2014 00:12, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been encouraged by people on the pf-mailinglist to move this > discussion to the current mailinglist since this may be an area in the OS > where FreeBSD need to focus on next. > > First of all I am a happy user of the pf-firewall module and have been fo= r > years and think it is really great - the trouble is that lately (since > 2008) its getting a bit dusty. > > The last few years it seem that pf in FreeBSD got a long way away from pf > in OpenBSD where it originated > - also looking at the ipfilter (ipf) and ipfw - they both to me do not > seem to be as complete as pf. > > So I am curious if any on the mailing could elaborate about what the > future of pf in FreeBSD is or should be. > > a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? > > b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is > following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? > > c) We never got the new syntax from OpenBSD 4.7's pf - at the time a long > discussion on the pf-mailing list flamed the new syntax saying it would > cause FreeBSD administrators too much headache. Today on the list it seem= s > everyone wants it - so would we rather stay on a dead branch than keep up > with the main stream? > > d) Anyone working on bringing FreeBSD up to pf 5.6? - seem dead on the > pf-list. > > e) OpenBSD is retiring ALTQ entirely - any thoughts on that? > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=3Darticle&sid=3D20140419151959 > > f) IPv6 support?- it seem to be more and more challenged in the current > version of pf in FreeBSD and I am (as well as others) introducing more an= d > more IPv6 in networks. > E.x. Bugs #179392, #172648, #130381, #127920 and more seriously #124933, > which is the bug on not handling IPv6 fragments which have been open sinc= e > 2008 and where the workaround is necessity to leave an completely open ho= le > in your firewall ruleset to allow all fragments. According to comment in > the bug, this have been long gone in OpenBSD. > > g) Performance, can we live with pf-performance that compared to OpenBSD > is slower by a factor of 3 or 4, even after the multi-core support in > FreeBSD 10? > (Henning Brauer noted that in this talk at http://tech.yandex.ru/events/ > yagosti/ruBSD/talks/1488/ (at 33:18 and 36:53)) - credit/Jim Thompson > > h) Bringing back patches from pfSense? > > And my most important question: > > * Should this or could this be a project for the foundation to either do = a > summer project or funded project to bring this part of the OS up to date? > > > Hope to heard from you all, > > Best regards, > > Kristian Kr=C3=A6mmer Nielsen, > Odense, Denmark > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 08:14:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A71BF350 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x230.google.com (mail-yh0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB1827D6 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i57so2026031yha.7 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:14:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qmmcl+uUnn/cX6lSzRpuiXgvAwxo/8zzgZIgKsVy/iM=; b=kQxR2VlGi9a6BFUXW5rblPrRAW8Y1AA5sKWz95HTe3ogkD85hhmzixiG0wNmcUYJIs gbVTdC/Vt5kz8vOTdekR/9znspvu3h3A7gpT6m/1kZv+BIW4iq+gcMerhSgEK8HuduvZ nU2EPZrPB6+ot339AZWJvDc1OU0odKCxq6/f3UaBKTNpfppirc6zFzAj10mppCmZf0lG FNl8nNxyEhp/AFo21hlhMTyWipbRtYe0TJISgct6k9lAlV0OJrQOVaEgtseGj7t2xwRd ZH3b5VA7VU4XPwBvdpD3va3P/7uZVPrmCRYgki+NnWroQy6pDIrredxTEK++xl7TsTFG BWAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.113.129 with SMTP id a1mr4840053yhh.127.1405671280646; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:14:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:14:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is LDNS? From: krad To: freebsd@fongaboo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:14:41 -0000 not from what i have seen its more of a toolset for dns programming. Have a look at unbound though as that is a caching resolver, with authoritative capabilities, and is built on ldns. Its also part of freebsd 10 base system On 17 July 2014 22:45, wrote: > > Is LDNS an alternative *authoritative* name server? If so, any good > tutorials out there? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > shot through the heart ooh baby do you know what that's worth > and you're to blame ooh heaven is a place on earth > darling you give love they say in heaven love comes first > a bad name we'll make heaven a place on earth > ORBITAL "Halcyon Live" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 08:40:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92C9DBFC for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6732A45 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6I8erGH040066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:40:52 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> To: Andrew Berg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:56 -0000 On 17 July 2014, at 22:58, Andrew Berg = wrote: > On 2014.07.18 00:11, Doug Hardie wrote: >> I have a system that has been running 9.2. To get it to 9.3 I did = the usual freebsd-update approach. Everything appeared to go fine. = When the process completed, uname -a showed 9.3. Since I need a custom = kernel for this system and src is on the system, I then went and did a = buildworld and buildkernel. After booting the new kernel, uname -a now = shows 9.2 P10. I know that there were updates to the src files since = freebsd-update listed a bunch of them and the previous kernel was = 9.2-P8. So, what system do I have? Is this an issue with the version = not showing correctly, or did the src directory not get updated = properly? > /usr/src still had 9.2 (and BTW, building world is not necessary for a = custom > kernel). I'm not surprised that freebsd-update didn't update source to = 9.3 > since it's on a different branch, but it sounds like freebsd-update = updated > source to the latest version of RELENG for 9.2 even though you told it = to > update to 9.3. If that is the case, it's a bug and you should file a = PR. This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to makeworld = as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. Freebsd-update = replaces the previous build with one without it. However, I did keep = the logs from both buildworld and buildkernel. Embedded in both of them = is VERSION=3D"FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE i386 902001. I seem to recall that = uname gets its info from motd which shows: FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p10 (LAFN) #0: Wed Jul 16 22:26:22 PDT 2014 That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. = kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't = know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There = must be some way to tell.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 08:48:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CDA610D for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22e.google.com (mail-yk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EED42A9D for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q9so1993156ykb.5 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:48:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=U5CcLnPG22QeVITm+YkuL/gUp71JM961VnBFb8JyOk4=; b=qAVYZc52BJaFFXxWTnyYxENwfGKh91rzhFYTSfHGt6U4VxpYHFBYEe/WkQWCB9Vk1o vAH1rc846IU1tKjDyniP92Zg4tQy4hXQYOxj3Ziql+fsLOu3gFkPNak+fuJKFU4Vcrf1 sr0R5r1Ll8DlJDWTpFOgCwNiPUAe8JDWuCS2r0JL8C2nIoI9RxsT5PoTef4gQ/Mb7Zcq CmvhMCCcGrZ3UbJNZ/9wrGuIXT1QPXo1eviXrsTLNSRjW9yla5tFGiEL2uMVNZnxWouk HUcz5Eg+5PhEbCAf9dFr3oiwAYigPCJKtTJYePCuLdpk4OEYuT8cWjr7+7Cr55BlLZ3H Z4Iw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.108.147 with SMTP id q19mr5222079yhg.27.1405673304292; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:48:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:48:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: krad To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:48:25 -0000 "I don't understand why you think that. My point was that losing random files from everything can be far more disruptive than losing files from a single mountpoint." Well thats why you would use copies=1+n one each dataset that was on a single drive. That way you wouldnt lose anything. If your that worried about drive failures though you should be using some kind of raid. "I was really more interested in whether ZFS (with ARC) is faster than UFS with FreeBSD's own file caching. A lot of people say that putting an OS on SSD gives a significant speed-up. 16GB should be more than enough to keep the important system files in memory, so it sounds like smarter caching might be useful." If you want speed sure UFS is faster on the same machine, but thats because its doing less. In the real world I dont notice any performance penalty running zfs, but thats based on my workloads. Yes if i ran benchmarks I would see a difference, but im nowhere running at the limits of my hardware/software so its not an issue. Therefore I would rather have the extra layers of integrity that zfs supplies over ufs. I also try to base my decisions on based on fact, experiences of others and best practices. Dont get me wrong it can all go wrong with zfs, its just what are the odds compared with other file systems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 09:02:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1E6848B for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0240.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83A452BE9 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] (2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208) by CY1PR0301MB0842.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.985.8; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:40 +0000 Message-ID: <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:02:31 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> In-Reply-To: <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR0301CA0041.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.180.179) To CY1PR0301MB0842.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.148) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 02760F0D1C X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(979002)(6009001)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(74502001)(101416001)(47776003)(54356999)(42186005)(79102001)(33656002)(81342001)(87976001)(21056001)(4396001)(65956001)(50466002)(81542001)(85306003)(31966008)(83322001)(64706001)(80316001)(75432001)(64126003)(76176999)(87266999)(20776003)(110136001)(106356001)(74662001)(46102001)(105586002)(85852003)(92566001)(80022001)(89122001)(77982001)(65816999)(77096002)(23676002)(76482001)(88552001)(102836001)(59896001)(83072002)(50986999)(95666004)(65806001)(86362001)(92726001)(99396002)(107046002)(83506001)(3826002)(969003)(989001)(999001)(1009001)(1019001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0842; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208]; FPR:; MLV:ovrnspm; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:43 -0000 On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: > This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. > That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There must be some way to tell. The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to just use svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for you. Grab a completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and install it. I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update before doing so. freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you can use it. Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional since kernels have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 world would probably be fine, though). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 09:12:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FF245C4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elsa.gfuzz.de (elsa.gfuzz.de [88.198.148.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3CF2CAD for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.gfuzz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E09BE07E4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:03:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at elsa.gfuzz.de Received: from elsa.gfuzz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (elsa.gfuzz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aaFClmD5BaDj for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:03:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opdns.de (188-193-147-46-dynip.superkabel.de [188.193.147.46]) (Authenticated sender: lists@gfuzz.de) by elsa.gfuzz.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92BA7E07A8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:03:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:03:19 +0200 From: Oliver Peter To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: What is LDNS? Message-ID: <20140718090319.GA653@mail.opdns.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.32-29-pve i686 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:12:09 -0000 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 05:45:47PM -0400, freebsd@fongaboo.com wrote: >=20 > Is LDNS an alternative *authoritative* name server? If so, any good=20 > tutorials out there? http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/ldns/ What you are looking for is nsd: http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/nsd/ "NSD is an authoritative only, high performance, simple and open source name server." Migration and Setup howtos are spread over the net. =20 --=20 Oliver PETER oliver@gfuzz.de 0x456D688F --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlPI4tcACgkQ6LH/IUVtaI+eKQCgjC4lY38RZL1ra8GEbNtLw/T1 q+MAnRF2GFreoFCq5nblyRm0ksYDGkzG =adwV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 09:27:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F56E84A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 416BC2D91 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X84S1-0007O4-FC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:27:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1405675657464-5929729.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20140716132843.60e861a0@munin.walstatt.dyndns.org> References: <20140716132843.60e861a0@munin.walstatt.dyndns.org> Subject: Re: USB 2.0 webcam in virtualbox on CURRENT not working! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:27:45 -0000 You can also try merging the "CentOS 6.5 ports for FreeBSD" on github. clone the repo and merging into the ports tree is straight forward with rsync. The repo has Skype 4.2.0.13. I don't use a camera, but everything else works smoothly. https://github.com/xmj/linux-ports VBox has other problems on Current, because the virtualbox-ose-addons seems to not be recognised. Result is copy/paste, shared folders, etc are not working, while USB devices are flat-out unsupported for the time being. At least, that's what I have. Regards. ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/USB-2-0-webcam-in-virtualbox-on-CURRENT-not-working-tp5929272p5929729.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 09:34:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33DB596B for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17E622E4D for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X84YG-0007lH-6y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:34:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: printcap configuration problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:05 -0000 Hi. Cups has been borked for some time, so I must use lpd. Several problems when configuring /etc/printcap however. So far what I have: 1 HP2100tn:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ 2 :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp2100:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ 3 :if=/usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf:\ 4 :mx#0:sh: The Problems: * Line 1 fails completely with "lpr: lp: unknown printer" when using any name other than "lp". Tried: NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:\ WORKS: lp:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ WORKS: lp:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ * I need to specify below options. Placing in /etc/printcap (line 1) as lp;r=300x300;q=draft;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ :rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ results in the same "unknown printer" error. I need to either find the correct syntax for printcap or I could modify /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf, which has: #!/bin/sh CR=$'\r' /usr/bin/sed -e "s/$/${CR}/g" ## will A4 size info here work? #page_width= #page_height= #border= Printer: HP LaserJat 2100, PS-level-2 ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/printcap-configuration-problem-tp5929730.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 09:54:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB0110B for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpb.telissant.net (smtpb.telissant.net [199.233.230.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F05E2044 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from barrida.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0849327309 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:54:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpb.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by barrida.3dresearch.com (barrida.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-AO1nWeL7_1 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (pool-108-3-92-199.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [108.3.92.