Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 22:29:56 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org> Cc: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Matthew Macy <mat.macy@gmail.com>, Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu>, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@freebsd.org>, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org>, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>, Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>, "rgrimes@freebsd.org" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Sean Bruno <sbruno@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 Message-ID: <201805250529.w4P5Tu6E046413@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org> of "Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:28 -0700." <CAH7qZfsbGheNqnwNmkP5jYiE=FXzc65yZSBoX_mM%2BuNce9rhyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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In message <CAH7qZfsbGheNqnwNmkP5jYiE=FXzc65yZSBoX_mM+uNce9rhyQ@mail.gma il.com> , Maxim Sobolev writes: > --00000000000046c92e056d00305f > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay > not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost > platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of applications > in the world that don't need > 3gb of memory space and have no use for > extra bits (and extra silicon) to function. By quitting this space early > FreeBSD is going to make itself unavailable for those applications. We are > striving to support mips and the likes, with just tens of megabytes of > memory and marginal at best adoption. Yet seriously discussing ditching out > solid platform that has been our workforce for 20+ years?? How many newly developed embedded applications use i386? Most embedded applications I've seen in 2018 use ARM. The original discussion point was to start considering it -- a roadmap (FreeBSD 14 or 15, or by 2023). 2038 is quickly approaching. The dominant O/S distros have by and large dropped or are working to deprecate it. When we break i386 few complain and even then not immediately. I don't think it's a large share of our market. ~cy > > -Max > > On Thu, May 24, 2018, 5:40 PM Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22:37PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > All you need to know about sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot > > > for 3 months until last week. > > > > All you need to know is that -11 works fine, but, after so much drama > > from various places, I haven't even bothered upgrading any of my machines > > to 12. > > > > mcl > > > > > > --00000000000046c92e056d00305f > Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <div dir=3D"auto">The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i38= > 6 is here to stay not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low p= > ower/low cost platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of= > applications in the world that don't need > 3gb of memory space and= > have no use for extra bits (and extra silicon) to function. By quitting th= > is space early FreeBSD is going to make itself unavailable for those applic= > ations. We are striving to support mips and the likes, with just tens of me= > gabytes of memory and marginal at best adoption. Yet seriously discussing d= > itching out solid platform that has been our workforce for 20+ years??=C2= > =A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">-Max</div></div><br><div c= > lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, May 24, 2018, 5:40 PM Mark Li= > nimon <<a href=3D"mailto:linimon@lonesome.com">linimon@lonesome.com</a>&= > gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= > .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, May 24, 2018 at = > 12:22:37PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote:<br> > > All you need to know about sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't bo= > ot<br> > > for 3 months until last week.<br> > <br> > All you need to know is that -11 works fine, but, after so much drama<br> > from various places, I haven't even bothered upgrading any of my machin= > es<br> > to 12.<br> > <br> > mcl<br> > <br> > </blockquote></div> > > --00000000000046c92e056d00305f-- -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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