From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 08:24:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27CF106566C for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5467F8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so2780939bkc.13 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=m9FGrjJ9IGMFfgrkF2bFgkkD4k1wDiGdUAKbtWOSt14=; b=my42bGUNQtW1ka7WUlV6sGD+Je4Pa+ZWubyNfYaUEP6C/oK0o4iczLY6p2dHQwOi8U 9QsGWvZhmKfgnkPuejWII9/90Lz9WZoqW8zbRTLlfQQQy3J8JxyPKhL90DyGjSVxSP50 zmekHZf5OYSPVY7gF1vg9Uehjp7o/+1J4xQp2kP2dVUKPA3utP/qv57LaQkvm17wWJPU qn17H39xRmLtKDmqgkYrGk3ERUypXi/5fi9aCv0XgbhuHhvHyEBDw8Wx5u9p25ck+e0P OSFH4tyXABIv6c3g5X9GZY6maQ3DEkAO3e7i5Yc1VKKwMFh83HcZDiQscbMHmzBhOaWz 95RA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.27 with SMTP id e27mr5313925bkw.56.1347956674597; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <63507.1347905101@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Garrett Cooper , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , Mike Meyer , Zhihao Yuan Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:24:36 -0000 Can you perhaps read the whole thread and organise your thoughts into just one email? Chris On 18 Sep 2012 09:09, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > To be succinct: this is not OSX/Windows. True Unix and Unix clones can >> be decoupled from a desktop environment enough that forcing everyone >> to have one choice for desktop user experience doesn't make sense, and >> the fact that there isn't a common GUI development toolkit (GTK, QT, >> etc) encourages fragmentation of effort further (I think it's called >> the Bazaar model of development :P). >> > > That's all true. But do anyone understand why there is still so much > pressure for every open source OS and specifically *BSD on "default desktop > environment" or similar ideas? > > Such a pressure exist for 20 years at least, and - between other results - > started demise of linux as trusty high performance system. > > Why people still not learned from faults and keep harming good open source > projects that way? > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@** > freebsd.org " > >