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpb.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4E6F27332 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doncurzio.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by doncurzio.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 58364A1E47 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:53:37 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CPU temperature reading Message-Id: <20140718055337.5f7aab7429cd3f2f454dc74d@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140717135458.6c3a58d14732798685660928@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:54:01 -0000 On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:19:44 -0400 Antoine Kallab wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Janos Dohanics > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am getting impossibly low temperature readings on a new system > > running FreeBSD 10.0-STABLE #0 r268555 amd64: > > > > # sysctl -a | grep amdtemp > > dev.amdtemp.%parent: > > dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors > > dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp > > dev.amdtemp.0.%location: > > dev.amdtemp.0.%pnpinfo: > > dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb4 > > dev.amdtemp.0.sensor_offset: 0 > > dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 17.2C > > dev.amdtemp.1.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors > > dev.amdtemp.1.%driver: amdtemp > > dev.amdtemp.1.%location: > > dev.amdtemp.1.%pnpinfo: > > dev.amdtemp.1.%parent: hostb10 > > dev.amdtemp.1.sensor_offset: 0 > > dev.amdtemp.1.core0.sensor0: 19.1C > > > > The BIOS only says CPU temp "Low". > > > > Smartctl shows 30C for hard drive temperatures. The ambient temp in > > the room is about 24C - defective CPU thermal sensors? > > > Most likely. > > Here's a temporary fix: > > Have you ever recorded your CPU temperature and load before? > > If so, compare the load averages with then and now, and set the sensor > offset, so the readings match the temperatures. I'm not sure I understand your fix: I'd monitor temps at idle and under load, and record (false) readings in both states? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 11:06:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AAE0D30; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.69.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cell.glebius.int.ru", Issuer "cell.glebius.int.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4E982657; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IB6k1w023214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:46 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s6IB6jdS023213; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: "Kristian K. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:06:55 -0000 Kristian, On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 01:12:09AM +0200, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: K> a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? No one right now. K> b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is K> following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? Following OpenBSD on features would be cool, but no bulk imports would be made again. Bulk imports produce bad quality of port, and also pf in OpenBSD has no multi thread support. K> c) We never got the new syntax from OpenBSD 4.7's pf - at the time a K> long discussion on the pf-mailing list flamed the new syntax saying it K> would cause FreeBSD administrators too much headache. Today on the list K> it seems everyone wants it - so would we rather stay on a dead branch K> than keep up with the main stream? The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they are vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of common FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and reading pf mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen happy. K> d) Anyone working on bringing FreeBSD up to pf 5.6? - seem dead on the K> pf-list. See b). K> e) OpenBSD is retiring ALTQ entirely - any thoughts on that? K> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140419151959 We have plan on retiring the interface queues entirely. So, interfaces would have only a transmit method. However, we could make it pluggable: a altq_transmit is plugged in place of standard transmit. This will keep ALTQ in system, but w/o any affect on the rest of the stack. Very much like the pfil(9) interface cleansed up the network stack from ipfw/ipfilter hooks. This needs developer power, however. K> f) IPv6 support?- it seem to be more and more challenged in the current K> version of pf in FreeBSD and I am (as well as others) introducing more K> and more IPv6 in networks. K> E.x. Bugs #179392, #172648, #130381, #127920 and more seriously #124933, K> which is the bug on not handling IPv6 fragments which have been open K> since 2008 and where the workaround is necessity to leave an completely K> open hole in your firewall ruleset to allow all fragments. According to K> comment in the bug, this have been long gone in OpenBSD. Yes. This hurts a lot of people and needs manpower to be solved. K> g) Performance, can we live with pf-performance that compared to OpenBSD K> is slower by a factor of 3 or 4, even after the multi-core support in K> FreeBSD 10? K> (Henning Brauer noted that in this talk at K> http://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/talks/1488/ (at 33:18 and K> 36:53)) - credit/Jim Thompson I was there. Henning Brauer impudently called "a lies" a fact that was carefully measured and provided with enough details (CPU, NIC, testing technique, configuration), so that anyone can reproduce and check that [1]. In next 10 seconds Henning Brauer claimed that on a single core OpenBSD is faster by a factor of 3 or 4, providing absolutely no test data. Impudently crying "Lies!" achieving approving laughter from the audience is a politian way of discussion. Uncorroborated claims, where predictions vary by 33%, is also politian tool. Henning definitely could made a carreer. Scientific way of discussion is making an experiment, publishing results and experiment details, so that anyone can reproduce. P.S. Not speaking about who cares about single core performance today? K> h) Bringing back patches from pfSense? Possible if they are useful and license permits. Again, manpower required. K> And my most important question: K> K> * Should this or could this be a project for the foundation to either do K> a summer project or funded project to bring this part of the OS up to date? First, we need a person, then we need funding. In late 2012, when I finished the pf-smp project, I was seeking for funding to continue. Couple negotiations failed. Now I lost the momentum on pf and switched to other tasks, so I am not available. [1] I mean the testing made by Olivier Cochard Labbé. https://twitter.com/ocochardlabbe/status/401349027960082432/photo/1 More details in mailing list archives, or you can request from Olivier. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 11:15:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51234FBD; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 195D12736; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x19so4367738ier.20 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:15:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xUxBeXYryHxvr7LF+eveHb6sp1n9JSjuaP/ab36oTmo=; b=SsRJRKXGDosGWTTtp02aYqNtBW2C+P7uottm3fkybArHag5ndMmfSMHTB276r8J+Tl ArXJKJf/0A0y+h3zo+i4nEOqTpoe9e8b4Cqk02Dl6C0whbA7h59gJh644SDwd7vQW9qX SwFgoe/tcdC5wc5DVQ089Q+Y+2H2s6xi0yY6Mzg0NUGuo4evfMwq4ZeQnGW8ElpjMNPH R8MUrQpMAShClMbQ2E76zuE7iC/JODM1Bvf8beV+K4Dja9VtMawTuG0eHX5HUwFg+fCS cgTCKJWs7vKjzZsHiK7P7tn/K93pzLc+CF6wNsta1mSMX1Lw1gLFyoIFIMIhlrdqmfIe QOyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.12.38 with SMTP id v6mr37937131igb.29.1405682126571; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:15:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zaboZzW78oiJ8YbNAYJ3gowh2Go Message-ID: Subject: Managing multiple repos with Portshaker/Poudriere From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:15:27 -0000 Hi all, I intend to utilize Poudriere to build binary packages for FreeBSD. The initial design includes a private git repo which tracks FreeBSD Ports (from gthub) in a pristine branch. Changes to this pristine branch are merged into another branch which, in addition to the official ports tree, includes a custom category where private ports are committed. A major advantage here is the ability to tag the repo according to OS releases. While planning the deployment of such a strategy, I happened upon a blog post[1] describing a workflow for managing this utilizing portshaker and poudriere to combine the remote freebsd ports tree with an internal private repo. The method described here is appealing as it removes the need to track freebsd-ports internally, but would I then lose the ability to tag specific commits which would be tied to OS releases? [1] http://funcptr.net/2013/12/11/building-custom-ports-with-poudriere-and-portshaker/ -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 11:41:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E5195E2 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0139.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0A6729AA for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] (2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208) by BY1PR0301MB0837.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.985.8; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: <53C9046A.7070805@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:26:34 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Managing multiple repos with Portshaker/Poudriere References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR0301CA0039.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.180.177) To BY1PR0301MB0837.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.143) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 02760F0D1C X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(199002)(24454002)(189002)(83506001)(75432001)(80316001)(20776003)(64706001)(65806001)(88552001)(92726001)(77982001)(92566001)(74662001)(59896001)(64126003)(76482001)(33656002)(83322001)(31966008)(2351001)(107886001)(80022001)(42186005)(46102001)(74502001)(65956001)(21056001)(4396001)(107046002)(102836001)(47776003)(105586002)(101416001)(81342001)(81542001)(95666004)(87266999)(76176999)(50466002)(65816999)(85852003)(99396002)(87976001)(106356001)(54356999)(83072002)(23676002)(79102001)(86362001)(85306003)(89122001)(77096002)(110136001)(50986999)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0301MB0837; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:41:55 -0000 On 2014.07.18 06:15, Rick Miller wrote: > I intend to utilize Poudriere to build binary packages for FreeBSD. The > initial design includes a private git repo which tracks FreeBSD Ports (from > gthub) in a pristine branch. Changes to this pristine branch are merged > into another branch which, in addition to the official ports tree, includes > a custom category where private ports are committed. A major advantage > here is the ability to tag the repo according to OS releases. How do you decide which release to use as a tag when there are several supported releases of FreeBSD at any given time, all of which are equally supported by the ports tree at that point in time? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 12:07:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A2A7F86 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E2212BD8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 507C53CDFF; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:06:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6IC6tQM001938; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:06:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:06:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem Message-Id: <20140718140655.27e43ebb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:05 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:34:04 -0700 (PDT), Beeblebrox wrote: > Hi. > > Cups has been borked for some time, so I must use lpd. Several problems when > configuring /etc/printcap however. So far what I have: > > 1 HP2100tn:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ > 2 :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp2100:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ > 3 :if=/usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf:\ > 4 :mx#0:sh: > > The Problems: > * Line 1 fails completely with "lpr: lp: unknown printer" when using any > name other than "lp". Tried: > NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ > NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:\ > WORKS: lp:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ > WORKS: lp:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ This sounds normal. If no printer is given, "lp" is the name that will be addressed. It is the _default_ printer name that the lp* tools refer to. If your printer is named differently, you need to specify -P according to the printcap entry. You can also define $PRINTER (for example in /etc/csh.cshrc globally) with the name of the printer. For example, I have this setting (among others): Laserjet|ljet4d;r=600x600;q=high;c=full;p=a4;m=auto:\ :rm=192.168.100.100:\ :rp=raw:\ :lp=:\ :if=/opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: It's my default printer, so I set $PRINTER to "Laserjet", and when I invoke lpr, lpq or lprm, this printer's queue will be used. For my nondefault printers, I have to use # lpq -PLaserjet-nodup for example, but I hardly do this. :-) In your case, $PRINTER would have to be set to "HP2100tn", or you use -PHP2100tn (at least for testing). > * I need to specify below options. Placing in /etc/printcap (line 1) as > lp;r=300x300;q=draft;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ > :rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ > results in the same "unknown printer" error. I need to either find the > correct syntax for printcap [...] See "man printcap" for this. > [...] or I could modify /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf, > which has: > #!/bin/sh > CR=$'\r' > /usr/bin/sed -e "s/$/${CR}/g" > > ## will A4 size info here work? > #page_width= > #page_height= > #border= > > Printer: HP LaserJat 2100, PS-level-2 A Postscript printer? Excellent, this should work without any problems. But I don't see how modifying the printer filter should help... Anyway, consult http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html for more helpful advice. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 12:07:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F714F85 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6E132BD7 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IC71hv083018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6IC71sT083015; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:05 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Beeblebrox wrote: > Hi. > > Cups has been borked for some time, so I must use lpd. Several problems when > configuring /etc/printcap however. So far what I have: > > 1 HP2100tn:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ > 2 :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp2100:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ > 3 :if=/usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf:\ > 4 :mx#0:sh: > > The Problems: > * Line 1 fails completely with "lpr: lp: unknown printer" when using any > name other than "lp". Tried: > NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ > NO: HP2100tn:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:\ > WORKS: lp:lp=9100@192.168.1.9:rm=HP2100tn:\ > WORKS: lp:rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ "lp" is the default printer name. To use another name, that name must be given to lpr with -P: lpr -PHP2100tn Multiple names can be given to a single printer, so one way to get around that is to use lp and the other name: lp|HP2100tn: > * I need to specify below options. Placing in /etc/printcap (line 1) as > lp;r=300x300;q=draft;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ These are CUPS options. Standard lpd does not understand them. > :rm=192.168.1.9:rp=RAW1:\ > results in the same "unknown printer" error. I need to either find the > correct syntax for printcap or I could modify /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf, > which has: > #!/bin/sh > CR=$'\r' > /usr/bin/sed -e "s/$/${CR}/g" > > ## will A4 size info here work? > #page_width= > #page_height= > #border= The page size does not have anything to do with the printer name. Unless you're trying to set up multiple names that do different things, which can be useful. > Printer: HP LaserJat 2100, PS-level-2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 12:11:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A976343 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.arrishq.net (deimos.phobos.ws [84.200.4.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894E12C8E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.arrishq.net (mail.arrishq.net [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: local) by mail1.arrishq.net (qmail) with ESMTPSA id 8CF719EFC0E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:09:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arrishq.net; s=default; t=1405685390; bh=YPAtAHvyvS5e2S9gMi8aPi5GTzqC92ftS9dktETg/F8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=tqmoiIAhC7Q9emkZny3nfzuoBiGcD+3Y9cHR8pTz6I/LxeGWq7xndbyqqD1eeYgy8 cQDMqrydahgAPQ/vuE7tTbJoxYXQYjU0M5RzH3iruEmBfdXZ8V/rSFZ8UU8WHp8kXf 8NcAhjQf86zADIJcppTOB/SmtqOn/pFpJaDAmEu8= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:10:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Tommy Scheunemann To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Unexplainable behaviour after upgrading from 9.1 to 10.