From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 18 0:22:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst330.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst330.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F05ED37B417 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23015 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2001 07:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010918072211.23014.qmail@nwcst330.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.75 by nwcst330 for [165.212.15.106] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.21.01) on Tue Sep 18 07:22:11 GMT 2001 Date: 18 Sep 2001 01:22:11 MDT From: J S To: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: ot - petition regarding last weeks attacks X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.21.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i apologize for posting to multiple lists and that this is off = topic, but i felt that this should be spread to as many people as possible. what ever your feelings are regarding this, i am not out to insult or infuriate anyone, i am only asking for caution. my heart goes out to all that were affected by last week's tragedy. thanks joshua ------------------------------------------------------------------ Please sign The Petition at http://home.uchicago.edu/~dhpicker/petition which appeals to world leaders to be level-headed and, wherever possible, peaceful in their response to the recent attack against the United States. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. The signatures logged by the website above will be forwarded to leaders around the world. It is imperative that we act quickly to prevent war!!! Thank you. Joshua Smith, CCNA Data Center Technian USA.NET "Walk with me through the Universe, And along the way see how all of us are Connected. Feast the eyes of your Soul, On the Love that abounds. In all places at once, seemingly endless, Like your own existence." - Stephen Hawking - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 18 13:17: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.elender.hu (bendeguz.elender.hu [212.108.200.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E50237B409 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobile.sgsystem.com (m024-sopron.dial.elender.hu [212.108.216.216]) by mail.elender.hu with ESMTP id WAA14253; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost.sgsystem.com [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.sgsystem.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF27839; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:16:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:16:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Gabor Suveg To: Cc: Subject: Hungarian BSD Association Message-ID: <20010918220955.Q1618-100000@mobile.sgsystem.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD - the power to serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Our local user group, the Hungarian BSD Association attended the GNU/Linux conference last Saturday here in Budapest, Hungary. Our participation was an unquestionable success - our table was rounded by dozens of people continously, inquiring after BSD. Our chairman, Gabor Zahemszky hold a long course in one of the conference rooms; the room was full. Two computers could be seen at our table: one with FreeBSD 4.4 and one with NetBSD 1.5.2. The FreeBSD box ran multiple jails; /etc/ttys was modified so by logging in at different vtys, you found yourself in different jails. The third vty was a complete Debian Potato system under linuxemu - our enquiers were impressed. There was also a fullscreen divx movie. The NetBSD box drove 6 CD writers, we used it to copy BSD CDs (more than 200 of them were handed out). Now everyone is speaking about the conference, in phorums, on the IRC, etc. They say that the conference itself wasn't perfect, but the BSD stuff was amazing and our presentation was the most professional (yeah, Gabor is a professed Unix teacher ;)). We started to organize our things last summer, when Julian Elischer (who spent some months here several times) gave us a lesson on FreeBSD kernel debugging. Our BSD.hu portal started that time. The association was founded in November. Since then, the membership of the local freebsd mailing list has been doubled (~200-250), linux portals have started to carry BSD-specific news and articles, hundreds of BSD CDs have been burnt. Several Hungarian guys appeared in the GNATS database (filling send-pr) or in the ports tree (submitting new ports). Not a big thing in itself, but we're happy to see them. There are lots of good Linux guys here and a lot of them are moving to BSD now, or at least they will try to make their work less linux-specific (Zorp and mplayer are two examples). I was glad to hear that there are BSD programmers here, too (not committers though). Eg. http://kombain.sf.net seems to be interesting. We are aware of several (security) consultand companies that prefer BSD; some ISPs are using it, too, as well as our famous (well, famous here, around Hungary) FTP server, ftp.fsn.hu. BSD is like a legend here these days. Some pictures from the conference: http://shooby.gnome.hu/sebastien/ best wishes, Gabor Suveg vice-chairman -- Unix isn't just #include , i386, ILP32, ELF, ...! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 14: 6:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF5437B407; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.demon.co.uk ([194.222.171.207] helo=chemicalterrorism.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15joXh-000GNE-0A; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:06:09 +0000 Received: from pain (pain.chemicalterrorism.com [192.168.0.3]) by chemicalterrorism.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 73E66F4C4; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:04:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Si" To: Cc: Subject: Banner Exchanges Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:04:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Ok, So we've got VA Linux and there banner exchange program. I actually subscribe to this on many websites since its the only open source exchange program I know of. So I figure we need a *BSD program, but without (probably) any rewards, would anyone one even, the open/net *BSD folks be interested in setting something like this up as I for one think it would with the right distribution give more of the 'limelight' to *BSDs.... Any thoughts, comments, existing sort of ideas ? Cheers, Si. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 21:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18EF37B428; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f8K4jv628415; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Si" , Cc: Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c1418f$238f30c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Si, What are you possibly talking about?!?!? I went to VA Linux's website and I see no banners there. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Si >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:05 PM >To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Banner Exchanges > > >Hi, > >Ok, So we've got VA Linux and there banner exchange program. I actually >subscribe to this on many websites since its the only open source exchange >program I know of. So I figure we need a *BSD program, but without >(probably) any rewards, would anyone one even, the open/net *BSD folks be >interested in setting something like this up as I for one think it would >with the right distribution give more of the 'limelight' to *BSDs.... > >Any thoughts, comments, existing sort of ideas ? > >Cheers, > > >Si. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 22: 6:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server1.lordlegacy.org (lordlegacy.org [209.61.182.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CF37B405; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sharon ([216.13.207.127]) by server1.lordlegacy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20621; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:17:46 -0500 From: "Stephen Hurd" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Si" , Cc: Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:16:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <006501c1418f$238f30c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello Si, > > What are you possibly talking about?!?!? > > I went to VA Linux's website and I see no banners there. Hmmm... maybe he means the SourceForge banners... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 23:16:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7770737B41E; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id C334814; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A930449A15; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Si , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges In-Reply-To: <006501c1418f$238f30c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG They do some non-profit banner exchanges on their sourceforge.net sites. Daemon News is doing several Banner Exchanges with non-profit BSD sites already, but we don't have a formal program set up. Maybe we should. We can handle the banner ads. Chris Coleman Editor in Chief Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org Open Packages http://www.openpackages.org On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Hello Si, > > What are you possibly talking about?!?!? > > I went to VA Linux's website and I see no banners there. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Si > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:05 PM > >To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > >Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Banner Exchanges > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Ok, So we've got VA Linux and there banner exchange program. I actually > >subscribe to this on many websites since its the only open source exchange > >program I know of. So I figure we need a *BSD program, but without > >(probably) any rewards, would anyone one even, the open/net *BSD folks be > >interested in setting something like this up as I for one think it would > >with the right distribution give more of the 'limelight' to *BSDs.... > > > >Any thoughts, comments, existing sort of ideas ? > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Si. > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 23:20:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA6B37B41E; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f8K6KT628648; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "Si" , , Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:20:29 -0700 Message-ID: <009f01c1419c$582afb40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Coleman [mailto:chrisc@vmunix.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:17 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Si; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges > > >They do some non-profit banner exchanges on their sourceforge.net >sites. Daemon News is doing several Banner Exchanges with non-profit BSD >sites already, but we don't have a formal program set up. Maybe we >should. We can handle the banner ads. > Well - you can do what you want but I've read that the clickthroughs on banner advertising are miserable - in general not worth the time unless your running a porno site or something like that which is generating millions of hits a day. I would be very interested in any stats you can generate as a result of something like this, should you decide to do it. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 19 23:40:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9519837B409; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id DC9EA14; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C471C49A15; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Si , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges In-Reply-To: <009f01c1419c$582afb40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well - you can do what you want but I've read that the clickthroughs > on banner advertising are miserable - in general not worth the time > unless your running a porno site or something like that which is generating > millions of hits a day. > > I would be very interested in any stats you can generate as a result of > something like this, should you decide to do it. Yeah, the industry standard on click-thrus is about 0.6 % We ran the Apple banners as part of their WWDC promotion and averaged about that. However, when we run ads that have "BSD" in them, we get around 2% - 5% click-thru rate. If the ad has run a long time, that goes down of course. We also don't run that many ads. We currently don't have ads on our articles in the DN ezine. The hardest part about running banner ads is trying to sell them. If the banner ad is good, they actually do quite well. We ran a 125 x 125 ad for the "Bastard Operator from Hell" and it had about a 3-4% click thru rate. Here are the stats for your 125 x 125 book ad (FreeBSD Corp Guide) that we are running. Views Clicks Rate 25818 733 2.84% Here are the stats for the bofh book stats. 84577 2873 3.40% Here are the stats for the Apple Ads. 416601 3178 0.76% I expect that if the Apple Ads were targetted towards the BSD community, they might have done better. -Chris Coleman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 20 0:14:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAD237B417; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id E95B214; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20A349A15; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Si , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Views Clicks Rate > 25818 733 2.84% > > Here are the stats for the bofh book stats. > 84577 2873 3.40% > Just to be fair, I thought I'd give out some more information and explain that these are two of the better performing ads that we have. Where they are posted does make a difference as well. We ran the BOFH ad on Daily and we got: 57582 1385 2.41% When we ran the same ad on the front page of the ezine, we got: 26999 1489 5.52% Most of this has to do with the number or unique visitors we get to the front page of the ezine vs Daily. We get alot of repeat visitors to Daily, so the page views go up, but the click thrus don't, because people have already seen the ad several times. Just in case you were wondering, The FreeBSD ads we are running get 1.37% click thru The NetBSD ads we are running get 1.42% click thru. The OpenBSD ads we are running get 1.53% click thru. The Daemon News in house ads get 1.55% click thru. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 20 2: 4:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D4237B408; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f8K94c629342; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "Si" , , Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:04:38 -0700 Message-ID: <00b401c141b3$46dfad60$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wow - that's a lot better than I thought! That's on par with direct mail response rates, quite amazing! Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Coleman [mailto:chrisc@vmunix.