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Date:      Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:25:01 +0000
From:      "Darryl L. Miles" <darryl@netbauds.net>
To:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_K=F6nig?= <bjoern.koenig@alpha-tierchen.de>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: pkg_add for 5.2.1 no longer working...
Message-ID:  <42182D3D.1030706@netbauds.net>
In-Reply-To: <20050220045721.A55CFCCD800@mail.alpha-tierchen.de>
References:  <20050220045721.A55CFCCD800@mail.alpha-tierchen.de>

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Björn König wrote:

>set the environment variable PACKAGESITE to
>ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releas
>es/i386/5.2.1-RELEASE/packages/Latest/
>permanently if you want to use packages of 5.2.1-RELEASE.
>  
>
Many Thanks, this has done the trick.



Kris Kennaway wrote:

>Right.  Since 5.2.1 is an obsolete release it was removed from the
>main ftp site last year after the release of 5.3 to free up some
>space.  Some mirrors may still carry it - look with
>http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org and set the environment variables
>described in the pkg_add(1) manpage to use the alternate site.
>
>  
>
OBSOLETE!  I would understand you saying its not current, or not the 
latest, but "obsolete" generally means the version has under gone its 
complete lifecycle, it came out, was superceeded (5.3), then those last 
installs of 5.2.1 would get their expected system lifetime to run (lets 
say 3 years), only at this point would 5.2.1 become obsolete.  This has 
allowed enough time for all systems to be upgraded from it.

There must be 1000's of systems out there running 5.2.1 right now and 
these system (overnight) have already begun the rather steep slope into 
unmaintainability.

The main distribution point of freebsd has deleted a few Gb to recover 
diskspace would the main site be best hosted at one of its mirrors ?

One huge advantage of binary distrubutions (of packages/ports) is that 
it makes for easy administration.   Not only just to install the package 
but if 99% of people will be using that same binary package (over 
building it themselves), those 99% of people can use their advantage of 
having that specific binary/build tested over a large userbase, use that 
advantage to know how and if they are affected by security updates 
relating to that build of the package (as any one of them can do the 
audit and post results that have meaning to the other users of that 
package), use that advantage to report on runtime problems relating to 
that build of the package and so on.

Free BSD's policy seems to read that once a new mainline release comes 
out, users now have to start building their own binary ports for their 
old version of Free BSD.  Free BSD will no longer provide or even keep 
around the latest build of each package from the time when the 
distribution version was current.  I don't expect any back porting of 
even upgrading of packages after the version is no longer mainline, but 
I would expect the frozen state from the point it was superceeded to 
still be available.


I'm still very new to Free BSD so I'm trying to understand the mission 
statement and where it fits into the world, like do the benifits 
outweigh the headaches.

Just my 2 cents.


Thanks for your answers folks,

Darryl



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