From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:17:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418E743D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:17:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050213031758i9100k5nlae>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: <420EC6E3.903@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:17:55 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stheg olloydson References: <20050213021055.69766.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213021055.69766.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:17:59 -0000 stheg olloydson wrote: >--- Kris Kennaway wrote: > >>On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: >> >>>P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be >> >>construed >> >>>as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way >>>this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few >>>commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place >>>among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. >> >>Sorry, but that's how the FreeBSD project works and always has >>worked. >>The FreeBSD Core team has always decided policy for the FreeBSD >>project, and they can handle it any way they like, including making >>unilateral decisions with consulting with the FreeBSD user base. For >>better or worse, FreeBSD is not a democracy of users - if you thought >>otherwise then you were just mistaken. >> >>Kris >> > >Hello, > >Core being Core will do what they think is best, and they have every >right to. That's not my point. My point is the discussion took place in >secret. > >[sniped] "In message: <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> Nikolas Britton writes: > M. Warner Losh wrote: [sniped] > I was generalizing. but now that I got your ear what is the core team > doing about PR and Martketing [sniped]. We are well aware of the issues here, and have talked about them in some depth. We'd planned on launching our efforts to fix the problems, if any truly exist, after the first of the year when people are back from their holidays. [sniped]. In the past, PR has been done by the cdrom companies, but their monitary incentives for doing that is now way down since cdrom sales have dropped so much over the years. [sniped] Warner"