From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 19:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC02116A4BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0A643FDF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12115; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030903203619.0342b210@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:41:00 -0600 To: Darren Pilgrim From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <20030903132457.3602c35e.dmp@bitfreak.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030903131429.03609c60@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030902180402.028e2380@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030901143026.029afce0@localhost> <1062427379.15322.12.camel@suzy.unbreakable.homeunix.org> <29508631.20030901165843@mail.ru> <1062427379.15322.12.camel@suzy.unbreakable.homeunix.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030901143026.029afce0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030902180402.028e2380@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030903131429.03609c60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" cc: sub_0@netcabo.pt cc: Diego Calleja García cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:41:17 -0000 At 02:24 PM 9/3/2003, Darren Pilgrim wrote: >You've said that KDE is only partially function under FreeBSD more than >once now. Would you please elaborate on this? I use FreeBSD+KDE as my >desktop and, short of a more complete Windows emulator, I haven't found >anything I could do in Windows or Linux that I can't do in FreeBSD+KDE. Subsystems of KDE that are difficult if not impossible to use with FreeBSD include: * Printing (if you can get it to work at all, it's only via a dozen or so GPLed utilities that must be hand-configured and tweaked because FreeBSD is not Linux); * Audio (About all that seems to work on any FreeBSD machine I've ever tried is sound effects); * PPP (they use kernel PPP rather than FreeBSD's userland PPP); and * Power management (fails to work or crashes on every laptop I've tried it on). And these are only the ones I've either watched people butt heads with or given up trying to make 100% functional. Not to mention the fact, again, that the whole mess is GPLed, which means that it's basically the end of one's professional career as a programmer if one views and alters the source code. --Brett