From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 01:16:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1795106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BFD8FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:16:59 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAOy9Uk+9qj4x/2dsb2JhbABDtE6DJCGBcYgmAp9Dlz0TjSiDIgSIUJ0AgwM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,527,1325484000"; d="scan'208";a="18549654" Received: from nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.117]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 19:01:32 -0600 Received: from dsl-189-170-62-49-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.62.49]) by nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 19:01:31 -0600 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:01:33 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: replacing disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:16:59 -0000 Hi I am replacing an IDE disk (ad0) with a SATA disk (ad4) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 01:39:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03335106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC468FC08 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q241dac5001711; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:39:38 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:39:37 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> In-Reply-To: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203040839.37449.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> Cc: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez Subject: Re: replacing disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:39:47 -0000 Hi, On Sunday 04 March 2012 08:01:33 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > > I am replacing an IDE disk (ad0) with a SATA disk (ad4) what did you want to tell us? If you still have the old one, copy the data over. Of course, you need a kernel which can use SATA. fstab, maybe rc.conf should be adapted. What did I miss? Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 01:47:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048FE106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5528FC0A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:47:46 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJzIUk+9qj4x/2dsb2JhbABCtEGDBAEBBYEJCxguVyKHfgIJuDQTjSiDIgSIHTOdAIMD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,527,1325484000"; d="scan'208";a="19092592" Received: from nlpiport23.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.97]) by nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 19:47:37 -0600 Received: from dsl-189-170-62-49-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.62.49]) by nlpiport23.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 19:47:37 -0600 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:47:39 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> In-Reply-To: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201203031847.39512.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: Re: replacing disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:47:47 -0000 On Saturday 03 March 2012 18:01:33 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > Hi > > I am replacing an IDE disk (ad0) with a SATA disk (ad4) Sorry, I send it and I even notice In the disk I have 3 OS (FreeDOS, XP and FreeBSD) I use PartitionWizard to create the 3 slice in the new disk (ad4) I use ghost.exe (2003 version) to pass FreeDOS and XP to the new slices in ad4 I boot in FreeBSD (in ad0) and with sysinstall, create the partitions in ad4 and using the next commands, I pass the info in my 4 partiotios (/ /tmp /var /usr) newfs /dev/ad4s3a mount /dev/ad4s3a /mnt cd /mnt dump 0af - / | restore rf - I modify /mnt/etc/fstab to reflect ad4 as the only disk I turn off the PC, remove ad0 disk and turn on the PC, but FreeBSD do not boot I forgot to mention taht I had activated the 3rd slice of the disk, if I activate the 1st slice, FreeDOS boot So I reconect ad0 and boot FreeBSD (from ad0) and use the next command bsdlabel -B /dev/ad4s3 But do not work either. Do I really need to reinstall the OS on the new disk ad4 and tranfer my info with the commands as described in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NEW-HUGE-DISK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 03:28:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A733C1065673 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw02.mailroute.net [199.89.0.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898C88FC0A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F981DF549; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:28:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw02.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E831DF548; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:28:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E7D332FB3; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 19:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Robert Simmons References: <86fwdqvf2x.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20120302171631.775dd715@scorpio> <867gz2vdtg.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20120302182156.58c10d82@scorpio> <4F515B24.9050406@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120303071958.0c963330@scorpio> <4F52134E.1090408@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120303083141.1975c60c@scorpio> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.3.7; tzolkin = 10 Manik; haab = 15 Kayab Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:28:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Robert Simmons's message of "Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:33:42 -0500") Message-ID: <86r4x9oxik.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: openssl from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:28:27 -0000 >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Simmons writes: Robert> I'm replying off-list. No need to reply this back onto the Robert> list. Eh? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 03:55:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D984A106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E198FC13 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q243tXLI005368; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 20:55:37 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:55:30 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> <201203031847.39512.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> In-Reply-To: <201203031847.39512.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203041055.30354.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez Subject: Re: replacing disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:55:40 -0000 Hi, On Sunday 04 March 2012 08:47:39 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > On Saturday 03 March 2012 18:01:33 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > > > > In the disk I have 3 OS (FreeDOS, XP and FreeBSD) > I never used any other operating system on a machine with FreeBSD. So, my comments could be off. > I use PartitionWizard to create the 3 slice in the new disk (ad4) Should work. > > I use ghost.exe (2003 version) to pass FreeDOS and XP to the new slices in ad4 > Should also have worked. > I boot in FreeBSD (in ad0) and with sysinstall, create the partitions in ad4 > and using the next commands, I pass the info in my 4 partiotios > (/ /tmp /var /usr) > Ok, I have had once a problem with doing this too. I never found out why. Can you do this by hand from your running FreeBSD installation? > newfs /dev/ad4s3a > mount /dev/ad4s3a /mnt > cd /mnt > dump 0af - / | restore rf - I do not see when you wrote the MBR with bootable code. bsdlabel -B will do the job. Erich > > I modify /mnt/etc/fstab to reflect ad4 as the only disk > > I turn off the PC, remove ad0 disk and turn on the PC, but FreeBSD do not boot > > I forgot to mention taht I had activated the 3rd slice of the disk, if I > activate the 1st slice, FreeDOS boot > > So I reconect ad0 and boot FreeBSD (from ad0) and use the next command > > bsdlabel -B /dev/ad4s3 Ok, you did it. One other thing. I used either dd when copying the disk. Most of the time, I even use rsync. It takes forever but I can continue my normal work. > > But do not work either. > > Do I really need to reinstall the OS on the new disk ad4 and tranfer my info > with the commands as described in > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NEW-HUGE-DISK This works always but copying properly the old disk must also work. One question again. Does your kernel support SATA? If not, it will not work. If it is a GENERIC kernel, it does. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 04:06:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A4F106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4D38FC08 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:06:22 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAC7pUk+9qj4x/2dsb2JhbABDsVKCfIMEAQEFgQkLGC5XiCACtwUTjSiDIgSIHTOdAIMD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,527,1325484000"; d="scan'208";a="18570009" Received: from nlpiport19.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.84]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 22:06:21 -0600 Received: from dsl-189-170-62-49-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.62.49]) by nlpiport19.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2012 22:06:21 -0600 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:06:24 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201203031801.34046.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> <201203031847.39512.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> <201203041055.30354.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201203041055.30354.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201203032106.24521.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: Re: replacing disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:06:23 -0000 On Saturday 03 March 2012 20:55:30 Erich Dollansky wrote: > > One question again. Does your kernel support SATA? > > If not, it will not work. If it is a GENERIC kernel, it does. > > Erich Yes, it is the GENERIC Does /boot/boot1 should be different in ad0 and ad4? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 04:36:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD20B106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631398FC14 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so1734471wib.13 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of illoai@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.100.33; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of illoai@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=illoai@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=illoai@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.100.33]) by 10.180.100.33 with SMTP id ev1mr8995006wib.3.1330835781549 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ucebLlX7Ubp5g2wx/93Be391jaT9z8q5bkV5Wgrhs1A=; b=TYAy+VkdiqIxa4XWU8KUjjZkUXDOpM+qd7VJKkf6NccOEPN3xzku3oo2MJizInA5fx 4sYRjB+Kk1FGJzSB3xWZZVurVnTbiV2KgdEALl316ptQ+5EENyOWKqSoferxd0WEs4IM RQ0TetZmX/gQ0cft0ZP05+N753hsdtsliEnijacYDw76Xu+0BJKRCJTvjZx3AZieM3Vk jMLduJtynWMHSSZEnqD137aTBhfhAWnZi7mntp5CRqVQjciGGkplGrgHORP7z0UtkgCR CwsQ4gn0IEF0P+cIkkZ44igs/+pakIPDIfMUN85caCDbt2q+lCBJg04txVuTjFSCPIRc 9AGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.100.33 with SMTP id ev1mr7229394wib.3.1330835781425; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.5.142 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F52744D.8060904@growveg.net> References: <4F51232F.8090105@growveg.net> <4F52744D.8060904@growveg.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 23:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make install fails for /usr/ports/security/sudo after downgrade from 9.0-R to 8-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:36:22 -0000 On 3 March 2012 14:43, FreeBSD Mailing Lists wrote: > On 03/03/12 12:31, illoai@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Stale header files in /usr/include maybe? > > > Hi, > > Yes that's it. It seems got changed to between 8.2 and > 9.0. Fixed by csup of 9.0-R and doing the buildworld buildkernel etc. > Hmm, I would think that merely removing the offending file and copying the correct one from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/ would suffice. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 07:07:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D2C1065674 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9A18FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S45XW-0003xn-Pp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:07:31 +0100 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:07:30 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:07:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1) Subject: XFCE - how to edit menu ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:07:40 -0000 Hi, I find it annoying having same items listed in multiple menus, e.g. - Accessories - Bulk Rename Orage Globaltime Terminal Thunar File Manager Help - Office - Orage Globaltime - System - Bulk Rename Terminal Thunar File Manager - Applications Menu - Help How can I edit the menus ? Also, how to rename Applications Menu to e.g. just Menu as it would better reflect applications and system (utilities) components ? FB9-release, XFCE 4.8 jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 07:40:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BD7106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@growveg.net) Received: from smtp1.servage.net (smtp1.servage.net [IPv6:2a01:3b0:1:fb:1::2001]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944518FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from potato.growveg.org (potato.growveg.org [62.49.247.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.servage.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01FB632190; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F531C7F.2020709@growveg.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:40:47 +0000 From: John User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120303 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "illoai@gmail.com" References: <4F51232F.8090105@growveg.net> <4F52744D.8060904@growveg.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make install fails for /usr/ports/security/sudo after downgrade from 9.0-R to 8-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:40:17 -0000 On 04/03/2012 04:36, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > Hmm, I would think that merely removing the offending file > and copying the correct one from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/ > would suffice. I dunno, I don't think so. Why would it not be installed in the downgrade process? Also, the filenames aren't the same but the functionality (as far as I know) is. It might not have been the only thing broken. Downgrading across minor versions is simple and usually painless but there was a heads-up for the change from utmp.h to utmpx.h in -current back in January so I guess it was considered a major, low-level change and the downgrade couldn't work with that. Anyhow, rebuilding to 9-R has fixed everything as far as I can see, so I'm happy ;) -- freebsd at growveg dot net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 08:10:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99476106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793FB8FC14 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q248AsjJ098671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q248AsWa098670; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00643; Sun, 4 Mar 12 00:00:15 PST Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:59:59 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: jb.1234abcd@gmail.com Message-Id: <4f53836f.GFHniMovSPW7g1y7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFCE - how to edit menu ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:10:54 -0000 jb wrote: > How can I edit the menus ? > Also, how to rename Applications Menu to e.g. just Menu as > it would better reflect applications and system (utilities) > components ? > > FB9-release, XFCE 4.8 Dunno how FreeBSD's XFCE port does this since I don't use XFCE, but it could be using x11-wm/wmconfig. The manpage is reasonably descriptive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 08:28:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DBB106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C068FC08 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S46nN-0000Bo-Qj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:27:58 +0100 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:27:57 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:27:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1) Subject: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:28:04 -0000 Hi, some month ago I saw PC-BSD 9 release announcement and was curious enough to try it. Also, it received a good review on some mostly Linux oriented web site. The installation was very pleasant thanks to its installer - a very impressive software component (considering rather spartan installers in FreeBSD) and a good and inviting intro to the OS for a user. The good impression continued into presence of other components, which were listed in their announcement. But ..., the charm disappeared when I (intentionally ?) pulled ethernet plug and started update manager ... The system went into some twilight zone, making the desktop unresponsive, from which I could not recover, even by trying to kill offending processes I had no clue about as a first time user. Unusable. OK. The usual stuff - software released, but not tested. Perhaps a method in it, like "...if the product is not tested enough, we can count on users to get angry, and they will subscribe to our lists, and become active devs. and testers, and users, and ...". Who knows ... But then I am missing it. My romance ended very quickly, on the first date. A few days ago I read this, from a good, minimum-functional-tests-must-pass, some wit but no-nonsense reviewer: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pc-bsd-9.html Well, "Radioactive", "The shortest experience ever!". Does it matter to FreeBSD ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 08:54:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BE9106566B for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidianwalker@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD04E8FC13 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so5668699iah.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davidianwalker@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.44.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davidianwalker@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davidianwalker@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=davidianwalker@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.43.44.69]) by 10.43.44.69 with SMTP id uf5mr10739742icb.41.1330851264192 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:54:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZZF+HCdpUXlyfJh/Cht1ejO81GohGCrLNYC960AtKFU=; b=vpbx+fXsaMTXLuO+ZazeF0vvTcYobzW4pmeTziVvPfHBF8lFRdgpUpDZyHuhdUhg4A oHlpLZn4gmNbwpMitIf1MWH5nXh1VMl6aJxq8enNAwiXFmmWB5wLHIA979JPDabzR1M/ 5eKrkoftpgkXg2C0IC2876hoVCxeCjQDJHTs2kFTQJ32akp1hGUQXHKpk+o/8hbbKFXT Fhm7AtU80izqzf2F/UsNiG5zvEHIKb0gOoIzYvK0A/6QAQaBLWic+rGxlPi6AzZb+9lc vSKypGKwZwmleo34z6WDTnuiYfz4woC3yvLT58uQmfdMPOEsRdW+HWvYkAqr7jb6naPY oANA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.44.69 with SMTP id uf5mr8824891icb.41.1330851264062; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.96.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:54:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:24:23 +1030 Message-ID: From: David Walker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:54:25 -0000 Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 nzp at riseup.net > If you did it the normal way Please define normal. As per the way you do it? Surely that's not what you mean right? As per the handbook? As per the man pages? As per the way I usually do it? I'm new here so I don't have a normal way other than spending hours reading documentation ... and telling myself that everything that goes wrong is probably my fault. That's my normal way when I'm using new software. That's also my normal way when I'm familiar with something. Please tell me if that methodology is not as good as yours ... > with bsdinstall then I guess everything > would install correctly. I guess that also. Please read man sysinstall for me and point out why I should be guessing whether or not system utilities are intended to function as described. Replies to the list are fine. > But anyway, you can use the other methods > mentioned in the handbook. ... and anyway, if cp(1) fails I can use dump(8) instead. Problem solved. > Doing it with > # portsnap fetch extract > seems the most straight forward way to me. Sysinstall seems the most straight forward way to me. It might be of interest to you that after spending an hour or so with sysinstall I proceeded to spend an hour or so with portsnap before it appeared to work. My undocumented experience with it and what you apparently consider are normal and/or straight forward, seem, under the circumstances, of no import. If you want to espouse an opposing view without explanation or ridicule my methodology, knock yourself out but please do it like I'm your friend. A simple "use portsnap you clown" probably would have done it for me and put a smile on my face. In my experience that's the "normal" and "most straight forward" way someone who respects me might approach this ... Best wishes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 17:05:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CB11065670 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6708FC18 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (politkovskaja.torservers.net [77.247.181.165]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EB0D5B16 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:05:10 +0400 (MSK) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:04:43 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120304170443.GB15793@external.screwed.box> References: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB04DE85@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB04DE85@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: lighttpd + php + external mssql server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:05:20 -0000 Hello. 2012/03/03 00:32:40 +0000 Graeme Dargie => To 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' : GD> I am just looking for some advice or hints if anyone has a clue how to make a FreeBSD server running lighttpd + php5 connect to an instance of MS SQL 2008 R2. GD> GD> I have already installed php-extensions for mssql but when I try and run a connection from the FreeBSD server it gives a http 500 GD> The error log has this GD> 2012-03-02 18:20:09: (mod_fastcgi.c.2699) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function mssql_connect() in /usr/local/www/data/ GD> GD> Php -m shows mssql as installed. 1) Command-line php and fastcgi php are able to have a different set of extensions. Look at the phpinfo() output from your fastcgi if it has an mssql extension. 2) You may want to try an ODBTP extension for mssql connectivity which supports mssql features like 'go' clause batch runs and scroll cursors with fetching from them on the contrast to the 'traditional' dblib-based mssql php extension. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 18:38:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A917106564A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AE88FC13 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2DF50B56 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 687E5198 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:38:51 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120304183851.GA7221@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:38:57 -0000 On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 07:24:23PM +1030, David Walker wrote: > Nikola Pavlović nzp at riseup.net > > If you did it the normal way > > Please define normal. > > As per the way you do it? Surely that's not what you mean right? > > As per the handbook? > As per the man pages? Believe it or not, reading my answer when it came back through the list that was my thought too ('Damn, I should have been clearer what "normal" means). :) In this particular case 'normal' meant 'as per what bsdinstall suggested'. > > As per the way I usually do it? > I'm new here so I don't have a normal way other than spending hours > reading documentation ... and telling myself that everything that goes > wrong is probably my fault. > That's my normal way when I'm using new software. > Well, if you do everything the docs tell you to, then there is no reason to think it's your fault. > That's also my normal way when I'm familiar with something. > Please tell me if that methodology is not as good as yours ... > > > with bsdinstall then I guess everything > > would install correctly. > > I guess that also. > Please read man sysinstall for me and point out why I should be > guessing whether or not system utilities are intended to function as > described. I agree completely. This is a case of the 'no documentation is better than wrong documentation' rule. The Handbook and man page should clearly point out that sysinstall doesn't work with the new distribution packaging. At any rate, once you step into 9.x land you should forget about sysinstall. Hey, a mailing list is *a kind of* documentation too. ;) > Replies to the list are fine. > > > But anyway, you can use the other methods > > mentioned in the handbook. > > ... and anyway, if cp(1) fails I can use dump(8) instead. > Problem solved. I don't understand why you are dumping your frustration on me. I assure you I'm not responsible for documentation. :) And cp/dump analogy is a bit flawed, they are different tools for different jobs, while the other methods of installing the ports tree are just using a few different tools that are *meant* for the job. > > > Doing it with > > > # portsnap fetch extract > > > seems the most straight forward way to me. > > Sysinstall seems the most straight forward way to me. > > It might be of interest to you that after spending an hour or so with > sysinstall I proceeded to spend an hour or so with portsnap before it > appeared to work. What was the problem? > My undocumented experience with it and what you apparently consider > are normal and/or straight forward, seem, under the circumstances, of > no import. > > If you want to espouse an opposing view without explanation or > ridicule my methodology, knock yourself out but please do it like I'm > your friend. Um, what? What opposing view? Ridicule?! Whatisthisidonteven... > A simple "use portsnap you clown" probably would have done it for me > and put a smile on my face. Why would I call you a clown if I don't think you are one? I don't usually ridicule strangers, but when I do, I make sure there's a reason for ridicule. > In my experience that's the "normal" and "most straight forward" way > someone who respects me might approach this ... > OK, here goes: (in Nelson Muntz's voice) Haha, you clown, that's what you get for believing what documentation says. Use a magnetized needle and a steady hand you buffoon! There. I respect! :) -- Laissez Faire Economics is the theory that if each acts like a vulture, all will end as doves. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 19:16:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C0B106564A; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F758FC08; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so2586989wer.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of naylor.b.david@gmail.com designates 10.216.137.163 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.137.163; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of naylor.b.david@gmail.com designates 10.216.137.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=naylor.b.david@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=naylor.b.david@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.216.137.163]) by 10.216.137.163 with SMTP id y35mr4789376wei.33.1330888569977 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=eD8CCRvxvIXTvJtEs88rsqE6nkNGDTZO0IZnP9R/vVU=; b=C11MWwhVAuqI2gOmQx0KIf00uJ9GsK6h5a1g9MdDaufG2Xtf3O1HkIx1jhdNtglcCE ZFWy328X/uZbJgSK7Gj1kny7UGjdROL5nEXIaRx44ixfYMa+cVKvnd9VW6u1LEaqsOiR oHf6SQWJPy09L0+KIXn8gbqH7uDUX8j1z/7T6r5ZXRKyLc07yHCseRQ6hL4uXfoe2+CH Iw2HoEmVeakv63BfiyJ0SuPWwXXlv90/Fr3TQbGv5Ww8ZlgVArffYaPxb4gtZwhzVMpI fpIGlPGsmpRlrkis75jic6HIkB+r/cyyTYY70kSV7b1cE7bQTeLASow4xVUxHFhB0Ys8 tk9A== Received: by 10.216.137.163 with SMTP id y35mr3849856wei.33.1330888569837; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-92-120.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.92.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf3sm16381688wib.6.2012.03.04.11.16.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:16:06 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-STABLE; KDE/4.7.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2305011.aE2gvsgd9B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:16:11 -0000 --nextPart2305011.aE2gvsgd9B Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users). The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) = 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) = a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh --nextPart2305011.aE2gvsgd9B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk9Tv3kACgkQUaaFgP9pFrIpAACfdg5x8+z/4UXA5DijYx09GTas C5IAn1pQLhmCMMo1EkfYOkW6I2t6JzsY =8LoK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2305011.aE2gvsgd9B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 19:38:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130F31065672 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D7A8FC08 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6284701iah.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of olivares14031@gmail.com designates 10.42.108.202 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.108.202; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of olivares14031@gmail.com designates 10.42.108.202 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=olivares14031@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=olivares14031@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.42.108.202]) by 10.42.108.202 with SMTP id i10mr11447206icp.39.1330889881293 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:38:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hJbOCLDWdFXVrZbj4/JFGdOTnxLr/sd48S68i3a0kZg=; b=hw+UN46vnOknFRnLFeWi1CetEb8Pjpw4zps0GRVT7PzHbP/ibUE6XoSKTL9Wjp/Q90 IAaAQSqk7JSgat60kjyYaPdk4QgKiMOqwnA7uVCJpNrboPBI2SuBkNZUAotYRCSs4gp0 rCYy01GcC6yvwbfBy3StWSvpUaJfIhHk7NlBEGh7ulsvmYjY6DGWuyCC6X8Vc5UbRvkv 0tDkwNStQPJq+9/G/yiu03gaoKDYsnilBSex8L67wFoWapL36AT6IjNhro9da5vfGmbv vA9RN8gr0hu9amjN4Z9sA26ER3JNemKZfnIRU5jBhoyAT1j2KyWTa+zUxDiGZqqe5yr6 4Ptg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.108.202 with SMTP id i10mr9425211icp.39.1330889881223; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.187.137 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:38:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:38:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ! Undefined control sequence. \pgfsetplottension ...ttension {\pgf@sys@tonumber \pgf@x } X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:38:02 -0000 Dear folks, I have been trying to learn tikz as illustrated in the following pages: http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/feature/mathematical-engine/ more specifically I get the error in the subject title with the spiral example posted here: http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/fibonacci-spiral/ [olivares@quadcore ~/tmp]$ latex spiral.tex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (./spiral.tex LaTeX2e <2011/06/27> Babel and hyphenation patterns for english, dumylang, nohyphenation, ge rman-x-2011-07-01, ngerman-x-2011-07-01, afrikaans, ancientgreek, ibycus, arabi c, armenian, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danis h, dutch, ukenglish, usenglishmax, esperanto, estonian, ethiopic, farsi, finnis h, french, galician, german, ngerman, swissgerman, monogreek, greek, hungarian, icelandic, assamese, bengali, gujarati, hindi, kannada, malayalam, marathi, or iya, panjabi, tamil, telugu, indonesian, interlingua, irish, italian, kurmanji, lao, latin, latvian, lithuanian, mongolian, mongolianlmc, bokmal, nynorsk, pol ish, portuguese, romanian, russian, sanskrit, serbian, serbianc, slovak, sloven ian, spanish, swedish, turkish, turkmen, ukrainian, uppersorbian, welsh, loaded . (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/minimal.cls Document Class: minimal 2001/05/25 Standard LaTeX minimal class ) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amsmath/amsmath.sty For additional information on amsmath, use the `?' option. (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amsmath/amstext.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amsmath/amsgen.sty)) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amsmath/amsbsy.sty) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amsmath/amsopn.sty)) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/pgf/pgf.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.cfg) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def))) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.cfg))) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/pgf/utilities/pgffor.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/pgf/utilities/pgfrcs.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-common.tex) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-latex.def (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/ms/everyshi.sty)) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfrcs.code.tex)) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/pgf/utilities/pgfkeys.