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Date:      Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:44:01 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        Stephen McKay <mckay@thehub.com.au>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror)))
Message-ID:  <20011024114401.D28396@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011023200438.04daac60@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:08:38PM -0600
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On Tuesday, 23 October 2001 at 20:08:38 -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 06:04 PM 10/23/2001, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>>> However, when met with deadly force while attempting to apprehend
>>> criminals, the government does have the right to respond with deadly
>>> force.
>>
>> Ah.  Where does that right come from?  In the constitution?
>
> The constitutions (or equivalent documents) of all democratic
> governments accord them the right to keep the peace and apprehend
> criminals. And rightly so.

Correct, but this has nothing to do with apprehension.

>> Are there laws in place which define when this right applies, and
>> what "deadly force" means?
>
> In every democracy of which I am aware.

In the democracies of which I'm aware, there is a due course of
justice.  It doesn't involve invading places and shooting first.

>> Does "attempting to apprehend criminals" include driving tanks into
>> towns and firing at random?
>
> No. And the Israelis are not doing that.

It looks very much like it to me.  What am I missing?

Greg
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