From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 24 17:49:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10B64D69 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D43A31251 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E01E2114B for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:49:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=IZlPHKYOyD8xVbOTZR9uY7KqzcI=; b=ZFfYS DSl8UKH9CVFzzeTlblQe24XrajQCfKb6qacAatSIjT76qiNYR4DYqJRuev6X7X8q KNmJR8+J0+pIwnLCAjq3NYVWZkMsXONwLLEKdEmmkTZxmaHCV2uyXCV2ke5TN+mR EQZu9V4t5ovsQNYFU3aegI2esxFWeU3D3K3N9M= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id CA02B162767; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:49:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1393264180.28812.87188993.20F1344F@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: QIArhfVcA/zKLOCEtwVqkZyQAOodhGX1epEIY7OQeZxs 1393264180 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-4527a23f Subject: Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:49:40 -0600 In-Reply-To: <530B5DA7.1050902@digsys.bg> References: <20140223211155.GS1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <942222.61849.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <530B5DA7.1050902@digsys.bg> X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:49:44 -0000 On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 8:56, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive email. They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs. > > One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon installation > you have an usable workstation/server environment that can be > immediately used for most Internet-related tasks -- and this most > certainly includes SMTP. Or NTP. Or... used to include DNS. > And one of the warts is our dedication to long support on FreeBSD releases; FreeBSD 8 is still supported with 8.3 and 8.4 releases. RELENG_8 was branched in August of 2009. FreeBSD 8.4 has an estimated EoL of June 30 2015. This is nearly 6 years since the original release -- an incredible amount of time to be maintaining such complex software. (Though I'm aware that Sendmail's release process is rather slow) > We can strip pieces of FreeBSD off and end up with an kernel. Or we > could keep the system very much usable out of the box. > Imagine a world where everything in FreeBSD is a package and we have a working "PROVIDES" framework. Upon installation you can choose the software that "provides" the MTA role. Same for DNS, NTP, database, webserver... That would be a great accomplishment along with a framework to create a master install image utilizing the options/packages you desire. I think this type of thing is definitely plausible if we keep moving forward. My personal opinion remains that complex software is better served/secured/maintained when it is handled in ports not in base.