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfkeys.code.tex (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfkeysfiltered.code.tex ))) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgffor.code.tex)) (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz/tikz.code.tex (/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/libraries/pgflibraryplothandlers.c ode.tex ! Undefined control sequence. \pgfsetplottension ...ttension {\pgf@sys@tonumber \pgf@x } l.104 \pgfsetplottension{0.5} ? x No pages of output. Transcript written on spiral.log. I am using texlive from freebsd-texlive project: https://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ and this error happens on both 8.2 now 8.3-BETA1 boxes and not in 9.0 box :( It appears to be issue 19 here: http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/issues/detail?id=19 Ideas as to how to solve it? I have removed print/texlive-pgf/ port and reinstalled it and it still gives same error. Relevant information from thread in issue 19 in case it is important: [olivares@quadcore ~/tmp]$ latex --version pdfTeX 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011) kpathsea version 6.0.1 Copyright 2011 Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the Lesser GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). Compiled with libpng 1.5.2; using libpng 1.5.2 Compiled with zlib 1.2.5; using zlib 1.2.5 Compiled with xpdf version 3.02pl5 Thanks, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 20:08:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB511065670; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward20.mail.yandex.net (forward20.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487448FC14; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp18.mail.yandex.net (smtp18.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.18]) by forward20.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5AF071041877; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:08:42 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1330891722; bh=xWH91kltiZeU2ZmcATlOWoy9qRzKJCNrf05xARxBzno=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pFrMoo5k7+vT8psMIqMBjLRFEY9GSSK93DxYtmkomZjf3T1j/2Hjxz23MZ5abhB6C H3SbRataz2YR4fXZ3H0X4WVWJyY3/t3e+Npu2/6XBETx0Dkt9bmz11OLGekkhyntZQ 9svnGMw5wiVatUGz7DunfMIXmpcEMpy8AqqImwUw= Received: from smtp18.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1A1E418A0199; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:08:42 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1330891722; bh=xWH91kltiZeU2ZmcATlOWoy9qRzKJCNrf05xARxBzno=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pFrMoo5k7+vT8psMIqMBjLRFEY9GSSK93DxYtmkomZjf3T1j/2Hjxz23MZ5abhB6C H3SbRataz2YR4fXZ3H0X4WVWJyY3/t3e+Npu2/6XBETx0Dkt9bmz11OLGekkhyntZQ 9svnGMw5wiVatUGz7DunfMIXmpcEMpy8AqqImwUw= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.20]) by smtp18.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 8fmGkHes-8fmSABtP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:08:41 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:08:50 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <71478795.20120304220850@yandex.ru> To: rozhuk.im@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4f53444e.d12acc0a.3131.1f1c@mx.google.com> References: <292119122.20120228212137@yandex.ru> <755733674.20120303231429@yandex.ru> <4f53444e.d12acc0a.3131.1f1c@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: netisr traffic bad distribution between CPUs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:08:45 -0000 # sysctl net.isr net.isr.numthreads: 4 net.isr.maxprot: 16 net.isr.defaultqlimit: 256 net.isr.maxqlimit: 10240 net.isr.bindthreads: 0 net.isr.maxthreads: 4 net.isr.direct: 0 net.isr.direct_force: 0 and as you see in "netstat -Q" >> Direct dispatch disabled n/a >> Forced direct dispatch disabled n/a >> Threads bound to CPUs disabled n/a rigc> net.isr.dispatch: deferred? >> >> >> # netstat -Q >> Configuration: >> Setting Current Limit >> Thread count 4 4 >> Default queue limit 256 10240 >> Direct dispatch disabled n/a >> Forced direct dispatch disabled n/a >> Threads bound to CPUs disabled n/a >> >> Protocols: >> Name Proto QLimit Policy Flags >> ip 1 1024 flow --- >> igmp 2 256 source --- >> rtsock 3 256 source --- >> arp 7 256 source --- >> ip6 10 256 flow --- >> >> Workstreams: >> WSID CPU Name Len WMark Disp'd HDisp'd QDrops Queued >> Handled >> 0 0 ip 606 1024 0 0 2930711 2377098505 >> 2377097226 >> 0 0 igmp 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 0 0 rtsock 0 251 0 0 0 108579 >> 108579 >> 0 0 arp 0 17 0 0 0 205271 >> 205271 >> 0 0 ip6 0 1 0 0 0 1111 >> 1111 >> 1 1 ip 16 536 0 0 0 758322101 >> 758322085 >> 1 1 igmp 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 1 1 rtsock 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 1 1 arp 0 3 0 0 0 106860 >> 106860 >> 1 1 ip6 0 2 0 0 0 1254 >> 1254 >> 2 2 ip 155 1024 0 0 414966 2378645792 >> 2378645336 >> 2 2 igmp 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 2 2 rtsock 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 2 2 arp 0 11 0 0 0 320116 >> 320116 >> 2 2 ip6 0 1 0 0 0 3557 >> 3557 >> 3 3 ip 0 1024 0 0 5774 2108548645 >> 2108548645 >> 3 3 igmp 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 3 3 rtsock 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 >> 3 3 arp 0 12 0 0 0 672284 >> 672284 >> 3 3 ip6 0 3 0 0 0 13870 >> 13870 >> -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 20:23:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D3C1065677 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from newmail.codefab.com (rrcs-24-103-228-244.nyc.biz.rr.com [24.103.228.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0228FC21 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7474811ECA853; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Received: from newmail.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (staging.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PEHptC8Npv7q; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-71-190-66-124.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.190.66.124]) by newmail.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB39E11ECA83D; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:06:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:06:02 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:23:25 -0000 On 3/4/2012 3:27 AM, jb wrote: > But ..., the charm disappeared when I (intentionally ?) pulled ethernet plug > and started update manager ... The system went into some twilight zone, making > the desktop unresponsive, from which I could not recover, even by trying to > kill offending processes I had no clue about as a first time user. Unusable. Well, if all you wanted to do was browse the web, and you disable your network connection, then yeah, that's unusable for the purpose. If you couldn't do other things local to the system aside from this update manager, that's a different issue. [ ... ] > A few days ago I read this, from a good, minimum-functional-tests-must-pass, > some wit but no-nonsense reviewer: > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pc-bsd-9.html > Well, "Radioactive", "The shortest experience ever!". > > Does it matter to FreeBSD ? That's a very good question. There are lots of people who are looking for turnkey / "no docs needed" systems, with "give me simplified choices" but "handle obvious errors with a nice dialog window or fix-it 'wizard'", instead of requiring CLI sysadmin experience, reading error logs, and running diagnostic commands to fix things. The usability testing done by you and this dedoimedo reviewer would seem to be best addressed by a wireless-oriented device (maybe with a GNU/Linuxish userland providing bash and screen) such as an Android fondleslab. I suspect that the folks who define usability by such criteria are not using FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) at all, or they quickly evaluate it and then move on at the first major showstopper they come across. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 20:31:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637DC1065676 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E708FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.lan.locolomo.org (gamma.lan.locolomo.org [192.168.0.33]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A0F11C0841 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:31:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F53D104.6060104@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:31:00 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Running OS tftp vs. pxeboot tftp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:31:09 -0000 On 01/03/2012 16:16, Rick Miller wrote: > Hi All, > > Are there significant differences in the implementation between the > tftp client in FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE and the client implementation in > pxeboot.bs? I have no reason to believe there should be any difference. If you believe there is a problem with the supplied pxeboot, you can compile your own. You previusly wrote about VLAN tagging for your pxeboot nodes, but never wrote back if you solved the problem. What's your setup? > I ask because I have encountered a scenario where pxeboot.bs is > tftp'ing boot files from a PXE server and fails in random spots while > attempting to download boot files to start a 8.2-RELEASE install. > When we run the same sequence of tftp gets in a running 8.2-RELEASE > instance continuously, we never received a single failure in a solid > hour of attempts. You should have some log or other traces to debug on the problem, can't help much without. BR, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 20:51:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C2C106566C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150FA8FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so5244453obb.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of vrwmiller@gmail.com designates 10.60.25.37 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.25.37; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of vrwmiller@gmail.com designates 10.60.25.37 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=vrwmiller@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.60.25.37]) by 10.60.25.37 with SMTP id z5mr1255860oef.69.1330894298534 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=74YUI/F9MuHpRIM+xegMYZTYgLWsWBbQy/o3DgZiKz8=; b=l5D4kVzYhf1WnNnpyLu5iSPkidU/FoC8mgjjcCa78EMwDPzoaf7wrgMSaMERiA5/Mo sxOiiu5jwHFs7IeWbmiFFfM+a+uB4cglSokwSAACbURp61iE2MhqxQX5dn3kKqKcOp2P Li8OkbWLGyzln9vO0Gnx4SaqPwFecBoIz5eqKr29C45yXsetEwM9XHS0tdFoctQOeYQF 7tbwgqIj+qW91gBiQU6h0SnyIOqP9Q+lfBM0cl1U+lji/LPKgRwCmdV/s49rS4toT0U5 QaTpnC6b41C75dBdL1XeEQa38PkL6wIZkwnjvjFfGt3RHAH2jWoo5x3ewflbR2ub2gCq 9L7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.25.37 with SMTP id z5mr1161234oef.69.1330894298458; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.106.46 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F53D104.6060104@locolomo.org> References: <4F53D104.6060104@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:51:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _Ji52jM-UW3D-KcnHKoDsJCAMOs Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Running OS tftp vs. pxeboot tftp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:51:39 -0000 Hi Erik, Thanks for getting back to me. The original problem is the same issue...we are still working it, but we've isolated the configuration where the issue manifests itself. It has to do with the FreeBSD pxeboot and Brocade switches. We will continue troubleshooting in our lab. When we've identified a fix/workaround I will be sure to follow up here. On 3/4/12, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote: > On 01/03/2012 16:16, Rick Miller wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Are there significant differences in the implementation between the >> tftp client in FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE and the client implementation in >> pxeboot.bs? > > I have no reason to believe there should be any difference. If you > believe there is a problem with the supplied pxeboot, you can compile > your own. > > You previusly wrote about VLAN tagging for your pxeboot nodes, but never > wrote back if you solved the problem. What's your setup? > >> I ask because I have encountered a scenario where pxeboot.bs is >> tftp'ing boot files from a PXE server and fails in random spots while >> attempting to download boot files to start a 8.2-RELEASE install. >> When we run the same sequence of tftp gets in a running 8.2-RELEASE >> instance continuously, we never received a single failure in a solid >> hour of attempts. > > You should have some log or other traces to debug on the problem, can't > help much without. > > BR, Erik > > -- > M: +34 666 334 818 > T: +34 915 211 157 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Sent from my mobile device Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 21:24:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F48106566C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2058FC13 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S4IuL-0006IC-VK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:24:00 +0100 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:23:57 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:23:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1) Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:24:05 -0000 Chuck Swiger mac.com> writes: > ... > There are lots of people who are looking for turnkey / "no docs needed" > systems, with "give me simplified choices" but "handle obvious errors with a > nice dialog window or fix-it 'wizard'", instead of requiring CLI sysadmin > experience, reading error logs, and running diagnostic commands to fix things. > ... Well, the PC-BSD team set these goals for themselves: "PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating system, based on FreeBSD. To accomplish this, it provides a graphical installation to enable even UNIX novices to easily install and get it running." That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. > ... > I suspect that the folks who define usability by such criteria are not using > FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) at all, or they quickly evaluate it and then move on at > the first major showstopper they come across. > ... There were many attractive features implemented. I personally am irritated when I get a software product that breaks on a basic usability test. The argument that something is offered to me for free and so I can not expect it to function here and there does not fly with me. That's a road to nowhere, considering that they do offer it freely. I will test their next public release in more detail. I would love to report back words of praise. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 23:01:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74A7106566C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911878FC1B for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DD75C28 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:14:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 026825C22 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:14:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:56:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:01:22 -0000 On 03/05/12 07:23, jb wrote: > Chuck Swiger mac.com> writes: > >> ... >> There are lots of people who are looking for turnkey / "no docs needed" >> systems, with "give me simplified choices" but "handle obvious errors with a >> nice dialog window or fix-it 'wizard'", instead of requiring CLI sysadmin >> experience, reading error logs, and running diagnostic commands to fix things. >> ... > Well, the PC-BSD team set these goals for themselves: > > "PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating > system, based on FreeBSD. To accomplish this, it provides a graphical > installation to enable even UNIX novices to easily install and get it running." > > That's also an obligation to test it. > PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them a private company. > >> ... >> I suspect that the folks who define usability by such criteria are not using >> FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) at all, or they quickly evaluate it and then move on at >> the first major showstopper they come across. >> ... > There were many attractive features implemented. > I personally am irritated when I get a software product that breaks on a basic > usability test. The argument that something is offered to me for free and so > I can not expect it to function here and there does not fly with me. That's > a road to nowhere, considering that they do offer it freely. > > I will test their next public release in more detail. > I would love to report back words of praise. > jb > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 00:13:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7FD106566C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eam1edward@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053F88FC08 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17so1976591pbc.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eam1edward@gmail.com designates 10.68.191.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.191.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eam1edward@gmail.com designates 10.68.191.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eam1edward@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=eam1edward@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.68.191.230]) by 10.68.191.230 with SMTP id hb6mr41279532pbc.87.1330906386646 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:13:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6JuRgKMJ9A2K89wuqp5HtF4MESFs/5k1TIZsWYPB2L8=; b=IP1FlGVqo7gEpCFFlcFV0Nh45i6pGAJyW1LjbUKXOctu+k+aD7L6T8mkx0xj5SQx80 yLxQacRpWtTo0M9302UCDQd7SfcjRmnC/p14s1ugF1rQNFlOhFiIApauB6Uw3ippVf1B dqiK3tgdtb2WJ7mQKza/gAePeJ4veZqI0+bpsLGtHDXny2CD9ms213LFuGko3H8/vmui YjjfVJHs6hRUnfneDfXcKe/cbupYhps3enQWdZO4+x2VPN7/+GnXrcC32oAjnHlbkQkj U2u+94MWc42cKG5PMSHKCwDJDVpCaFlOhmUdoThRRkNfJCj9IZvDSzkh/JoAFFaPqFHy toxA== Received: by 10.68.191.230 with SMTP id hb6mr35352814pbc.87.1330906386556; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([174.134.109.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm11675362pbc.7.2012.03.04.16.13.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:13:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F53A3D7.5040300@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:18:15 -0800 From: "Edward M." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120225 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:13:07 -0000 On 03/04/2012 12:27 AM, jb wrote: > But ..., the charm disappeared when I (intentionally ?) pulled ethernet plug > and started update manager ... Classic example of fallacious reasoning. update manager needs the internet to access the updates From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 08:42:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AA1106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6635A8FC16 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q258gKVq002614 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:42:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:42:01 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:42:31 -0000 Hello list I want to build packages from ports on AMD64 for use on i386 since the i386 system is; pid 21629 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space When building firefox. Added some swap as a file so it's building as I type. Thinking that the AMD system I can access is a wee more powerfull than the i386, I was thinking in the line of; Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package. Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to? This is the i386; FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz (2524.94-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf27 Family = f Model = 2 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x400 real memory = 537395200 (512 MB) avail memory = 498135040 (475 MB) This is the amd64; FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 user@fqdn:/usr/home/user/disk8/obj/usr/home/user/disk8/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor (3013.63-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x100f63 Family = 10 Model = 6 Stepping = 3 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee500800 AMD Features2=0x37ff TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 17179869184 (16384 MB) avail memory = 16523640832 (15758 MB) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 09:16:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733FF106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eam1edward@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409BC8FC1F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17so2418569pbc.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eam1edward@gmail.com designates 10.68.223.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.223.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eam1edward@gmail.com designates 10.68.223.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eam1edward@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=eam1edward@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.68.223.230]) by 10.68.223.230 with SMTP id qx6mr3178241pbc.29.1330938977054 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:16:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QhjNvaYwEf2I2DdvNaY6psCOjoVAxde6te54yrWryZg=; b=DjWX8skWsKJde06Lxww/KyhbuLbWu5Qk0QaB6/goAN+fcvM/LfqrRnN0rbb6GcRub0 UNlh4KwPXZlmwX+Wwan8EohlhgzhIHvblvgtp+1/C8U3DqCYZ+yhxAgK1SJzynDka0jA BxZbtvvW+oMHPwPildP3tkXgQD3g6pyOzhNz6eBWFbxCiijTC0ALh62xmSC+aY+v6QiJ KCaFg120ZdLKLexqmR65E5SGtta16Jyg9g8G3ZUG2PBPN6zJvSdVgrn9s7rbUyeH5acm t1mBS0a7EYMFlwaQGzqBK+Crxeyg9m9rDUKllfNP+ytQ3XhBnPjPGZ41psRmCkUl05vR 7EWg== Received: by 10.68.223.230 with SMTP id qx6mr2653419pbc.29.1330938976825; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([174.134.109.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o2sm7922397pbb.45.2012.03.05.01.16.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:16:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:20:49 -0800 From: "Edward M." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120225 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:16:17 -0000 On 03/05/2012 12:42 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package. > > Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to? http://filipenf.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/cross-compiling-for-x86-in-freebsd-64-bit/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 09:52:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB930106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBF68FC18 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q259qFs9015841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:52:16 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q259qFs9015841 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1330941136; bh=rm2SQ1KuWpVD5LVvXHivUukq6+UjwUDSWzSGUkHkfc0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=sb+ts5p1L7MCuSIcmJWxIcdlhA9ZJOpb3bvjgXIDIheiqZ/iRHv28SUbLDzW6YPHe 7ZDUYr+ofe2RQE5PQP/hvI3a9oPk4IN1TNXrivYpA4+Qi8K55R4BWXVIV5Pjnf7Qyt wJIw7hM+0KpfgiqUYcVkJWbsXIXTPjjGbPKsYwWo= Message-ID: <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6447D49F8FA75202CDF9A14F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6447D49F8FA75202CDF9A14F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: >> That's also an obligation to test it. >> PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on >> them. > PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling the= m > a private company. No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 pag= e. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig6447D49F8FA75202CDF9A14F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9UjM8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyG6ACeNfXsXl5pbYpToUEriv3zQ0Vc qNgAnintdpMRNGt5If5tketOQFNxUJMr =pmb7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6447D49F8FA75202CDF9A14F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 10:13:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACCB1065672 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugReporter@Haakh.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob6.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob6.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:53f0::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AF58FC0A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:13:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1330942379; l=3236; s=domk; d=haakh.de; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From: Date:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=7ZqOVx2iDI6BPWGwjugilTQaK48=; b=Jh/dt6o05dP7vxrjB5O/YQN3nXOhJRGU6OD+wBTKQzrWR4G0UdhO6FHJtwIXH+aj+uE le5MrjFILZUtZ1U6MPEbvxRkbrm77qbn1Amj2xv5q9NlTMXv409BzuGGqY6tSUFupkFjx E67THE/MX7dwEGM+7kUP31dao/UtGI9rLCE= X-RZG-AUTH: :LWQcbViwW/e6OTbW0dHzwKkCepY3+zAQY9KdRPw9VcHc3bN9H/bwW+KnJjE= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from abaton.Haakh.de (p57A71DC6.dip.t-dialin.net [87.167.29.198]) by post.strato.de (mrclete mo28) (RZmta 27.7 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPA id 305681o259mPOH for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:12:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.63.16] (crabberio.Haakh.de [192.168.63.16]) by abaton.Haakh.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q25ACg6o056988 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:12:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bugReporter@Haakh.de) Message-ID: <4F54919A.6050108@Haakh.de> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:12:42 +0100 From: "Dr. A. Haakh" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120225 Firefox/10.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:13:01 -0000 a quick search revealed following usages: FreeBSD abaton.Haakh.de 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Wed Feb 29 13:49:36 CET 2012 toor@abaton.Haakh.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ABATON i386 ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep '^[[:blank:]]+[gc+]{2,3}[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print cc -D__dead2="" -D__unused="" -Darc4random=random -D__FBSDID="static const char *id=" -DDEFSHELLNAME=\"sh\" -I. -c *.c cc *.o -o pmake /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.dist gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC) >> Makefile.tmp /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/cluster_labs/Makefile gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC) >> Makefile.tmp /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/zencod/Makefile gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC) >> Makefile.tmp /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/ibmca/Makefile cc -I../../include divtest.c -o divtest ../../libcrypto.a cc -g -I../../include bnbug.c -o bnbug ../../libcrypto.a gcc -I../../include -g2 -ggdb -o exptest exptest.c ../../libcrypto.a gcc -I.. -g div.c ../../libcrypto.a /usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto/bn/Makefile cc -g -I../../include -c test.c cc -g -I../../include -o test test.o -L../.. -lcrypto cc -g -I../../include -c pk.c cc -g -I../../include -o pk pk.o -L../.. -lcrypto /usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto/asn1/Makefile gcc -o ${.TARGET} ${_f} -lrt /usr/src/tools/test/dtrace/Makefile c++ -o $@ $< -lpthread /usr/src/tools/regression/pthread/unwind/Makefile gcc -c -o elftls.o ${.CURDIR}/elftls.S gcc -c -o tls-test.o ${.CURDIR}/tls-test-lib.c gcc $(CFLAGS) -rdynamic -o ttls3 ${.CURDIR}/tls-test.c /usr/src/tools/regression/tls/ttls3/Makefile gcc -Wall -o accf_data_attach accf_data_attach.c /usr/src/tools/regression/sockets/accf_data_attach/Makefile gcc $(LDFLAGS) $(DLL_LN_OPTS) ./lib/$*$(DLL_TAG).lib \ gcc $(LDFLAGS) $(DLL_LN_OPTS) ./lib/$*$(DLL_TAG).lib \ /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/Makefile.os2 g++ -c $(ALL_CFLAGS) $(ALL_CPPFLAGS) $< $(OUTPUT_OPTION) g++ -o $@ paranoia.o real.o $(LIBIBERTY) /usr/src/contrib/gcc/Makefile.in gcc -o asyncwatch asyncwatch.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o devinfo devinfo.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o device_list device_list.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o rc_pingpong rc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o srq_pingpong srq_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o uc_pingpong uc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} gcc -o ud_pingpong ud_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} /usr/src/contrib/ofed/libibverbs/examples/Makefile cc -E $$i |\ /usr/src/contrib/libreadline/examples/rlfe/Makefile.in cc -o test ${.CURDIR}/test.c -lrpcsvc /usr/src/usr.sbin/rpc.lockd/Makefile cc -o test test.c -lrpcsvc /usr/src/usr.sbin/rpc.statd/Makefile gcc -g -DSPARC_XXX ${MUL} -o ${.TARGET} gcc -g -DSPARC_XXX ${DIVREM} -o ${.TARGET} /usr/src/lib/libc/quad/TESTS/Makefile cc ${CFLAGS} -static tst01.o -o tst01 libdisk.a /usr/src/lib/libdisk/Makefile gcc -g3 msgring.lex.c msgring.yacc.c -o msgring /usr/src/sys/mips/rmi/Makefile.msgring ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep '^[[:blank:]]+cpp[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print cpp -DOVLY_IRQ_SAVE $(srcdir)/emultempl/spu_ovl.S spu_ovl.s /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/Makefile.in cpp -DOVLY_IRQ_SAVE $(srcdir)/emultempl/spu_ovl.S spu_ovl.s /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/Makefile.am From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 10:43:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786D1106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224C18FC1C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so1715364ggn.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 02:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 10.236.189.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.189.5; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 10.236.189.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jerry@seibercom.net Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.189.5]) by 10.236.189.5 with SMTP id b5mr26054948yhn.93.1330944190177 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 02:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.189.5 with SMTP id b5mr20534444yhn.93.1330944190089; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 02:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p18sm23758021ano.20.2012.03.05.02.43.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 02:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3V1d4W4rFnz2CG5P for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:43:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:43:07 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120305054307.202270a9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmE7DmnPBqlsx0vREfySk4aOANAGSnCCbx2RYnwhtz/sFtEQ+oIUDl7Cd/No87IBCaLxg2P Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:43:11 -0000 On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful > lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While > PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project > founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on > the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the > pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for > support. > > Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 > page. Nothing instills confidence in a potential client like a broken "Support" page with the possible exception of calling a telephone number and finding it has been disconnected. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 10:52:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53561106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26C68FC19 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q25Aq065017182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:52:00 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q25Aq065017182 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1330944720; bh=mmuxL2Jq00w0PfqcMmSeqVTri7/PtRQk+NWkP4qZAa0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=tbZV2cdEo/KYFNVnR8ZRNgTDpD5OBsNNlt/SPOjD8r8sL9TbMrX4cbpnL2jYXEBLq 7T9vnRR3bnAPRiIVzGJ2HwkTGvMTrZAALJRUiLkcqcoTdTUmETwcv+23fG0gS9ve/e bGfaOpSV7c6OCizzQUYgJEwOs45/jXL5hzmI6NZw= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <4F549AC8.4030305@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:51:52 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F54919A.6050108@Haakh.de> In-Reply-To: <4F54919A.6050108@Haakh.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC290EDA2F25A9BF2298A47FF" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:52:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC290EDA2F25A9BF2298A47FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/03/2012 10:12, Dr. A. Haakh wrote: > a quick search revealed following usages: Some of the instances you've found are legitimate, some are in upstream code in contributed software -- the FreeBSD build process may not even use the Makefiles concerned. But, yes on the whole, I think you're on to something that needs fixing here. > FreeBSD abaton.Haakh.de 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Wed Feb 29 > 13:49:36 CET 2012 toor@abaton.Haakh.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ABATON = > i386 >=20 > ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep > '^[[:blank:]]+[gc+]{2,3}[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print [...] > /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.dist > gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC) >> Makefile.tmp Although it doesn't seem to appear in the clang(1) man page, clang supports the -M flag: lucid-nonsense:/tmp:# clang -M hello.c hello.o: hello.c /usr/include/stdio.h /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h \ /usr/include/sys/_null.h /usr/include/sys/_types.h \ /usr/include/machine/_types.h No need for this sort of construct to be gcc specific. > /usr/src/tools/test/dtrace/Makefile > c++ -o $@ $< -lpthread Not sure about this -- the intent may be to test the default system compiler -- as of this last weekend you can install clang(1) as /usr/bin/cc in stable/9, so this isn't necessarily gcc specific. > /usr/src/tools/regression/pthread/unwind/Makefile > gcc -c -o elftls.o ${.CURDIR}/elftls.S > gcc -c -o tls-test.o ${.CURDIR}/tls-test-lib.c > gcc $(CFLAGS) -rdynamic -o ttls3 ${.CURDIR}/tls-test.c Whereas this looks like an oversight to me. > /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/ibmca/Makefile > cc -I../../include divtest.c -o divtest ../../libcrypto.a > cc -g -I../../include bnbug.c -o bnbug ../../libcrypto.a > gcc -I../../include -g2 -ggdb -o exptest exptest.c ../../libcrypto.