From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Aug 25 23:23:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBCC1098CA0; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 23:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE45858BB; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 23:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l7-v6so9971399iok.6; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2A2ABcxHpi2b+hEh0wAblF4Aioy0yaAasnFOQ193TZw=; b=cU69nsVSUIAqmyEwkH6HqdmVZ2oesMbIwyD5AKwEsbYPC+MMLWGfMJLhFR3EJGFcpV Ka6US8a3s0TySGPNJgSvk6aa/Nz6fhJ2ICxyii7tF+RWlEF3LDDA9HNT8xqBeCjiIxGR 2kYZyMvR+Z3U4L25dfwDl1edVZLSIlUBv1vfRNWlk2GMmp2zTKr/l38X/wg7ioUxp+my eE7yu49tHrGbqFrE9QFZL06+sOClt0BVWwEQtxwSrXfhz9Zxt2IAuxi4b2jHQFjeIwvF zdH+sQxBCROcymZ8U3FeqfCF6HHD6atWjNqZNiDpNpMRR2fQDURmBn7NtMqEOZRc4ei+ zBBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2A2ABcxHpi2b+hEh0wAblF4Aioy0yaAasnFOQ193TZw=; b=j7E9A8lr8YmhB3p74iRLBa6wborMBq+XBmPgbGgWXaPgjz1G88YzpSWre4WIZmQ8zH Dj2GQ6MJSgH7qsIZpSspbwJoA8SGowJ9p+fFFW10NCncAZqM5ZeBnHAoGDiofABQ5vFI 2lxqWKl2wVTfXcZiFKH7lKg3B+9+LsUh8gmfP2I5ngLIrCWNg6amyF0xDkMmQe7GmpRy u3aiFcjXpM3ObuytPmqLBU+BL9vs6kka1VSra4ze2ALtOdBNRW1E8NPjDJj7jXWZlOQv /hTto+Jg+lPbTfZX5NTCRSpAM4ziNGRwosYQ6xm2aHWZezheTd88UW0s/PLvp4sSTqlO 6Wkg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AeJm6JhKps0aqO8a9lZdaC2bNfCWjM+6RvnwMolqKd9WmwfgkX Lc5S+Tk4AS/vdQNFu2mIrpRmbnsSKwyXprERT1c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vdas6fR9RJaBSIIGVIS/AIN27bAxrep8CcokyQ4B3V5iW4nlu4kqssA40oUPEVQieg+I/tfpxCY8BdeDZdi3KVQ= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:890c:: with SMTP id k12-v6mr5528851ioj.136.1535239407318; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:23:15 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: des@des.no Cc: mmacy@freebsd.org, Warner Losh , Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 23:23:28 -0000 On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote= : > blubee blubeeme writes: > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > > individuals that I am currently addressing. > > Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have > interacted with on this topic. > > > Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a banner constantly > > wanting acknowledgement, a pat on the head and good job from everyone. > > The only person I see constantly craving attention and validation from > others here is you. > > > How far will core FreeBSD bend over backwards to accommodate these > > devs. > > The core team does not decide what goes into the tree or not. The > developers do. > > > This is the beauty of an open source project, we bring the best to the > > table, [...] > > Who exactly is =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D here? You are not a member of the pr= oject, you do > not speak for the project, and after seeing how you treat our fellow > developers, our friends, most of us want nothing to do with you. If > can't live with that, I'm sure you can figure out how to install Linux. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no Some on here want to attack my personality because they think that I am abrasive, fine but that's not the issue. Some claim that they run the code and it works wonderful for them with no issues, again that's lovely keep on running the code. Nevertheless let me restate the point that you guys are all seeming to miss; If you can go out and build custom kernels with custom options and out of mainline tree that's fine, keep doing that until you have something that's production ready and as easy to install as the rest of FreeBSD system. The graphics stack on FreeBSD is pretty bad as it stands but all the documentation currently out there is about using it as it stands now. Why do you need to rip out the current graphics drivers which will break systems for the vast majority of silent users who will not complain and just leave? ---- A little background ---- Do you know why Samsung, Motorola, Sony, LG, Nokia, etc... never update their phones to the latest android version? It's because the Linux kernel is such a mess they know it's a waste of resources to try. You should not have to ask how or why I know this but if it's unclear I was in the field. ----------------------------------- Now you guys who claim to only be hobbyist doing this in their free time expect to maintain this when those companies with all their resources cannot? Those 30,000 ports many of them bring bugs with them because of this Linuxkpi stuff. Just recently there was a user who said google earth doesn't work the answer was it doesn't work and that's that. They get ported and then get dropped so while the ports tree is large, if you actually try to use some of those programs they are broken, maintenance hell for the developers and confusion for the users. Johannes Lundberg I know that you are one of the main working on this linuxkpi stuff but anyone else is free to answer as well. Let's have an open discussion why do you need to remove the current graphics stack to continue with your work?