Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:19:42 +0200 From: John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st> To: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org> Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: quarterly branches and transition to post-pkg_* [was: svn commit: r364739 - in head: . sysutils sysutils/syslog-ng-devel sysutils/syslog-ng-devel/files] Message-ID: <53EDA67E.7090206@marino.st> In-Reply-To: <53EB19F9.4040803@marino.st> References: <53ea6d76.6eb9.5599e7c9@svn.freebsd.org> <53EA6EBB.2010802@marino.st> <53EA7155.4060606@FreeBSD.org> <53EA7416.5080008@marino.st> <88E432AA-8DC7-4C8A-B530-C75AF32952AF@adamw.org> <20140813074515.GB16368@FreeBSD.org> <53EB19F9.4040803@marino.st>
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On 8/13/2014 09:55, John Marino wrote: > On 8/13/2014 09:45, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >> [*] Well, there are quarterly branches if one wants it to feel like Debian >> stable without the quality control; IMHO they are of no use and should >> be ignored altogether. > > > In concept the quarterly branches are a good idea. Execution is a > different matter. > > #1 issue: There's no portsnap with quarterly branches > #2 issue: backporting fixes to quarterly branch, the process is a PITA > #3 issue: There's no basic integrity check (e.g. freeze) before branching > > > We have a huge problem looming: The pkg_* tools are going to be removed, > maybe as soon as 1 September. > > I think the following should happen: > 1) A version of portsnap be modified and added to the ports tree before > then, a version that is quarter-branch capable > 2) Waiting until 2014Q4 before removing pkg_* tools, which means at > least wait until Oct 1. > 3) Encourage everyone that has no intention to move to pkgng immediately > to switch to the 2014Q4 branch > 4) Maintain security updates to 2014Q4 branch for 6 months instead of > the normal 3 months > 5) Get the updated portsnap into base > > And eventually make quarterly branches the norm and working on head "at > your own risk". > > > Right now I see no plan for the post-pkg_* transition and the absence of > one is pretty scary. You guys should consider my proposal above or > something similar. > > > John Should I re-post this in developers@? Or does everyone think providing an outlet for those that can't adjust to pkg_* tools removal by 1 Sept is unnecessary? John
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