= a > gcc -I.. -g div.c ../../libcrypto.a /usr/src/crypto holds raw sources imported from upstream; hard-coded compiler names here is a problem the openssl project should address. > /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/Makefile.os2 > g++ -c $(ALL_CFLAGS) $(ALL_CPPFLAGS) $< $(OUTPUT_OPTION) > g++ -o $@ paranoia.o real.o $(LIBIBERTY) Ditto /usr/src/contrib -- raw upstream sources. > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/Makefile.in > gcc -o asyncwatch asyncwatch.c ${CFLAGS} > gcc -o devinfo devinfo.c ${CFLAGS} > gcc -o device_list device_list.c ${CFLAGS} > gcc -o rc_pingpong rc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} > gcc -o srq_pingpong srq_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS} =2E.. although gcc being hardwired in the gcc sources is probably intentional and quite legitimate. I suggest that you repost your question on freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, as that will bring it to the attention of the people both interested in and capable of addressing this sort of problem. Submitting a PR wouldn't go amiss either. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigC290EDA2F25A9BF2298A47FF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9UmtAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwL1ACglEAniZtfy/PLnDiW2mloP3XC hZEAn2ZVyAZKnW5DBrFYbbJTnS0INetb =q+Xb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC290EDA2F25A9BF2298A47FF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 11:41:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A72D1065677 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDBD8FC1E for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFDC5C28 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:54:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 468C15C22 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:54:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F54A530.90904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 21:36:16 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:41:29 -0000 On 03/05/12 19:52, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: >>> That's also an obligation to test it. >>> PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on >>> them. >> PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them >> a private company. > No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot > in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While > PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project > founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the > 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org > site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Yes, but that is sponsorship. That doesn't make it a company. They don't own it. Unlike Oracle with MySQL, Java, and VBox... Or Citrix and Xen... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 11:42:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD4B1065677 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1C28FC1F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so6066339obb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.182.154.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.154.70; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.182.154.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.154.70]) by 10.182.154.70 with SMTP id vm6mr3056209obb.37.1330947716650 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xqx68969BHt+VIBQY5UnT3V6lMjQFkSvScWO6+7wEO0=; b=YVvmn7EOH9PAHyOid0Hss6us7d2pOPfBkB+75qs6OYnTMoBaJNsVDOEWLuEjhGh28z A7ksxoz8rQIb6tV8JvjmUhRM7xdaKzKIF+QiLZfhKJmVaJNvnEsON2rRYVv44ol7wmE7 oyaSlXOMd0QwhgwLAyXKVAAHPH6Z8FBhsubkw9hMlqsS4VTamdEvV1g0Tlwb2PciSnYF ad32V0OvM46mv3C6STxHH58yQ7f2PTTHjKOJWswd5dg4JC/O4T+DrnCD3R7unXVotxl7 eUIUozU6oIJk266wergV4xXOuebPPjxHSUHP6GjAv64AvqCOKiQWRcSV+httK5xSTbc4 1XrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.154.70 with SMTP id vm6mr2746841obb.37.1330947716594; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.92.162 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: David Naylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:42:02 -0000 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor wrote: > Hi, > > Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. > > There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world > (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few > users). > > The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on > installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the > installation messages for further information. > > Regards, > > David > > [1] > MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) = > 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a > MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) = > a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b > [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 > [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh > For any x.exe : wine x.exe is generating the following error : err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"F:\\ ... path ... \\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct ) in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 11:55:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C7A1065670; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:55:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10838FC13; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so2006895qcs.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of naylor.b.david@gmail.com designates 10.229.75.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.75.139; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of naylor.b.david@gmail.com designates 10.229.75.139 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=naylor.b.david@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=naylor.b.david@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.75.139]) by 10.229.75.139 with SMTP id y11mr2459921qcj.69.1330948528908 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TyDqkpYgYyq9ifP+YkXhDe1q3tZdtuMimA8b1aPlWfg=; b=rwS4ac/dNLP3kv4eIMf57E7BOOE9MKqAYH/ZY2DqsBKAe9qmRuVUvcTtZhCnvswyPy tzpxZRgp/Xv+yS4zq7tVb85TfnzDuZSnxp0Yv1qvkaxcFBzh/xfs2InDgXgr0JjK/b0y 2j6KcfGDB9dOlmnVjc7vWF4fue4TyIhYyFq3thdfGvgEs3rIHa2VgYAuwFX6jZfmNZK5 NPljmi/VE8hfKNJyKj3Obv7ebZ9cQkEDvtTbq2fG63NsTujnMEV4jtHW4aL/C9nMpIuy dafP0gBwZIz9nc8JWC+72D38hlMvGL/S9xaPlqLXVatC6nbMXMDq0Ua71k/h1gA0r/ou uV5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.75.139 with SMTP id y11mr2114502qcj.69.1330948528851; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.82.206 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:55:28 +0200 Message-ID: From: David Naylor To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:55:30 -0000 On 5 March 2012 13:41, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrot= e: > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]= . >> >> There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled wor= ld >> (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few >> users). >> >> The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run >> on >> installation (if the relevant files are accessible). =C2=A0Please read t= he >> installation messages for further information. >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> [1] >> =C2=A0MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) =3D >> 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a >> =C2=A0MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) =3D >> a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b >> [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 >> [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh > > > > For any x.exe : > > wine x.exe > > is generating the following error : > > err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"F:\\ ... p= ath > ... \\x.exe" failed , > status c0000017 Please include the full error message, also could you please try running those apps in a clean wine prefix. > where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct ) > > in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64 I will try reproduce this when I get $HOME. Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 12:07:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C1106566B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: from elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:14c0::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51308FC16 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bsdrookie.norma.com. ([IPv6:fd00::7fc]) by elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q25C7MMu095248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:07:23 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Message-ID: <4F54AC7A.8090604@norma.perm.ru> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:07:22 +0600 From: "Eugene M. Zheganin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0) Gecko/20111001 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (elf.hq.norma.perm.ru [IPv6:fd00::30a]); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:07:24 +0500 (YEKT) X-Spam-Status: No hits=-99.5 bayes=0.0000 testhits BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793,SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665,TO_NO_BRKTS_DIRECT=0.904, TO_NO_BRKTS_NORDNS=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on elf.hq.norma.perm.ru Subject: nsswitch and unavailable backends X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:07:33 -0000 Hi. I'm trying to set up LDAP user authentication. I use bet/nss_ldap and security/pam_ldap ports to do this. I'm doing this following the article from the documentation set. Though it's not that complete and misses some very important stuff, I've actually set up the LDAP installations and my users are able to successfully authenticate and log in on my servers. Then I ran into some serious issue. :) When the LDAP server if off/unavailable, users cannot log in - I mean, even the local users. nsswitch.conf: group: files ldap hosts: files dns networks: files passwd: files ldap shells: files services: files protocols: files rpc: files If I remove ldap - all is fine, of course, besides the fact that this breaks the LDAP authentication. I've read the nsswitch manual and saw that I can handle the unavailable LDAP server with some action flags, but the default action is 'continue' already. I also tried the [notfound=return unavail=return tryagain=return] mantra (it's harmless to try since it's the last backup) but this didn't work either. sshd crashes with signal 11, crond does the same. Sad. On a machine running LDAP server the situation is even funnier: the LDAP server, even having a local account to work under, still tries to query himself on start, making the startup impossible. Can this situation be solved ? Right now I remove 'ldap' backend, start the slapd, add ldap backends again and so on. Thanks. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm39682956yhm.5.2012.03.05.04.10.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3V1g1L2KGnz2CG5P for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:10:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:10:19 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120305071019.1f4e83f4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/Qgh+Ngs+=qhtwqV.DRjB8tL"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmVgP4NobSPBR7AtaDhEIUpmkwn9bCU6rq4cJMpG0BY/d4AMr2nA/xjqU18uxE2hJSjnPUf Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:10:34 -0000 --Sig_/Qgh+Ngs+=qhtwqV.DRjB8tL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: > >> That's also an obligation to test it. > >> PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is > >> on them. >=20 > > PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling > > them a private company. >=20 > No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful > lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While > PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project > founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on > the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the > pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for > support. >=20 > Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 > page. Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems that you are referring to? I was examining their company page: and they seem quite impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD: is now apparently working. Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the correct entity to begin with. --=20 Jerry =E2=99=94 Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ --Sig_/Qgh+Ngs+=qhtwqV.DRjB8tL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPVK01AAoJEF2rWD2do7dNFdAH/iuMQzhDMb0lUA5pAastE5eX tyAYzQ7HYcMje3U4TeVtqnNNy+b9E9HsP49rnJeZwMYslj3rO+G9eWbkv5WDwGNW ZEJCSfs6jsdHKGgshtXn7WqW8btluASoXfg7EIYPn3wVxUpGx08WTwWx9GVTBt2F J9zhO5+Y76HypyZkh7COhD4K4SFsh8nfr1L75R4Tei6HtkKFR+lcUY67gj6Jp+yF JNKCCBV0tWpn7ewGtx4lJ4WyxdVRH9ZLremovr2D+O6ETEJbcPfidgm49k8jk89G K7iLcF9PcPwHfv+3sSFnH2Qe04fl5zrwb1DIRRG0dpsQfX8WuNvdalvMVchrnFg= =jzrB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Qgh+Ngs+=qhtwqV.DRjB8tL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 12:17:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F23B1065678; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10268FC17; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so6123505obb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.182.51.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.51.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.182.51.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.51.73]) by 10.182.51.73 with SMTP id i9mr8298041obo.17.1330949871634 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fuEuCXTHnUAN7vOhBL5T0T7fm2dO4nFkYnG8R8fM1yA=; b=B0X/BrHeCNcSoH2zjWCbIGK5D5kja+11r43L4Twoni2tYNiModZOVkDhb5GJ2N+/Pp M9wMfs0WBXMp6G/wn9LUY5j/wVwuYq8a7sQK4ZqXTxl76IQZk98eTbycV6LLo880PqWl bFMR3/N8TZzEdnGhWsR/FyVgfrlM7FypS9z0PylhIUMaOPnsSIgSYwTEuczQmh9/aU54 SdXxdJrAjLI7i1UKRibY1gGgCiaULu29P7O84G8gAgZGsBhVM0KSoChQ3AdJuKHqkvgN PdYiwdCDAj1hiyF0MB1Fb1p2VfUOg6ZFdf/IcUjbZ4jfCqisGFMTobhnm42hQrgaexT2 DFXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.51.73 with SMTP id i9mr7264393obo.17.1330949871582; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.92.162 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: David Naylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:17:52 -0000 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor wrote: > On 5 March 2012 13:41, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire > [2]. > >> > >> There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled > world > >> (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few > >> users). > >> > >> The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run > >> on > >> installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the > >> installation messages for further information. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> David > >> > >> [1] > >> MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) = > >> 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a > >> MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) = > >> a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b > >> [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 > >> [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh > > > > > > > > For any x.exe : > > > > wine x.exe > > > > is generating the following error : > > > > err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"F:\\ ... > path > > ... \\x.exe" failed , > > status c0000017 > > Please include the full error message, also could you please try running > those apps in a clean wine prefix. > # pwd /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS # ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5491200 Feb 17 22:27 x.exe # wine x.exe err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"F:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 ---------- The whole message is listed above . Desktop environment is KDE4 . Execution is attempted in Konsole Terminal . In GNOME Terminal in KDE4 , the error message is the same . I could not understand the phrase : "in a clean wine prefix" . --------- > > > where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct ) > > > > in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64 > > I will try reproduce this when I get $HOME. > > Regards > Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 12:34:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0A11065674 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1911D8FC12 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q25CYHJ1019052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:34:17 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q25CYHJ1019052 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1330950857; bh=qUzX2xp6IQRL+wWTfek4A+GOOFivhwTMdOyYIa7xUe0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=HkQlEQrwy+TPf4EFCL2xtExjdF+mBgz0fiBzsW3WMbTmdkxSVaL/+LCI8Q0f8Mpdb 9B3OuC4gVu8oVim2br5iYFxi3o3gbQwQJVqaC4UQ5ptE+3nXyWTSMo9Mvo71QVx87u Qdn7sLgIvnys7QYpX5mLmnb8oMMIg7naXl0mFINs= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <4F54B2C1.7090806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:34:09 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F53CB2A.4070901@mac.com> <4F53F30D.9060201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F548CCF.1080200@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120305071019.1f4e83f4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120305071019.1f4e83f4@scorpio> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8A42856A0657592E971CA89A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:34:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8A42856A0657592E971CA89A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/03/2012 12:10, Jerry wrote: > Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems > that you are referring to? Yep. That's the company. > I was examining their company page: > and they seem quite > impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD: > is now apparently working. Ah -- no. The page I was referring to is: http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/support/software/pc-bsd-support which is still 404. It's linked to from here: http://www.pcbsd.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_zoo&task=3Dcategory&category_= id=3D85&Itemid=3D62 (bottom of that page) and also also from the PC-PSD pulldown in the menubar at the top of the front page of the site. I did report this through their website, but it's early yet in California, so they won't have had a chance to fix it y= et. > Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the > correct entity to begin with. Right company, wrong web page. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig8A42856A0657592E971CA89A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9UssgACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzoKwCfeLrgsWFOgA1Od+gl3erHzEcb PwoAnAhJje1A8dQO7wZK3in/xE84hm+N =s+dY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8A42856A0657592E971CA89A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 14:40:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF731065674 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2B58FC21 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2012 09:30:04 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BJI41971; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:30:04 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2012 09:30:01 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:30:01 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:40:40 -0000 With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 is correctly described by: 10.0.0.32/27 Anyone? Please? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 14:57:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1BA106566C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@onpointfc.com) Received: from mail2.onpointfc.com (mail2.firstbhph.com [65.105.102.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546848FC13 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.onpointfc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 45D8433181C0_F54D1F5B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:47:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from plymouth.onpointfc.com (plymouth.onpointfc.com [192.168.1.2]) by mail2.onpointfc.com (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 1E519331818B_F54D1F5F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:47:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mepis1.headquarters.firstbhph.com (mepis1.onpointfc.com [192.168.100.52]) by plymouth.onpointfc.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q25Ekc6w014708 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:46:43 -0500 From: Dimitri Yioulos To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:46:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201203050946.58016.dyioulos@onpointfc.com> X-Synonym: Copied by Synonym (http://www.modulo.ro/synonym) to: archive@onpointfc.com X-First1-MailScanner-Information: Please contact First 1 Financial Corporation for more information X-First1-MailScanner-ID: q25Ekc6w014708 X-First1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-First1-MailScanner-MCPCheck: X-MailScanner-From: dyioulos@onpointfc.com X-MailScanner-To: archive@onpointfc.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-First1-MailScanner-Watermark: 1331563603.45245@hp9lFa+xahrbvZL2JdpiHQ Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:57:42 -0000 On Monday 05 March 2012 9:30:01 am Robert Huff wrote: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > is correctly described by: > > 10.0.0.32/27 > > Anyone? Please? > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Correct. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 14:57:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5A41065670 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123C68FC19 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:57:46 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAJHTVE+kD30E/2dsb2JhbAAMN4U0sioBAQEEAQEBICsgChELGAkWCwICCQMCAQIBFQEJJg4FAgQBAQEBGQSHcaV7kXCKG4MgggyBFgSOUoEfgyiHc4pEgmSBWw Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2012 15:57:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4F54D464.7090505@ulb.ac.be> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:57:40 +0100 From: Julien Cigar Organization: Belgian Biodiversity Platform User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120123 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090405090109040803070207" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:57:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090405090109040803070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcigar@dev ~ % ipcalc 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 deaggregate 10.0.0.32 - 10.0.0.63 10.0.0.32/27 (net-mgmt/ipcalc) On 03/05/2012 15:30, Robert Huff wrote: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > is correctly described by: > > 10.0.0.32/27 > > Anyone? Please? > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --------------090405090109040803070207-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 15:00:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D54106567D for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@onpointfc.com) Received: from mail2.onpointfc.com (mail2.firstbhph.com [65.105.102.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9BD8FC25 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.onpointfc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 5F7EE33181BB_F54D255B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from plymouth.onpointfc.com (mail1.onpointfc.com [192.168.1.2]) by mail2.onpointfc.com (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 37EB2331818B_F54D255F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mepis1.headquarters.firstbhph.com (mepis1.onpointfc.com [192.168.100.52]) by plymouth.onpointfc.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q25Em9ll015010 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:48:14 -0500 From: Dimitri Yioulos To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:48:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201203050948.29850.dyioulos@onpointfc.com> X-Synonym: Copied by Synonym (http://www.modulo.ro/synonym) to: archive@onpointfc.com X-First1-MailScanner-Information: Please contact First 1 Financial Corporation for more information X-First1-MailScanner-ID: q25Em9ll015010 X-First1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-First1-MailScanner-MCPCheck: X-MailScanner-From: dyioulos@onpointfc.com X-MailScanner-To: archive@onpointfc.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-First1-MailScanner-Watermark: 1331563695.02672@JHb2o3ewtRuozSGILsNBIg Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:00:42 -0000 On Monday 05 March 2012 9:30:01 am Robert Huff wrote: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > is correctly described by: > > 10.0.0.32/27 > > Anyone? Please? > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Robert, Sent to you directly, as I can't get to the fbsd list. Your CIDR is correct. Best, Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 15:05:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9756C106566B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063698FC14 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.86] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q25Eno6D006228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:49:51 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4F54D28C.5020902@ifdnrg.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:49:48 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:05:06 -0000 On 05/03/2012 14:30, Robert Huff wrote: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > is correctly described by: > > 10.0.0.32/27 > > Anyone? Please? > > > Robert Huff i cheated a bit but looks good http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=10.0.0.32&mask1=27&mask2= > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546< Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C723A1065674 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cknipe@savage.za.org) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820508FC1F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so4317581vbm.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cknipe@savage.za.org designates 10.52.67.115 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.67.115; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cknipe@savage.za.org designates 10.52.67.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cknipe@savage.za.org Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.67.115]) by 10.52.67.115 with SMTP id m19mr36338074vdt.53.1330960332893 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.67.115 with SMTP id m19mr30913855vdt.53.1330958577888; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:42:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: cknipe@savage.za.org Received: by 10.220.47.200 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [196.43.208.58] In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:42:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: i53a9epwe5Q9NOde5Xg-8hglr44 Message-ID: From: Chris Knipe To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl3/0D3XfH00FQbegfdJFvqMlEYXgGFhc/5F8L6hbxdptRZu0UGq19unnalKUiZfvbCb8a7 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:12:13 -0000 Yes. cknipe@amnesiac ~ $ ipcalc 10.0.0.32/27 Address: 10.0.0.32 00001010.00000000.00000000.001 00000 Netmask: 255.255.255.224 =3D 27 11111111.11111111.11111111.111 00000 Wildcard: 0.0.0.31 00000000.00000000.00000000.000 11111 =3D> Network: 10.0.0.32/27 00001010.00000000.00000000.001 00000 HostMin: 10.0.0.33 00001010.00000000.00000000.001 00001 HostMax: 10.0.0.62 00001010.00000000.00000000.001 11110 Broadcast: 10.0.0.63 00001010.00000000.00000000.001 11111 Hosts/Net: 30 Class A, Private Internet On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A010.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is correctly described by: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A010.0.0.32/27 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Anyone? =A0Please? > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Robert Huf= f > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Regards, Chris Knipe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 15:17:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6CA1065670 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duihi77@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F95F8FC08 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so1871484yhg.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of duihi77@gmail.com designates 10.50.158.227 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.158.227; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of duihi77@gmail.com designates 10.50.158.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=duihi77@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=duihi77@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.158.227]) by 10.50.158.227 with SMTP id wx3mr6997765igb.46.1330960649855 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:x-priority:message-id:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HrbuKD+ghPN586Ta1zORksl0KsnvUqcjwpmgcaHdivQ=; b=f89+kOfsBoYimrJoCincCkOItLjmUzmonCpxp0V4iFdT7MYUylI4rwq889F1u3Qvmh pRVg4zpSYx9yX3DEV93Uz7tk63TpLVKMYvFxLAQyjo4DpFAZ38Vd3NlcgvcKP0YTmRGn x8EsP083LTEklbVXIV0AQ2eYmxHtOXNFRj804WiEFl9Rq+bmMtWEtrBM5uwCkkIUw414 P9yf7LdkotrmLIEF/LtvRU0Ja5yeHGJNdcV+17WlkgMw913+J72X6w71sr3Vr8qTQh8B tjSSWpIGN6N1gkqJKciFwVy252KUe4+C+vrRLfrEd5KDpjdqywzVtrCILDhc9+b4HIwd 1qXw== Received: by 10.50.158.227 with SMTP id wx3mr5715593igb.46.1330959161313; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.80] (63-230-62-82.desm.qwest.net. [63.230.62.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uy10sm7940705igc.15.2012.03.05.06.52.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:52:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:52:47 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1511919125.20120305145247@gmail.com> To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:17:31 -0000 On Monday, March 05, 2012 at 14:30:01 UTC, roberthuff@rcn.com confabulated: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > is correctly described by: > 10.0.0.32/27 > Anyone? Please? I use the online IP calculator all the time: http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=10.0.0.32&mask1=27&mask2= -- If at first you don't succeed... ...so much for skydiving. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 15:36:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A461065672 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wallnet@smsdesign.org) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail-gw5.njit.edu [128.235.251.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC368FC1C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.maestro.njit.edu (dhcp114-27.njit.edu [128.235.114.27]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q25EpvqC008859 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:51:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4F54D30D.9000203@smsdesign.org> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:57 -0500 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120222 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:40 -0000 On 03/05/12 09:30, Robert Huff wrote: > With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: > > 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 > > is correctly described by: > > 10.0.0.32/27 > > Anyone? Please? > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Network = 10.0.0.32 Usable IPs = 10.0.0.33 to 10.0.0.62 for 30 Broadcast = 10.0.0.63 Netmask = 255.255.255.224 Wildcard Mask = 0.0.0.31 Looks pretty good to me. Tim Kellers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 16:43:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7061065674 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DC08FC20 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q25GhYFr015155; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:43:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:42:58 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Edward M." References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:43:37 -0000 2012-03-05 10:20, Edward M. skrev: > On 03/05/2012 12:42 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package. >> >> Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to? > > > http://filipenf.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/cross-compiling-for-x86-in-freebsd-64-bit/ Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line of; cd /usr/ports/"random port" make "it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well" Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag -build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 16:53:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE094106564A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784F08FC08 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q25GrLLF023836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:53:21 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q25GrLLF023836 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1330966402; bh=zgHL3aTYg7ouoNZJanjW/MPNxYDbWtcBlHPAIpGgFDg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=hWlkP1JBk26/mnU2KCyY5N0fE5UC1X2OaeQuFT1Iy5KQ6xMnULyHmjD9ZTP6mjqgv 5n9hIfRcpN9cKY6QcBiqaeS8t3csyynxiNOXG+qjYEWMWuJPIXEcSDBnGHKPrtbqb9 ksTtoBdXKRdgDvZ5H8/i5GRTagBDrM1Qi0Y2jvGA= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <4F54EF7A.2030109@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:53:14 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1132A294D9A53888E38C5AB8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:53:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1132A294D9A53888E38C5AB8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/03/2012 16:42, Bernt Hansson wrote: >=20 > Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails > and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line= of; >=20 > cd /usr/ports/"random port" >=20 > make "it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way > build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well" >=20 > Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag > -build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever >=20 > Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way? In general, no. There may be some ports that you could cross-compile, but that depends on the upstream software having support for cross compilation (basically allowing "--target foo" into the compilation flags.) Even if you fix that you're going to run into difficulties as soon as you try and compile a port that depends on shared libraries from another port. I don't think there's any mechanism for installing 32-bit shlibs into ${LOCALBASE}/lib32 from packages. Oh, and making packages is potentially a mine field, as you need to install the port in order to package it. About the only way to cross-build ports is to set up a 32-bit jail on a 64-bit host. I believe that is do-able, but I could be delusional. