From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 21 21:47:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8399D51B; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1101E28D9; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.188.244.228]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r9LLl8OG018137; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:47:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r9LLl4tH078191; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:47:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9LLkqZ1044966; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:46:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201310212146.r9LLkqZ1044966@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" , Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:59:07 +0400." <5265878B.1050809@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:46:52 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:47:18 -0000 "Andrey V. Elsukov" wrote: > I'm agree. While there are still some devices without native drivers, > but that work via NDISulator, we should keep it. Yes, best keep it while it helps some people. Adrian Chadd wrote: > It's honestly about time that these were updated, fixed and/or ported to > FreeBSD. > > So, I'm still going forward with the plan. I won't be killing it during the > 10 lifecycle. If ndis is removed while it works, that would be bad for users, some of whom won't even be on lists, but use ndis as their lifeboat. If ndis is later labeled as abandoned & if maintenance ceases, & if it then breaks, only then will pressure increase on others to step forward & help fix things; if a wait then sees no one stepping forward, surely only then would removal seem most appropriate ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative.