From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 22 21:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01518 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:53:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01504 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:53:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.62]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA66B0; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981222232943.00c1f800@genesis.ispace.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:59:28 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: This just in: Microsoft/Sears Merger Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, David Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-Dec-98 Drew Baxter wrote: > At 06:21 PM 12/22/98 -0600, David Kelly wrote: > See, there's "Work" and then there's "Where I work".. - All Windows (With > exception to the FreeBSD box) and how it's going to stay. Unfortunately > the school sees the idea that machines come with productivity suites, and > OSes, and best of all Smartstuff's Foolproof Security, as important. > Windows unfortunately is what these kids will leave the 8th grade using, > and also will continue using through their Senior year of High School. It > is also very likely what they are going to be using in the work force, if > they continue to reside in Maine. *sigh* This world is doomed =) > This territory is vastly underdeveloped. There's no such thing as a > Classified ad for a Unix tech here, or any sort of Network job that does > not require Microsoft and/or Novell certification. That's just how it is. Well just to add the usual it-doesn't-matter 0.02 cents: at the place where I work, I am one of the three network specialists and then there's this guy whom we contract. This guy, some of core knows him and he knows every major other guru out there in the UNIX world (I am still amazed over that), is the kind of guy that never tires to explain, but boy does he know a lot about UNIX and IP. I have seen him outwit/outsmart every single NT administrator we have at our job (we are the Novell dudes, so... ;). So ye see, it's all about the knowledge actually, and I have seen by now, that most courses concerning MCSE and MCNE don't really hold their feet in the ground against guys like him (sure there are always exceptions). side-note: Novell and FreeBSD works great next to each other =) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message