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1132A294D9A53888E38C5AB8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9U74EACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxd1wCfWTkN52EfUSqivMC4vzmh/hk/ 14QAnj/D/Z77/sm31hJqNWZSwGx9U4PG =OXOh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1132A294D9A53888E38C5AB8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 16:55:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C8E1065672 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A518FC16 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4148E3CD5D; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:55:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q25GtpsO002579; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:55:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:55:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Message-Id: <20120305175551.ae24b6f0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:59 -0000 On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:42:58 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails > and such, just to build a few ports. The "problem" here is that a specific build environment is required. > I was thinking more along the line of; > > cd /usr/ports/"random port" > > make "it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way > build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well" Again, a "problem" is that packages can only be generated if the port has been installed, which is the "make package" task typically following "make install", resulting in the desired package in the /usr/ports/packages/ subtree. See "man ports" regarding the "package" target. I think that _could_ be overridden by specifying a different, "temporary" $PREFIX to install to, but I haven't tested this approach. For the dependencies, I think there was a setting to be included in /etc/make.conf... MAKE_DEPENDS=PACKAGE? Something like this will cause all dependencies to be built and archived as a package. > Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag > -build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever Some settings can be transferred to the make environment, usually /etc/make.conf is used. > Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way? I don't think it is that easy. :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 19:23:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259D71065673 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidianwalker@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36AC8FC1A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so8103483iah.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:23:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ogWhqZyu3VH4hxTGL2tn/sufo17euVXvifob2nuaSE=; b=ydUb5/I5UAY8lNKvxitBzJB+kHrCTBbv4HCLAvM7lrx5HNCeJHA579bz2B9BzfoAfK xtQtevLVJLdXWVBONDPIjhE2PA824dyk7noxbzBU9YoDsrDGJ/eZWNCjWZ2/uPPAQYob ruzjfVlBYIjYuQmPUIozT+Nzr1Aog8d9zzV+4w/ji3FGABLj5ERVOMsg1YNGGnm9CH1D TFTq70PWLG/0DwjZQ5MxNQ/SEjDLwQFlnB4a5KUc49N0+4GjlibMJQn/qP87+UAt4NuT yiKOn04K95wKgNLGjMfqBPFA/UYWAO6IPA9TCaa5GvbDK+YvgYLDyU9RxEXt3GfnCN9D mFUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.149.131 with SMTP id ua3mr6604484igb.41.1330975389545; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.96.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:23:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 05:53:09 +1030 Message-ID: From: David Walker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:23:10 -0000 Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 nzp at riseup.net > OK, here goes: (in Nelson Muntz's voice) Haha, you clown, that's what > you get for believing what documentation says. Use a magnetized needle > and a steady hand you buffoon! > There. I respect! :) Well played. It's a serious issue for me after 15 years of Windows on the desktop to change environment to FreeBSD. I've reached this point after lengthy deliberation with the intent to change once only. While I consider it disappointing and surprising that man pages are suspect (no doubt most are accurate) the bottom line is the community response which includes man page writers and you and me. Well played there too. Disregarding any hiccups, I'm running FreeBSD on my main machine, I've installed X11 and Gnome and it works better than I could have envisoned - the first video I went to on YouTube played ... roll on HTML5 ... sound works ... Fix my tv card and I'll shut up. :] Best wishes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 19:46:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4246D1065676 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A588FC20 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by april.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4F4C2FDD004772E0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:46:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4F551800.4080904@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:46:08 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> <4F54EF7A.2030109@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F54EF7A.2030109@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:46:11 -0000 On 05/03/2012 16:53, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 05/03/2012 16:42, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> >> Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails >> and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line of; >> >> cd /usr/ports/"random port" >> >> make "it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way >> build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well" > > About the only way to cross-build ports is to set up a 32-bit jail on a > 64-bit host. I believe that is do-able, but I could be delusional. Could you do it in a tinderbox? This thread http://www.marcuscom.com/pipermail/tinderbox-list/2011-June/002177.html discusses it a bit with a possible solution. Things have probably moved on since then which may or may not help. 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[41.132.92.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm23022877wiy.7.2012.03.05.12.00.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:00:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-STABLE; KDE/4.7.1; amd64; ; ) References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3648946.uPxaH2hY1X"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203052200.40788.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:00:43 -0000 --nextPart3648946.uPxaH2hY1X Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor=20 wrote: > > Please include the full error message, also could you please try running > > those apps in a clean wine prefix. >=20 > # pwd > /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS >=20 > # wine x.exe >=20 > err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > L"F:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The=20 programs that I tested work without error. =20 I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using a cl= ean=20 wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run (as= =20 root), and provide the output: # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at=20 bugs.winehq.org. =20 > I could not understand the phrase : >=20 > "in a clean wine prefix" . To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: env WINEPREFIX=3D/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. =20 Good luck --nextPart3648946.uPxaH2hY1X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk9VG2gACgkQUaaFgP9pFrIs5wCghx7BjxZ3QlgYspe3t2EdQdhw aiYAn0hQMR/OFRUwO+rH45Etg/2lXMC+ =YaJO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3648946.uPxaH2hY1X-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 22:01:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E469106566C; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2E28FC1A; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so6924913obb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.60.20.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.20.6; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.60.20.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.60.20.6]) by 10.60.20.6 with SMTP id j6mr8678999oee.17.1330984908274 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:01:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0Oxx1U3/4IsxEG1yBzz+9rwxJHMgHDSGeQeZBvbRIMw=; b=RtJdyk68BoFlm5p8HpaXQdvGkQJl5kizPMHSV8oSNkBYMkq1Y2zaPKRbbMcx8Ru58x KMJOhGgxnwsrhxLobx8/EtV6bDmghyBdghngqk+HzpaLSAq03QQ8xYhQJqY211v0YnXt 0rShV2IhLZ9fjt5LuMYP7wWqCS6QeOqEP1tL0VIKTyxemQ330ZXNHig1I3R8MkSr3Duy 8EyCSK1BM+91DB8zN+zyhPJ/rPPU3EHu16PjdciL5Rj0vpjaQZFXQySayt43oq3GqBv8 jqvdPo4reQnH43iVJlEPmYk8F1dQVWTJ8+CAAXDlMnh9xex6I2WgPPbXPQ96dFGefRky ulkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.20.6 with SMTP id j6mr7595913oee.17.1330984908220; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.92.162 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:01:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203052200.40788.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <201203052200.40788.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: David Naylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:01:49 -0000 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor wrote: > On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor > wrote: > > > Please include the full error message, also could you please try > running > > > those apps in a clean wine prefix. > > > > # pwd > > /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS > > > > # wine x.exe > > > > err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > > L"F:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 > > I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The > programs that I tested work without error. > > This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do not exist here . Such parts are not added by "pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ..." . I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing . > I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using a > clean > wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run (as > root), and provide the output: > # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh > > There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with its integrated graphics driver . > If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at > bugs.winehq.org. > > > > I could not understand the phrase : > > > > "in a clean wine prefix" . > > To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: > env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe > This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: . > > You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. > > Good luck > "winetricks" could NOT be found . I tried wine which is added by pkg_add -r wine from packages in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed . On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message . Thank you very much . 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 5 23:19:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548AC106566B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036A78FC17 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452605C28 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:32:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 761505C22 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:32:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F5548BC.7080300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:14:04 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 23:19:13 -0000 On 03/06/12 05:23, David Walker wrote: > Nikola Pavlović nzp at riseup.net >> OK, here goes: (in Nelson Muntz's voice) Haha, you clown, that's what >> you get for believing what documentation says. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 00:30:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26E0106566C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (m209-73.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.209.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5B08FC18 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2605KVR016215 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q2605Kdq016214 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:05:20 -0800 From: David Wolfskill To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120306000520.GS1519@albert.catwhisker.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="flpRHSNNLnUanxKW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Shouldn't "mtree -c" show the "mode" of ... everything? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Wolfskill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:30:01 -0000 --flpRHSNNLnUanxKW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GFHULmA0mO3kKGOo" Content-Disposition: inline --GFHULmA0mO3kKGOo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At work, we're trying to use mtree to do reality checks on server configuration/provisioning. In the process of doing this, I found (much to my surprise) that the "mode" of some files was reported, while others... weren't. I don't understand this behavior, and am wondering how it could possibly be "correct" (in any reasonable sense of the term). So, I tried something similar here at home, running: FreeBSD albert.catwhisker.org 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #456 23= 2453M: Sat Mar 3 05:39:47 PST 2012 root@freebeast.catwhisker.org:/comm= on/S1/obj/usr/src/sys/ALBERT i386 I ran the following command as root: # mtree -ciX X_root -x -p / -k mode >/tmp/root_mode.dist The content of the exclusion file (X_root) is: =2E/.amd_mnt =2E/.snap =2E/dev =2E/dist =2E/entropy =2E/var I've attached the resulting report; you will see that many of the entries merely list the file, without specifying the mode of the file (though that is what I asked for). (Yes, in "real life," I would specify a bunch of stuff. But that would clutter this output, and thus obfuscate the point.) Please include me in the recipient addresses of responses, as I am not subscribed to -questions@. I'll be happy to summarize responses. Thanks! Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. 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mode=3D0444 opieaccess mode=3D0600 opiekeys mode=3D0600 passwd =20 pccard_ether mode=3D0755 pf.os =20 phones =20 portsnap.conf =20 printcap mode=3D0444 profile =20 protocols =20 pwd.db =20 rc =20 rc.bsdextended=20 rc.conf mode=3D0444 rc.firewall =20 rc.initdiskless rc.resume mode=3D0755 rc.sendmail =20 rc.shutdown =20 rc.subr =20 rc.suspend mode=3D0755 regdomain.xml =20 remote =20 resolv.conf mode=3D0444 rmt type=3Dlink mode=3D0777 rpc =20 services =20 shells =20 snmpd.config =20 spwd.db mode=3D0600 sysctl.conf =20 syslog.conf mode=3D0444 termcap type=3Dlink mode=3D0777 termcap.small =20 ttys =20 tz type=3Dlink mode=3D0755 # ./etc/RCS /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 RCS type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 crontab,v =20 devfs.conf,v =20 hosts.lpd,v =20 newsyslog.conf,v ntp.conf,v =20 printcap,v =20 rc.conf,v =20 resolv.conf,v =20 syslog.conf,v =20 ttys,v =20 # ./etc/RCS .. # ./etc/X11 X11 type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 # ./etc/X11 .. # ./etc/bluetooth /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0600 bluetooth type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 hcsecd.conf =20 hosts mode=3D0644 protocols mode=3D0444 # ./etc/bluetooth .. # ./etc/defaults /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 defaults type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 bluetooth.device.conf devfs.rules =20 periodic.conf =20 rc.conf =20 # ./etc/defaults .. # ./etc/devd /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 devd type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 asus.conf =20 uath.conf =20 usb.conf =20 # ./etc/devd .. # ./etc/gnats gnats type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 freefall =20 # ./etc/gnats .. # ./etc/gss /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 gss type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 mech =20 qop =20 # ./etc/gss .. # ./etc/mail /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 mail type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 Makefile =20 README =20 access.sample =20 albert.catwhisker.org.submit.cf albert.catwhisker.org.submit.mc \ mode=3D0444 aliases mode=3D0444 aliases.db mode=3D0640 aliases.orig mode=3D0444 catwhisker.org.cf catwhisker.org.mc \ type=3Dlink mode=3D0755 catwhisker.org.mc.copy \ mode=3D0444 freebsd.cf =20 freebsd.mc =20 freebsd.submit.cf \ mode=3D0444 freebsd.submit.mc \ mode=3D0444 helpfile mode=3D0444 local-host-names mailer.conf =20 mailertable.sample sendmail.cf =20 submit.cf mode=3D0444 virtusertable.sample # ./etc/mail/RCS /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 RCS type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 aliases,v =20 aliases.orig,v=20 # ./etc/mail/RCS .. # ./etc/mail .. # ./etc/mtree mtree type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 BIND.chroot.dist BSD.include.dist BSD.local.dist=20 BSD.root.dist =20 BSD.sendmail.dist BSD.usr.dist =20 BSD.var.dist =20 BSD.x11-4.dist=20 BSD.x11.dist =20 # ./etc/mtree .. # ./etc/ntp ntp type=3Ddir mode=3D0700 # ./etc/ntp .. # ./etc/pam.d /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 pam.d type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 README mode=3D0444 atrun =20 cron =20 ftp =20 ftpd =20 imap =20 kde =20 login =20 other =20 passwd =20 pop3 =20 rsh =20 sshd =20 su =20 system =20 telnetd =20 xdm =20 # ./etc/pam.d .. # ./etc/periodic /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0755 periodic type=3Ddir # ./etc/periodic/daily daily type=3Ddir 100.clean-disks 110.clean-tmps=20 120.clean-preserve 130.clean-msgs=20 140.clean-rwho=20 150.clean-hoststat 200.backup-passwd 210.backup-aliases 220.backup-pkgdb 300.calendar =20 310.accounting=20 330.news =20 400.status-disks 404.status-zfs=20 405.status-ata-raid 406.status-gmirror 407.status-graid3 408.status-gstripe 409.status-gconcat 420.status-network 430.status-rwho 440.status-mailq 450.status-security 460.status-mail-rejects 470.status-named 480.status-ntpd 500.queuerun =20 800.scrub-zfs =20 999.local =20 # ./etc/periodic/daily .. # ./etc/periodic/monthly monthly type=3Ddir 200.accounting=20 999.local =20 # ./etc/periodic/monthly .. # ./etc/periodic/security security type=3Ddir 100.chksetuid =20 110.neggrpperm=20 200.chkmounts =20 300.chkuid0 =20 400.passwdless=20 410.logincheck=20 460.chkportsum=20 500.ipfwdenied=20 510.ipfdenied =20 520.pfdenied =20 550.ipfwlimit =20 610.ipf6denied=20 700.kernelmsg =20 800.loginfail =20 900.tcpwrap =20 security.functions # ./etc/periodic/security .. # ./etc/periodic/weekly weekly type=3Ddir 310.locate =20 320.whatis =20 330.catman =20 340.noid =20 400.status-pkg=20 999.local =20 # ./etc/periodic/weekly .. # ./etc/periodic .. # ./etc/ppp /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0600 ppp type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 ppp.conf =20 # ./etc/ppp .. # ./etc/rc.d /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0555 rc.d type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 DAEMON =20 FILESYSTEMS =20 LOGIN =20 NETWORKING =20 SERVERS =20 abi =20 accounting =20 addswap =20 adjkerntz =20 amd =20 apm =20 apmd =20 archdep =20 atm1 =20 atm2 =20 atm3 =20 auditd =20 auto_linklocal=20 bgfsck =20 bluetooth =20 bootparams =20 bridge =20 bsnmpd =20 bthidd =20 ccd =20 cleanvar =20 cleartmp =20 cron =20 ddb =20 defaultroute =20 devd =20 devfs =20 dhclient =20 dmesg =20 dumpon =20 encswap =20 fsck =20 ftp-proxy =20 ftpd =20 gbde =20 geli =20 geli2 =20 gptboot =20 gssd =20 hastd =20 hcsecd =20 hostapd =20 hostid =20 hostid_save =20 hostname =20 inetd =20 initrandom =20 ip6addrctl =20 ipfilter =20 ipfs =20 ipfw =20 ipmon =20 ipnat =20 ipsec =20 ipxrouted =20 jail =20 kadmind =20 kerberos =20 keyserv =20 kld =20 kldxref =20 kpasswdd =20 ldconfig =20 local =20 localpkg =20 lockd =20 lpd =20 mdconfig =20 mdconfig2 =20 mixer =20 motd =20 mountcritlocal=20 mountcritremote mountd =20 mountlate =20 moused =20 mroute6d =20 mrouted =20 msgs =20 named =20 natd =20 netif =20 netoptions =20 netwait =20 network_ipv6 =20 newsyslog =20 nfscbd =20 nfsclient =20 nfsd =20 nfsserver =20 nfsuserd =20 nisdomain =20 nscd =20 nsswitch =20 ntpd =20 ntpdate =20 othermta =20 pf =20 pflog =20 pfsync =20 power_profile =20 powerd =20 ppp =20 pppoed =20 pwcheck =20 quota =20 random =20 rarpd =20 resolv =20 rfcomm_pppd_server root =20 route6d =20 routed =20 routing =20 rpcbind =20 rtadvd =20 rtsold =20 rwho =20 savecore =20 sdpd =20 securelevel =20 sendmail =20 serial =20 sppp =20 sshd =20 statd =20 static_arp =20 static_ndp =20 swap1 =20 syscons =20 sysctl =20 syslogd =20 timed =20 tmp =20 ubthidhci =20 ugidfw =20 var =20 virecover =20 watchdogd =20 wpa_supplicant=20 ypbind =20 yppasswdd =20 ypserv =20 ypset =20 ypupdated =20 ypxfrd =20 zfs =20 zvol =20 # ./etc/rc.d .. # ./etc/security /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 security type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 audit_class =20 audit_control mode=3D0600 audit_event =20 audit_user mode=3D0600 audit_warn mode=3D0500 # ./etc/security .. # ./etc/skel skel type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 # ./etc/skel .. # ./etc/ssh /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 ssh type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 moduli =20 ssh_config =20 ssh_host_dsa_key \ mode=3D0600 ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_key mode=3D0600 ssh_host_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key \ mode=3D0600 ssh_host_rsa_key.pub sshd_config =20 # ./etc/ssh/RCS /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 RCS type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 sshd_config,v =20 # ./etc/ssh/RCS .. # ./etc/ssh .. # ./etc/ssl /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 ssl type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 openssl.cnf =20 # ./etc/ssl .. # ./etc/zfs zfs type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 # ./etc/zfs .. # ./etc .. # ./host host type=3Ddir mode=3D0555 # ./host .. # ./lib /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0444 lib type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 libalias.so.7 =20 libalias_cuseeme.so libalias_dummy.so libalias_ftp.so libalias_irc.so libalias_nbt.so libalias_pptp.so libalias_skinny.so libalias_smedia.so libavl.so.2 =20 libbegemot.so.4 libbsdxml.so.4=20 libbsnmp.so.5 =20 libc.so.7 =20 libcam.so.5 =20 libcrypt.so.5 =20 libcrypto.so.6=20 libctf.so.2 =20 libdevstat.so.7 libdtrace.so.2=20 libedit.so.7 =20 libgcc_s.so.1 =20 libgeom.so.5 =20 libipsec.so.4 =20 libipx.so.5 =20 libjail.so.1 =20 libkiconv.so.4=20 libkvm.so.5 =20 libm.so.5 =20 libmd.so.5 =20 libncurses.so.8 libncursesw.so.8 libnvpair.so.2=20 libpcap.so.7 =20 libreadline.so.8 libsbuf.so.5 =20 libssp.so.0 =20 libthr.so.3 =20 libufs.so.5 =20 libumem.so.2 =20 libutil.so.8 =20 libuutil.so.2 =20 libz.so.5 =20 libzfs.so.2 =20 libzpool.so.2 =20 # ./lib/geom geom type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 geom_cache.so =20 geom_concat.so=20 geom_eli.so =20 geom_journal.so geom_label.so =20 geom_mirror.so=20 geom_multipath.so geom_nop.so =20 geom_part.so =20 geom_raid.so =20 geom_raid3.so =20 geom_sched.so =20 geom_shsec.so =20 geom_stripe.so=20 geom_virstor.so # ./lib/geom .. # ./lib .. # ./libexec /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0555 libexec type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 ld-elf.so.1 =20 ld-elf.so.1.old # ./libexec .. # ./media media type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 # ./media .. # ./mnt mnt type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 # ./mnt .. # ./net /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0777 net type=3Ddir mode=3D0555 # ./net .. # ./proc /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0555 proc type=3Ddir # ./proc .. # ./rescue rescue type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 \133 =20 atacontrol =20 atmconfig =20 badsect =20 bsdlabel =20 bunzip2 =20 bzcat =20 bzip2 =20 camcontrol =20 cat =20 ccdconfig =20 chflags =20 chgrp =20 chio =20 chmod =20 chown =20 chroot =20 clri =20 cp =20 csh =20 date =20 dd =20 devfs =20 df =20 dhclient =20 dhclient-script disklabel =20 dmesg =20 dump =20 dumpfs =20 dumpon =20 echo =20 ed =20 ex =20 expr =20 fastboot =20 fasthalt =20 fdisk =20 fsck =20 fsck_4.2bsd =20 fsck_ffs =20 fsck_msdosfs =20 fsck_ufs =20 fsdb =20 fsirand =20 gbde =20 geom =20 getfacl =20 glabel =20 gpart =20 groups =20 gunzip =20 gzcat =20 gzip =20 halt =20 head =20 hostname =20 id =20 ifconfig =20 init =20 ipf =20 kenv =20 kill =20 kldconfig =20 kldload =20 kldstat =20 kldunload =20 ldconfig =20 link =20 ln =20 ls =20 lzcat =20 lzma =20 md5 =20 mdconfig =20 mdmfs =20 mkdir =20 mknod =20 mount =20 mount_cd9660 =20 mount_msdosfs =20 mount_nfs =20 mount_ntfs =20 mount_nullfs =20 mount_udf =20 mount_unionfs =20 mt =20 mv =20 nc =20 newfs =20 newfs_msdos =20 nextboot =20 nos-tun =20 pgrep =20 ping =20 ping6 =20 pkill =20 ps =20 pwd =20 rcorder =20 rcp =20 rdump =20 realpath =20 reboot =20 red =20 rescue =20 restore =20 rm =20 rmdir =20 route =20 routed =20 rrestore =20 rtquery =20 rtsol =20 savecore =20 sconfig =20 sed =20 setfacl =20 sh =20 spppcontrol =20 stty =20 swapon =20 sync =20 sysctl =20 tail =20 tar =20 tcsh =20 tee =20 test =20 tunefs =20 umount =20 unlink =20 unlzma =20 unxz =20 vi =20 whoami =20 xz =20 xzcat =20 zcat =20 zfs =20 zpool =20 # ./rescue .. # ./root /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 root type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 .cshrc =20 .forward =20 .history mode=3D0600 .k5login =20 .lesshst mode=3D0600 .login =20 .profile =20 xorg.conf.new =20 # ./root/.cache /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0700 .cache type=3Ddir # ./root/.cache/gegl-0.1 gegl-0.1 type=3Ddir # ./root/.cache/gegl-0.1/swap swap type=3Ddir # ./root/.cache/gegl-0.1/swap .. # ./root/.cache/gegl-0.1 .. # ./root/.cache .. # ./root/.config .config type=3Ddir # ./root/.config/menus menus type=3Ddir # ./root/.config/menus/applications-merged /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0600 applications-merged \ type=3Ddir mode=3D0700 xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu # ./root/.config/menus/applications-merged .. # ./root/.config/menus .. # ./root/.config .. # ./root/.gconf .gconf type=3Ddir mode=3D0700 # ./root/.gconf .. # ./root/.gstreamer-0.10 .gstreamer-0.10 type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 registry.i386.bin # ./root/.gstreamer-0.10 .. # ./root/.kde /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0755 .kde type=3Ddir # ./root/.kde/share share type=3Ddir # ./root/.kde/share/config /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 config type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 profilerc =20 profilerc.new =20 # ./root/.kde/share/config .. # ./root/.kde/share .. # ./root/.kde .. # ./root/.local /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0700 .local type=3Ddir # ./root/.local/share share type=3Ddir # ./root/.local/share/webkit webkit type=3Ddir # ./root/.local/share/webkit/icondatabase /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0644 icondatabase type=3Ddir mode=3D0700 WebpageIcons.db # ./root/.local/share/webkit/icondatabase .. # ./root/.local/share/webkit .. # ./root/.local/share .. # ./root/.local .. # ./root/Desktop /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0777 Desktop type=3Ddir mode=3D0700 AdobeReader.desktop # ./root/Desktop .. # ./root/bin /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0755 bin type=3Ddir # ./root/bin/FreeBSD FreeBSD type=3Ddir # ./root/bin/FreeBSD .. # ./root/bin .. # ./root .. # ./sbin /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0555 sbin type=3Ddir mode=3D0755 adjkerntz =20 atacontrol =20 atmconfig =20 badsect =20 bsdlabel =20 camcontrol =20 ccdconfig =20 clri =20 comcontrol =20 conscontrol =20 ddb =20 devd =20 devfs =20 dhclient =20 dhclient-script disklabel =20 dmesg =20 dump =20 dumpfs =20 dumpon =20 fastboot =20 fasthalt =20 fdisk =20 ffsinfo =20 fsck =20 fsck_4.2bsd =20 fsck_ffs =20 fsck_msdosfs =20 fsck_ufs =20 fsdb =20 fsirand =20 gbde =20 gcache =20 gconcat =20 geli =20 geom =20 ggatec =20 ggated =20 ggatel =20 gjournal =20 glabel =20 gmirror =20 gmultipath =20 gnop =20 gpart =20 graid =20 graid3 =20 growfs =20 gsched =20 gshsec =20 gstripe =20 gvinum =20 gvirstor =20 halt =20 hastctl =20 hastd =20 ifconfig =20 init =20 init.bak =20 ipf =20 ipfs =20 ipfstat =20 ipftest =20 ipfw =20 ipmon =20 ipnat =20 ippool =20 ipresend =20 iscontrol =20 kldconfig =20 kldload =20 kldstat =20 kldunload =20 ldconfig =20 md5 =20 mdconfig =20 mdmfs =20 mknod =20 mksnap_ffs mode=3D04550 mount =20 mount_cd9660 =20 mount_mfs =20 mount_msdosfs =20 mount_newnfs =20 mount_nfs =20 mount_ntfs =20 mount_nullfs =20 mount_udf =20 mount_unionfs =20 natd =20 newfs =20 newfs_msdos =20 nextboot =20 nfsiod =20 nologin type=3Dlink mode=3D0755 nos-tun =20 pfctl =20 pflogd =20 ping mode=3D04555 ping6 mode=3D04555 poweroff mode=3D04550 quotacheck =20 rcorder =20 rdump =20 reboot =20 recoverdisk =20 restore =20 rmd160 =20 route =20 routed =20 rrestore =20 rtquery =20 rtsol =20 savecore =20 sconfig =20 setkey =20 sha1 =20 sha256 =20 shutdown mode=3D04550 spppcontrol =20 swapctl =20 swapoff =20 swapon =20 sysctl =20 tunefs =20 umount =20 zfs =20 zpool =20 # ./sbin .. # ./tmp /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0700 tmp type=3Ddir mode=3D01777 # ./tmp .. # ./usr /set type=3Dfile mode=3D0755 usr type=3Ddir # ./usr .. =2E. --GFHULmA0mO3kKGOo-- --flpRHSNNLnUanxKW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk9VVL8ACgkQmprOCmdXAD0y1QCcCiiZYsydM8ET7tV4T0xp2pqY IskAn35yc219gSjttnREYOi7KbbK2QmC =HnBz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 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LYNXIMGMAP:file://localhost/tmp/tmpLBxZQ2.html#cattle 4. mailto:webmaster@scbt.com 5. http://www.scbt.com/email_bulletin.php?eid=freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 01:46:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99C0106564A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail28c26.carrierzone.com (mail28c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BB08FC15 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:46:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-71-168-117-131.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [71.168.117.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q261kRuo015292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:46:30 GMT Message-ID: <4F556C72.2020205@myfairpoint.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:46:26 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120220 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F4FDB25.5020400@myfairpoint.net> <4F50139F.6050203@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F50BA9F.3040502@myfairpoint.net> <4F50BC8E.207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F50BC8E.207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=KcVuPaGlu33GK6U+M2PA5qdbC69FGXWqM6/JkLAFICY= c=1 sm=1 a=ZHgFDMM0ft4A:10 a=cjIswTsptWMA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=5NyqkGvo1yjZktb8dTcYZw==:17 a=1UE_b0NdJ4FpbHFB0moA:9 a=ExaZO5DG6N-D85-Nd_UA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5NyqkGvo1yjZktb8dTcYZw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F556C79.007E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: USB Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision (mic problem SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:46:35 -0000 I just managed to get the mic working built into the camera. I followed the Sound steps below that are included in pkg-message and that did the trick. Hopefully these notes will help others having mic problems with the Logitech camera. NOTE: Just before I followed the below steps I did recompile my kernel to include "snd_hda" support. After I finished that task I did try Skype and it did not work. I mention this just in case if someone is troubleshooting such a problem and "snd_hda" might be needed. Thanks to all the helped, Sean 2. Sound Since the OSS interface was removed, Skype now uses linux-alsa compat packages. By default you get one device corresponding to your default OSS dsp device (so Skype will use it for ringing, incoming voice and mic). If that doesn't suit needs, you can map the other dsp devices for example by editing /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf. You need to (re)start Skype after you edit this file in order to get Skype pick up the changes. Adding the following to the stock file, and then starting Skype and choosing in Options-->Sound Devices: Speakers: oss1 will let you use the second dsp (usually the front panel connectors for your headphones, while still hearing the call ringing and other notification on the first dsp device (presumably the one you connect your speakers to). pcm.oss1 { type oss device /dev/dsp1 hint { description "Open Sound System" } } ctl.oss1 { type oss device /dev/mixer1 hint { description "Open Sound System" } } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 01:55:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28FF1065672 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4BF8FC0C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179B5C28 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:09:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AD555C22 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:09:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F556D7B.4050803@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:50:51 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F4FDB25.5020400@myfairpoint.net> <4F50139F.6050203@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F50BA9F.3040502@myfairpoint.net> <4F50BC8E.207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F556C72.2020205@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <4F556C72.2020205@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: USB Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision (mic problem SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:56:00 -0000 On 03/06/12 11:46, sean wrote: > I just managed to get the mic working built into the camera. > I followed the Sound steps below that are included in pkg-message and > that did the trick. > Hopefully these notes will help others having mic problems with the > Logitech camera. > > NOTE: Just before I followed the below steps I did recompile my kernel > to include "snd_hda" support. > After I finished that task I did try Skype and it did not work. > I mention this just in case if someone is troubleshooting such a > problem and "snd_hda" might be needed. > > Thanks to all the helped, > Sean > > > 2. Sound > > Since the OSS interface was removed, Skype now uses linux-alsa compat > packages. > By default you get one device corresponding to your default OSS dsp > device (so > Skype will use it for ringing, incoming voice and mic). If that > doesn't suit > needs, you can map the other dsp devices for example by editing > /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf. You need to (re)start Skype > after you > edit this file in order to get Skype pick up the changes. > Adding the following to the stock file, and then starting Skype and > choosing > in Options-->Sound Devices: Speakers: oss1 > will let you use the second dsp (usually the front panel connectors > for your > headphones, while still hearing the call ringing and other > notification on the > first dsp device (presumably the one you connect your speakers to). > pcm.oss1 { > type oss > device /dev/dsp1 > hint { > description "Open Sound System" > } > } > > ctl.oss1 { > type oss > device /dev/mixer1 > hint { > description "Open Sound System" > } > } Alsa was the death of me in linux - a real PITA. That and selinux... Such a hack to get anything with alsa to work; I thought even linux had given up on it? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 03:14:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B1F106566C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD4E8FC16 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so7293799obb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.60.4.71 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.4.71; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.60.4.71 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kudzu@tenebras.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.60.4.71]) by 10.60.4.71 with SMTP id i7mr8945095oei.39.1331003657571 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.4.71 with SMTP id i7mr7858638oei.39.1331003657481; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.49.164 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F54D30D.9000203@smsdesign.org> References: <20308.52713.516369.307097@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4F54D30D.9000203@smsdesign.org> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:14:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Tim Kellers X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQVU6sGA4QuXqDOYt6iIh+sf0cZfPEQG6srzHl0m+cZV8JRFRrRuhZvJ0ojrvBIzEREf/I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:14:18 -0000 ipsc, from packages or ports, is very useful. > ipsc -gch 10.0.0.32/27 Network class: A Network mask: 255.0.0.0 Network mask (hex): FF000000 Network address: 10.0.0.32 Subnet bits: 19 Max subnets: 524288 Full subnet mask: 255.255.255.224 Full subnet mask (hex): FFFFFFE0 Host bits: 5 Hosts per subnet: 32 Bit map: nnnnnnnn.ssssssss.ssssssss.ssshhhhh IP address: 10.0.0.32 Hexadecimal IP address: A000020 Address allocation range: 10.0.0.32 - 10.0.0.63 Full subnet mask: 255.255.255.224 Subnet mask: 0.255.255.224 Subnet ID: 0.0.0.32 Network ID: 10.0.0.0 Host ID: 0.0.0.32 Cisco Wildcard: 0.0.0.31 CIDR notation: 10.0.0.0 /27 Route/Mask: 10.0.0.0 / 255.255.255.224 Hexadecimal route/mask: A000000 / FFFFFFE0 Supernet max: 0 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Tim Kellers wrote: > On 03/05/12 09:30, Robert Huff wrote: > >> With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if: >> >> 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63 >> >> is correctly described by: >> >> 10.0.0.32/27 >> >> Anyone? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ts.only4u@yahoo.in List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:45:44 -0000 Hello, I, Punit Tiwari, pursing final year BE(IT) student. Final year project "Game Engine": Project Description: Platform Java Application Framework Javafx 2.0 Database DB2 Game Type 2D RPG Game User Any (knows to use computer) Prsently, this game engine build 2d games like mario, countra, for the user who doesn't knows programming language. Please, suggest is this project can be given for GSOC, if not plz suggest me some project idea. 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[41.132.92.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ep17sm24310537wid.2.2012.03.05.21.36.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:36:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-STABLE; KDE/4.7.1; amd64; ; ) References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <201203052200.40788.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4011500.RFX7AXYauz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203060736.06948.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:36:08 -0000 --nextPart4011500.RFX7AXYauz Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 00:01:48 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor=20 wrote: > > On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor > >=20 > > wrote: > > > > Please include the full error message, also could you please try > >=20 > > running > >=20 > > > > those apps in a clean wine prefix. > > >=20 > > > # pwd > > > /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS > > >=20 > > > # wine x.exe > > >=20 > > > err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > > > L"F:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 > >=20 > > I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The > > programs that I tested work without error. >=20 > This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do n= ot > exist here . > Such parts are not added by "pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ..." . > I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing . It could also mean there are extra components on your computer that are=20 interfering however using a clean wine prefix (as mentioned below) has rule= d=20 that out. =20 > > I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using a > > clean > > wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run > > (as root), and provide the output: > > # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh >=20 > There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with i= ts > integrated graphics driver . That eliminates my only other idea. =20 > > If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at > > bugs.winehq.org. > >=20 > > > I could not understand the phrase : > > >=20 > > > "in a clean wine prefix" . > >=20 > > To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: > > env WINEPREFIX=3D/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe >=20 > This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: . As mentioned above, eliminates possible extra components causing interferen= ce. =20 > > You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. > >=20 > > Good luck >=20 > "winetricks" could NOT be found . Please see http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks for details about winetricks. = =20 > I tried wine which is added by >=20 > pkg_add -r wine >=20 > from packages >=20 > in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed . >=20 > On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message . To clarify: you tried running the program under an i386 installation of=20 =46reeBSD and wine gave you the same problem? =20 Also, has a previous version of wine ever worked for your program? Could y= ou=20 try installing an older version of wine (the mediafire page contains wine=20 releases going back to 1.3.16). =20 Regards --nextPart4011500.RFX7AXYauz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk9VokYACgkQUaaFgP9pFrJl7gCfUk7ptlS91KwZsD/UawJSc3sB qFwAn2CdQsQ583QWSYyfpm56EqnezARo =upk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4011500.RFX7AXYauz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 06:14:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37441065679 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:14:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935A18FC1A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i5t91i0030mv7h05B61SuZ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:01:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([68.43.224.227]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i61R1i00P4uzdYs3X61RGq; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:01:26 +0000 Message-ID: <4F55A834.5050302@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:24 -0500 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1330390351993-5520494.post@n5.nabble.com> <4F4C8A61.5010605@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F4C8A61.5010605@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:14:47 -0000 On 2/28/2012 3:03 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > This is an entirely subjective question and one that only you can answer. > > For example, given the number of problem reports I'm seeing on the > lists, I'm going to stick with the 8-STABLE branch for still a long > time, likely until 9.1 or 9.2-RELEASE. I don't think it's a good idea to let what you see on a mailing list be your end all be all of what you use... This isn't an insult or anything, but I've seen some pretty damn stupid people who try to install stuff into Swap.... And that isn't even close to the stupidest thing I've ever seen on a list. Trust me, the best way to figure out of you personally would benefit from upgrading, is doing it yourself. I use and read these lists, and I admit, sometimes, it's for entertainment value, but again, I've also received more than my share of help from people who DO know WTF they're doing. It doesn't cost you more than a CD or DVD, so why not just download 9 and try it out? I have every version of FreeBSD I've ever downloaded, or paid for, starting with 4.0 back in 2000 or so, and I am now running 9.0 on my main FreeBSD machine, and PC-BSD 8.2 on a Desktop, and PC-BSD 9 on my Laptop. I've had NO issues with any of them. So for whatever it's worth to you; I am using FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE, and I like it. -Allen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 08:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E90106564A; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305328FC1C; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so7630889obb.13 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.60.3.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.3.34; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com designates 10.60.3.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.60.3.34]) by 10.60.3.34 with SMTP id 2mr1963880oez.27.1331024160683 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Nokcfig4J4/ePR5Wp1VNGxaea+m6Stj2LHw9I5AV8cM=; b=A6ggZjZKQckYcEoHDDHqy39gXlsUwMMDdeu5latRn0cgBOfI31hNm3zxauU1mU3v6O pwSdUsIZ8BhxYQUCCN0SHJIgiQipleekLSNjwsruSqfhbsxzhwAz/+G5CLIdID28hnXW Hu7q30M3UFtojdkYo2f6LfCT7oJRZQfDfOVVYbdORoiDedX8VJmsLK0ypXEY7/2yQoXc 7L03WPnnSsBHBYm7LETJd1b+qTxiyFDIYnMjiFPHc8mXb0Qm9PQC+AKgwo+ftrdSy9wX hCDKPbkZX3X4jaYyP6CUNdSvP7mQM6YEghrVh8TvulWjrSsrSZwLlAqBFRVtDvLVE0pu kd2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.3.34 with SMTP id 2mr1710941oez.27.1331024160594; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.92.162 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:56:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203060736.06948.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> References: <201203042116.09255.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <201203052200.40788.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <201203060736.06948.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: David Naylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 08:56:01 -0000 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Naylor wrote: > On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 00:01:48 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor > wrote: > > > On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Please include the full error message, also could you please try > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > those apps in a clean wine prefix. > > > > > > > > # pwd > > > > /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS > > > > > > > > # wine x.exe > > > > > > > > err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > > > > L"F:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe" failed , status c0000017 > > > > > > I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The > > > programs that I tested work without error. > > > > This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do > not > > exist here . > > Such parts are not added by "pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ..." . > > I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing . > > It could also mean there are extra components on your computer that are > interfering however using a clean wine prefix (as mentioned below) has > ruled > that out. > > > > I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using > a > > > clean > > > wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run > > > (as root), and provide the output: > > > # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh > > > > There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with > its > > integrated graphics driver . > > That eliminates my only other idea. > > > > If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at > > > bugs.winehq.org. > > > > > > > I could not understand the phrase : > > > > > > > > "in a clean wine prefix" . > > > > > > To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: > > > env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe > > > > This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: . > > As mentioned above, eliminates possible extra components causing > interference. > > > > You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. > > > > > > Good luck > > > > "winetricks" could NOT be found . > > Please see http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks for details about winetricks. > Thanks . After my message , I searched "winetricks" in Google , and find its links . I read its list . I think , it will not contain related parts , except , perhaps fonts , comctl . I have installed fonts , all dll files , run times , without any effect on the generated error message . > > > I tried wine which is added by > > > > pkg_add -r wine > > > > from packages > > > > in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed . > > > > On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message . > > To clarify: you tried running the program under an i386 installation of > FreeBSD and wine gave you the same problem? > Yes . I am using the ( three ) programs in Windows XP continuously and they are working in there very well . They are compiled by Delphi . Previously , in FreeBSD 7.x ( I think 7.0 or 7.1 ) i386 , I have used the same programs under Wine successfully . The previous downloads from wine-fbsd64-1.3.16,1.txz , ...1.3.37,1 ... 1.4.r3,1 ... 1.4.r3,3 series did not work because of errors displayed . I have tested wine-fbsd64-1.3.16,1.txz now once more . When the last published one ( 1.4.r4,1 ) also gave error , I decided to inform you . > > Also, has a previous version of wine ever worked for your program? Could > you > try installing an older version of wine (the mediafire page contains wine > releases going back to 1.3.16). > > Regards > Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 09:49:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9E0106564A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6675B8FC1D for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so5377389bkc.13 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.204.136.220 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.136.220; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.204.136.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ml@my.gd Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.136.220]) by 10.204.136.220 with SMTP id s28mr11260508bkt.94.1331027388530 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.220 with SMTP id s28mr8798596bkt.94.1331027388344; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm30661025bkw.16.2012.03.06.01.49.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:49:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F55DDBA.9010301@my.gd> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:49:46 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1330390351993-5520494.post@n5.nabble.com> <4F4C8A61.5010605@my.gd> <4F55A834.5050302@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4F55A834.5050302@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkWB5Mic82K6sBFdWAbqcBZFxNqCZp8n/UGb73rlSF4GYssyKwfk5WHxvJkmK4LmQP+im7r Subject: Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:49:49 -0000 On 3/6/12 7:01 AM, Allen wrote: > On 2/28/2012 3:03 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> This is an entirely subjective question and one that only you can answer. >> >> For example, given the number of problem reports I'm seeing on the >> lists, I'm going to stick with the 8-STABLE branch for still a long >> time, likely until 9.1 or 9.2-RELEASE. > > I don't think it's a good idea to let what you see on a mailing list be > your end all be all of what you use... This isn't an insult or anything, > but I've seen some pretty damn stupid people who try to install stuff > into Swap.... And that isn't even close to the stupidest thing I've ever > seen on a list. Trust me, the best way to figure out of you personally > would benefit from upgrading, is doing it yourself. > I get your point, however, reports of NICs malfunctionning or stuff like that are pretty distressing when running frontend firewall boxes. Seeing 9.0 doesn't bring much to the table, imo, in terms of firewalling and CARP novelty, I'm probably going to stick with 8.3 for some time :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 11:30:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E0F106566C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164238FC13 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr20 with SMTP id r20so2409461ghr.13 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kraduk@gmail.com designates 10.236.185.1 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.185.1; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kraduk@gmail.com designates 10.236.185.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kraduk@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kraduk@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.185.1]) by 10.236.185.1 with SMTP id t1mr15675380yhm.37.1331033411415 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:30:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Z8TKYdFEe9zz+n4WGWC7u2VdAu9aVHxCkhCCzOxeOeo=; b=jxOpBTr98FqfcT2hREp94OuthCYioyyUCgW9QiJTp6sqwK741ZHjvOopaLhN678/w2 4sPm/HP/ZzU7cyY3hE03GWppdTrekpXnQ1OB2CEWM4k3DXyOFzoRYuteMIPBvCUBO7Mc P01YF3nADHlI/hi5rbfRso0Dgr65V7KiZX27rLkITUNJew5UHepnFr5CCRpPUIiBR57N BpRZSyK2t219Kj3Ctj4T/Tigq3qYB+Sa2pgRzlh4dd+YGXi2hkZk3jk0pIZlQ+4DdQg8 zcJgdJjOHO7u3Swq6HE0zkPDCRuyifJuq00LvOWVpjaO+eSKCR+QSAexy1/AHece89fB Wxlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.1 with SMTP id t1mr12287578yhm.37.1331033411362; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.22.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:30:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F55DDBA.9010301@my.gd> References: <1330390351993-5520494.post@n5.nabble.com> <4F4C8A61.5010605@my.gd> <4F55A834.5050302@comcast.net> <4F55DDBA.9010301@my.gd> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:30:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:30:12 -0000 On 6 March 2012 09:49, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 3/6/12 7:01 AM, Allen wrote: > > On 2/28/2012 3:03 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> This is an entirely subjective question and one that only you can > answer. > >> > >> For example, given the number of problem reports I'm seeing on the > >> lists, I'm going to stick with the 8-STABLE branch for still a long > >> time, likely until 9.1 or 9.2-RELEASE. > > > > I don't think it's a good idea to let what you see on a mailing list be > > your end all be all of what you use... This isn't an insult or anything, > > but I've seen some pretty damn stupid people who try to install stuff > > into Swap.... And that isn't even close to the stupidest thing I've ever > > seen on a list. Trust me, the best way to figure out of you personally > > would benefit from upgrading, is doing it yourself. > > > > I get your point, however, reports of NICs malfunctionning or stuff like > that are pretty distressing when running frontend firewall boxes. > > Seeing 9.0 doesn't bring much to the table, imo, in terms of firewalling > and CARP novelty, I'm probably going to stick with 8.3 for some time :) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > apart from a major bump in the version of pf. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 11:35:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ABB106564A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48EEC8FC21 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2012 11:23:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.41] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2012 11:23:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2012 11:23:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 119491.47046.bm@omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 35587 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2012 11:23:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1331032992; bh=Aott1Ri2rIBZ5Ss65d7FtJJGLz8kYqC7KlvntB8EQ3U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wdG4mv1i8LIQR/OfzuJPS18nZz8izON24IWW632UkjCpreJPH8rzSfkpwYESXgH1vjb57xqq3BXnOQkPomMAJE3GS/4FUsY9iGKjn19hIRUAsOrXA5XvgnrwxEe7/V/lYdjq6y4szjYOeKSp32f7GCwY+SXva7ksT3rvX44opOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dNMNlpyTxjgNGXcbb8dasU5AvaT53pUtsoKj5xcecM3OC1KsfmgUsGU/QiM375fEddJgTms0GtFgfPcHPMpuFVGgegqDM5t17Fd5mCFTeWEc2brq5v40t9SQuDCl8O90dSXbZ5zXmtCXk6B2Hoi7pF7LiWJG4EM4j9OCkVHwLMk=; X-YMail-OSG: V4eV2aAVM1k3eD.iqIaCnEdPXLsjJnqHfOp4bQ6oYrL3Pfv sb7vGvh7U21tl.kkBZuRkpmmPJjFV0jhrEUuVinu9pWLp2_FG5uWh6VtNZX3 06GC_DlH5RlcR.vUXdx2pv3BMIIZoyc8l2vEuikxwSMQTQNrPr1DR82HIlhW 1Q0t9kUYmqbvFGLf7LhaHCK1d8_..ZtrtMHZRD5rH9GW427ONdhQNjFRmVXp Y3Gu5qHQrxeYofp.M5U1KVUSMQRWyAiJ22gnQ.DORadQNiavDIoMNYOXVGbT d_vbqFuqMar4WAMzcnNFYWUKU41Gh5s9R8HBsPQs86bldkA2eZCqbGxY1zCy kWkoaZ7.R7whokXVo0XqDs6Z9U81Wr0YmQFmic6._zHOxos4Sg_phASn_0a6 7XSQCn.WaF59unDLBcwQfuokVGLVMcOtGymGiZdCjaW0Hnz7Lk1fbF6ptxmD uo2ETUjZE88ZbLkaXaeKm3lhtD.uAE9ry0kpir3QuM8qt0nIZtQ20qBlvDzj BbZ_1MMT6B_HdMA-- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:23:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <4F53D104.6060104@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <1331032992.31618.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Running OS tftp vs. pxeboot tftp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:35:35 -0000 =0A=0A=0AFrom: Rick Miller =0ATo: Erik N=F8rgaard= ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org =0ASent: Sunday, Ma= rch 4, 2012 3:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Running OS tftp vs. pxeboot tftp=0A=0AHi= Erik,=0A=0AThanks for getting back to me.=A0 The original problem is the s= ame=0Aissue...we are still working it, but we've isolated the configuration= =0Awhere the issue manifests itself.=A0 It has to do with the FreeBSD=0Apxe= boot and Brocade switches.=A0 We will continue troubleshooting in our=0Alab= .=A0 When we've identified a fix/workaround I will be sure to follow=0Aup h= ere.=0A=0AOn 3/4/12, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote:=0A> On = 01/03/2012 16:16, Rick Miller wrote:=0A>> Hi All,=0A>>=0A>> Are there signi= ficant differences in the implementation between the=0A>> tftp client in Fr= eeBSD 8.2-RELEASE and the client implementation in=0A>> pxeboot.bs?=0A>=0A>= I have no reason to believe there should be any difference. If you=0A> bel= ieve there is a problem with the supplied pxeboot, you can compile=0A> your= own.=0A>=0A> You previusly wrote about VLAN tagging for your pxeboot nodes= , but never=0A> wrote back if you solved the problem. What's your setup?=0A= >=0A>> I ask because I have encountered a scenario where pxeboot.bs is=0A>>= tftp'ing boot files from a PXE server and fails in random spots while=0A>>= attempting to download boot files to start a 8.2-RELEASE install.=0A>> Whe= n we run the same sequence of tftp gets in a running 8.2-RELEASE=0A>> insta= nce continuously, we never received a single failure in a solid=0A>> hour o= f attempts.=0A>=0A> You should have some log or other traces to debug on th= e problem, can't=0A> help much without.=0A>=0A> BR, Erik=0A>=0A> --=0A> M: = +34 666 334 818=0A> T: +34 915 211 157=0A> ________________________________= _______________=0A> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> http://l= ists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, sen= d any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A>=0A=0A-- =0ASe= nt from my mobile device=0A=0ATake care=0ARick Miller=0A___________________= ____________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list= =0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubsc= ribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A= I can't speak to all the technical nuiances you reference here but I have a= diskless=0Abooting system which runs 8.2-STABLE and it's been running flaw= less for several=0Amonths. I last did make buildworld on the server's os an= d the diskless's boot=0Apartition in December...all is well for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 15:01:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B14106564A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidianwalker@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F138FC0A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so9763214iah.13 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davidianwalker@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.153.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davidianwalker@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davidianwalker@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=davidianwalker@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.153.169]) by 10.50.153.169 with SMTP id vh9mr10648735igb.41.1331046102999 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rvVHvBW64hMzUfzbo7KYaVfksHMM+OAZ3u7u61dR3bk=; b=qIqMv1UQu7ztBqaJglKIPfMwgk6ka72nE56tuRn0OTVW5ZGmw72KOBQgK6i3xQ+hQg LF4AMpOCWwCJevuo1eRi7piRcnGOkxdVwP7yO943051SGasqUXZXjxHXDy3rWX7ZFw41 egZnPklHbwmv9lOL2Ai54JtSZP6/OkIJrUae+qxgoYQBjnuuJ76TZJZXOw3WMChWCipa 8kkmRHB/SkCKi1QqIbT3mph2HmTGwYv25N/awDHyRnAKEzqrjOGyRq/MUjOStKDZ7AEj Ijde9n/vLGOixOiDij5AXkC5libpbxHDZT+QPHwfmnKN1yc8yLwPTa/lumkQ/e0zc+PB jCPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.169 with SMTP id vh9mr8873836igb.41.1331046102965; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.96.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:31:42 +1030 Message-ID: From: David Walker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:01:49 -0000 Da Rock freebsd-questions at herveybayaustralia.com.au > What tv card? Mine work fine.... Thread here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-drivers/2012-February/001370.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 16:44:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F78D106564A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from S.Rink@xtilton.nl) Received: from mailwash-001.is.nl (mailwash-001.is.nl [81.24.63.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1682A8FC0A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:44:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailwasher-001.is.nl Received: from XTSVEX01.Xtilton.local ([213.197.195.137]) by mailwash-001.is.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q26FeSsr023815 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:40:28 +0100 Received: from XTSVEX01.Xtilton.local ([fe80::141a:672a:616:ebed]) by XTSVEX01.Xtilton.local ([fe80::141a:672a:616:ebed%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:40:27 +0100 From: Stefan Rink To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Thread-Topic: Forum problem.. 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Greetings, Stefan Rink Xtilton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 18:13:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0683F1065673 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D17F8FC18 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so4633758wgb.31 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of amvandemore@gmail.com designates 10.216.133.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.133.9; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of amvandemore@gmail.com designates 10.216.133.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=amvandemore@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=amvandemore@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.216.133.9]) by 10.216.133.9 with SMTP id p9mr9074509wei.9.1331057633522 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2zv3FgzXMyi4cY7AgtL/iuYjrfDH76SK6jStmue86Qo=; b=aZhcE6eEeyZdyNeP+0i74weTA7ZydZy/hBSdUuRT8L4dsau2bUd9I2uhBXf+qwEQWL LYnJXnsCk1GMSYJ6x3et3MrbWeYD5h/rHVWY8Ga1CLASKU7VvFHETChiUfSaDuFrQNk+ fHnTAcjPDa7w9VkVbumA5IZVhsZkv68Ke4OTOxRphWStOIqTp1+gIc1UelWLFBuw1wJ9 D0d5AHF/0PvlN4xYi78e/cz5Qe8vx4TvPXXR+SK/9kQMj5ROB2p2vW6jMkILBXfqW7mo oM/O2yz3SnrjZxkvDJ/rWbIy++xtUkkwvEuAf1ry/vCAEhFM2dQTtHsmOp7vPgjw44mU 4PGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.9 with SMTP id p9mr7249291wei.9.1331057633389; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.93.138 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:13:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F564B17.1010700@bananmonarki.se> References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> <20120305175551.ae24b6f0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F564B17.1010700@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:13:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Bernt Hansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:13:55 -0000 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Again, a "problem" is that packages can only be generated >> if the port has been installed >> > > Why is that. I hope you can educate me on that. > Because a package is the result of what is installed. It essentially works somewhat like Debian's checkinstall by keeping track of what's installed by the installation script, then using the info of what's installed to build the package. I'm not exactly sure how "make package" works internally, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's almost the same as "pkg_create -b". -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 19:42:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CCB106566B for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213D08FC12 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120306194219.FSRD14668.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:42:19 +0000 Received: from [94.168.171.147] (helo=Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S50H5-0001Wz-NQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:42:19 +0000 Received: from Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::b0b0:8497:b56e:9ced]) by Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::b0b0:8497:b56e:9ced%11]) with mapi; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:42:12 +0000 From: Graeme Dargie To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: lighttpd + php + external mssql server Thread-Index: Acz4oW8G07kUWjh8Qcuy+0yWQwL1IgBh3W2AAGnxqEA= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:42:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05585B@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB04DE85@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> <20120304170443.GB15793@external.screwed.box> In-Reply-To: <20120304170443.GB15793@external.screwed.box> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=pqlA-0YcRngA:10 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=6dG_nmYyAAAA:8 a=6Sm500ByAAAA:8 a=eBmKW84A2wWymYrbLKoA:9 a=-U4jLvU2SV8uT30FJ3gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=fR-Bwqda8R4A:10 a=0qf3x1870akA:10 a=HCOsw55j08PfpBw_:21 a=ryXTiabRtpPE_O26:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: RE: lighttpd + php + external mssql server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:42:27 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vereshagin Sent: 04 March 2012 17:05 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lighttpd + php + external mssql server Hello. 2012/03/03 00:32:40 +0000 Graeme Dargie =3D> To= 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' : GD> I am just looking for some advice or hints if anyone has a clue how to = make a FreeBSD server running lighttpd + php5 connect to an instance of MS = SQL 2008 R2. GD>=20 GD> I have already installed php-extensions for mssql but when I try and=20 GD> run a connection from the FreeBSD server it gives a http 500 The=20 GD> error log has this GD> 2012-03-02 18:20:09: (mod_fastcgi.c.2699) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Fatal=20 GD> error: Call to undefined function mssql_connect() in=20 GD> /usr/local/www/data/ GD>=20 GD> Php -m shows mssql as installed. 