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:15 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Si; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges > > >> Views Clicks Rate >> 25818 733 2.84% >> >> Here are the stats for the bofh book stats. >> 84577 2873 3.40% >> > >Just to be fair, I thought I'd give out some more information and explain >that these are two of the better performing ads that we have. > >Where they are posted does make a difference as well. > >We ran the BOFH ad on Daily and we got: > 57582 1385 2.41% > >When we ran the same ad on the front page of the ezine, we got: > 26999 1489 5.52% > >Most of this has to do with the number or unique visitors we get to the >front page of the ezine vs Daily. We get alot of repeat visitors to >Daily, so the page views go up, but the click thrus don't, because people >have already seen the ad several times. > >Just in case you were wondering, > >The FreeBSD ads we are running get 1.37% click thru >The NetBSD ads we are running get 1.42% click thru. >The OpenBSD ads we are running get 1.53% click thru. >The Daemon News in house ads get 1.55% click thru. > >-Chris > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 20 2: 7:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F32E37B40F; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f8K97J629356; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "Si" , , Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00b501c141b3$a6ed3740$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Coleman [mailto:chrisc@vmunix.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:40 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Si; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges > > >Here are the stats for the Apple Ads. > 416601 3178 0.76% > >I expect that if the Apple Ads were targetted towards the BSD community, >they might have done better. > Yep - it's kind of a problem when Steve Jobs gets up at a convention and announces that MacOS X is based on the Linux OS. ;-) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 20 3:14:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8137B418; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-201.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.201] helo=wopr.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15k0pu-000Gr1-00; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:13:38 +0100 Received: from wiggy by wopr.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.21 #2) id 15k0q4-000BqM-00; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:13:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:13:48 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chris Coleman , Si , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Banner Exchanges Message-ID: <20010920111348.C43679@jake.akitanet.co.uk> References: <009f01c1419c$582afb40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <009f01c1419c$582afb40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 11:20:29PM -0700 X-Scanner: exiscan *15k0pu-000Gr1-00*$AK$Ra/W2rwAu/HIu1MQ0QESV.* Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 20, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Well - you can do what you want but I've read that the clickthroughs > on banner advertising are miserable - in general not worth the time > unless your running a porno site or something like that which is generating > millions of hits a day. Translation: "I hate banner ads because although I get suckered into clicking on banners on the porn sites I browse, when I spent 10k with doubleclick last month I didn't get millions of hits on my website" > I would be very interested in any stats you can generate as a result of > something like this, should you decide to do it. Translation: "Please give me some market research for free... " Perhaps I'm getting too cynical. :-) -- PR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 20 21:25: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B95337B414; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f8L4Oi631449; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Paul Robinson" Cc: "Chris Coleman" , "Si" , , Subject: RE: Banner Exchanges Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:24:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c14255$56838dc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <20010920111348.C43679@jake.akitanet.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: wiggy [mailto:wiggy@wopr.akitanet.co.uk]On Behalf Of Paul Robinson >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:14 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Chris Coleman; Si; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; >freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Banner Exchanges > > >On Sep 20, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Well - you can do what you want but I've read that the clickthroughs >> on banner advertising are miserable - in general not worth the time >> unless your running a porno site or something like that which is generating >> millions of hits a day. > >Translation: "I hate banner ads because although I get suckered into >clicking on banners on