From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 23:09:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C286D35262E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5x6b07wJz4Q0q for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:16 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594768162; bh=FIwIDj4F7WtW5kLgve8FDC6rDABeyFO9Y3D4GcWVF0U=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jAzL+E1zJ4CYBA8Nc7LRv6r1lV4i9g26wqfftOisBVrNf165tNCbvScgIUpcPHsh9 OoyICDbGWIaftOwXNIW3Evr1su2gANEEAWGMUgT8s0vJXmx5ysEoKq20mrlacS9YBs JiHgqyBq+ZTElLV5+hkVXNsYkiCOBWFXaKi6QLWo= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> In-Reply-To: References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5x6b07wJz4Q0q X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=jAzL+E1z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.04 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.18:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.008]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.030]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.904]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.18:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:29 -0000 On 2020-07-14 3:12 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > If your motherboard firmware is current, there are no configurable CMOS > settings, and the 12.1-RELEASE installer does not work, I suggest that > you get a (used) server with ECC memory and several drive adapters/ > bays/ racks, install FreeBSD, install services that you need and use, > and run it 24x7. This will give you the best "real world" FreeBSD > experience. After that, you will be in a much better position to do > development on or for FreeBSD. Thanks for suggestion David, but I'm not interested in running FreeBSD in a server-like scenario. Saying that full blown server is the best "real world" experience is a subjective -- and therefore false for many people (including myself) -- opinion. In the long run, I intend to focus on end-user experience running FreeBSD as a daily driver on their laptops/workstations. And help resolving similar problems, that the one, I'm having right now. This is, what interests me, thus for me this is the most important use-case.