1) Command-line php and fastcgi php are able to have a different set of ext= ensions. Look at the phpinfo() output from your fastcgi if it has an mssql = extension. 2) You may want to try an ODBTP extension for mssql connectivity which supp= orts mssql features like 'go' clause batch runs and scroll cursors with fet= ching from them on the contrast to the 'traditional' dblib-based mssql php = extension. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E266= 27 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman= /listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " You are spot on Peter, phpinfo() shows no mssql extension, so I am guessing= the next question is does it have such an extension and if so how to enabl= e it, there are no make config options for the fastcgi I can see in ports. = I am doing this so I can do some work at home for a project that will be lo= oked at elsewhere so portability is a major concern. 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[89.180.27.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id be4sm84041916wib.8.2012.03.06.12.50.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:50:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Alborques" To: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <00b801ccfbda$c75d3b00$5617b100$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acz72riUFqYeYSjiT72Z9GIpgOcpFA== Content-Language: pt Subject: Alborques Online Art Gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:13:42 -0000 ALBORQUES ONLINE ART GALLERY The Alborques is an Online Art Gallery (www.alborques.com) whose mission = is to disseminate worldwide art. 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Se necessitar de algum esclarecimento adicional, agradecemos o seu = contacto pelo e-mail Alborques@gmail.com. =20 Cumprimentos Jo=E3o Zarro www.alborques.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 6 23:30:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97171065672 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from newmail.codefab.com (rrcs-24-103-228-244.nyc.biz.rr.com [24.103.228.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53F28FC15 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F16A11ED6A3D; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:30:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Received: from newmail.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (staging.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aulfLa4Ctcb; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-224-39-126.nycmny.east.verizon.net [96.224.39.126]) by newmail.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A99A811ED6A2D; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:30:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:30:07 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luke Marsden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1331061203.2218.38.camel@pow> In-Reply-To: <1331061203.2218.38.camel@pow> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 23:30:19 -0000 On 3/6/2012 2:13 PM, Luke Marsden wrote: [ ... ] > My current (probably quite simplistic) understanding of the FreeBSD > virtual memory system is that, for each process as reported by top: > > * Size corresponds to the total size of all the text pages for the > process (those belonging to code in the binary itself and linked > libraries) plus data pages (including stack and malloc()'d but > not-yet-written-to memory segments). Size is the amount of the processes' VM address space which has been assigned; the various things you mention indeed are the common things which consume address space, but there are others like shared memory (ie, SysV shmem stuff), memory-mapped hardware like a video card VRAM buffer, thread-local storage, etc. > * Resident corresponds to a subset of the pages above: those pages > which actually occupy physical/core memory. Notably pages may > appear in size but not appear in resident for read-only text > pages from libraries which have not been used yet or which have > been malloc()'d but not yet written-to. Yes. > My understanding for the values for the system as a whole (at the top in > 'top') is as follows: > > * Active / inactive memory is the same thing: resident memory from > processes in use. Being in the inactive as opposed to active > list simply indicates that the pages in question are less > recently used and therefore more likely to get swapped out if > the machine comes under memory pressure. Well, they aren't exactly the same thing. The kernel implements a VM working set algorithm which periodically looks at all of the pages that are in memory and notes whether a process has accessed that page recently. If it has, the page is active; if the page has not been used for "some time", it becomes inactive. If the system has plenty of memory, it will not page or swap anything out. If it is under mild memory pressure, it will only consider pages which are inactive or cache as candidates for which it might page them out. Only under more severe memory pressure will it start looking to swap out entire processes rather than just page individual pages out. [ Although, the FreeBSD implementation supposedly will try to balance the size of the active, inactive, and cache lists (or queues), so it is looking at the active list also-- but you don't want to page out an active page unless you really have to, and if you have to do that, maybe you might as well free up the whole process and let something have enough room to run. ] > * Wired is mostly kernel memory. It's normally all kernel memory; only a rare handful of userland programs such as crypto code like gnupg ever ask for wired memory, AFAIK. > * Cache is freed memory which the kernel has decided to keep in > case it correspond to a useful page in future; it can be cheaply > evicted into the free list. Sort of, although this description fits the "inactive" memory category also. The major distinction is that the system is actively trying to flush any dirty pages in the cache category, so that they are available for reuse by something else immediately. > * Free memory is actually not being used for anything. Yes, although the system likes to have at least a few pre-zeroed pages handy in case an interrupt handler needs them. > It seems that pages which occur in the active + inactive lists must > occur in the resident memory of one or more processes ("or more" since > processes can share pages in e.g. read-only shared libs or COW forked > address space). Everything in the active and inactive (and cache) lists are resident in physical memory. > Conversely, if a page *does not* occur in the resident > memory of any process, it must not occupy any space in the active + > inactive lists. Hmm...if a process gets swapped out entirely, the pages for it will be moved to the cache list, flushed, and then reused as soon as the disk I/O completes. But there is a window where the process can be marked as swapped out (and considered no longer resident), but still has some of it's pages in physical memory. > Therefore the active + inactive memory should always be less than or > equal to the sum of the resident memory of all the processes on the > system, right? No. If you've got a lot of process pages shared (ie, a webserver with lots of httpd children, or a database pulling in a large common shmem area), then your process resident sizes can be very large compared to the system-wide active+inactive count. > This "missing memory" is scary, because it seems to be increasing over > time, and eventually when the system runs out of free memory, I'm > certain it will crash in the same way described in my previous thread > [1]. I don't have enough data to fully evaluate the interactions with ZFS; you can easily get system panics by running out of KVA on a 32-bit system, but that shouldn't apply to a 64-bit kernel. But that's kernel memory, not system VM. What you've described sounds pretty much like a classic load-spiral experienced by pre-forking webservers if you don't constrain the max # of children which can run to something that fits reasonably well without excessive paging, much less swapping. > Is my understanding of the virtual memory system badly broken - in which > case please educate me ;-) or is there a real problem here? If so how > can I dig deeper to help uncover/fix it? You've got a pretty good understanding of VM, but the devil is in the details. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 00:52:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B2D1065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luke@hybrid-logic.co.uk) Received: from hybrid-sites.com (ns226322.hybrid-sites.com [176.31.229.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629D8FC1F for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=ewes) by hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S54rf-000JaQ-8o; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:36:24 +0000 Received: from [78.105.122.99] (helo=[192.168.1.23] by ns226322.hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Hybrid Web Cluster distributed mail proxy) (envelope-from ); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:36:23 -0000 From: Luke Marsden To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> References: <1331061203.2218.38.camel@pow> <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:36:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1331080581.2589.28.camel@pow> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-bar: + Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, team@hybrid-logic.co.uk, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:52:19 -0000 Thanks for your email, Chuck. > > Conversely, if a page *does not* occur in the resident > > memory of any process, it must not occupy any space in the active + > > inactive lists. > > Hmm...if a process gets swapped out entirely, the pages for it will be moved > to the cache list, flushed, and then reused as soon as the disk I/O completes. > But there is a window where the process can be marked as swapped out (and > considered no longer resident), but still has some of it's pages in physical > memory. There's no swapping happening on these machines (intentionally so, because as soon as we hit swap everything goes tits up), so this window doesn't concern me. I'm trying to confirm that, on a system with no pages swapped out, that the following is a true statement: a page is accounted for in active + inactive if and only if it corresponds to one or more of the pages accounted for in the resident memory lists of all the processes on the system (as per the output of 'top' and 'ps') > > Therefore the active + inactive memory should always be less than or > > equal to the sum of the resident memory of all the processes on the > > system, right? > > No. If you've got a lot of process pages shared (ie, a webserver with lots of > httpd children, or a database pulling in a large common shmem area), then your > process resident sizes can be very large compared to the system-wide > active+inactive count. But that's what I'm saying... sum(process resident sizes) >= active + inactive Or as I said it above, equivalently: active + inactive <= sum(process resident sizes) The data I've got from this system, and what's killing us, shows the opposite: active + inactive > sum(process resident sizes) - by over 5GB now and growing, which is what keeps causing these machines to crash. In particular: Mem: 13G Active, 1129M Inact, 7543M Wired, 120M Cache, 1553M Free But the total sum of resident memories is 9457M (according to summing the output from ps or top). 13G + 1129M = 14441M (active + inact) > 9457M (sum of res) That's 4984M out, and that's almost enough to push us over the edge. If my understanding of VM is correct, I don't see how this can happen. But it's happening, and it's causing real trouble here because our free memory keeps hitting zero and then we swap-spiral. What can I do to investigate this discrepancy? Are there some tools that I can use to debug the memory allocated in "active" to find out where it's going, if not to resident process memory? Thanks, Luke -- CTO, Hybrid Logic +447791750420 | +1-415-449-1165 | www.hybrid-cluster.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 01:23:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC2B106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6C88FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so4923789wgb.31 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wswJRLGmF5wvcyKXbUgJ2ngopgvtwuyp0k9ReTg3T5Y=; b=KhPSy1R1N4rBVYQEwbtni5Yy5/b4W+NHVIFVVEv2k7WJnU8m4kgVV/PfW1WBpRxt3T zH1pCfuL4/pMGIA+SCq62SYgHkL0SzyKnxR9o22vCiGNlt2A+hJ/ceU5Tn+eYYeSEtPb OYCd0LUn73Xm+j/y2VhL1pjMISkgYdG7LlgCKgaQUDHE9HUJfcRaIPEFmenJifAeUYzp wnMos10AgkBR/8MDtqVHSX6orVcbr2Cq+UI4sqhvyebJUisNaYI2S6Uef6e7YJGvxkxl owQZdNMO8G2EY+iSyevmdVHDiC3xlsKHUnIfuPho1XqIt6TGUfU6Ql5eCIcwXHzIw1fR 9Kpw== Received: by 10.180.78.225 with SMTP id e1mr334925wix.0.1331083437030; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dw7sm32232083wib.4.2012.03.06.17.23.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:23:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:23:53 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120307012353.7fbf3bd6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> References: <1331061203.2218.38.camel@pow> <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:23:58 -0000 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:30:07 -0500 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On 3/6/2012 2:13 PM, Luke Marsden wrote: > > * Resident corresponds to a subset of the pages above: those > > pages which actually occupy physical/core memory. Notably pages may > > appear in size but not appear in resident for read-only > > text pages from libraries which have not been used yet or which have > > been malloc()'d but not yet written-to. > > Yes. > > > My understanding for the values for the system as a whole (at the > > top in 'top') is as follows: > > > > * Active / inactive memory is the same thing: resident > > memory from processes in use. Being in the inactive as opposed to > > active list simply indicates that the pages in question are less > > recently used and therefore more likely to get swapped out > > if the machine comes under memory pressure. > > Well, they aren't exactly the same thing. The kernel implements a VM > working set algorithm which periodically looks at all of the pages > that are in memory and notes whether a process has accessed that page > recently. If it has, the page is active; if the page has not been > used for "some time", it becomes inactive. I think the previous poster has it about right, it's mostly about lifecycle. The inactive queue contains a mixture of resident and non-resident memory. It's commonly dominated by disk cache pages, and consequently is easily blown away by recursive greps etc. > > * Cache is freed memory which the kernel has decided to keep > > in case it correspond to a useful page in future; it can be cheaply > > evicted into the free list. > > Sort of, although this description fits the "inactive" memory > category also. > > The major distinction is that the system is actively trying to flush > any dirty pages in the cache category, so that they are available for > reuse by something else immediately. Only clean pages are added to cache. A dirty page will go twice around the inactive queue as dirty, get flushed and then do a third pass as a clean page. The point of cache is that it's a small stock of memory that's available for immediate reuse, the pages have nothing else in common. On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:36:21 +0000 Luke Marsden wrote: > But that's what I'm saying... > > sum(process resident sizes) >= active + inactive Inactive memory contains disc cache. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 01:45:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D432A106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB98FC16 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033045C28 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:58:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 346F05C22 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:58:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F56BC66.5000908@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:39:50 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> <20120305175551.ae24b6f0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F564B17.1010700@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port to package amd64 to i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:45:06 -0000 On 03/07/12 04:13, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> Again, a "problem" is that packages can only be generated >>> if the port has been installed >>> >> Why is that. I hope you can educate me on that. >> > Because a package is the result of what is installed. It essentially works > somewhat like Debian's checkinstall by keeping track of what's installed by > the installation script, then using the info of what's installed to build > the package. I'm not exactly sure how "make package" works internally, but > it wouldn't surprise me if it's almost the same as "pkg_create -b". From what I understand of ports (as a maintainer) that is the case; plus some other bits and pieces for checking, verification, and cleanup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 05:11:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32AB106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692B58FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D535C28 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:24:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 158185C22 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:24:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F56ECB2.6000702@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:05:54 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:11:03 -0000 On 03/07/12 01:01, David Walker wrote: > Da Rock freebsd-questions at herveybayaustralia.com.au >> What tv card? Mine work fine.... > Thread here: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-drivers/2012-February/001370.html May have to do with the cx88 port available, especially as its from 2006 (last word 2008). I would put my money on that as a solution, which is why I couldn't quite understand why you said it didn't work. CX88 has been available since 2010. Comes with apps, and also means to make all the v4l based apps (like xine, mplayer) work as well. I would doubt that that pr will ever go through for that reason. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 05:12:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E015106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wowopla@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389C98FC16 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so4784073vcm.13 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:12:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TElHg7MM4A56yuA5LoRw4sx5mDhNgJri+zd/+7437qM=; b=T5h1b6WX1QPlKrPej0kg8u4ce53HdF1wjMl8Zlbzi1cA6QWcvoMTmQP0PBYpqLoKMZ dlGofsRyUDmPY1EOeZuRVpCIM35mwTVfq80ndyplrZuLXGxszGf3HDyLT7lCQamGlS4l k8SzCDp7B8B1gfYCVUbKOrSYxraF7EPxKeC3oHJ13Ry4JzvRcvCZGsaCWhpahrtPgCEf KlDZFfSUAAOdqryFtVz/wCHPX6tVtV6uYfzTuNwHf2lmb+MfnBUYqrKi6a8aayihaiC2 w+vp7Gzxdy2YRpjVnn9pou50DJE5YaGWJcJp/nvb4hK4dlIHfUlkGgUnW1ymjw4Hj7UK re9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.70.209 with SMTP id o17mr1042313vdu.11.1331095312854; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.27.18 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:41:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:41:52 +0800 Message-ID: From: bo wang To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:12:37 -0000 Hello: Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the problem?Detailed configuration as follows in the BSD9.0 /etc/rc.conf hostname="bbc04" ifconfig_bce2="up" ifconfig_bce3="up" ifconfig_bce4="up" ifconfig_bce5="up" ifconfig_bce6="up" ifconfig_bce7="up" cloned_interfaces="lagg0" ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" ipv4_addrs_lagg0="172.16.60.64/16" defaultrouter="172.16.0.1" sshd_enable="YES" pureftpd_enable="YES" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev="NO" the Cisco 3750 configure interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 channel-proto lacp channel-group 1 mode active interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 channel-proto lacp channel-group 2 mode active From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 08:27:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB5C106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768EC8FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so4758066wer.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.92.229 with SMTP id cp5mr1942532wib.8.1331107473983; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm91598862wid.2.2012.03.07.00.04.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:04:33 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <2853FE08-09C9-4019-A387-C13EA5D5B6DB@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:03:42 +0100 To: bo wang X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt327CQZvjo7naegztoT8x57S7jFyd4K/x/aSLuaUdQsilVAqLp21UgCrpSjFps+JW31Fc Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:27:41 -0000 Sorry top post, not so smartphone. Do this on your c3750, in privileged mode: Show ether 1 sum On 7 Mar 2012, at 05:41, bo wang wrote: > Hello: > Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the > speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD > 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html= > I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can > do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the > problem?Detailed configuration as follows >=20 > in the BSD9.0 /etc/rc.conf > hostname=3D"bbc04" > ifconfig_bce2=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce3=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce4=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce5=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce6=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce7=3D"up" > cloned_interfaces=3D"lagg0" > ifconfig_lagg0=3D"laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 > laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" > ipv4_addrs_lagg0=3D"172.16.60.64/16" > defaultrouter=3D"172.16.0.1" > sshd_enable=3D"YES" > pureftpd_enable=3D"YES" > # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable > dumpdev=3D"NO" >=20 > the Cisco 3750 configure > interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 > channel-proto lacp > channel-group 1 mode active >=20 >=20 > interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 > channel-proto lacp > channel-group 2 mode active > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 08:44:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC98106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249C68FC15 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q278iZtS088890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:44:36 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q278iZtS088890 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1331109876; bh=H35sVFJMT/PqnNTWWRhw7OcPoWzCKIzhXLECJ5XtT7o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=oS3ug4RA6Jr0Cl6glaMGpJvO7zcQD+rpHt2k6t94X/gX5MFhlfeZa+fwQJp3byLsr efnhUEJKALv1oyglN9QoioONe2/52/wUItfBOQiPCUOe9YJ1P8ufe0x8SECAqk9Lop myhIElUQtYgm1fIRbNM0dL1edW+E42ZKch73GUnU= Message-ID: <4F571FE8.3040708@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:44:24 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F547C59.1040604@bananmonarki.se> <4F548571.1050203@gmail.com> <4F54ED12.1090409@bananmonarki.se> <20120305175551.ae24b6f0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F564B17.1010700@bananmonarki.se> <4F56BC66.5000908@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F56BC66.5000908@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig604BECA04AC63871861E39CC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Why you have to install a port to create a package (was Re: port to package amd64 to i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:44:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig604BECA04AC63871861E39CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/03/2012 01:39, Da Rock wrote: > On 03/07/12 04:13, Adam Vande More wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bernt Hansson=20 >> wrote: >>> Again, a "problem" is that packages can only be generated >>>> if the port has been installed >>> Why is that. I hope you can educate me on that. >> Because a package is the result of what is installed. It >> essentially works somewhat like Debian's checkinstall by keeping >> track of what's installed by the installation script, then using >> the info of what's installed to build the package. I'm not exactly >> sure how "make package" works internally, but it wouldn't surprise >> me if it's almost the same as "pkg_create -b". > From what I understand of ports (as a maintainer) that is the case; plu= s > some other bits and pieces for checking, verification, and cleanup. DaRock has the essentials of how it works correct. When a port is installed, the first step is to install the software, typically using the standard install target from upstream, although it's not unusual for the port to just copy files into place itself[*]. That miscellaneous collection of files is then turned into a package by collecting the data on file names and checksums in the packing list, the package comment, any install messages or install/deinstall scripts into the package directory /var/db/pkg/pkgname-0.99 If you're interested, this stage is dealt with by the 'fake-pkg' target in bsd.ports.mk [[pkgng works almost identically, except the data is stored in a sqlite DB rather than separate directories in the filesystem.]] Note that technically, a package is that combination of the collection of files and the metadata about those files in the package registry. A package can be in two different states: installed, with the files spread around the directory tree or as a tarball -- for the original pkg format, /var/db/pkgname-0.99 and all the files owned by the package; for pkgng, the metadata is held as a YAML file. pkg_add(1) converts from the tarball to the installed state, 'pkg_create -b' goes in the other direction. The difference between 'make install' and 'make package' in the ports is simply the addition of a final pkg_create step. Now, there is no a priori reason why all of this has to be done using the live /usr/local directory tree on your system. OpenBSD ports has entirely switched to using a chroot for building package tarballs, and in fact the FreeBSD package build cluster and Tinderbox basically work that way already. The procedure is to install all of the required {FETCH,PATCH,BUILD,RUN,PKG} dependencies into a chroot filesystem (from previously built package tarballs), install the port into the same chroot and generate a package tarball from it. There are advantages and disadvantages either way. Building in a chroot requires a lot more copying files around and general faff. On the other hand; it makes it easier to build as a non-privileged user, it makes cross-building for different architectures feasible and it completely avoids problems to do with software arbitrarily deciding to link against random shared libraries it finds around the system -- or indeed to accidentally use header files from a completely different piece of software. Converting ports to build in a chroot is one of those ideas that is constantly bubbling up, but that never quite seems to get implemented. Cheers, Matthew [*] For completeness, the 'port' is the collection of instructions for downloading the sources, patching, building and installing the software, managing the dependency hierarchy required to do all that and dealing with tracking all those files by creating the package metadata. Although it is common to speak of 'installing a port' in fact what gets installed is a package, and it is the port that does the installing. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig604BECA04AC63871861E39CC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9XH/IACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzpQACgiTqCosCtd8mmo8bh34cSXr4s Yt8AoJNLJMyccyOOoxmZPr1blHgPWAsC =1XC9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig604BECA04AC63871861E39CC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 09:06:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA67106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from egoitz@ramattack.net) Received: from proxypop04.sare.net (proxypop04.sare.net [194.30.0.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDEA8FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.saremail.com (unknown [194.30.0.100]) by proxypop04.sare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F44C9DC57D for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:06:02 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:06:02 +0100 From: egoitz@ramattack.net To: Message-ID: <95bc4e7e0c351e431f4d4344448f021d@ramattack.net> X-Sender: egoitz@ramattack.net User-Agent: Saremail/0.6-svn Subject: Building a releng_9_0 with sysinstall, livefs and mfsroot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:06:04 -0000 Good morning, Have just sent to freebsd-hackers mailing list the way of doing this. I say this because perhaps could be useful for someone... Best regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 09:31:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4B51065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635D58FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pool-96-229-186-65.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [96.229.186.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q278rEqq043007 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:53:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:53:13 -0800 Message-Id: To: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Dynamic Libraries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:31:52 -0000 I have encountered something that I do not understand. Everything works = fine. Basically I have a bunch of user modules (low level) that are = built into a dynamic library. If I write top level code that calls = modules in that library, everything works just fine on i386 and AMD64. = However, the application involved has another library of modules. Some = of them call modules in the low level library. The top level code call = modules in both libraries. Often when it calls a module in the mid = level library, that module calls several modules in the low level = library. All this works just fine on i386. However, when I compile everything on = AMD64 I get an error message that says the lower level library needs to = be compiled with fPIC. If I add that to the Makefile for the lower = level library and rebuild everything, it all works again. I don't = understand why the fPIC is required for AMD64. Also, how do I tell if the lower level library is being dynamically = linked at run time, or being directly incorporated into the mid level = library or top level application? Since both of these libraries are = quite large, and they are in use by a number of top level applications, = I want just one copy to exist in physical memory.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 10:04:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C90106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BED88FC17 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so2254359eaa.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 02:04:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dh2Aaaz6/XdhF8bkAyv1WJUJrKdSPVIyzFdQ+dsvZRI=; b=qnVk0mFA3ftDdbWOJ+oUHXEXz93OXOYS8fLMipN+R0LPXMbOr/eTNx5Ah3b6UUXdQ5 T9uW+LCBZZPnintvmE3b9E61MkHz/mS7BIc8T2M9UC6yqL4pyRhWhKGT86b9zeZJSlFp u6FwTMbHEODKKUOvIfTrCCUWVb0g8jjiJLfeRPZ8phJCReZjTrLPayX/PZcMsSM4wA5y dK4awXeXJz1uXhYhzwHsi1xNvwInh98iLvvDT5MBKiPIg7ryWnCAhRPMkm63ntBNfwrt Vi0MAf5u/3pCdYG4xo8RRiDn4zVk/RLMso8c3fzyiohWQAhGFcwDR0u/DDeZOmM++3rd k7ag== Received: by 10.14.28.4 with SMTP id f4mr621882eea.52.1331113219134; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from green.tandem.local (75-208-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net. [95.132.208.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o49sm85360540eeb.7.2012.03.07.01.40.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:40:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F572CFF.8030708@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:40:15 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120220 Firefox/10.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Hardie References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Dynamic Libraries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:04:43 -0000 Doug Hardie wrote: > I have encountered something that I do not understand. Everything works fine. Basically I have a bunch of user modules (low level) that are built into a dynamic library. If I write top level code that calls modules in that library, everything works just fine on i386 and AMD64. However, the application involved has another library of modules. Some of them call modules in the low level library. The top level code call modules in both libraries. Often when it calls a module in the mid level library, that module calls several modules in the low level library. > > All this works just fine on i386. However, when I compile everything on AMD64 I get an error message that says the lower level library needs to be compiled with fPIC. If I add that to the Makefile for the lower level library and rebuild everything, it all works again. I don't understand why the fPIC is required for AMD64. > > Also, how do I tell if the lower level library is being dynamically linked at run time, or being directly incorporated into the mid level library or top level application? Since both of these libraries are quite large, and they are in use by a number of top level applications, I want just one copy to exist in physical memory. This sounds exactly like compiling with clang through ccache. There are issues with clang and ccache cooperation. Actually the one you may hit is libtool detecting implicit fPIC requirement when running clang through ccache. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 10:12:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6B4106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luke-lists@hybrid-logic.co.uk) Received: from hybrid-sites.com (ns225413.hybrid-sites.com [176.31.225.127]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02BA8FC13 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=ewes) by hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S5DAj-000CuX-NS; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:28:43 +0000 Received: from [78.105.122.99] (helo=[192.168.1.23] by ns225413.hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Hybrid Web Cluster distributed mail proxy) (envelope-from ); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:28:37 -0000 From: Luke Marsden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120307082338.GD75778@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <1331061203.2218.38.camel@pow> <4F569DFF.8040807@mac.com> <1331080581.2589.28.camel@pow> <20120307082338.GD75778@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1331112515.2589.52.camel@pow> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-bar: + Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:12:37 -0000 On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 10:23 +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:36:21AM +0000, Luke Marsden wrote: > > I'm trying to confirm that, on a system with no pages swapped out, that > > the following is a true statement: > > > > a page is accounted for in active + inactive if and only if it > > corresponds to one or more of the pages accounted for in the > > resident memory lists of all the processes on the system (as per > > the output of 'top' and 'ps') > No. > > The pages belonging to vnode vm object can be active or inactive or cached > but not mapped into any process address space. Thank you, Konstantin. Does the number of vnodes we've got open on this machine (272011) fully explain away the memory gap? Memory gap: 11264M active + 2598M inactive - 9297M sum-of-resident = 4565M Active vnodes: vfs.numvnodes: 272011 That gives a lower bound at 17.18Kb per vode (or higher if we take into account shared libs, etc); that seems a bit high for a vnode vm object doesn't it? If that doesn't fully explain it, what else might be chewing through active memory? Also, when are vnodes freed? This system does have some tuning... kern.maxfiles: 1000000 vm.pmap.pv_entry_max: 73296250 Could that be contributing to so much active + inactive memory (5GB+ more than expected), or do PV entries live in wired e.g. kernel memory? On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 17:48 -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > In my experience, the bulk of the memory in the inactive category is > cached disk blocks, at least for ufs (I think zfs does things > differently). On this desktop machine I have 12G physical and > typically have roughly 11G inactive, and I can unmount one particular > filesystem where most of my work is done and instantly I have almost > no inactive and roughly 11G free. Okay, so this could be UFS disk cache, except the system is ZFS-on-root with no UFS filesystems active or mounted. Can I confirm that no double-caching of ZFS data is happening in active + inactive (+ cache) memory? Thanks, Luke -- CTO, Hybrid Logic +447791750420 | +1-415-449-1165 | www.hybrid-cluster.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 12:02:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A021065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@zahost.ru) Received: from c001n01.zahost.ru (c001n01.zahost.ru [88.212.201.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBA48FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.151.175.36] (helo=viloxi-da389e0c) by c001n01.zahost.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S5Fsy-000ABB-DV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:22:28 +0300 From: "admin@zahost.ru" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:19:45 +0400 X-Mailer: The Bee 1.1 build 100 Message-Id: <20120307120205.88A021065672@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Intel PCI Serial Port - no driver attached X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:02:05 -0000 Hello, Intel AMT "Serial over LAN" does not work in FreeBSD. PCI Serial Port device -> no driver attached -> ttyuX not added to system. # pciconf Current: none1@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x070002 card=0x10048086 chip=0x2e178086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 But should be: uart0@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x070002 card=0x10048086 chip=0x2e178086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 Links: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-March/033504.html - not solved. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-June/057494.html - not solved. http://sourceforge.net/projects/openamt/ - Linux HECI-driver project. Not SOL driver! Intel AMT SOL work in Linux. Linux default pci2uart bridge driver supports the operation of the device: http://linux.die.net/man/7/amt-howto ===> > If you have activated AMT and SOL the linux kernel should see an additional serial port, like this on my machine: > # dmesg | grep ttyS2 > 0000:00:03.3: ttyS2 at I/O 0xe000 (irq = 169) is a 16550A Issuing a # pciconf results in FreeBSD 8.X (device puc & uart included in kernel): none1@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x070002 card=0x10048086 chip=0x2e178086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Intel PCI Serial Port (CC_0700)' class = simple comms subclass = UART Issuing a # pciconf results in FreeBSD 9.X (device puc & uart included in kernel): none1@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x070002 card=0x10048086 chip=0x2e178086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '4 Series Chipset Serial KT Controller' class = simple comms subclass = UART Ubuntu info: *-communication:1 description: Serial controller product: 4 Series Chipset Serial KT Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 3.3 bus info: pci@0000:00:03.3 version: 03 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pm msi 16550 bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=serial latency=0 resources: irq:17 ioport:ecb8(size=8) memory:fdfda000-fdfdafff # ndisgen Windows Intel AMT SOL (PCI Serial Port device) driver (from MEI_AMT_ALLOS_6.1.0.1042_PV, 2009 or from LMS_SOL_AllOS_5.4.0.1065_PV, 2007) - not possible. FreeBSD change source: /sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c { 0x8086, 0x2e17, 0x8086, 0x1004, "Intel PCI Serial Port (CC_0700)", DEFAULT_RCLK, PUC_PORT_1S, 0x10, 0, 0, }, No effect... :( Full Datasheet. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/xeon/4-chipset-family-datasheet.html - "Serial Port for Remote Keyboard and Text (KT) Redirection". What are the correct settings from Datasheet be substituted into: /sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c ??? P.S. 1. IPMI Serial over LAN driver (extended LAN interface) and Intel AMT hardware SOL (internal PCI Serial Port device) - this is different technology! 2. Fulltext discussion: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=30252 Regards, Bulanov Vladimir. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 13:01:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D6106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb.1234abcd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BFC8FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so2999072yen.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:01:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QngU+k9YhN7ojF6+Z5Y2PF7YgJ6oftjHaVcNeaNUsJc=; b=YEGzpjxKo/718vsjcDm825EK7XS8QjqVDIs4e5uK00syjTXMR/JImNTXvGTw/kwchA OciowcxY0MkGjQWBMQNpT8pgg+8e8Jc0sBcrX6lY6nAF3KjkoXEUvOoVZivc8Kl+aw4J 8nlwPNrQwIipPkBS76S49OqlfdmoM/pu/1BWaddYyGM0oPyv+OyAhSnqxBb04186oYlS tYgph9TJeeNUqzWWwpkIQFmjyLwHYaEQDJH3Q8xm8ESEbyI9hXr9asIR0n73AFmPu0/X nINTPguC/EHT+bcwWBTACyHP1zJaj4Iwmioa8I3owyIz1TNp1JtUXYzXv5sTiINMK3/6 oEGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.189.9 with SMTP id b9mr4216738yhn.48.1331123639149; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 04:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.146.232.12 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 04:33:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:33:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: J B To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:01:23 -0000 On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:23:38 +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:36:21AM +0000, Luke Marsden wrote: > ... >> I'm trying to confirm that, on a system with no pages swapped out, that >> the following is a true statement: >> >> a page is accounted for in active + inactive if and only if it >> corresponds to one or more of the pages accounted for in the >> resident memory lists of all the processes on the system (as >> per the output of 'top' and 'ps') > No. > > The pages belonging to vnode vm object can be active or inactive or > cached but not mapped into any process address space. I wonder if some ideas by Denys Vlasenko contained in this thread http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/157706 would be useful ? ... "Today, I'm looking at my process list, sorted by amount of dirtied pages (which very closely matches amount of malloced and used space - that is, malloced, but not-written to memory areas are not included). This is the most expensive type of pages, they can't be discarded. If we would be in memory squeeze, kernel will have to swap them out, if swap exists, otherwise kernel can't do anything at all." ... "Note that any shared pages (such as glibc) are not freed this way; also, non-mapped pages (such as large, but unused malloced space, or large, but unused file mappings) also do not contribute to MemFree increase." jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 13:57:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2353106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carstenmattner@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708FC8FC18 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so3294776ggn.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:57:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mZ0h137lbdIN6Wyu0DUGBor07MNSKWVQdyagvr+cwKQ=; b=fj5Bp3VMeflXLgW155ncqck1qTbLKwSRXn1DUq8uyPIjeCxtRDXfn7405FjlHfodNR A1kh82RPnQX7it+u227cEo1Xh4ucrwpjhSCjs5zIhhEmef8yLYM3gZoGUkagLD5IqZTd RbNv1j6C+zQsbeLvlcllOA+43KmpA16ZG88YQj9dmhipMofQLK6QG1H6Uea8C8WfAJt5 bTB1gaU/jxgxC0NOHsbYj77G5SM60SsH3dfKXjeE3T2xiG7OgPSyuo+sPHDkI3eqmPaJ jDTWmPjsoNDnSAAx2rDZiatbsl1yU5TpxKIwzEKlTS9usAGqSKT1bY3QeAZBn0EYbMD7 Dz3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.186.198 with SMTP id fm6mr1798585igc.40.1331127145450; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.111.132 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:32:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:32:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Carsten Mattner To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Single boot EFI Mac install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:57:44 -0000 Has anyone successfully installed FreeBSD as a single boot system on an EFI Mac? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 14:12:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDB01065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED978FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so7041385bkc.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.2 with SMTP id m2mr927673bkw.110.1331129535905; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jc4sm38884535bkc.7.2012.03.07.06.12.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:12:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F576CBE.5040607@my.gd> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:12:14 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krad References: <1330390351993-5520494.post@n5.nabble.com> <4F4C8A61.5010605@my.gd> <4F55A834.5050302@comcast.net> <4F55DDBA.9010301@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkkiml9LFSzBIBUVIcHq5lO6TIqZBvp6sPTGqIg4OZVFJHCVHTgZygfYxQmP3P+X77ydHU5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:12:18 -0000 On 3/6/12 12:30 PM, krad wrote: > > apart from a major bump in the version of pf. Still the old syntax though, what I'm eager for is 10.0 with the upgrade to 4.8 openbsd PF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 14:39:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0BD1065677 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail1.dur1.host-h.net (mail1.dur1.host-h.net [196.7.18.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B9B8FC18 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.7.147.49] (helo=[192.168.1.86]) by mail1.dur1.host-h.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S5I1K-0000En-Lv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:39:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:39:14 +0200 From: Brent Clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.3/14603/Wed Mar 7 14:13:01 2012) Subject: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:39:23 -0000 Hiya I would like to ask. Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about ip aliasing. I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and another process to vr0:1. Thanks Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 15:01:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CB21065675 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5FD8FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q27F1gr6032522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:01:42 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q27F1gr6032522 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1331132502; bh=7UTQYzNs+H4GqDb0CW3jF7f95Mf1n3hS1slb+mTijbY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=bIhsIfQfVQhKB+WCkfS1u/9I2pzmDqrdF6CBiiqqgMi/kLHqlYUgIlmbhJODvnUmw WmJz3Jm695ixfUgTlq8DGvs6IHh8QDpNUT47uINHgv1YZTVAvTkBE9w3QueS9u81x7 ENkeXtF8UzxHkIVdMhNiw9p9ZDJFvaUyHDDx1FTU= Message-ID: <4F57784E.9050602@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:01:34 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0C83A867FE3CC6907A9B5930" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:01:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0C83A867FE3CC6907A9B5930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/03/2012 14:39, Brent Clark wrote: > I would like to ask. >=20 > Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about > ip aliasing. >=20 > I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and > another process to vr0:1. Yes, you can have alias addresses very easily: ifconfig em0 inet 192.0.2.2/24 alias or in /etc/rc.conf: ipv4_addrs_em0=3D"192.0.2.1/24 192.0.2.2/24" (But I think this is what you mean by IP aliasing?) Since this is BSD, we don't have the SysV-ish idea of separate devices just for aliases. In fact, in *BSD once you've added the alias, it's just one of the addresses on the interface, co-equal with all the others. You could go on to remove the original address, which makes it easy to renumber a host without downtime. You usually don't need a separate device in any case: just configuring a daemon to listen using a specific IP is all that is needed for almost all purposes. What exactly is it you are trying to achieve and why isn't it suitable to use aliases as above? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig0C83A867FE3CC6907A9B5930 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9XeFUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxSVACfRuee7W6X4pavg9Xumg8iietU h2UAn2EEAXWEA2+l1GanChVcTwCzI3XI =A3rC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0C83A867FE3CC6907A9B5930-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 15:03:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3251065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76168FC0A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:03:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:03:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5778D0.10800@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:03:44 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:03:51 -0000 On 03/07/2012 03:39 PM, Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > I would like to ask. > > Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about ip > aliasing. > > I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and > another process to vr0:1. What do you want to accomplish? Processes usually listen on adresses or sockets Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 15:17:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF0106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luke-lists@hybrid-logic.co.uk) Received: from hybrid-sites.com (ns226322.hybrid-sites.com [176.31.229.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC708FC15 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=ewes) by hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S5Ibt-000Jxi-0T; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:17:06 +0000 Received: from [193.37.225.212] (helo=[10.0.126.148] by ns226322.hybrid-sites.com with esmtp (Hybrid Web Cluster distributed mail proxy) (envelope-from ); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:17:01 -0000 From: Luke Marsden To: J B In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: <1331133417.2589.101.camel@pow> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-bar: + Cc: tech@hybrid-logic.co.uk, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 - active plus inactive memory leak!? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:17:09 -0000 On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:33 +0100, J B wrote: > On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:23:38 +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:36:21AM +0000, Luke Marsden wrote: > > ... > >> I'm trying to confirm that, on a system with no pages swapped out, that > >> the following is a true statement: > >> > >> a page is accounted for in active + inactive if and only if it > >> corresponds to one or more of the pages accounted for in the > >> resident memory lists of all the processes on the system (as > >> per the output of 'top' and 'ps') > > No. > > > > The pages belonging to vnode vm object can be active or inactive or > > cached but not mapped into any process address space. > > I wonder if some ideas by Denys Vlasenko contained in this thread > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/157706 > would be useful ? https://github.com/pixelb/scripts/blob/master/scripts/ps_mem.py This looks like a really useful script, and looks like it works under FreeBSD with linprocfs. Good find! Cheers, Luke > ... > "Today, I'm looking at my process list, sorted by amount of dirtied pages > (which very closely matches amount of malloced and used space - that is, > malloced, but not-written to memory areas are not included). > This is the most expensive type of pages, they can't be discarded. > If we would be in memory squeeze, kernel will have to swap them out, > if swap exists, otherwise kernel can't do anything at all." > ... > "Note that any shared pages (such as glibc) are not freed this way; > also, non-mapped pages (such as large, but unused malloced space, or large, > but unused file mappings) also do not contribute to MemFree increase." > > jb -- CTO, Hybrid Logic +447791750420 | +1-415-449-1165 | www.hybrid-cluster.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 15:24:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A678106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FC28FC1E for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:24:23 -0500 Message-ID: <4F577D9E.4020705@olivent.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:24:14 -0500 From: Mikel King Organization: Olivent Technologies, llc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brent Clark References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:24:33 -0000 On 3/7/12 9:39 AM, Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > I would like to ask. > > Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about > ip aliasing. > > I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and > another process to vr0:1. > > Thanks > Brent Brent, You can rename an interface to just about anything you wish. If the process allows for interface binding then you can use that new name. http://jafdip.com/index.php/2008/09/08/renaming-ethernet-interfaces-under-freebsd-7x/ Regards, Mikel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 15:59:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9644F106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323F58FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:59:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:59:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5785D9.8050903@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:59:21 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> <4F577D9E.4020705@olivent.com> In-Reply-To: <4F577D9E.4020705@olivent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:59:23 -0000 On 03/07/2012 04:24 PM, Mikel King wrote: > On 3/7/12 9:39 AM, Brent Clark wrote: >> Hiya >> >> I would like to ask. >> >> Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about ip >> aliasing. >> >> I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and >> another process to vr0:1. >> >> Thanks >> Brent > > Brent, > > You can rename an interface to just about anything you wish. If the > process allows for interface binding then you can use that new name. > > http://jafdip.com/index.php/2008/09/08/renaming-ethernet-interfaces-under-freebsd-7x/ > This gives the interface a different name. It does not create an alias name for the interface as far as I understand. Kind regards, Bas Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 16:28:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060D6106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754658FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so7233279bkc.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zwyDgU99ysSSe+ojkgxCJExvkc1Mlj2Dj08ROYvwbPM=; b=CyW+i6CyiWmXvDNhpEqO9GNWIZiekjVcth467yIH6X0atKTvrPcHvUHE3qk3lD2MSn +XnTsmGU/KVxMLiw88fIwPnn53wMeAGoAgNTXDLleDSPGjLJIK2ArdE91N4v1JLRzLXz 64DLGEzmyuI48QrA8SD3NBu9x2tmsOv9QZOOlwpDCyboKbU9HXYhcCa8U4zEPkGHd2bZ jaaGZGkX+SAQnEnF7o0IEdYZYUgZSHw8JcBdhVM546rpF75EMLwqcaUV6vHWXP1v0lRs hIOYy+AzOe6MZ5Z5iCGEs1O83iL8nB/8MPef35MX8s8mpDY14sEiS56lqeXJfmY4lJbi ANZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.233 with SMTP id c9mr961607lbz.1.1331137727286; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:28:49 -0000 I still have yet to find a resolution to the problems I have had with binary packages and upgrades on FreeBSD. Binary upgrading is broken with every tool I have tried. There is no real reason why FreeBSD should not provide a facility for users to be able to binary upgrade to the most recent version of all packages with a simple upgrade command. One faulty argument I heard was that it is often not a good idea to upgrade to new software release. The whole purpose of having a release cycle for programs is to provide stable, tested releases for the public to install that will will work properly, and improve upon and fix problems with older releases. This is why mainline release are differentiated from betas and the CVS downloads which are experimental. So you really do want the most recent release, especially for corrections to any security problem. Making upgrades more difficult actually makes the system more insecure by exposing people for a long time to security problems that were fixed in software but making it difficult for people to upgrade. As for the security issues of downloading binary packages. The fact is source packages are not safer than binary packages, more on that in a bit. I am astonished that people here would not realise the obvious, having safe binary installs is do-able from mirror sites, just have the package management software download MD5s from many mirror sites, compare them and test the downloaded package, is they are off, then the package will not be installed the user will be prompted to allow a notification of the problem to be sent to the FreeBSD administrators. The fact is, binary releases are no more dangerous than source releases, someone could just as easily insert bad code in a source code package on a mirror, you need automated MD5 checking anyway, for both binary or source upgrades. So the idea that source upgrades are safer is false, just dead wrong. As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for the standard i386 CPU. If people want customisations then they can build the software for themselves. A good software philosophy is to allow software to work out of the box with as little configuration as possible, but allow everything to be configured by the user if they want, by shipping software with reasonable defaults which can be overridden by the user. Make simple things easy and complicated things doable. In GUI, by default, complexity can be hidden from users, but if people want fine grain control, they should be free to use advanced screens of the GUI to get complex, fine grained control. In GUI design, more commonly used settings can be provided more upfront while advanced features for use by experts can be placed deeper in advanced or expert screens oft the GUI. Everything should be able to be configured or accomplished by both GUI and CLI and API. A good user friendly model for a useable OS is to allow for binary packages of the entire system to be upgraded with a single upgrade command. It should work out of the box without hassle. Keeping software up to date to recent releases is good practice, remember what I said about the purpose of software releases. make it easy. why dont the freebsd administrators just have a build machine that automatically compiles the software and makes them available as the ports are updated. The user should be able to keep their system up to date without doing any system wide all at once OS-release upgrades at all. There is no reason why kernel and userland programs have to be upgraded at the same time. Especially considering its a good design practice for kernel to provide backward compatability. Instead the system would be piecemeal updated over time, including the kernel, in a piecemeal fashion. The need for system wide OS distribution version numbers like FreeBSD 9.0 is becoming obsolete. Versions are still very valuable for the kernel, but for collections of the entire system software, it has become much less relevant. This was from an age when people would receive a Tape or CD in the mail and update everything all at once, now software can be upgraded in a piecemeal way over time with automatic updates. The CD-based upgrade and all at once system wide upgrades actually for reasons are inferior, in that it meant often months would go by before a software program was updated, delying the application of vital security fixes. Before the age of the internet and the hacker, that may have been acceptable. Its not anymore. With Firefox and Flash for instance, security fixes are made sometimes weekly, with an system wide at once upgrade model, it could be a very long time between upgrades of such software between releases of the OS software distribution CD. The idea of waiting on a FreeBSD kernel release to upgrade firefox is absurd, and the idea that firefox must be upgraded during a kernel upgrade is also absurd. The piecemeal model is much more convenient for users, providing more up to date packages and no OS release upgrade hassle. There really should be little reason for release upgrades anymore these days, when the different parts of the system can be upgraded independantly through a binary package management tool, including kernel and user programs. When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there has to be synchronization of the upgrading. Some here suggested PC-BSD, it was no better at all than FreeBSD, In fact in its documentation it demanded a complete system reinstall just to upgrade to a new kernel version. An OS that requires a user to reinstall everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. It creates more trouble and difficulty for users and ironically makes the system more user unfriendly, and makes these users suffer due to the design faults of the system, a user having to upgrade userland packages for a kernel upgrade is a symptom of serious design faults and deficiencies. These two parts should be able to be upgraded independently and a good system assures backwards compatability support so older packages can run on a newer kernel. For now I have totally given up on FreeBSD, all I had with FreeBSD were problems, big problems. The lack of smooth binary upgrades, and the poor virtual box support made it very difficult to use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 16:57:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3D9106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741168FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so10577763lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0ttYrWUUv3PLuVWseCOTTQ38KWjhroLvXfRNIAGK4XQ=; b=rLmCGgO14amKEhVckYYT8B3i4AyWTBG+J+GMdgokbG61exLTGQjLJ5oxtKFGE3mZ3h g0wnSQySyRWvDxA7hsfEpWSw11XQpjpw/73b016XF4rdfQ1szKNHi727BzJ+gw6hkvBh U7j8FKTrbn3Af4GnJA75TMZTmYA8yUJ10WUgAwhFSllGU4PYVZID+5yjQEipNowLBaW5 1n8AJwDx3nvc67C1jIizql7Yk69V61Uglh0RqVJR8R6W2LGgoHml2f9ffwXPKLokbQBL mQfY522CuujMAVySbqbTrqL7RJkab/A5V75j1jvU5flb0xFCfEF5vTR+qWszLOGcnuKN PIFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.132.130 with SMTP id ou2mr1916717lab.44.1331139434376; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <399324676-1331139040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-594398019-@b18.c4.bise3.blackberry> References: <399324676-1331139040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-594398019-@b18.c4.bise3.blackberry> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: thomas@sanbe-farma.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:57:16 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, wrote: > Hmm what is the problem ? Is there a log or something that you can share = ? > Usually portsnap, freebsd-update, pkg_add -r or portupgrade that do binar= y > update should be enough > > Ive tried them all. I will work on getting some logs to post here shortly > Regards > Sent from my BlackBerry=AE smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung > Teruuusss...! > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jackson > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 > To: > Subject: Still having trouble with package upgrades > > I still have yet to find a resolution to the problems I have had with > binary packages and upgrades on FreeBSD. Binary upgrading is broken with > every tool I have tried. > > There is no real reason why FreeBSD should not provide a facility for use= rs > to be able to binary upgrade to the most recent version of all packages > with a simple upgrade command. > > One faulty argument I heard was that it is often not a good idea to upgra= de > to new software release. The whole purpose of having a release cycle for > programs is to provide stable, tested releases for the public to install > that will will work properly, and improve upon and fix problems with olde= r > releases. This is why mainline release are differentiated from betas and > the CVS downloads which are experimental. So you really do want the most > recent release, especially for corrections to any security problem. Makin= g > upgrades more difficult actually makes the system more insecure by exposi= ng > people for a long time to security problems that were fixed in software b= ut > making it difficult for people to upgrade. > > > As for the security issues of downloading binary packages. The fact is > source packages are not safer than binary packages, more on that in a bit= . > I am astonished that people here would not realise the obvious, having sa= fe > binary installs is do-able from mirror sites, just have the package > management software download MD5s from many mirror sites, compare them an= d > test the downloaded package, is they are off, then the package will not b= e > installed the user will be prompted to allow a notification of the proble= m > to be sent to the FreeBSD administrators. The fact is, binary releases ar= e > no more dangerous than source releases, someone could just as easily inse= rt > bad code in a source code package on a mirror, you need automated MD5 > checking anyway, for both binary or source upgrades. So the idea that > source upgrades are safer is false, just dead wrong. > > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for > the standard i386 CPU. If people want customisations then they can build > the software for themselves. > > A good software philosophy is to allow software to work out of the box wi= th > as little configuration as possible, but allow everything to be configure= d > by the user if they want, by shipping software with reasonable defaults > which can be overridden by the user. Make simple things easy and > complicated things doable. In GUI, by default, complexity can be hidden > from users, but if people want fine grain control, they should be free to > use advanced screens of the GUI to get complex, fine grained control. In > GUI design, more commonly used settings can be provided more upfront whil= e > advanced features for use by experts can be placed deeper in advanced or > expert screens oft the GUI. Everything should be able to be configured or > accomplished by both GUI and CLI and API. > > A good user friendly model for a useable OS is to allow for binary packag= es > of the entire system to be upgraded with a single upgrade command. It > should work out of the box without hassle. Keeping software up to date to > recent releases is good practice, remember what I said about the purpose = of > software releases. make it easy. > > why dont the freebsd administrators just have a build machine that > automatically compiles the software and makes them available as the ports > are updated. > > The user should be able to keep their system up to date without doing an= y > system wide all at once OS-release upgrades at all. There is no reason wh= y > kernel and userland programs have to be upgraded at the same time. > Especially considering its a good design practice for kernel to provide > backward compatability. Instead the system would be piecemeal updated ove= r > time, including the kernel, in a piecemeal fashion. The need for system > wide OS distribution version numbers like FreeBSD 9.0 is becoming obsolet= e. > Versions are still very valuable for the kernel, but for collections of t= he > entire system software, it has become much less relevant. This was from = an > age when people would receive a Tape or CD in the mail and update > everything all at once, now software can be upgraded in a piecemeal way > over time with automatic updates. The CD-based upgrade and all at once > system wide upgrades actually for reasons are inferior, in that it meant > often months would go by before a software program was updated, delying t= he > application of vital security fixes. Before the age of the internet and t= he > hacker, that may have been acceptable. Its not anymore. With Firefox and > Flash for instance, security fixes are made sometimes weekly, with an > system wide at once upgrade model, it could be a very long time between > upgrades of such software between releases of the OS software distributio= n > CD. The idea of waiting on a FreeBSD kernel release to upgrade firefox is > absurd, and the idea that firefox must be upgraded during a kernel upgrad= e > is also absurd. The piecemeal model is much more convenient for users, > providing more up to date packages and no OS release upgrade hassle. > > There really should be little reason for release upgrades anymore these > days, when the different parts of the system can be upgraded independantl= y > through a binary package management tool, including kernel and user > programs. > > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the > packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland > packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there > has to be synchronization of the upgrading. > > Some here suggested PC-BSD, it was no better at all than FreeBSD, In fact > in its documentation it demanded a complete system reinstall just to > upgrade to a new kernel version. An OS that requires a user to reinstall > everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. It creates mo= re > trouble and difficulty for users and ironically makes the system more use= r > unfriendly, and makes these users suffer due to the design faults of the > system, a user having to upgrade userland packages for a kernel upgrade i= s > a symptom of serious design faults and deficiencies. These two parts shou= ld > be able to be upgraded independently and a good system assures backwards > compatability support so older packages can run on a newer kernel. > > For now I have totally given up on FreeBSD, all I had with FreeBSD were > problems, big problems. The lack of smooth binary upgrades, and the poor > virtual box support made it very difficult to use. