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Date:      Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:29:47 +0200
From:      Gerhard Schmidt <estartu@ze.tum.de>
To:        Doug Hardie <bc979@lafn.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: No Extended Support Version right now?
Message-ID:  <45977e25-80e4-9bb9-e36a-bb7d6e7e7dbb@ze.tum.de>
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Am 09.08.2018 um 08:50 schrieb Doug Hardie:
> 
>> On 8 August 2018, at 22:30, Gerhard Schmidt <estartu@ze.tum.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there realy no version of FreeBSD with support longer than 3 Month
>> right now.
>>
>> I'm running FreeBSD on quite a lot servers. I don't want to go through
>> updating every x Month. So in the past I stick with the Extended Support
>> Releases. But support for 10.3 ended 2 Month ago. 10.4 support will end
>> in 3 Month.
>>
>> No Extended Support release for FreeBSD 11 has been announced yet.
>> FreeBSD 11.1 support will end in 2 Month.
>>
>> Will 11.2 be an extended support Release or maybe 11.1
>>
>> This i not a good situation to sell FreeBSD as a professional
>> alternative to Linux or Windows to my bosses.
>>
> 
> from https://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#sup
> 
> The FreeBSD support model
> 
> Effective FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE, the support model has been changed to allow more rapid development while also providing timely security updates for all supported releases.

That's marketing bullshit and you know it. I like rapid developments but
don't forget the people who run longtime legacy systems.

> Under the new support model, each major version's stable branch is explicitly supported for 5 years, while each individual point release is only supported for three months after the next point release.

So everyone has a window of 3 month starting with a date somebody else
chooses to update all his systems or running out of support. Sorry that
is nothing larger installation can do. I'm running 200+ FreeBSD servers.
Updating each of them to the next Major release takes about 2h (really
stupid things like FreeBSD id changes in config files are time consuming
and annoying). More than 3-4 Servers a day is not possible so a major
upgrade takes at least 50 workdays with is 2 1/2 Month. Minor updates
are not really better. Not that much files but quite as annoying.

It's nice to have 5 Years on a Major version but if i need to update
every year that's not really a LTS.

No wonder everyone is migrating to Linux and/or docker. Most Linux
distributions have LTS Releases with 5 Years support with only security
updates.

Regards
   Estartu



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