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3874281605-194641908-1405685459=:1533" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:11:09 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3874281605-194641908-1405685459=:1533 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Hello @list, back in February this year I did an upgrade from 9.1-RELEASE to 10.0-RELEASE. Recompiled all ports (of course), using the same options as before. Also the configuration is exactly the same - both of base and ports. Still since then, and following all updates up to 10.0-RELEASE-p7, the system has increasingly way more load. Example top output: last pid: 44452; load averages: 0.57, 0.46, 0.42 up 0+02:07:00 14:02:29 75 processes: 1 running, 74 sleeping CPU: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.6% system, 0.2% interrupt, 98.9% idle Mem: 691M Active, 1803M Inact, 119M Wired, 8988K Cache, 94M Buf, 138M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 15M Used, 2033M Free The OS starts swapping out processes while there's still memory available, as example Nginx (which acts as reverse proxy), php-fpm processes and a couple of other instead of just keeping them in memory. This behaviour is the same using the GENERIC kernel as well as a self-compiled one (Xen drivers removed, unused NIC drivers, VirtIO and USB support). The hardware is of course the same as before so physically nothing changed. Short after rebooting swap isn't used, though the longer the system runs the more swap is used, up to around 900 MB e.g. by swapping MySQL. The system itself is an i386 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE, 2 GB RAM, 2 SATA drivers using a Gmirror. The attached images show the difference in the entire system behaviour, while the traffic the webserver gets, things MySQL should do, mails Postfix sends and recieves didn't changed. Just let the webserver deliver something takes of course more time, since the process seems to run from swap. Maybe interesting the sysctl.conf.local: kern.coredump=0 kern.randompid=348 security.jail.chflags_allowed=0 security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=0 security.jail.enforce_statfs=2 security.jail.set_hostname_allowed=0 security.jail.param.persist=1 security.jail.param.securelevel=3 security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 security.bsd.see_other_gids=0 net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=1 net.inet.ip.portrange.randomized=1 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 Which is the same as under 9.1 Anything else I can do to let the kernel stop swapping out processes without much need ? And of course if one needs more information, really no problem. Would just like to get this issue solved before moving along with 10.0 on the way more critical machines. 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(ip-89-177-49-222.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.177.49.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 208DF28422; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53C919D9.4030006@quip.cz> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:58:01 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff , "Kristian K. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:02:23 -0000 Gleb Smirnoff wrote, On 07/18/2014 13:06: [...] > The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they are vocal > on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of common FreeBSD > users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and reading pf mailing > list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large population of > users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen happy. I don't agree on this part. Almost every bigger project / application needs to make some uncompatible changes over time. Apache, MySQL, PHP, GNOME, KDE... or FreeBSD itself with recent changes from pkg_* to pkg(ng). Backward compatibility cannot be maintained infinitely if new features should be added. I don't see the reason why PF should be exception. And I am writing this as one who really don't need any new PF features, but I am fine with syntax change in newer FreeBSD major version. There were bigger problem with pf.conf in the past - freebsd-update deleted it and machine was unprotected after reboot. So properly announced syntax change and tutorial to conversions is not problem for me and I hope for some others too. Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:10:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CC3EB7F for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F132219E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X87vf-0003bl-NG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:10:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:10:29 -0000 Thanks guys. I had read several sources (including Warren's) when I finally broke down like a little girl and had to ask for insight. > You can also define $PRINTER (for example in /etc/csh.cshrc globally) with > the name of the printer. I had never read about this and it never ocurred to me before - thanks. As you guessed, I was not using "lpr -P hp2100" > These are CUPS options. Standard lpd does not understand them. Well a day's work wasted there... > Or apsfilter options. Hence the idea of modifying my existing /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf to define the desired printer settings, since appsfilter is a collection of filter files, AFAIK? I had already read in man printcap that one must use (in pixels) as page size. However considering that I have print/papersize-default-a4 installeed, there should be a simpler way to define it as default rather than px/py in printcap? Also, I do not find any way of defining resolution (r=), quality (q=) and orieantation (m=) in printcap, and the job ends up using the default printer settings (excluding the a4 parameter which is sent from host) - so I logically come back to the filter file... Thanks for the help. ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/printcap-configuration-problem-tp5929730p5929805.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:13:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8469FC95 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF23A2250 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s6ICw8CG068391; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:58:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:58:08 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block , Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:13:43 -0000 On 2014-07-18 14:07, Warren Block wrote: >> * I need to specify below options. Placing in /etc/printcap (line 1) as >> lp;r=300x300;q=draft;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ > > These are CUPS options. Standard lpd does not understand them. Or apsfilter options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:20:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D9C4E64 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEAA822D9 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IDKi7r001576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:20:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6IDKipd001573; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:20:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <20140718140655.27e43ebb.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <20140718140655.27e43ebb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Beeblebrox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:20:52 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Polytropon wrote: > A Postscript printer? Excellent, this should work without any > problems. But I don't see how modifying the printer filter > should help... > > Anyway, consult > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html > > for more helpful advice. :-) Thanks! Actually, filters can be used to modify the PostScript as it is printed, setting a paper size or enabling duplex printing. Here is an example: https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?&t=40651 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:22:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD29FFF7; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from umail.aei.mpg.de (umail.aei.mpg.de [194.94.224.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB7236C; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgate.aei.mpg.de (mailgate.aei.mpg.de [194.94.224.5]) by umail.aei.mpg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26FA200A42; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailgate.aei.mpg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D4D32405889; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from intranet.aei.uni-hannover.de (ahin1.aei.uni-hannover.de [130.75.117.40]) by mailgate.aei.mpg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE83406AF1; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cascade.aei.uni-hannover.de ([10.117.15.111]) by intranet.aei.uni-hannover.de (Lotus Domino Release 8.5.3FP6) with ESMTP id 2014071815125603-34207 ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:12:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:12:55 +0200 From: Gerrit =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FChn?= To: Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-Id: <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> Organization: Max Planck Gesellschaft X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on intranet/aei-hannover(Release 8.5.3FP6|November 21, 2013) at 07/18/2014 15:12:56, Serialize by Router on intranet/aei-hannover(Release 8.5.3FP6|November 21, 2013) at 07/18/2014 15:13:06, Serialize complete at 07/18/2014 15:13:06 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 6.0.2.2308539, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.7.18.130319 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report=' MULTIPLE_RCPTS 0.1, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, MIME_LOWER_CASE 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_900_999 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __URI_NO_PATH 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS ' Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:22:27 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 Gleb Smirnoff wrote about Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ?: GS> The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they are GS> vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of common GS> FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and reading pf GS> mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large GS> population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen GS> happy. I have thought about this for some time now, and I think I do not agree. I do remember quite well when OpenBSD changed from ipf to pf, and I had to come up with new rules files. Yes, this is a burden for people maintaining these systems, but if the thing is well documented and comes with benefits (like staying in sync with other developers, allowing new features etc.) I doubt that many people will really be minding this. cu Gerrit From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:26:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C14AB48D; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60AD023CA; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 142so2153746ykq.38 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QRekanTfVIbrq1lsUa0AOTLgjWcSRsdnB359qS2C9BI=; b=GVK1WXsqB8Uu3rPLDzsBkyDceV/stBjNBn6J3jNfuPTQRZscIeH0J4PT6h1M6Xs3HX z2EJSe1oxIKPt/asJl4RfvuViOaNtgFndOgeLLeuppib3Oj2VUGJ60vrcZC3GLvftcM6 N4tNTHXBWoq9xlxLkoO3Op6QMx1esKMg/DaeSViyfeu/Ar2lKOwHjo2Olv3lUBw38g/5 /xRmAg4LmF9O8Oi4oA+AWUdfG/lGXXDU7JhhHrjfgHeYj8Dy8a1WgBiR/dgho9DiX9i/ o1VEEq7mk4bhiESYQVh46KouwJBBV8E8GvIgp0b4NlH1L6FTnItL4CxcYIFvaLpY66+y +lqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.127.81 with SMTP id c57mr7348195yhi.118.1405690003337; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:26:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: Gleb Smirnoff , FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:26:44 -0000 this is also another important point. If you go onto google and search on how to do this and that under pf, you get a mix of freebsd, and openbsd stuff coming up. I havent analysed it but i think the majority of the stuff is openbsd related. THerefore I find some nice solution to my problem, only to find out a bit later I cant use it because its not supported under freebsd. This is anoying, but more importantly confuses new sysadmins and puts them off adopting pf and possibly a bsd at all. On 18 July 2014 14:12, Gerrit K=C3=BChn wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 Gleb Smirnoff > wrote about Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ?= : > > GS> The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they are > GS> vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of commo= n > GS> FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and reading p= f > GS> mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large > GS> population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen > GS> happy. > > I have thought about this for some time now, and I think I do not agree. = I > do remember quite well when OpenBSD changed from ipf to pf, and I had to > come up with new rules files. Yes, this is a burden for people maintainin= g > these systems, but if the thing is well documented and comes with benefit= s > (like staying in sync with other developers, allowing new features etc.) = I > doubt that many people will really be minding this. > > > cu > Gerrit > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:31:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0782688; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.feld.me", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F9C6240D; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 443a0443; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:31:05 -0500 (CDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=feld.me; h=mime-version :date:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:from :subject:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:sender; s=blargle2; bh=hIG 20hA2iVC6maQqf0jihHlqTpE=; b=I4JHsIAYNxDxaakj0TrmxBy1jLuCGHjwxFI WHVm3LCgG+3PwWEzOCQv9ckX3G+yJMImiNCwdu0RJzR2w/FDmHkhM5POrsPd84vU MXspgd9O2udTXDWPqN/tY8dzov7caRbgsnJ4hiknHzN91y6v314ZaZfXhyFbQX30 92KKjUmvR1yY4ZmMDRo5vy1T0qmbpGkk1udFZCBEfyKcGWHOT3fVznzwHlR8bk8S I5ZLK5naRsS77Lkr/BMclzPWv7uaprO1QThtfgiM8WOrXDkE+SPVt043YFItwCzh 4LJYJVwuTgalgAp0j5uCZb+JP02pTLVEgvrxeQmvgim9QIywwuQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=feld.me; h=mime-version:date :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:from:subject :to:cc:in-reply-to:references:sender; q=dns; s=blargle2; b=sgTAm o7qpI7+8Zzo9GCx8vll/ZasCfITBf5EjzUENNR8CKPgsI2iRXv5NUqf65xjt7sUx bIBuceD+hU2xedtvavg8lui1CpG3Q4UbOFPGl4iVRczXHv2eTbLWQVlGbJqWEOvr kCgt5gxkuNfggO7g0KJJyoLsTlPXsIWC5kwLgf3JizjrgCG+1OLLJQWRgRfQd9jL 0i9bibE8BvkPFsvRTtFI1wcXA6KUAMXzcpndEBWc/G7aCSMEp8RFxc70OzmHTzgs UOv9FzDDNjVyQzaezPosUKxY8laU38Ih3GRt9Zt/zyLJ2V4YjWiTpQAnqVLobXuT UJoHzaFjBdW1CUD6w== Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4550618f; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:31:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feld@feld.me by mail.feld.me (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpa id 1405690264-5783-5781/5/5; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8da9925f076f28b88e4d34ec0dda7dd8@mail.feld.me> X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.6.8.151 From: Mark Felder Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? To: Gleb Smirnoff , "Kristian K. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> References: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> Sender: feld@feld.me Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:14 -0000 July 18 2014 6:07 AM, "Gleb Smirnoff" wrote:=20 > Kristian, >=20 > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 01:12:09AM +0200, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: > K> a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? >=20 > No one right now. >=20 How do we fix this? Can the FreeBSD Foundation step in and provide = funding? Our most popular firewall doesn't play well with IPv6 in a time = when everyone is pushing IPv6. This is not exactly a good situation to = be in. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:32:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6401881F for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1135F2496 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IDVh1N004410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6IDVhX2004407; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Beeblebrox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:32:18 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2014-07-18 14:07, Warren Block wrote: > >>> * I need to specify below options. Placing in /etc/printcap (line 1) as >>> lp;r=300x300;q=draft;c=gray;p=a4;m=auto:\ >> >> These are CUPS options. Standard lpd does not understand them. > > Or apsfilter options. Yes. Or they could be used by a custom filter, although I've never bothered, just using single-purpose filters and setting up multiple print queues for different tasks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:33:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F828DC; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.69.