the porn sites I browse, when I spent 10k with >doubleclick last month I didn't get millions of hits on my website" > No, I get all my porn off Usenet, it's free. Seriously, though, I've never spent a dime on advertising on the Internet. >> I would be very interested in any stats you can generate as a result of >> something like this, should you decide to do it. > >Translation: "Please give me some market research for free... " > Of course. However, it's his choice to give it out and I have no intention of commencing spending on Internet advertising no matter what the results are. You see, I happen to work for an ISP - and I've seen the damage that was done to ISP's by the now-repudiated business plans to hand out Internet access for free in exchange for shoved-down-your-throat banner advertising. As long as I work for an ISP, spending money on banner ads is in effect supporting a paradigm that is in total opposition to what my livlihood is. I may be missing something, but in my life I've observed that advertising-funded businesses are inherently resting on a foundation that's now proven to be unsupportable. You take television. Over the years, TV ads have become more and more ineffectual as people have been trained to ignore them. As a result to get the same effect, "free" TV channels have had to devote more and more of the time of a show to advertising. This is a vicious circle because the more advertising that's displayed, the more desensitized to it the public becomes, the less effective it is, the more must be displayed to maintain the same effect, etc. All the time the funding from the ad revenue is getting less and less, and as the costs of producing TV shows go ever higher, a vise is created which is starving the TV shows of decent funding. As a result, there's more and more crap on TV that nobody wants to watch, which results in lower ratings, which is another vicious cycle. Ultimately TV is going to end up with the advertising being sold for a few cents, and it occupying 60% of the show time, and the shows being produced in sweatshops in the Third World that will be the most boring thing you can imagine. Now, I suppose if you want the Internet to go that way, why then banner ads are a Good Thing I guess. But I would never support them. >Perhaps I'm getting too cynical. :-) > Amateur. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 21 21:54:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2out.giga.net.tw (mail2out.giga.net.tw [203.133.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5339237B40F for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from index (u24-164.u203-203.giga.net.tw [203.203.24.164]) by mail2out.giga.net.tw (Postfix) with SMTP id A651B144D7 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:53:56 +0800 (CST) To: From: gd168@24k.com.tw Subject: 環保雷射碳粉匣專題研究報告 Date: 星期六, 22 九月 2001 12:52:01 +0800 Message-Id: <37156.536124305555200.129214@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 受文者：呈　國立台灣大學暨所屬行政學術研究單位／ 　　　　　　全國各級機關團體／公司行號／公會或個人　請鑒核！ 發文者：企龍辦公用品有限公司　電話：(02)2701-2000 主　旨：使用〔環保雷射碳粉匣〕之優點及採購要點。 說　明：環保雷射碳粉匣之專題研究報告 （一）前言 　　　　　近年來，由於各項相關技術成熟，配合半導體產業篷勃發展 　　　使得雷射印表機價格大幅下滑，各廠商無不壓低價格，以擴大市 　　　場佔有率，再以後續的耗材賺回其利潤，您花在碳粉匣的費用， 　　　長期而言實在是一筆可觀的支出。 　　　　　　　　〔使用環保雷射碳粉匣之三大理由〕 　　　　 (1)技術上已突破：有鑑於碳粉匣和墨水匣需求量不斷成長， 　　　國人五年前開始著手，針對雷射印表機電子寫真技術及碳粉感光 　　　體，進行相關研發工作，研發小組成員皆為博碩士學歷，研發小 　　　組成員針對各大廠牌機器精密結構，已有深度了解，掌握許多相 　　　關技術，對碳粉匣的材料及製程參數有若干改進，以適應台灣亞 　　　熱帶高溫潮濕的氣候環境，經嚴格品管控制，國人所生產的環保 　　　雷射碳粉匣，列印品質和原廠同樣清晰，且不會傷害機器。 　　　　 (2)為環保盡心力：碳粉匣造成對環境的污染與日俱增，人類 　　　應反省覺悟，我們只有一個地球，為全人類及後代子孫，保留一 　　　個乾淨的生存環境，已到刻不容緩的地步！讓我們從校園做起， 　　　一起來回收並使用環保雷射碳粉匣。 　　　　 (3)節省列印費用：根據工商時報 90年4月12日報導指出，用 　　　環保雷射碳粉匣可節省４成左右的費用，不必多花錢。 （二）全球趨勢分析 　　　　　1999年碳粉卡匣再生回收使用比較： 　　　歐美市場再生回收卡匣使用率 ３０％ (約1/3) 　　　台灣市場再生回收卡匣使用率 　５％ 　　　(資料來源：Recharger期刊) 　　　　　台灣約有50萬台雷射印表機，預估每年使用約100∼200萬支 　　　雷射碳粉匣，製造出約2000∼2500公噸固體廢棄物，並且每年這 　　　個數目正在成長。而這些塑膠廢棄物須要超過十個世紀來分解， 　　　對台灣三萬六千平方公里的土地上，造成嚴重的負荷。 　　　　　歐美各國相關環保法令強制規定製造廠商的回收比率，已行 　　　之多年，對於回收業者也有對應的輔助政策，並不斷的教育使用 　　　者回收、減量再利用(Recycle, Reduce, Reuse)的觀念。 　　　　　事實證明，此舉不僅有助於環保且能降低支出，美國已明令 　　　聯邦政府的各單位必須使用環保碳粉匣。 （三）對環境保護及資源回收再利用，具有正面意義 　　　　　　如果製造每個卡匣需要超過三夸脫油，那麼台灣每年就會 　　　用掉近100 萬加崙的石油。如果您換買環保碳粉匣，很明確地， 　　　您已經對保護環境做出貢獻了，因為我們的圾圾場可以減少一個 　　　空間來存放您的卡匣。 　　　　　以台灣目前使用量愈來愈多的雷射印表機而言，每天丟棄的 　　　碳粉匣不知多少，而這些碳粉匣裡的碳粉色劑微粒，尺寸約6-12 　　　微米，卻會滲入地下水，污染水源，若想從水中除去這些碳粉微 　　　粒，就必須加裝特殊濾水設備，因此無論公司企業或學校及個人 　　　都有責任一起來防止碳粉匣污染環境的工作，碳粉匣的回收再利 　　　用，是目前的唯一途徑。 （四）環保碳粉匣之採購要點 　　　　　由於市售環保碳粉匣，供應商過多，各家的品質參差不齊， 　　　敬請認明企龍代理的環保碳粉匣，為目前台灣唯一專業導向之環 　　　保雷射碳粉匣，品質滿意保證，不滿包退，確保消費權益，避免 　　　買到劣質品，選擇企龍，品質有保障！ 　　　採購前務必詢問下列重要參考依據： 　　　1.環保雷射碳粉匣，是否完全以標準製程製造？　製程中，廢碳 　　　　粉槽及相關零件是否清理乾淨並檢試元件性能？ 　　　2.儲粉槽是否完全清潔乾淨後，才重新裝填全新碳粉？ 　　　3.所充填之碳粉，是否為國際間知名碳粉廠出品？ 　　　4.所有儲粉槽，是否以封條密封，完整交付使用人？ 　　　5.碳粉匣是否通過完整而嚴格品管測試後才出廠？ 　　　6.測試用之碳粉是否為外加？　所充填的碳粉數量和原廠碳粉匣 　　　　容量是否相同，會不會短少？ 　　　7.充填之碳粉是否經過精密測試，確認比標準值高才裝填？ 　　　8.所更換之感光鼓是否為國際間知名之高科技廠牌產品？ 　　　9.碳粉匣成品是否以黑色塑膠紙實施避光包裝後，並以氣泡袋或 　　　　特殊襯墊保護，再裝入保護槽，以確保運輸途中乃至使用前， 　　　　不受任何光線其他物理性，化學性傷害？ 　　　　企龍代理的環保雷射碳粉匣業已全數通過上述測試，全面實施 　　　　品質滿意保證再訂購，不滿意保證退貨！ （五）價格資訊：環保雷射碳粉匣之價格已公布於網站，歡迎上網查詢 　　　　　　　　網址：http://clik.to/96969180 （六）聯絡資訊：以上資料由企龍辦公用品有限公司所提供，如需訂購 　　　　　　　　請電：(02)2701-2000我們熱誠的同仁為您服務。 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message