From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 08:29:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929A0E800CA for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9EC7C130 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7EE06E800C9; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB2E800C8 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CE637C12F; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id 9BFE41DA53; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:29:36 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Don Lewis Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, gshapiro@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <20171207082936.gh26ankyfbckzmkd@ivaldir.net> References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ptwwuo37ejqmwpwd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 08:29:37 -0000 --ptwwuo37ejqmwpwd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 08:16:04PM -0800, Don Lewis wrote: > On 6 Dec, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hi all, > >=20 > > I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of sendmail in bas= e. > >=20 > > Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built WITHOUT= _SENDMAIL > > by default > >=20 > > removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0 > >=20 > > sendmail in base it not really usable as a full featured mta due to the= fact it > > does not support anything an entreprised grade mta setup would require:= ldap > > support for example, check the number of options available in the sendm= ail port. > >=20 > > Users for that use case would be better served by the port version of s= endmail. > >=20 > > The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of sendmail: > > relaying emails externally and deliver locally. >=20 > I've found that sendmail in base meets my needs. I haven't had the need > for any of the features that are only available in the port. >=20 > It doesn't looks like dma(8) would be useful for me on my primary > machines since I basically need its inverse. It would only be useful > on my headless machines to forward cron-generated mail to my mail > server. I don't do any local delivery of mail to mbox files. My mail > server delivers all mail to cyrus-imapd via lmtp, which is a fairly > simple tweak to the sendmail.mc file. I also have a couple of mail > relays that do some smart routing and spam filtering. >=20 > One thing that is comes with sendmail in base but is missing from the > sendmail port is all the handy stuff in /etc/mail, such as the > freebsd.mc template, the aliases file, and the Makefile which makes > maintaining the config files and the .db files much easier. Without > this stuff, setting up the sendmail port would be much more > intimidating. >=20 Yup, It would be a good idea to merge them in the port probably, somone nee= ds to talk to the port maintainer. 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