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cell.glebius.int.ru", Issuer "cell.glebius.int.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D94E524BD; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IDXOM3034916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:33:24 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s6IDXOos034915; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:33:24 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:33:24 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Mark Felder Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <20140718133324.GB30415@glebius.int.ru> References: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <8da9925f076f28b88e4d34ec0dda7dd8@mail.feld.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8da9925f076f28b88e4d34ec0dda7dd8@mail.feld.me> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: "Kristian K. Nielsen" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:33:33 -0000 Mark, On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:31:04PM +0000, Mark Felder wrote: M> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 01:12:09AM +0200, Kristian K. Nielsen wrote: M> > K> a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? M> > M> > No one right now. M> > M> M> How do we fix this? Can the FreeBSD Foundation step in and provide funding? Our most popular firewall doesn't play well with IPv6 in a time when everyone is pushing IPv6. This is not exactly a good situation to be in. I can't speak for FreeBSD Foundation, but I suppose, that they can. However, first you need to find a developer, then fund him. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. 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[217.128.200.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ja9sm6927863wic.8.2014.07.18.06.46.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Eric Masson Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865A7CF473; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:46:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at interne.associated-bears.org Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org ([127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22rvgSjRcat7; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD4B5CF2E3; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:46:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Eric Masson To: Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? In-Reply-To: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> (Gleb Smirnoff's message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400") References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p8 amd64 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:46:37 +0200 Message-ID: <86a986hj9e.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "Kristian K. Nielsen" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:46:45 -0000 Gleb Smirnoff writes: Hi, > Following OpenBSD on features would be cool, but no bulk imports > would be made again. Bulk imports produce bad quality of port, > and also pf in OpenBSD has no multi thread support. Seems this is the Next Big Thing ™ that will hit OpenBSD/pf according to last conferences slides. Don't know enough about FreeBSD or OpenBSD internals to see if a straight port could be possible. Éric Masson -- AP disait à Grand Neuneu : blagues GNU en signature... Le contraire m'aurait étonné. -+- AP in : Le neuneu par l'exemple -+- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 13:58:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 247CF500; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from host64.kissl.de (host64.kissl.de [213.239.241.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A230E2705; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by host64.kissl.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E20A5A66C3; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:51:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at host64.kissl.de Received: from host64.kissl.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (host64.kissl.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCXpKAwmq2E2; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.20.10.3] (unknown [46.114.30.79]) (Authenticated sender: web104p1) by host64.kissl.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 81815A5A6189; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Franco Fichtner In-Reply-To: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:51:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6326AB9D-C19A-434B-9681-380486C037E2@lastsummer.de> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> To: "Kristian K. Nielsen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:58:07 -0000 Hi Kristian, On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:12, Kristian K. Nielsen = wrote: > a) First of all - are any actively developing pf in FreeBSD? not directly related to FreeBSD, but I was planning to bring DragonFly's pf to a new feature state. We've had a little bit of discussion over the recent DF SMP fixes on an OpenBSD mailing list, but the outcome was a tad disappointing to say the least. > b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is > following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? Yes and no. :) I still stand by my claim that SMP is the fork on the road for pf development; having three major BSDs tackling the work in some way or another (NetBSD chose npf, but that's a different story). We should merge newer features for sure, but we have to establish that the forking of pf was an inevitable process and that the custom SMP bits are not going away and need to be maintained separately/individually. > c) We never got the new syntax from OpenBSD 4.7's pf - at the time a = long discussion on the pf-mailing list flamed the new syntax saying it = would cause FreeBSD administrators too much headache. Today on the list = it seems everyone wants it - so would we rather stay on a dead branch = than keep up with the main stream? I'd say many people are comfortable with an old state of pf (silent majority), but that shouldn't keep us from catching up with newer features (and of course bugfixes). > d) Anyone working on bringing FreeBSD up to pf 5.6? - seem dead on the = pf-list. Not exactly, but I have a strong interest in this happening and am able to help. :) > e) OpenBSD is retiring ALTQ entirely - any thoughts on that? > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=3Darticle&sid=3D20140419151959 The reasoning is sound. I think the direction is good, although one probably can't rip out ALTQ just like that in FreeBSD. > f) IPv6 support?- it seem to be more and more challenged in the = current version of pf in FreeBSD and I am (as well as others) = introducing more and more IPv6 in networks. > E.x. Bugs #179392, #172648, #130381, #127920 and more seriously = #124933, which is the bug on not handling IPv6 fragments which have been = open since 2008 and where the workaround is necessity to leave an = completely open hole in your firewall ruleset to allow all fragments. = According to comment in the bug, this have been long gone in OpenBSD. Needs to be taken care of. Getting more and more important. ;) > g) Performance, can we live with pf-performance that compared to = OpenBSD is slower by a factor of 3 or 4, even after the multi-core = support in FreeBSD 10? > (Henning Brauer noted that in this talk at = http://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/talks/1488/ (at 33:18 and = 36:53)) - credit/Jim Thompson A factor 3 or 4 times is the proverbial "it's one louder". SMP scaling can reach more performance im the long run, and pf can still be tweaked to increase "atomic" performance, although the physical algorithm limits are a lot more finite than with SMP. > h) Bringing back patches from pfSense? Those patches are not available anymore since pfSense changed the visibility of the pfsense-tools.git. I would welcome to see those patches trickle back under a standard BSD license for review and inclusion when viable. But first of all, we need those patches back. Cheers, Franco= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 14:10:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADDE8F18; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E781A28D1; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id m15so3463105wgh.17 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DOQDXAKMd+eI3CTGJ6YWfp6QrWCTar53zEo1aHhXxa4=; b=rvc5OseEDGZqoxQFvQ6kojn9jSsAl4CyfWdAvCtzaHboaFyJ105nopUeH+Mkd9sKh8 csLz6FPOY9Fo6coejNDsqIOIoEVc1iUZV+E3rgrBjnworITb7weGwjv5pw0dAm42+HkY 85a1S5NNBfOBQJ3byEKk3gBKbZDESW4GFtMm5rs3VgIP5yc4jSfFqRxO48Z0ePay6zWB BtpWRwl2VOIXEQn9y7PorlZdJRhIO/xMNZPtXa0hzYAm8/iI7TsjtmOW81F4By3LwBzE fDMOEOpeJDCNhkCBWfrr6W2G7ROD4E6PizZPCdKPE624gmQXtHiRo0prIXge9yawCUgu Hpzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.76.99 with SMTP id j3mr7211235wjw.85.1405692616468; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.78.72 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.78.72 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Matt Bettinger To: krad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , FreeBSD Mailing List , =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:10:19 -0000 Back in the day we didn't have Google to ask the oracle for cut and paste answers. If the man page is accurate that should be good enough. On Jul 18, 2014 8:26 AM, "krad" wrote: > this is also another important point. If you go onto google and search on > how to do this and that under pf, you get a mix of freebsd, and openbsd > stuff coming up. I havent analysed it but i think the majority of the stu= ff > is openbsd related. THerefore I find some nice solution to my problem, on= ly > to find out a bit later I cant use it because its not supported under > freebsd. This is anoying, but more importantly confuses new sysadmins and > puts them off adopting pf and possibly a bsd at all. > > > On 18 July 2014 14:12, Gerrit K=C3=BChn wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 Gleb Smirnoff > > wrote about Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one > ?: > > > > GS> The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they ar= e > > GS> vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of > common > > GS> FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and reading > pf > > GS> mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large > > GS> population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen > > GS> happy. > > > > I have thought about this for some time now, and I think I do not agree= . > I > > do remember quite well when OpenBSD changed from ipf to pf, and I had t= o > > come up with new rules files. Yes, this is a burden for people > maintaining > > these systems, but if the thing is well documented and comes with > benefits > > (like staying in sync with other developers, allowing new features etc.= ) > I > > doubt that many people will really be minding this. > > > > > > cu > > Gerrit > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 14:34:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B800C958; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x232.google.com (mail-yh0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 597632AE0; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v1so2316208yhn.9 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=za4PRX9NODwUWP+0/7RLro07UWPcPwGQ22ZKDv9bz7I=; b=bOcLGCi90YaqCh6Jnv1HFgDN0VeSlMBh+WwGe9jASj72Z9D484i6aGdRFeS5t8Bwhu YlVV/xkf/D/GEJ4Li+2HaBEdcq2S0uJdMk3IXy0oLRSbgEZf9BzoBAvEIklWt1mTtZaU lhAifbfMVULRkJ+ruZz1RFfYPKpjoBH1EsVBFOgDgYnop1EDiFF1h9vhKB7HxEAGt5p5 BiZa6VUEI2JRlDXw0ik6HPU2nSSXATv1N+ZYl49kE774a00ciCGI1O7LnvFABfAi0VGp RKErK6917qgtAFHe3YZ6frsxC0o4jFFko8vGjPICVwFQ+8xT2aynM7cflpxrsd/w4pOg Ap+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.74.101 with SMTP id w65mr7893774yhd.103.1405694044570; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Matt Bettinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , FreeBSD Mailing List , =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:34:05 -0000 that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is reaching out. On 18 July 2014 15:10, Matt Bettinger wrote: > Back in the day we didn't have Google to ask the oracle for cut and paste > answers. If the man page is accurate that should be good enough. > On Jul 18, 2014 8:26 AM, "krad" wrote: > >> this is also another important point. If you go onto google and search o= n >> how to do this and that under pf, you get a mix of freebsd, and openbsd >> stuff coming up. I havent analysed it but i think the majority of the >> stuff >> is openbsd related. THerefore I find some nice solution to my problem, >> only >> to find out a bit later I cant use it because its not supported under >> freebsd. This is anoying, but more importantly confuses new sysadmins an= d >> puts them off adopting pf and possibly a bsd at all. >> >> >> On 18 July 2014 14:12, Gerrit K=C3=BChn wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 Gleb Smirnoff >> > wrote about Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have on= e >> ?: >> > >> > GS> The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they a= re >> > GS> vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of >> common >> > GS> FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and readin= g >> pf >> > GS> mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large >> > GS> population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen >> > GS> happy. >> > >> > I have thought about this for some time now, and I think I do not >> agree. I >> > do remember quite well when OpenBSD changed from ipf to pf, and I had = to >> > come up with new rules files. Yes, this is a burden for people >> maintaining >> > these systems, but if the thing is well documented and comes with >> benefits >> > (like staying in sync with other developers, allowing new features >> etc.) I >> > doubt that many people will really be minding this. >> > >> > >> > cu >> > Gerrit >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 14:44:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D62E9F24 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x232.google.com (mail-ig0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3A082BC8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uq10so674211igb.5 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VaOR7h7zcUsNetDUEmIrl+4yTi+Mel1mKUMA5ZJzPKQ=; b=l9vPlecjkU1hAvcB6GdQ6bxIKdLfrYBgl/6Nofg6k4CdkgOtyJM4JGOXqXUu5CZqxQ hdII95hhMjIrgXqB+3OxO1CvbUdger6wR1zjAuYCUgFPUJjN4uMfhDtRZpLVsPPsxgJs 3Iew328ot5ko8i8Jlx01+D+02Hu+G6jLHW+sHcz/7SD4C5aPOvrOo0xkmtb8I6C/uzWY At6b4leq8mM4aTLgu6hGH3iedEFmjRkKHl2YYuSbAryxAM8WDgUPYx88601rsHyEA4oI kPuJDN676LQsOMRiL4WlZQOsCl8LNGnMk5JwdRcaKxx39cREoRBg6ZQU3VZSL8s9/noC Ij4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.12.38 with SMTP id v6mr39800471igb.29.1405694673850; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.165.73 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C9046A.7070805@my.hennepintech.edu> References: <53C9046A.7070805@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:44:33 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tUl8s2dDtakz0JP8seLXhMUZ48E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Managing multiple repos with Portshaker/Poudriere From: Rick Miller To: Andrew Berg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:44:35 -0000 On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2014.07.18 06:15, Rick Miller wrote: > > I intend to utilize Poudriere to build binary packages for FreeBSD. The > > initial design includes a private git repo which tracks FreeBSD Ports > (from > > gthub) in a pristine branch. Changes to this pristine branch are merged > > into another branch which, in addition to the official ports tree, > includes > > a custom category where private ports are committed. A major advantage > > here is the ability to tag the repo according to OS releases. > How do you decide which release to use as a tag when there are several > supported releases of FreeBSD at any given time, all of which are equally > supported by the ports tree at that point in time? I failed to mention that we track the FreeBSD source internally which includes customizations. We have implemented an internal versioning scheme. The tags would be representative of the the internal versioning scheme to associate a particular commit to a particular release, similarly to how the FreeBSD project does with subversion[1]. [1] http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/ -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 15:40:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BC63760 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDFCF215E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X8AGv-0007HE-89 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Beeblebrox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> In-Reply-To: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> Subject: printcap configuration problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:40:35 -0000 Just an idea that I'd like to test if possible: Is there a way to parse a cups/ppd/*ppd file for lpd? So, for example /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf (or any "if" file) maybe I would change to #!/bin/sh sed/awk /usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP_LaserJet_2100.ppd This is to test what is br=C4=B1ken in cups - the ppd (unlikely) or cups. Regards. ----- FreeBSD-11-current_amd64_root-on-zfs_RadeonKMS -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/printcap= -configuration-problem-tp5929730p5929887.