From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:31:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1450F37B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASHUmm02571; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:30:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000801c17832$6cf1fa20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy><86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com><00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> <000401c1782a$730a29d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05179C.97A65420@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:30:47 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah, a true believer! That certainly didn't take long, did it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ekins" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 17:58 Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > > Your overall impressions of FreeBSD vs. Linux match mine, even though I have not > > bothered with Linux. > > So your opinion, technical or otherwise on comparisons between FreeBSD and > Linux is not worth anything. > > > Linux has been the target of enormous marketing and media > > hype, > > Yes it has. > > > but even a casual glance at the OS from a technical standpoint > > Happily I don't tend to make decisions based on casual glances. > > > makes one > > wonder why anyone would choose it over the other free versions of UNIX that are > > available. > > The hype is the one and only reason for the success of the OS, IMO, > > and I wonder whether it will survive over the long term. > > We've been using it here for several years, well before it was being > hyped. > > > > Mainly it comes down to maturity. FreeBSD works > > > for me in the production world. We had _A LOT_ of > > > problems with Linux systems from 2.2.15 onwards > > > due to broken VM subsystems. The 2.4 kernel had > > > been very problematic for us due to things like > > > software raid problems in 2.4.0. > > This suggests sticking to reliable versions unless you need to upgrade, > and if you do to test thoroughly. > > > This confirms my own intuition with respect to Linux. > > Intuition counts for nothing. > > > That has been exactly my impression since the beginning. > > Yes, lots more impression but no experience. > > > It's ideal for people > > who like to tinker with the OS without ever doing any productive work, > > Hmm, we have nearly two hundred Linux machines in service. We're a > commercial company so I guess they're not toy boxes. > > > and > > certainly without ever having a need for high-uptime production use. > > Some of our uptimes have wrapped past 497 days... > > > It also > > appeals to people who had never heard the word "UNIX" prior to encountering some > > of the hype around Linux. > > Well it's a good introduction to "Unix" in general if you can't get a real > "Unix". > > > Since I don't like to tinker with an OS (particularly just to get it to work), > > and since I knew what UNIX was several decades ago, Linux seems to me like a > > useless toy that appeals to the clueless. > > More of the words "seems"... Why don't you go and get some experience? > > > > Oh, and just in case anyone thinks I'm biased, > > > I attained my RHCE as an exam only candidate. > > > > Certifications are just a gravy train for vendors, IMO and IMX. It seems > > particularly odd to award certifications on an operating system that doesn't > > seem to be stable for more than a few days at a time. > > You have no experience of this, Anthony, as you keep telling us... It just > "seems" like that to you. > > Cheers, > John. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message