Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Danial Thom <danial_thom@yahoo.com> To: Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com>, performance@freebsd.org Cc: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon) Message-ID: <20061015145732.82798.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061012105249.P77744@demos.bsdclusters.com>
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Hi Kip, Where you a troll when you outlined how your port of FreeBSD 6 to Solaris was so bad that it was virtually unusable? Stating facts is not trolling. The fact that you may not want to hear it is your own problem. I'm fairly certain that you know that every single thing I'm saying is true, but you have some agenda that it doesn't suit. You can't keep promoting this junk they're putting out. You can't just keep kicking the Matt Dillons out of the camp because they think that your design is a piece of crap. At some point you have to come to terms with the fact that your kernel design stinks, or its never going to get fixed. DT --- Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com> wrote: > Please do not feed the trolls. > > -Kip > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Danial Thom wrote: > > > > > > > --- Alexander Leidinger > <Alexander@Leidinger.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Quoting Dan Lukes <dan@obluda.cz> (from > Thu, 12 > > > Oct 2006 09:43:20 +0200): > > > > > > [moved from security@ to performance@] > > > > > > > The main problem is - 6.x is still not > > > competitive replacement for > > > > 4.x. I'm NOT speaking about old > unsupported > > > hardware - I speaked about > > > > performance in some situation and believe > in > > > it's stability. > > > > > > You can't be sure that a committer has the > > > resources to setup an > > > environment where he is able to reproduce > your > > > performance problems. > > > You on the other hand have hands-on > experience > > > with the performance > > > problem. If you are able to setup a > -current > > > system (because there are > > > changes which may affect performance > already, > > > and it is the place > > > where the nuw stuff will be developt) which > > > exposes the bad behavior, > > > you could make yourself familiar with the > pmc > > > framework > > > (http://wiki.freebsd.org/PmcTools, I'm sure > > > jkoshy@ will help if you > > > have questions) and point out the > bottlenecks > > > on current@ and/or > > > performance@ (something similar happened > for > > > MySQL, and now we have a > > > webpage in the wiki about it). Without such > > > reports, we can't handle > > > the issue. > > > > > > Further discussion about this should happen > in > > > performance@ or current@... > > > > > > Bye, > > > Alexander. > > > > > > > Maybe its just time for the entire FreeBSD > team > > to come out of its world of delusion and come > to > > terms with what every real-life user of > FreeBSD > > knows: In how ever many years of development, > > there is still no good reason to use anything > > other than FreeBSD 4.x except that 4.x > doesn't > > support a lot of newer harder. There is no > > performance advantage in real world > applications > > with multiple processors, and the performance > is > > far worse with 1 processor. > > > > The right thing to do is to port the SATA > support > > and new NIC support back to 4.x and support > both. > > 4.x is far superior on a Uniprocessor system > and > > FreeBSD-5+ may be an entire re-write away > from > > ever being any good at MP. Come to terms with > it, > > PLEASE, because it is the case and saying > > otherwise won't change it. > > > > My prediction is that a year from now we'll > all > > be using DragonflyBSD and you guys will be > > looking for a new bunch of beta-test guinea > pigs. > > > > DT > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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