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 15:55:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24FBBC51 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C806022AB for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IFtmmN040485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6IFtmte040482; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:55:52 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Beeblebrox wrote: > Just an idea that I'd like to test if possible: > > Is there a way to parse a cups/ppd/*ppd file for lpd? So, for example > /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf (or any "if" file) maybe I would change to > > #!/bin/sh > sed/awk /usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP_LaserJet_2100.ppd > > This is to test what is br?ken in cups - the ppd (unlikely) or cups. Technically, sure. A program can check the PPD for printer features, then enable or configure those features according to settings in printcap or other files. That is one of the things that CUPS does. In practice, it may be somewhat involved. Unless you change models of printers frequently, it is probably easier to just manually set up the filter to do what is desired. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 16:12:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2798A1EB for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0142.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4B752467 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] (2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208) by CY1PR0301MB0841.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.985.8; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:12:35 +0000 Message-ID: <53C9476B.2030704@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:12:27 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Miller Subject: Re: Managing multiple repos with Portshaker/Poudriere References: <53C9046A.7070805@my.hennepintech.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208] X-ClientProxiedBy: BY2PR03CA065.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.38) To CY1PR0301MB0841.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.163.147) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 02760F0D1C X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(51704005)(50466002)(80316001)(64126003)(102836001)(83506001)(23676002)(65956001)(110136001)(77982001)(59896001)(42186005)(21056001)(46102001)(74502001)(106356001)(83322001)(19580395003)(80022001)(99396002)(95666004)(15975445006)(86362001)(47776003)(105586002)(92566001)(75432001)(54356999)(88552001)(50986999)(74662001)(85306003)(65816999)(87266999)(92726001)(76482001)(83072002)(20776003)(77096002)(31966008)(79102001)(87976001)(64706001)(101416001)(33656002)(4396001)(89122001)(81542001)(81342001)(15202345003)(85852003)(76176999)(107046002)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0841; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:f50f:2579:fc6c:3208]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:12:40 -0000 On 2014.07.18 09:44, Rick Miller wrote: > I failed to mention that we track the FreeBSD source internally which includes > customizations. We have implemented an internal versioning scheme. The tags > would be representative of the the internal versioning scheme to associate a > particular commit to a particular release, similarly to how the FreeBSD project > does with subversion[1]. > > > [1] http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/ I did not know that revisions of the ports tree were tagged this way. Now I'm curious why. 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[78.86.112.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cj8sm15557711wjb.5.2014.07.18.10.04.19 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:04:16 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS Message-ID: <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:04:24 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:48:24 +0100 krad wrote: > "I don't understand why you think that. My point was that losing > random files from everything can be far more disruptive than losing > files from a single mountpoint." > > Well thats why you would use copies=1+n one each dataset that was on a > single drive. That way you wouldnt lose anything. If your that worried > about drive failures though you should be using some kind of raid. Usually the reason someone adds extra drives to a desktop is that they need extra storage. I very much doubt that many people are going to want to keep multiple copies of everything. In any case ZFS isn't guaranteed to be able to keep copies on separate drives. Drive failure is by far the most important source of data loss on Desktops, and with decent journalling (or equivalent), practically the only thing worth worrying about for most people. Data rot will occur, but it's unlikely it will make a difference to desktop data. > "I was really more interested in whether ZFS (with ARC) is faster than > UFS with FreeBSD's own file caching. A lot of people say that putting > an OS on SSD gives a significant speed-up. 16GB should be more than > enough to keep the important system files in memory, so it sounds like > smarter caching might be useful." > > If you want speed sure UFS is faster on the same machine, but thats > because its doing less. Yes, I know ZFS has overheads, but ARC is potentially better than OS caching. The question was whether, with a decent amount memory, ZFS can actually be faster than UFS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 19:08:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A8C119A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DF2B248B for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE3F84AE4; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h3lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h3lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34119-05; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [24.105.170.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h3lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6C4C84A9D; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: freebsd@fongaboo.com X-X-Sender: fongaboo@helix.wtfayla.net To: krad Subject: Re: What is LDNS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:08:43 -0000 In an earlier thread, I had been told that Unbound was resolver ONLY. On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, krad wrote: > not from what i have seen its more of a toolset for dns programming. Have a look at unbound though as that is a caching resolver, with authoritative capabilities, and > is built on ldns. Its also part of freebsd 10 base system > > > On 17 July 2014 22:45, wrote: > > Is LDNS an alternative *authoritative* name server? If so, any good tutorials out there? > > >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  shot through the heart              ooh baby do you know what that's worth >  and you're to blame                         ooh heaven is a place on earth >  darling you give love                  they say in heaven love comes first >  a bad name                              we'll make heaven a place on earth >  ORBITAL                                                     "Halcyon Live" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 19:54:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63294D3E for ; 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To: freebsd@fongaboo.com, krad In-Reply-To: References: Sender: feld@feld.me Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:36:30 -0000 July 18 2014 2:08 PM, freebsd@fongaboo.com wrote:=20 > In an earlier thread, I had been told that Unbound was resolver ONLY. >=20 You can set static records in unbound's config if you need to override = some records or provide them locally, but it's tedious and not designed = for public authoritative use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 21:37:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C4BD2A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0A221C8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6ILbOs6058902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:37:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> To: Andrew Berg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:37:28 -0000 On 18 July 2014, at 02:02, Andrew Berg = wrote: > On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: >> This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to = makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. > Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. >=20 >> That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. = kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't = know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There = must be some way to tell. > The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to = just use > svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for = you. Grab a > completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and = install it. > I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update = before doing so. >=20 > freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you can = use it. > Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional since = kernels > have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 world = would > probably be fine, though). >=20 svn doesn't work either: svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 = /usr/src The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web = repository shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD = since 2.5.4 and it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually = impossible. Complete reinstalls on production systems are just not = viable. We need a working way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 19:07:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2BF7F0B; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x234.google.com (mail-qc0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ECA8245F; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l6so3608216qcy.25 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Nfet/vFxfs6JQcVc/LTXSa7ey39A5HdV9iH0j3ECNNE=; b=zbY/uqFiiKWoxBPcc0PQ+75eW2LJ1q++9MAQeR8xEfFaUj8IbEJBJ/aayHnMqDtOib xk8wHlp4g9ssqeSMNRCPo8BU0sVfBTgcAIeICvOnK2puLb70H6QR7mawWc2PHkH8NCuZ 5Se9bpJUQLGLwdkAaipQiddQuiJ1qZP5RWlwaWNOumjL2DFDNu1fJH0vUHEWqSE8ugwO EbZVmkgruIgNTYpB/O27EVk8fify2VtqTrez9+w+6RTC/bhxpDyB1locei7tm3tSii6B pgZESysEsA6nsNs3tlfUwdsIJTt7O88rOS1Yao1IqfH3IpzNddnMDC24ycsavMApa5gL AOQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.171.197 with SMTP id i5mr11818323qaz.55.1405710439246; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.1.6 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:19 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dMA6uLl0NE2eiYRNDNBrDjhjdTQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Adrian Chadd To: krad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:59:06 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= , freebsd-current , Gleb Smirnoff , Matt Bettinger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:07:22 -0000 On 18 July 2014 07:34, krad wrote: > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is > reaching out. Then do the port and maintain it. The problem isn't the desire to keep things up to date, it's a lack of people who want that _and_ are willing/able to do it _and_ are funded somehow. So, please step up! We'll all love you for it. -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 22:53:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015B73E2 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0782896 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6IMrC26061138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:53:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> To: Andrew Berg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:15 -0000 On 18 July 2014, at 14:37, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > On 18 July 2014, at 02:02, Andrew Berg = wrote: >=20 >> On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: >>> This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to = makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. >> Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. >>=20 >>> That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. = kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't = know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There = must be some way to tell. >> The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to = just use >> svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for = you. Grab a >> completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and = install it. >> I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update = before doing so. >>=20 >> freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you = can use it. >> Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional since = kernels >> have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 world = would >> probably be fine, though). >>=20 >=20 >=20 > svn doesn't work either: >=20 > svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 = /usr/src >=20 > The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web = repository shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD = since 2.5.4 and it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually = impossible. Complete reinstalls on production systems are just not = viable. We need a working way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. I finally deleted all of /usr/src and /usr/obj and ran the above svn = checkout again. This time the UPDATING file shows the 20140716 entry. = I have started building the system again. We will see what we get this = time. Its fascinating to see that in order to upgrade you have to = delete everything and then reload it all across the internet multiple = times=85 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 23:02:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0CE776E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772A3296D for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6IN1wTJ032356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6IN1vwb032353; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:01:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 In-Reply-To: <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Andrew Berg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:02:02 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 18 July 2014, at 14:37, Doug Hardie wrote: > >> >> On 18 July 2014, at 02:02, Andrew Berg wrote: >> >>> On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>> This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. >>> Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. >>> >>>> That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There must be some way to tell. >>> The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to just use >>> svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for you. Grab a >>> completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and install it. >>> I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update before doing so. >>> >>> freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you can use it. >>> Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional since kernels >>> have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 world would >>> probably be fine, though). >>> >> >> >> svn doesn't work either: >> >> svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 /usr/src >> >> The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web repository shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD since 2.5.4 and it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually impossible. Complete reinstalls on production systems are just not viable. We need a working way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. > > > I finally deleted all of /usr/src and /usr/obj and ran the above svn > checkout again. This time the UPDATING file shows the 20140716 entry. > I have started building the system again. We will see what we get > this time. Its fascinating to see that in order to upgrade you have > to delete everything and then reload it all across the internet > multiple times? It's not necessary to delete the source every time. But /usr/src should be empty before the initial svn checkout, or there will be files in there that are unmanaged and can cause problems. The Subversion instructions mention this. (Or at least some of them do, we have a fair amount of similar sections in different chapters and sections that need to be combined.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 23:19:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D75A9C for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72E342A94 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BDF43CC79; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6INJkMA002508; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:19:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:19:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem Message-Id: <20140719011946.91061c9c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <53C919E0.6070008@bananmonarki.se> <20140718183958.1864052a@rsbsd.rsb> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Beeblebrox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:19:51 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > In practice, it may be somewhat involved. Unless you change models of > printers frequently, it is probably easier to just manually set up the > filter to do what is desired. An existing printer configuration can be used to create a new one, or a variation (for example the same printer with and without duplex, or the use of tray 2, 3 or 4 instead of the default -> different printers to the system, so it's easy to select features according to the printer name). This can be done with individual printer filters (for PS + adding features like paper format definition, duplex or tray selection; PS to PCL; PS to Splix or whatever you need) stored as individual files. The use of $PRINTER makes it easy to switch the default printer - /etc/printcap doesn't need to be modified and "rebuilt" (cap_mkdb). For example, I have those: /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-nodup.sh /opt/libexec/ps2splix.sh They correspond to "Laserjet" (default per $PRINTER), "Laserjet-nodup", and "Samsung". The really fantastic thing is that you can name the printers as you wish, representing brand, model, features, or even location. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 23:41:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CFD2F31 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE85D2CB1 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X8HmC-0000xd-3Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:20 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:20 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:40:45 -0400 Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:41:25 -0000 Doug Hardie wrote: [snip] > > > svn doesn't work either: > > svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 /usr/src Incorrect syntax, which creates a new problem that didn't exist yet. > The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web repository > shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD since 2.5.4 and > it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually impossible. Complete > reinstalls on production systems are just not viable. We need a working > way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. I have exactly zero experience with freebsd-update, and do not want to seem disparaging towards the work of someone much smarter than me. I also have a noted tendency to stick with what has worked well in the past and don't change things until either I have a really good reason or some other change makes trying "the new way" mandatory with no choice. Hence I still do upgrades along the make world/buildworld/etc dance. Generally speaking, I've been doing it this way since circa 2000 and have had almost never a problem so I stick with it. Under a populated /usr/src there is a .svn subdirectory. I actually know very little about subversion, but I think this directory contains all the internal housekeeping. I've noticed before the header in many of the files I've read through all seem to contain OS version information. If you have a populated /usr/src you can cd to /usr/src and do rm -rf * and this will wipe everything _except_ the .svn subdirectory. You will first need to chflags -R noschg on this directory before you can rm -rf it. Once wiped clean, do this: svn checkout svn://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/9.3 /usr/src Please note the svn:// , releng instead of release, and the space before /usr/src. This will pull in a fresh source tree for 9.3. To update do this: svn update /usr/src Usually running this immediately after pulling in a fresh tree does nothing, other than tell you you're already at the latest. If time goes by and security updates come out the svn update /usr/src command will pull in what once was known as the release 'security' branch. Of course, any of this only applies to NOT using freebsd-update. One of the really neat things I do like is the revision number. You will see it in uname like this: 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268715. I have one machine left that only has a CD burner instead of the DVD burner all the others enjoy. So in order to fit a backup dump on a CD I have to delete the source tree. If at some point later I should need to pull in the source tree that matches my existing kernel I look up the revision number in uname and do something like this: svn checkout -r r268715 svn://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/9.3 /usr/src Using the revision numbers in this fashion allows for world and kernel to stay in sync. Typically this is not required most of the time, but I like very much that the feature exists and is so easy to utilize. I can't speak to the original situation where the source tree was stale after freebsd-update. I simply just know next to nothing about freebsd-update, other than problems people have had with it that I've read about on the list. I've been steadily doing source based upgrades for 14 years and it works so I keep doing it that way. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 23:51:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6556E32A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010DF2D9A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 213973CC8B; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6INpnZE002613; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:51:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:51:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Beeblebrox Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem Message-Id: <20140719015149.1cb323c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:51:52 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:10:27 -0700 (PDT), Beeblebrox wrote: > > You can also define $PRINTER (for example in /etc/csh.cshrc globally) with > > the name of the printer. > I had never read about this and it never ocurred to me before - thanks. > As you guessed, I was not using "lpr -P hp2100" Just set $PRINTER and never worry again. :-) > > These are CUPS options. Standard lpd does not understand them. > Well a day's work wasted there... No, you have learned something, so it has not been wasted. > > Or apsfilter options. > Hence the idea of modifying my existing /usr/local/libexec/lf2crlf to define > the desired printer settings, since appsfilter is a collection of filter > files, AFAIK? Yes. I've been using apsfilter in the past, but it seems that it doesn't receive much more development work. On the other hand, CUPS has become _the_ standard for printing, sometimes even required as a dependency even when it's not needed at all. Programs rely on its presence much more than on the system's provided spooling and filtering interfaces, so using it often is the only chance to get "mainstream software" working, whereas other, "un-normal" software keeps working with whatever is there. > I had already read in man printcap that one must use page.plength> (in pixels) as page size. However considering that I have > print/papersize-default-a4 installeed, there should be a simpler way to > define it as default rather than px/py in printcap? Those settings should be better put into the printer filter or its configuration. This is what CUPS manages independently. But you can also do this with your own filter if it doesn't have much to do. This is an example of how I have been working (outside of CUPS), the /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh filter: #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER \ -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true \ -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 exit 2 You can see that I've been using gs (ghostscript) with the options defining the required paper size (ISO A4) and resolution (600 dpi). The printer driver used by gs is "ljet4d" which works with the HP LaserJet 4000 DN I'm still using. In most cases, it doesn't even matter which printer driver you specify as long as it's "halfway compatible" (here: works for many PCL-based printers). The printer filter (script) doesn't do much more than process the input from the application which is printing, usually PS, obtained via standard input, to become the output desired, sent to standard output. The mechanism of /etc/printcap makes sure the data arrives at the correct point (network IP or name, maybe with a specified port number, or a parallel or USB connector). Having those means separated makes troubleshooting and testing quite easy. You can use netcat (nc) to feed output directly to the printer, or > it into the /dev/whatever directly. You can examine the (intermediate) printer data or temporarily change the destination. > Also, I do not find any way of defining resolution (r=), quality (q=) and > orieantation (m=) in printcap, and the job ends up using the default printer > settings (excluding the a4 parameter which is sent from host) - so I > logically come back to the filter file... Those are usually defined _in_ or _for_ the printer filter. CUPS manages those sufficiently well. The web interface is slow to use, but if you can get used to it, changing parameters is easy. There are also configuration files located in /usr/local/etc/cups, and finally there's lpadmin. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 00:44:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE5CD1D for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AED021B9 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6J0i446057244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6J0i3Dm057241; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <20140719015149.1cb323c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> <20140719015149.1cb323c2.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Beeblebrox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:44:11 -0000 On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Polytropon wrote: > This is an example of how I have been working (outside of CUPS), > the /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh filter: > > #!/bin/sh > /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 > /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER \ > -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ > -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true \ > -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 > exit 2 > > You can see that I've been using gs (ghostscript) with the options > defining the required paper size (ISO A4) and resolution (600 dpi). > The printer driver used by gs is "ljet4d" which works with the > HP LaserJet 4000 DN I'm still using. The LJ4000 is a PostScript printer. The trick of modifying the incoming PS file to set the page size will be faster. Here, gs has to build and send a multi-megabyte bitmap. >> Also, I do not find any way of defining resolution (r=), quality (q=) and >> orieantation (m=) in printcap, and the job ends up using the default printer >> settings (excluding the a4 parameter which is sent from host) - so I >> logically come back to the filter file... > > Those are usually defined _in_ or _for_ the printer filter. CUPS > manages those sufficiently well. The web interface is slow to use, > but if you can get used to it, changing parameters is easy. There > are also configuration files located in /usr/local/etc/cups, and > finally there's lpadmin. These can also be set by having the filter modify the PostScript file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 01:14:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F89CFA5 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x230.google.com (mail-qg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D359623FA for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i50so3811443qgf.35 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OVwy4J78k2WvPcPsVQgN857MBZpIMO5PQJMu6WcZZ9s=; b=MypNzDuKzAvZXWVJcS100/6bCjeXG/pu8ZgUtvuYpZ8bKDYJeLMcUJf8KXq90kJY+X +h4cYE5EmSKu+vWAGHVMpxo1KkjYP5/a+3e3U5IugXv8Ddrl+vhKEogisIOVq3e+8mM+ /lAWapw1GneDROmryq6mnTLmbSTtgZGqDcOCWnCOal7prrz7jmuQN6IAy6DTWKBL98xA ZNkd3Eb5GksPJosOhbcHg90+ihTfSOfVMRn507F7d42yy0NWo+U+iAAoKxTK2+N4xV/p /FnurAdny3eHIna7NucQZxOaWl+G5rL7fNTHMvXHSsNcR2jjk5+sMj4h0iwA/tIL6aqk s5Yg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.171.196 with SMTP id i4mr14211594qcz.15.1405732466767; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.1.6 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:14:26 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0QIt701iGDg2cncxbsusS-aoqfE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unexplainable behaviour after upgrading from 9.1 to 10.0 From: Adrian Chadd To: Tommy Scheunemann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:14:28 -0000 hi, Try updating to stable/10; I believe alc@ fixed a bunch of VM related issues that made it into FreeBSD 10.0-REL. -a On 18 July 2014 05:10, Tommy Scheunemann wrote: > Hello @list, > > back in February this year I did an upgrade from 9.1-RELEASE to > 10.0-RELEASE. > Recompiled all ports (of course), using the same options as before. Also the > configuration is exactly the same - both of base and ports. > Still since then, and following all updates up to 10.0-RELEASE-p7, the > system has increasingly way more load. > Example top output: > > last pid: 44452; load averages: 0.57, 0.46, 0.42 > up 0+02:07:00 14:02:29 > 75 processes: 1 running, 74 sleeping > CPU: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.6% system, 0.2% interrupt, 98.9% idle > Mem: 691M Active, 1803M Inact, 119M Wired, 8988K Cache, 94M Buf, 138M Free > Swap: 2048M Total, 15M Used, 2033M Free > > The OS starts swapping out processes while there's still memory available, > as example Nginx (which acts as reverse proxy), php-fpm processes and a > couple of other instead of just keeping them in memory. > This behaviour is the same using the GENERIC kernel as well as a > self-compiled one (Xen drivers removed, unused NIC drivers, VirtIO and USB > support). > The hardware is of course the same as before so physically nothing changed. > Short after rebooting swap isn't used, though the longer the system runs the > more swap is used, up to around 900 MB e.g. by swapping MySQL. > The system itself is an i386 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE, 2 GB RAM, 2 SATA drivers > using a Gmirror. > The attached images show the difference in the entire system behaviour, > while the traffic the webserver gets, things MySQL should do, mails Postfix > sends and recieves didn't changed. > Just let the webserver deliver something takes of course more time, since > the process seems to run from swap. > Maybe interesting the sysctl.conf.local: > > kern.coredump=0 > kern.randompid=348 > > security.jail.chflags_allowed=0 > security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=0 > security.jail.enforce_statfs=2 > security.jail.set_hostname_allowed=0 > security.jail.param.persist=1 > security.jail.param.securelevel=3 > > security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 > security.bsd.see_other_gids=0 > > net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=1 > net.inet.ip.portrange.randomized=1 > net.inet.ip.random_id=1 > > Which is the same as under 9.1 > > Anything else I can do to let the kernel stop swapping out processes without > much need ? > And of course if one needs more information, really no problem. > Would just like to get this issue solved before moving along with 10.0 on > the way more critical machines. > > Thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 01:41:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E0304C6 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 087C42635 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.185]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F5DB2736A for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:41:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <53C9CCB9.9010706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:41:13 +1000 From: R Skinner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone running IBM SPSS Statistical software on FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:41:25 -0000 The joys of study.... I'm in a course that requires the use of this IBM statistics software (SPSS), and hooray for IBM - finally someone who gets the real world of computing in this day and age! :-D - they have a linux version. About time the course providers got it through their heads that Winblows is on the way out... Anyway, the specs require linux 2.6.18 and GCC 4.3 and libc++ - basically what I think might possibly run on FreeBSD (IBM seems to think so too). Just wondering about any real world use though? Any hiccups or problems? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 01:49:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F0A595 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22c.google.com (mail-vc0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1606B266F for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id im17so8849495vcb.17 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T2ovoa5zFYT79+R/PN4yERRK0YnPrNcAqGZohLst4Cw=; b=gjsXDJ8v/UJbjoRdT2+GtZeJGCImuZ4vLiZTmV9a4Mn3cICIH9l49qmvaBZh3DwVV7 cUe32HpuO8pUSzzQO+CpHjERVsTix6LaenLKJ68CaVLr9SPn6C9aggXIySEOfaY3JaqY NXAIZuNc09iAXYCUnnOrIKWlranMSQTnh7HYT8zKLi/b1lpB9nQOWz0fiaiP+2jT/Mqe VLgtTBS5IMb9q9QaUr7vyTbKz5apEPvjsVPdcFuWRijp2vG78jwv9SNnPN4LvRifiFxd slm2zjZRbC9kDpiBW8628rHHY0nXMk8gnhy+V2JQT/2wUBLhYlJoEJ3fDr/vSd0xpyvq W+mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.12.229 with SMTP id b5mr8962155vdc.52.1405734557027; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.154.76 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C9CCB9.9010706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <53C9CCB9.9010706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone running IBM SPSS Statistical software on FreeBSD? From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: R Skinner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: freebsd general questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:49:18 -0000 A few years back, I ran the windows version under wine and it worked fine. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:41 PM, R Skinner wrote: > The joys of study.... > > I'm in a course that requires the use of this IBM statistics software > (SPSS), and hooray for IBM - finally someone who gets the real world of > computing in this day and age! :-D - they have a linux version. About time > the course providers got it through their heads that Winblows is on the way > out... > > Anyway, the specs require linux 2.6.18 and GCC 4.3 and libc++ - basically > what I think might possibly run on FreeBSD (IBM seems to think so too). > Just wondering about any real world use though? Any hiccups or problems? > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 02:40:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6D6AF82; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luigi.brtsvcs.net (luigi.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:1f00::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83DA32A82; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:400:640:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) by luigi.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78F0A2D4F9F; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2280:38b:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2280:38b:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 262F9F77; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53C9DAA1.4020006@bluerosetech.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:40:33 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:40:54 -0000 On 7/18/2014 4:06 AM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > K> b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is > K> following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? > > Following OpenBSD on features would be cool, but no bulk imports > would be made again. Bulk imports produce bad quality of port, > and also pf in OpenBSD has no multi thread support. I would much rather have a slower pf that actually supports modern networking than a faster one I can't use due to showstopper flaws and missing features. There is currently no viable firewall module for FreeBSD if you want to do things like route IPv6. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 08:35:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 343374C9; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-x232.google.com (mail-oa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8C4B24F4; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g18so4796674oah.23 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9gKTRAQVc96yH3ikavmHLaOCRzH+BRJwT1ZaflNsWRk=; b=YxOuf/6FLCKE90ae2NqFBEmx7HGjxO0lUDjGgabamnZRE+s9z11ip4VnN1EOqnuBXa 0TrpUV2wvJuaWaMB0xo7QxWszWgmcXzS7Dvwm5jX7rFYG355AU7uIc2/Zg5tohEHvjx0 MjGeUjmSKMpdi7hlb8/dQIOLNmBETOtGPV8zka8YRQwwWKrWfsHNDAZlaz+dcBgl5PwI 5CU28YEORMGsJs3rUkI4dQ7/RBqeQdqBTRvQx5zeT1UwmalQxTQGFAdOzlaS0AY2xtNq yw+I/ILxZyvSsR/x/qqfiUGuHtiPy7RKXYsp+MbnVUe4z5vC2THWwIRGAGz2baIGTXH3 /lJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.70.205 with SMTP id o13mr14479771oeu.38.1405758939926; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.170.39 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:35:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C9DAA1.4020006@bluerosetech.com> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <53C9DAA1.4020006@bluerosetech.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:35:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Andreas Nilsson To: Darren Pilgrim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: Gleb Smirnoff , Mailinglists FreeBSD , Current FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:35:41 -0000 On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Darren Pilgrim < list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> wrote: > On 7/18/2014 4:06 AM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> K> b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is >> K> following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? >> >> Following OpenBSD on features would be cool, but no bulk imports >> would be made again. Bulk imports produce bad quality of port, >> and also pf in OpenBSD has no multi thread support. >> > > I would much rather have a slower pf that actually supports modern > networking than a faster one I can't use due to showstopper flaws and > missing features. > So would I. Not that we use pf, but anyway. > > There is currently no viable firewall module for FreeBSD if you want to do > things like route IPv6. Isn't that possible with ipfw? Perhaps the pf guys in OpenBSD could be convinced to start openpf and have porting layer as in openzfs. Best regards Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 09:56:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74CE169D for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE812BE6 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6J9uOx4077198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:56:23 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27F5F447-F284-4C7A-B7DE-FD9E5AEA7D5F@lafn.org> References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> To: nightrecon@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:56:41 -0000 On 18 July 2014, at 16:40, Michael Powell = wrote: > Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > [snip] >>=20 >>=20 >> svn doesn't work either: >>=20 >> svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 = /usr/src >=20 > Incorrect syntax, which creates a new problem that didn't exist yet. Thats interesting. The command I used came directly from the manual. = It also worked. There is a real problem with the documentation for = upgrading the base and ports. The typical man page structure only tells = you what the various flags are etc. It doesn't tell you how to = accomplish the normal goals. There needs to be some direction and = examples on using these things for the normal admin functions of = updating a system. >=20 >> The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web = repository >> shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD since 2.5.4 = and >> it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually impossible. = Complete >> reinstalls on production systems are just not viable. We need a = working >> way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. >=20 > I have exactly zero experience with freebsd-update, and do not want to = seem=20 > disparaging towards the work of someone much smarter than me. I also = have a=20 > noted tendency to stick with what has worked well in the past and = don't=20 > change things until either I have a really good reason or some other = change=20 > makes trying "the new way" mandatory with no choice. Hence I still do=20= > upgrades along the make world/buildworld/etc dance. Generally = speaking, I've=20 > been doing it this way since circa 2000 and have had almost never a = problem=20 > so I stick with it. >=20 > Under a populated /usr/src there is a .svn subdirectory. I actually = know=20 > very little about subversion, but I think this directory contains all = the=20 > internal housekeeping. I've noticed before the header in many of the = files=20 > I've read through all seem to contain OS version information. If you = have a=20 > populated /usr/src you can cd to /usr/src and do rm -rf * and this = will wipe=20 > everything _except_ the .svn subdirectory. You will first need to = chflags -R=20 > noschg on this directory before you can rm -rf it. There is no mention of any of that in the manual=85 >=20 > Once wiped clean, do this: >=20 > svn checkout svn://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/9.3 /usr/src >=20 > Please note the svn:// , releng instead of release, and the space = before=20 > /usr/src. This will pull in a fresh source tree for 9.3. To update do = this: >=20 > svn update /usr/src >=20 > Usually running this immediately after pulling in a fresh tree does = nothing,=20 > other than tell you you're already at the latest. If time goes by and=20= > security updates come out the svn update /usr/src command will pull in = what=20 > once was known as the release 'security' branch. Of course, any of = this only=20 > applies to NOT using freebsd-update. >=20 > One of the really neat things I do like is the revision number. You = will see=20 > it in uname like this: 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268715. I = have=20 > one machine left that only has a CD burner instead of the DVD burner = all the=20 > others enjoy. So in order to fit a backup dump on a CD I have to = delete the=20 > source tree. If at some point later I should need to pull in the = source tree=20 > that matches my existing kernel I look up the revision number in = uname and=20 > do something like this: >=20 > svn checkout -r r268715 svn://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/9.3 = =20 > /usr/src >=20 > Using the revision numbers in this fashion allows for world and kernel = to=20 > stay in sync. Typically this is not required most of the time, but I = like=20 > very much that the feature exists and is so easy to utilize. >=20 > I can't speak to the original situation where the source tree was = stale after=20 > freebsd-update. I simply just know next to nothing about = freebsd-update,=20 > other than problems people have had with it that I've read about on = the=20 > list. I've been steadily doing source based upgrades for 14 years and = it=20 > works so I keep doing it that way. :-) I have been using the freebsd-update approach on several systems without = issues till now. Some use generic kernels and then it works great. >=20 > -Mike >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 09:57:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08EB0740 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C092BFC for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6J9vmpK077208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:57:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <066C2341-F26F-4817-B681-97119FB7EB7C@lafn.org> References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Andrew Berg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:57:57 -0000 On 18 July 2014, at 16:01, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On 18 July 2014, at 14:37, Doug Hardie wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 18 July 2014, at 02:02, Andrew Berg = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>>> This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to = makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. >>>> Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. >>>>=20 >>>>> That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. = kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't = know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There = must be some way to tell. >>>> The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to = just use >>>> svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for = you. Grab a >>>> completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and = install it. >>>> I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update = before doing so. >>>>=20 >>>> freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you = can use it. >>>> Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional = since kernels >>>> have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 = world would >>>> probably be fine, though). >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> svn doesn't work either: >>>=20 >>> svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 = /usr/src >>>=20 >>> The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web = repository shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD = since 2.5.4 and it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually = impossible. Complete reinstalls on production systems are just not = viable. We need a working way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. >>=20 >>=20 >> I finally deleted all of /usr/src and /usr/obj and ran the above svn = checkout again. This time the UPDATING file shows the 20140716 entry. I = have started building the system again. We will see what we get this = time. Its fascinating to see that in order to upgrade you have to = delete everything and then reload it all across the internet multiple = times? >=20 > It's not necessary to delete the source every time. But /usr/src = should be empty before the initial svn checkout, or there will be files = in there that are unmanaged and can cause problems. The Subversion = instructions mention this. (Or at least some of them do, we have a fair = amount of similar sections in different chapters and sections that need = to be combined.) >=20 I didn't find any mention of that in the manual. 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[185.30.177.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bp9sm16849760wib.7.2014.07.19.03.13.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 03:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail by f14.my.com with local (envelope-from ) id 1X8Rdu-0007oE-Dd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:13:26 +0400 Received: from [151.47.187.219] by e-aj.my.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:13:26 +0400 From: emperor.cu@gmail.com To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9uZXN5IHZpYSBmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw==?= Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UHl0aG9uIGhlYWRlcnMg?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: My.com Mailer 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [151.47.187.219] Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:13:26 +0400 Reply-To: emperor.cu@gmail.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1405764806.759850582@f14.my.com> X-Mras: Ok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:13:30 -0000 IEhpIGhvdyBpIGluc3RhbGwgcHl0aG9uIGhlYWRlcnMgZnJvbSBwb3J0cyAsIG1hbnkgcG9ydHMg c3RvcHBlZCBjYXVzZSB0aGlzIApBbGwgc2VhcmNoIG9uIGdvb2dsZSBhcmUgd2l0aCBkYXRhIHNp bmNlIDIwMTAgb3IgMjAwOSBjYW4ndCBmb3VuZCBub3RoaW5nIGFjdHVhbGx5IGZvciBmYnNkIDEw ClRoYW54cyBpbiBhZHZhbmNlCgotLQpBbnRvbmlvIFBlw7FhClNlY3VyZSBlbWFpbCB3aXRoIFBH UCAweDhCMDIxMDAxIGF2YWlsYWJsZSBhdCAgaHR0cDovL3BncC5taXQuZWR1CkZpbmdlcnByaW50 OiA3NEU2IDI5NzQgQjA5MCAzNjZEIENFNzEgIDdCQjIgNjQ3NiBGQTA5IDhCMDIgMTAwMQ== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 08:33:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 864843B5; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail143c7.megamailservers.com (mail745.megamailservers.com [69.49.98.55]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F38824E2; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: hurds.sasktel.net Received: from [192.168.0.33] (ip70-187-145-241.oc.oc.cox.net [70.187.145.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail143c7.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s6J8WviF001605; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 04:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:32:57 -0700 From: Stephen Hurd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krad , Matt Bettinger Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6.1_pre20140112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.53CA2D3E.0072, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.1 cv=cZDr8BzM c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=qWhSLQ/2FgUpSQgLv9E1tw==:117 a=qWhSLQ/2FgUpSQgLv9E1tw==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=zNQZm9IoAq8A:10 a=cQ5pcHtl6RgA:10 a=YxfxW3ofkq8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=uhPMnebkAAAA:8 a=E3f3JUB3-kdayd4SlykA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:43:06 +0000 Cc: =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:33:26 -0000 krad wrote: > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is > reaching out. One of FreeBSD's historic strengths has been the handbook and generally good quality documentation. There is no way that the FreeBSD project can ensure that all Google results for everyone in the world are FreeBSD related "good" documentation, but it can ensure that the documentation included with FreeBSD is accurate and usable, and it can ensure that the FreeBSD documentation is available via the internet. Aside from blindly following whatever generates the most Google results (an obviously broken solution), what exactly can the FreeBSD project do to ensure that when someone "Googles" a problem they will end up with a correct FreeBSD solution? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 12:04:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F09421FB for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B99D8267B for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:04:15 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=PvsRnnw3 c=1 sm=1 a=uNsD4W5u/UlQopoDAqU1YA==:17 a=jXRPIkKMiaoA:10 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=WId10dO5dVyvU7OanhsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=uNsD4W5u/UlQopoDAqU1YA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.39.223 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.39.223] ([209.6.39.223:1080] helo=[10.0.0.35]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 53/DC-07581-8BE5AC35; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <53CA5EAD.8000908@rcn.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:03:57 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: unexpected svn behavior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Huff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:04:16 -0000 Hello: When I do: huff@>> cd /usr/src huff@>> svn up I get a clean update. However, this script: #! /bin/sh # set -x PATH=/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin echo Updating kernel+world ... cd /usr/src /usr/local/bin/svn up echo ... done. produces: Updating kernel+world ... Updating '.': svn: E230001: Unable to connect to a repository at URL 'https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/head' svn: E230001: Server SSL certificate verification failed: issuer is not trusted .. done. and I have to run it manually. I know very little about subversion; what's broken, and how do I fix it? (I'll take a pointer to the relevant part of the documentation.) Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 12:28:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0264D523 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E9E72805 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6JCRtGd029135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 06:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6JCRsFD029132; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 06:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 06:27:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 In-Reply-To: <066C2341-F26F-4817-B681-97119FB7EB7C@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> <066C2341-F26F-4817-B681-97119FB7EB7C@lafn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 06:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Andrew Berg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:28:01 -0000 On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: > On 18 July 2014, at 16:01, Warren Block wrote: >> It's not necessary to delete the source every time. But /usr/src >> should be empty before the initial svn checkout, or there will be >> files in there that are unmanaged and can cause problems. The >> Subversion instructions mention this. (Or at least some of them do, >> we have a fair amount of similar sections in different chapters and >> sections that need to be combined.) >> > > I didn't find any mention of that in the manual. There is one here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/svn.html#svn-usage From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 13:18:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69CE7ADB for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B6BB2B3A for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6JDIWmE041381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6JDIWHE041378; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Huff Subject: Re: unexpected svn behavior In-Reply-To: <53CA5EAD.8000908@rcn.com> Message-ID: References: <53CA5EAD.8000908@rcn.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:18:34 -0000 On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Robert Huff wrote: > Hello: > When I do: > > huff@>> cd /usr/src > huff@>> svn up > > I get a clean update. > However, this script: > > #! /bin/sh > > # set -x > > PATH=/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin > > echo Updating kernel+world ... > cd /usr/src > /usr/local/bin/svn up > echo ... done. > > produces: > > Updating kernel+world ... > Updating '.': > svn: E230001: Unable to connect to a repository at URL > 'https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/head' > svn: E230001: Server SSL certificate verification failed: issuer is not > trusted > .. done. > > and I have to run it manually. > I know very little about subversion; what's broken, and how do I fix it? > (I'll take a pointer to the relevant part of the documentation.) Maybe the script runs as a different user? Server certificate information is stored in ~/.subversion/auth/. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/svn.html#svn-mirrors From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 13:50:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18A5D131; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.feld.me", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A13C22D75; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e0d4d130; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:50:09 -0500 (CDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=feld.me; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:sender; s= blargle2; bh=QEgcu/04F1wFELogP+s5/zHBMA8=; b=qlGWoMhuRyJFymBnXFe CzaJ7fIq7rScooaZlNDj/0bcyyFhdKxnuqZO8XwGYMWfU7aoUadQnayUMhhpXAWM j5EqJpDd0p//PCZUdGm/QzMODiPQeQzVtBLk7bW5eMzj3uWqWVofxSDN4NYKdUQ5 2i/XE/1dL0ZdcBWXk+lLfbMF2MFxTmvjZacE4jVWV5Ent7q5lvA/cS7hycMIJsxK O5GsXzl/QMcy7wZjOOGlrUmEntbVoqMteAUWtAPxSDoXmIsbP9QLzYlO+4qnn15w L+62JViBlsKTwZ702qpZt+gMlb+yaEOpbIeYVIpzhXinImTrGCzghG0AFGUKSjD9 RuA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=feld.me; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:sender; q= dns; s=blargle2; b=hN550qsLqzesS2i3ni5HKUu5s/M7sgq+2h+mfXa5HTPnD X3GscAe+6iM7FWI7y6bH4RiqUJ7+waDdLj4fkIuN7up2VtBUThUmh8vEdvbtO/nU pvo+2GD6Qa9OBR0JHq6d0zCRB590pHOUMazXIPcbXJop5y8z/Qe2paeCRlHE0WxX V6QsipzGYCmDgcpRM5EK6vqtLdDgc3De+CJsXatF45JJqnMWyrTtRkoXwPKGDvZ+ bz8kRR4AXyP4KDUVVoLyS0HYUCGG1PLQqfimSSq7hPXcRy34GvN4rAcfBIH3eMac 3z6mHRPzEpMXVNIFXsJPwjcvWCnFQ/DfMjRltlhvg== Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.6]); by mail.feld.me (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1c3fb8b0; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:50:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feld@feld.me by mail.feld.me (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpa id 1405777808-5784-5781/5/2; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:50:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: Mark Felder In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:50:06 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E7D9358-29BA-48F9-9067-1BBA48470673@FreeBSD.org> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <53C9DAA1.4020006@bluerosetech.com> To: Andreas Nilsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Sender: feld@feld.me Cc: Gleb Smirnoff , Darren Pilgrim , Current FreeBSD , Mailinglists FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:50:21 -0000 On Jul 19, 2014, at 3:35, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Darren Pilgrim < > list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> wrote: >=20 >> On 7/18/2014 4:06 AM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>=20 >>> K> b) We are a major release away from OpenBSD (5.6 coming soon) - is >>> K> following OpenBSD's pf the past? - should it be? >>>=20 >>> Following OpenBSD on features would be cool, but no bulk imports >>> would be made again. Bulk imports produce bad quality of port, >>> and also pf in OpenBSD has no multi thread support. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I would much rather have a slower pf that actually supports modern >> networking than a faster one I can't use due to showstopper flaws and >> missing features. >>=20 >=20 > So would I. Not that we use pf, but anyway. >=20 >>=20 >> There is currently no viable firewall module for FreeBSD if you want = to do >> things like route IPv6. >=20 >=20 > Isn't that possible with ipfw? >=20 > Perhaps the pf guys in OpenBSD could be convinced to start openpf and = have > porting layer as in openzfs. >=20 I do not know ipfw IPv6 limitations, but the Wikipedia article says: * IPv6 support (with several limitations) Choice is nice, but I would like to see the project promote one firewall = to users. My coworkers long ago jumped ship from ipfw to pf and I know = regret that decision due to the IPv6 bugs. At this point it's too hard = to migrate all the servers off of pf. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 15:20:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E542601 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C34E023CE for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-69-249.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.69.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D533124C5D; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:13:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s6JFDkU2001916; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:13:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:13:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem Message-Id: <20140719171346.712611fa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> <20140719015149.1cb323c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:20:22 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:03 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Polytropon wrote: > > > This is an example of how I have been working (outside of CUPS), > > the /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh filter: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 > > /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER \ > > -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ > > -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true \ > > -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 > > exit 2 > > > > You can see that I've been using gs (ghostscript) with the options > > defining the required paper size (ISO A4) and resolution (600 dpi). > > The printer driver used by gs is "ljet4d" which works with the > > HP LaserJet 4000 DN I'm still using. > > The LJ4000 is a PostScript printer. In fact, it has many personalities, PS is one of them. It also handles PCL, and additionally ASCII. Therefore it has a multiple personality disorder, but that's actually fine, because each of them has its advantage. Personalities can be selected at the operator panel of the printer. Setting AUTO usually causes the correct output to appear. > The trick of modifying the incoming > PS file to set the page size will be faster. Here, gs has to build and > send a multi-megabyte bitmap. I found that using PS directly is slower than using gs, but I'm going with this solution with just works (TM) for many years now. The reason might be that I also had other printers in the same location (HP Laserjet 4, Lexmark Optra something, Kyocera FS-600) which all understand the gs-generated data without me having to change anything. That's a very lazy man's solution, I know. :-) Currently I'm using CUPS with a PPD file, so I think things are kept in PS the whole way (PPD used to modify PS). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 15:47:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96D18B20 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4209025ED for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6JFlVFr078034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s6JFlV0s078031; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:47:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: printcap configuration problem In-Reply-To: <20140719171346.712611fa.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <1405676044178-5929730.post@n5.nabble.com> <1405689027711-5929805.post@n5.nabble.com> <20140719015149.1cb323c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20140719171346.712611fa.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:47:38 -0000 On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:44:03 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> This is an example of how I have been working (outside of CUPS), >>> the /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh filter: >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 >>> /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER \ >>> -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ >>> -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true \ >>> -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 >>> exit 2 >>> >>> You can see that I've been using gs (ghostscript) with the options >>> defining the required paper size (ISO A4) and resolution (600 dpi). >>> The printer driver used by gs is "ljet4d" which works with the >>> HP LaserJet 4000 DN I'm still using. >> >> The LJ4000 is a PostScript printer. > > In fact, it has many personalities, PS is one of them. It also > handles PCL, and additionally ASCII. Therefore it has a multiple > personality disorder, but that's actually fine, because each of > them has its advantage. > > Personalities can be selected at the operator panel of the printer. > Setting AUTO usually causes the correct output to appear. They can also be selected with PJL, but I agree that Auto usually does fine. >> The trick of modifying the incoming >> PS file to set the page size will be faster. Here, gs has to build and >> send a multi-megabyte bitmap. > > I found that using PS directly is slower than using gs, but I'm > going with this solution with just works (TM) for many years now. It somewhat depends on what generates the PostScript file. Some applications render a big bitmap and then convert that to PostScript, which makes it bigger and loses the resolution-independent advantages. Real PS programs are usually much smaller than the equivalent bitmaps. If the printer can handle PCL6, it might be faster that ljet4 (PCL5) due to bitmap compression. The gs driver is pxlmono. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 20:03:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45850F69 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AD229DB for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3hG0Nd68N4z173 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:57:37 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS Message-ID: <578E7D82A34085A024A9BD33@[192.168.1.50]> In-Reply-To: <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:03:33 -0000 --As of July 18, 2014 6:04:16 PM +0100, RW is alleged to have said: >> "I was really more interested in whether ZFS (with ARC) is faster than >> UFS with FreeBSD's own file caching. A lot of people say that putting >> an OS on SSD gives a significant speed-up. 16GB should be more than >> enough to keep the important system files in memory, so it sounds like >> smarter caching might be useful." >> >> If you want speed sure UFS is faster on the same machine, but that's >> because its doing less. > > Yes, I know ZFS has overheads, but ARC is potentially better than OS > caching. The question was whether, with a decent amount memory, ZFS can > actually be faster than UFS. --As for the rest, it is mine. Checking would take extensive work, and I think it would be *heavily* workload/hardware/tuning dependent, but I suspect there are probably cases where it would be. For a similar type of example: Turning on compression in ZFS can improve speed, depending on the data and the hardware. If it takes less time to compress/uncompress data than it does to write the difference to disk it speeds up; so with highly compressible data and light compression you often get higher speeds. There are several of that types of trade-offs available in ZFS, and you can tune for different uses. I don't think anyone has done comparisons, but it's probably possible that ZFS is faster under certain circumstances, even with a one-disk pool. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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Works fine when I bypass squid. I ask here because I recently updated squid to.. [admin@sdvmf64squid ~/etc/squid]$ uname -a FreeBSD sdvmf64squid 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [admin@sdvmf64squid ~]$ squid -v Squid Cache: Version 3.3.11 configure options: '--with-default-user=squid' '--bindir=/usr/local/sbin' '--sbindir=/usr/local/sbin' '--datadir=/usr/local/etc/squid' '--libexecdir=/usr/local/libexec/squid' '--localstatedir=/var' '--sysconfdir=/usr/local/etc/squid' '--with-logdir=/var/log/squid' '--with-pidfile=/var/run/squid/squid.pid' '--with-swapdir=/var/squid/cache/squid' '--enable-auth' '--enable-build-info' '--enable-loadable-modules' '--enable-removal-policies=lru heap' '--disable-epoll' '--disable-linux-netfilter' '--disable-linux-tproxy' '--disable-translation' '--enable-auth-basic=DB MSNT MSNT-multi-domain NCSA PAM POP3 RADIUS fake getpwnam NIS' '--enable-auth-digest=file' '--enable-external-acl-helpers=file_userip time_quota unix_group' '--enable-auth-negotiate=kerberos wrapper' '--enable-auth-ntlm=fake smb_lm' '--enable-storeio=diskd rock ufs aufs' '--enable-disk-io=AIO Blocking DiskDaemon IpcIo Mmapped DiskThreads' '--enable-log-daemon-helpers=file' '--enable-url-rewrite-helpers=fake' '--enable-htcp' '--disable-forw-via-db' '--disable-cache-digests' '--enable-wccp' '--enable-wccpv2' '--disable-eui' '--disable-ipfw-transparent' '--disable-pf-transparent' '--disable-ipf-transparent' '--disable-follow-x-forwarded-for' '--disable-ecap' '--disable-icap-client' '--disable-esi' '--enable-kqueue' '--prefix=/usr/local' '--mandir=/usr/local/man' '--infodir=/usr/local/info/' '--build=amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0' 'build_alias=amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0' 'CC=cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing' 'LDFLAGS= -pthread' 'CPPFLAGS=' 'CXX=c++' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused-private-field' 'CPP=cpp' --enable-ltdl-convenience [admin@sdvmf64squid ~/etc/squid]$ sudo cat squid.conf | grep ^acl acl localnet src 192.168.1.0/26 # our internal network acl SSL_ports port 443 acl Safe_ports port 80 # http acl Safe_ports port 21 # ftp acl Safe_ports port 443 # https acl Safe_ports port 70 # gopher acl Safe_ports port 210 # wais acl Safe_ports port 1025-65535 # unregistered ports acl Safe_ports port 280 # http-mgmt acl Safe_ports port 488 # gss-http acl Safe_ports port 591 # filemaker acl Safe_ports port 777 # multiling http acl CONNECT method CONNECT acl nethosted port 2083 #cpanel acl nethosted port 2096 #webmail acl acl_sites dstdomain "/usr/local/etc/squid/sd_acl_sites" acl acl_regex dstdom_regex -i "/usr/local/etc/squid/sd_acl_regex" [admin@sdvmf64squid ~/etc/squid]$ sudo cat sd_acl_* www\.dev\.nul .*\.akamaihd\.net .*\.doubleclick\.net .*\.facebook\.com .*\.googlesyndication\.com .*\.gstatic\.com .*\.outbrain\.com .*\.twitter\.com www.dev.nul apis.google.com The squid "access.log". shows nothing when I hit most of the above options in the above https url. It's like the steam page has made a decision mased upon proxy but cocked up. I posted a ticket on steam about this but can't help thinking I'm missing something. TIA Guy