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 16:59:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCBE1065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D78FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F1E1E3C3; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:58:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q27GwqNf002199; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:58:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:58:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Jackson Message-Id: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:59:00 -0000 David, allow me to add a few thoughts: On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for > the standard i386 CPU. I think this can develop into a major problem in certain countries where listening to MP3 is illegal. :-) However, when considerations of law enter the field, the problem becomes obvious: There are situations, depending on local national law or software licnsing, when it is not possible to include certain functionality by default. You know, I'd _love_ to "pkg_add -r mplayer" to get mplayer and mencoder with _all_ the codecs so it can play everything. Sadly, that is not the default situation. You can also encounter similar "barriers" with Linux when you install a distribution, and many things work out of the box, but as soon as you "cross a certain line" (i. e. you want to access specific media formats), you need to add something to your installation. That shouldn't be neccessary, and it is not neccessary from a technical point of view, but legal objections seem to demand it it's artificially made impossible... > If people want customisations then they can build > the software for themselves. That's what they'll do anyway. :-) Especially on systems low on resources, compiling from source is _the_ way to squeeze every required (!) bit of performance out of code. Even if compiling may require some time (due to optimization flags), the result can be really usable. > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the > packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland > packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there > has to be synchronization of the upgrading. It sometimes is neccessary, for example if kernel interfaces have changed. There is some means of compatibility provided by the compat_ ports. But if you start upgrading things, libraries can break, and the system may become unstable (in terms of not being able of running certain programs anymore). Just see how "kernel and world are out of sync" errors can even cause the system to stop booting. Degrading the inner workings of the OS to "just another package" can cause trouble. "Simple updates" as they are often performed on Linux systems can render the whole installation totally unusable because "something minor" went wrong. :-) > An OS that requires a user to reinstall > everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. Why do consider a user being supposed to mess with kernels? This question can show that I'm already too old: Programs are for users, kernels are for sysadmins. Sysadmins do stuff properly, even if they shoot their foot in order to learn an important lesson. :-) As I said before: Updating the kernel _may_ cause many "dependency programs" (the userland and often the installed 3rd party applications) to become target of updating in order to keep their functionality. New kernel interfaces, changes in ABI or API, new libraries, as well as obsoleted things may be a valid (!) reason. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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2012 17:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CD88FC17 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:02:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mikel king In-Reply-To: <4F5785D9.8050903@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:02:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B0F630A-4768-4AB1-88A8-7BE35E5F7AD2@olivent.com> References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> <4F577D9E.4020705@olivent.com> <4F5785D9.8050903@ose.nl> To: Bas Smeelen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:02:34 -0000 On Mar 7, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 03/07/2012 04:24 PM, Mikel King wrote: >> On 3/7/12 9:39 AM, Brent Clark wrote: >>> Hiya >>>=20 >>> I would like to ask. >>>=20 >>> Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking = about ip >>> aliasing. >>>=20 >>> I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and >>> another process to vr0:1. >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>> Brent >>=20 >> Brent, >>=20 >> You can rename an interface to just about anything you wish. If the >> process allows for interface binding then you can use that new name. >>=20 >> = http://jafdip.com/index.php/2008/09/08/renaming-ethernet-interfaces-under-= freebsd-7x/ >>=20 >=20 > This gives the interface a different name. > It does not create an alias name for the interface as far as I = understand. >=20 > Kind regards, > Bas >=20 True but the alias option in BSD only allows for assigning another IP = address to an existing interface. Taking a second look at this request = it appears to be more of a subinterface phenomenon and not an alias at = all.=20 As far as I recall FreeBSD does not support this sort of subinterface = naming. But I wonder if there's a way to create pseudo interfaces to = pull something similar off, however wonder what's the point. cheers, m=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 17:05:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3FB1065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4418FC17 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so2448139eaa.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=780eW9jojN36nmLC925ObHfK1QtSDLsBVPjGxSdV4xQ=; b=kD+DKG3ZL0Lina49Zb4zDC7eAvXGGhJon2HdQTKS/3EvbgciUquXrE/1o1+P0qFRxz 8a9zg8YiWbHjNpbtnigAbquNDtmztOXN8eJvyQnsk72GLaMe/CRe1m8ndtXC5lFWY5PR 2h16XzboqZdt6dGyyYlyJNcF9+MWLjXAeUhKYsGbVf+RAB0aKYnulUTN5Q2Q/z5GLWnk DfibploBVJlRfRjlWeF/lpP/7HWdPWmavzMiBHesB4xQG75o8r7QEj9WL42+tkySVz6O vTF1l5J8XdKuprzUdhCRFf14JwMVDtzFJRISOO/iZBnHKPVhSkVMNBEXp0R4Vmg8z0Go 9IJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.233 with SMTP id c9mr1012772lbz.1.1331139937086; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Andrew Gould , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:05:38 -0000 > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates > from source or install binary packages. > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature I am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, all of these do not work. I am working on getting the logs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 17:14:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994F01065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2767A8FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so5637800wgb.31 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TbKXsveA7xwc5YAA8UVrqbnROW4KZWeAKeS62OEp1B0=; b=CZo3QNLcmB6Vh7A4kHeQJ9RDLDATXWQojsasexX4Mas14EjEfKe2IeCgtggpwz2IBA mzLL1UOPvQQTzg9XCTmdGzGtESJJkkplWiwgvGKV836DMS6ncmadKs7+rOOLG94HsOk/ LGLw2awzfO9vyo8oypabkB2YSCu2F9xm9/wez9r7fqTFe9VtKsZwiTP1aMSRrJdL62cw dd/E8Z53c6NYNSHwJGPKZ4iDVmCdinCKO7GnAaOj19QY89IP4q2yHaYet/U687EZcIIU y4ImkdZkqFh77VpkqSsIjxlP1iaFOZrIhDKm5VHCXIw+Qe79Assk7czeea+D2KwCOG1N 8muw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.24.166 with SMTP id v6mr27831164wif.10.1331140443142; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.93.138 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:14:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> References: <4F577312.7070500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:14:02 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Brent Clark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network interface aliasing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:14:04 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > I would like to ask. > > Is it possible to, do network interface aliasing. Im not talking about ip > aliasing. > > I basically want to bind one process to network interface vr0:0 and > another process to vr0:1. > setfib(1) -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 17:17:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AFE106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FA58FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so5377322vcm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:17:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qQ+mc/W6lKK1GfdRDLOZ24wOtsVOOyM3PJN7rQd2wNc=; b=WBcfEW6BGp8jLzksw8zZ29HwrDSY+WOQzVFwz1RfVHe2cTOeAngfuVmxE6qeolzfX+ WMIfW/w0irzunyx2xdduNqj79j2BywIO9BGjoQimxI2hAtdJWfpALcjk48SJUbenWvTN Sm/cZ+pYvvLgawJT+txOWg9pdEenw8ysLdKQMGK548PPpIpP0g1NrMkfX4ACx1pEpYVd LfTpw4cKPw9fy3+A1l3JzijIyLWWXlzUi/XLm0qbrGNuZWi4JkGyN1ylZthWyRsP2ZAT 7MJB97UpeaLzYRca9jurnu+beVd/Sz4EM/uWyTwlbderT/GSzPuwJ+cIZEW7Mx2hQV8I lwxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.93.74 with SMTP id cs10mr4194540vdb.42.1331139074066; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:51:14 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:17:25 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, David Jackson wrot= e: > I still have yet to find a resolution to the problems I have had with > binary packages and upgrades on FreeBSD. Binary upgrading is broken with > every tool I have tried. > > There is no real reason why FreeBSD should not provide a facility for use= rs > to be able to binary upgrade to the most recent version of all packages > with a simple upgrade command. > > One faulty argument I heard was that it is often not a good idea to upgra= de > to new software release. The whole purpose of having a release cycle for > programs is to provide stable, tested releases for the public to install > that will will work properly, and improve upon and fix problems with olde= r > releases. This is why mainline release are differentiated from betas and > the CVS downloads which are experimental. So you really do want the most > recent release, especially for corrections to any security problem. Makin= g > upgrades more difficult actually makes the system more insecure by exposi= ng > people for a long time to security problems that were fixed in software b= ut > making it difficult for people to upgrade. > > > As for the security issues of downloading binary packages. The fact is > source packages are not safer than binary packages, more on that in a bit= . > I am astonished that people here would not realise the obvious, having sa= fe > binary installs is do-able from mirror sites, just have the package > management software download MD5s from many mirror sites, compare them an= d > test the downloaded package, is they are off, then the package will not b= e > installed the user will be prompted to allow a notification of the proble= m > to be sent to the FreeBSD administrators. The fact is, binary releases ar= e > no more dangerous than source releases, someone could just as easily inse= rt > bad code in a source code package on a mirror, you need automated MD5 > checking anyway, for both binary or source upgrades. So the idea that > source upgrades are safer is false, just dead wrong. > > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for > the standard i386 CPU. If people want customisations then they can build > the software for themselves. > > A good software philosophy is to allow software to work out of the box wi= th > as little configuration as possible, but allow everything to be configure= d > by the user if they want, by shipping software with reasonable defaults > which can be overridden by the user. Make simple things easy and > complicated things doable. In GUI, by default, complexity can be hidden > from users, but if people want fine grain control, they should be free to > use advanced screens of the GUI to get complex, fine grained control. In > GUI design, more commonly used settings can be provided more upfront whil= e > advanced features for use by experts can be placed deeper in advanced or > expert screens oft the GUI. Everything should be able to be configured or > accomplished by both GUI and CLI and API. > > A good user friendly model for a useable OS is to allow for binary packag= es > of the entire system to be upgraded with a single upgrade command. It > should work out of the box without hassle. Keeping software up to date to > recent releases is good practice, remember what I said about the purpose = of > software releases. make it easy. > > why dont the freebsd administrators just have a build machine that > automatically compiles the software and makes them available as the ports > are updated. > > The user should be able to =A0keep their system up to date without doing = any > system wide all at once OS-release upgrades at all. There is no reason wh= y > kernel and userland programs have to be upgraded at the same time. > Especially considering its a good design practice for kernel to provide > backward compatability. Instead the system would be piecemeal updated ove= r > time, including the kernel, in a piecemeal fashion. The need for system > wide OS distribution version numbers like FreeBSD 9.0 is becoming obsolet= e. > Versions are still very valuable for the kernel, but for collections of t= he > entire system software, it has become much less relevant. =A0This was fro= m an > age when people would receive a Tape or CD in the mail and update > everything all at once, now software can be upgraded in a piecemeal way > over time with automatic updates. The CD-based upgrade and all at once > system wide upgrades actually for reasons are inferior, in that it meant > often months would go by before a software program was updated, delying t= he > application of vital security fixes. Before the age of the internet and t= he > hacker, that may have been acceptable. Its not anymore. With Firefox and > Flash for instance, security fixes are made sometimes weekly, with an > system wide at once upgrade model, it could be a very long time between > upgrades of such software between releases of the OS software distributio= n > CD. The idea of waiting on a FreeBSD kernel release to upgrade firefox is > absurd, and the idea that firefox must be upgraded during a kernel upgrad= e > is also absurd. The piecemeal model is much more convenient for users, > providing more up to date packages and no OS release upgrade hassle. > > There really should be little reason for release upgrades anymore these > days, when the different parts of the system can be upgraded independantl= y > through a binary package management tool, including kernel and user > programs. > > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the > packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland > packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there > has to be synchronization of the upgrading. > > Some here suggested PC-BSD, it was no better at all than FreeBSD, In fact > in its documentation it demanded a complete system reinstall just to > upgrade to a new kernel version. An OS that requires a user to reinstall > everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. It creates mo= re > trouble and difficulty for users and ironically makes the system more use= r > unfriendly, and makes these users suffer due to the design faults of the > system, a user having to upgrade userland packages for a kernel upgrade i= s > a symptom of serious design faults and deficiencies. These two parts shou= ld > be able to be upgraded independently and a good system assures backwards > compatability support so older packages can run on a newer kernel. > > For now I have totally given up on FreeBSD, all I had with FreeBSD were > problems, big problems. The lack of smooth binary upgrades, and the poor > virtual box support made it very difficult to use. > _______________________________________________ Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update your an installed application by updating the ports and using portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates from source or install binary packages. FreeBSD is a very flexible and powerful operating system. That power and flexibility, however, requires the user to take the time to learn the operating system and its options. This may mean that FreeBSD is not for everyone. That's okay. I don't know of any operating system that meets everyone's needs. I don't know of one operating system that meets all of my needs. That's okay too. Every tool has its best use. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 17:31:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66774106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alto.alerce.com) Received: from griffon.alerce.com (griffon.alerce.com [206.125.171.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD868FC16 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from griffon.alerce.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by griffon.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C8A2842A; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from alto.alerce.com (75-149-38-78-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.149.38.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by griffon.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53A9028428; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by alto.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 503) id E38D02FDC7F; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:13:03 -0800 (PST) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20311.38687.874857.590780@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:13:03 -0800 To: Carsten Mattner In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Single boot EFI Mac install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:31:40 -0000 Carsten Mattner writes: > Has anyone successfully installed FreeBSD as a single boot system > on an EFI Mac? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a single boot system. I have Mac Pro that runs Mac OS on on disk (actually a pair in a software RAID) and FreeBSD from another pair (gmirror RAID). I suspect that I could pull the MacOS disks from the system and it would happily run as a FreeBSD only machine. I believe that I set up the disks using the mac tools and then did an install from a DVD, but it's been a while. The only particularly trick-ish part is that I had to partition the FreeBSD disks using MBR style partitions, that's (part of?) what the Mac firmware uses to decide to turn on it's PC-style BIOS emulation, which FreeBSD needs before it can get itself going. GPT partitions will not work. Every once in a while the machine hangs at boot time but I haven't seen it in a while. What happens if you just throw a FreeBSD DVD in the drive? g. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 17:42:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2AF106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF8C8FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so7333288bkc.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SNVxc2dcl1MIP1IAbMc52W1OfBVFxWpLkF66BQXzkXY=; b=k0hAQBSiZoLOFgPNBlfbaL03hJ9Neq3wajSf4LDcPnS8weK3/02dutvIKxwQiJEKtG LlU8oPM5TUmxLmWKDeZu+02H1j4H9ye3NDtSla2uZ+Nis+AtGdANMroKZvNOulN/xmYR wmDUckWnXysFmlVE0ZJvhNo5uTQCH7IohQKEswPjrUvy8jDI9uA9lgBigo3nEhnWK0Qp ByuzSb/QkZnkZuC7VYQH1nEGri0u/JrPxAnIYKFPriyTaO79BaCJwMwla0NMWXJ5ScK8 tpmz5M7jad2vUseB1GxIiQ/KXsDY2ieRWmVqueurQT2x/R7Jf5HTUAF7hf9vZcdyRweh PY3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.233 with SMTP id c9mr1064251lbz.1.1331142172114; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:42:54 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Polytropon wrote: > David, allow me to add a few thoughts: > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for > > the standard i386 CPU. > > I think this can develop into a major problem in certain > countries where listening to MP3 is illegal. :-) > > You are talking about the codec. What Ubuntu seems to do is distribute these codecs as a seperate nonfree addon package which are then loaded by applications at run time. You see, options do not necessarily have to be compiled into programs, they can be loaded at libraries and then loaded by programs at run time if they are available. This is also a rare circumstance, and there are workaround as above. > > > If people want customisations then they can build > > the software for themselves. > > That's what they'll do anyway. :-) > > No, usually they do not. Few people except for hard core geeks want to mess around with compile options. most will use runtime configuration through a GUI which is faster. > Especially on systems low on resources, compiling from > source is _the_ way to squeeze every required (!) bit > of performance out of code. Even if compiling may require > some time (due to optimization flags), the result can > be really usable. > > > > > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the > > packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland > > packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there > > has to be synchronization of the upgrading. > > It sometimes is neccessary, for example if kernel interfaces > have changed. There is some means of compatibility provided by > the compat_ ports. But if you start upgrading things, libraries > can break, and the system may become unstable (in terms of not > being able of running certain programs anymore). Just see how > "kernel and world are out of sync" errors can even cause the > system to stop booting. Degrading the inner workings of the OS > to "just another package" can cause trouble. "Simple updates" > as they are often performed on Linux systems can render the > whole installation totally unusable because "something minor" > went wrong. :-) > > > A well designed system will provide backwards compatability through various strategies and this does not necessarily need to affect internal software design as the backwards compatability can also be provided by compatability layers and glue code. Programs communicate with the kernel via interrupts, pushing arguments for the system call onto the stack. The format of this closely matches the source code API. The API is used with the system calling convention. These are mostly mature and do not need to change much. Considering it also a bad practice to create an incompatable system API, there is little reason to change the system call interface. The system call interface has little impact on internal kernel except where adding a new feature can require additional kernel code. Most system calls are mature and do not need to change much. If a system call is needed to provide new functionality, a new system call can be added, which can if needed duplicate the functionality of an older system call. There is also ELF and binary code linking and calling conventions. This can also be maintained to be backwards compatability, if necessary through the use of compatability layers and glue in this process. Another strategy that is unlikely to be needed, since there really is not much reason to make non backwards compatable changes to the current system call set, and is only now used for Linux binary compatability is to mark a binary for a certain system call interface, that system call interface can be backed by glue code to the the main kernel interfaces. Other means of communicating with the kernel which are possible include the /proc interface and as as well UNIX domain sockets. Again if the format of these needs to changed in a non backwards compatable way, a new file or socket can be created at a new location for the new version, the old file or socket location would provide the old interface backed by glue code to the new interface. It is possible to provide backwards compatability through compatability layers and glue code like this, without in anyway impacting the internal design of a kernel or other software system. > > > An OS that requires a user to reinstall > > everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. > > Why do consider a user being supposed to mess with kernels? > This question can show that I'm already too old: Programs > are for users, kernels are for sysadmins. Sysadmins do stuff > properly, even if they shoot their foot in order to learn > an important lesson. :-) > > Users have to upgrade the kernel, with a well designed OS this is a process that does not require any sort of problems for the user. Since good kernel backwards compatability strategies will assure that the new kernel will drop into place of the old one without causing problems. Kernel upgrading should be done through the main package update tool and the kernel itself distributed as a package, as Ubuntu does it. This is also how Windows Update does it as well. It can be done automatically with automatic updates and the user does not need to worry about it. Not everyone who uses an OS is a system administrator. Do you really think that anyone who owns an Ipad or has a home desktop computer should be required just to apply a kernel upgrade? The good thing is that kernel upgrades do not need a system administrator. A well designed kernel will not be so problematic that this will be required. > As I said before: Updating the kernel _may_ cause many "dependency > programs" (the userland and often the installed 3rd party > applications) to become target of updating in order to keep > their functionality. New kernel interfaces, changes in ABI > or API, new libraries, as well as obsoleted things may be > a valid (!) reason. > > > Dependancy problems will not exist if the kernel development follows sound strategies for backwards compatability, which can include providing a compatability layer with glue code, which means backwards compatability need not necessarily affect the internals of the software system. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 18:05:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B55E1065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926C58FC1B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so10674139lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:05:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Tl7hy8DuxMcM5FhPAOb+H/BLhPifsoLWCMP+0tlficg=; b=tNtnbfuPr+ywccgmpoIuyi9Q2TwPVVZSLGpqP9OsHOIWy/LFRx8EyHLCOCw3g3SHOb 1VoMAUU+f4MpmX/bxU+WAUTvgcW4mOw8h9O71DUBGF9iQRB89kgl4/4hTPHeMw/+J23R 2eUScSl1CGTtGwRFGJ2Y45ZlhpcXDnN/HuwumWa3554krTNx2pBQADdabdcFmNNN7fdL SlsT2IPCDVCgDqWqmwLc9sVkJonsp5fcrKPqClAOVzTZscFf9BZdu+KEmsNckCBP+YvR 7huttZiYUmqMVPVq5mb34ocLdoMEUg4kUqeSt7mpns8HwVsp79tJqxgxH0Xoght3XUsz Da/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.25.8 with SMTP id y8mr1105366lbf.15.1331143066332; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:57:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:05:34 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, David Jackson wrote: > > > > >> Especially on systems low on resources, compiling from >> source is _the_ way to squeeze every required (!) bit >> of performance out of code. Even if compiling may require >> some time (due to optimization flags), the result can >> be really usable. >> >> >> Again, if you want to customise your software and build it, fine, I am fully supportive of this flexibility and options being available. For many people however the extra effort to do all of this is just not worth it to save a little RAM by not loading library X. I am saying that all features included up to date prebuilt binaries should be avalable, NOT that this should be the only option. I fully support customized port build facility for those that want it. For people who just want a fully functional everything included binary package, then they should be able to use FreeBSDs binary packages. That will in no way affect your ability to compile your ports and i fully suppoert your right to conmpile your ports and configure them so things that you dont need are not compiled in. So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they want and is happy, it seems. I am not dissing or criticising the process of compiling your own ports, if thats what you want, fine, please do. All I am asking for is to be able to use binaries for those who want the binaries and dont want to compile their own stuff. if people dont want to use precompiled stuff, it wont be forced on them, they just compile their own stuff using the ports. I am fine with users having this choice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 18:19:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D136106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 094BF8FC0A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27149 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2012 17:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (75.56.53.62) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.106) with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2012 17:52:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4F57A073.4080008@midsummerdream.org> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:52:51 -0600 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:19:35 -0000 I ran into problems with pkg-upgrade when I upgraded from 8.2p6->9.0-RELEASE, and part of the problem ended up being a tool pkg_upgrade used (uma). That was the reason portupgrade didn't work as well. I ended up hacking the support tool and pkg_upgrade to do what I needed, but they are both definitely broken. iirc, one of the issues with uma was it's url generation. It would generate urls like 9-RELEASE instead of 9.0-RELEASE, the former being the format for 9-STABLE and the later (which I needed) was for an upgrade for a release. Sadly, I've forgotten the other issues, but I remember making about 3 hacks to the tools to get it working. Rob On 3/7/12 11:05 AM, David Jackson wrote: >> Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were >> implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications >> are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to >> install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update >> your an installed application by updating the ports and using >> portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates >> from source or install binary packages. >> >> > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature I > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, all > of these do not work. I am working on getting the logs > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 18:47:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05029106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684648FC15 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so10734977lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:47:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NTgIKEoBjRAVASdCk5Taj0NEai6LzbOS5LrgwNyvmUU=; b=WxpCzOv7XbljMA2TBRFWw0H9yfyvQDImhLIcE0eQxjfns7fjr1EiqTFsvXOT0k8+i2 4PaW3kgj1LtXJld/oeeC0e4VWHZDT2rqkAcD77u3EKBqKiTvlaTcm2FM1An0qHHj7rzo w6Dc/iPTjgEemOO4rZspnAM7WKTRdv/d+2fdomfOoHJ2qIlYmndn9fbEFmAs8DTjLop3 KFr+UYgMI+TzI8rvIKwYgf0Yk+iLBdsK7rkEbMmDTiQFA79zr6uOrF1Js7fh98BSeD9S ieah5A/wOHGl5uio7BqyqDjczbu5YmPf2BL7WYfXmsevK6V7LsDJTg5HP0Pqdniu5AwC 0b5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.123.76 with SMTP id ly12mr2227824lab.37.1331146073117; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:47:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F57A073.4080008@midsummerdream.org> References: <4F57A073.4080008@midsummerdream.org> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: lists@midsummerdream.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:47:55 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Rob wrote: > I ran into problems with pkg-upgrade when I upgraded from > 8.2p6->9.0-RELEASE, and part of the problem ended up being a tool > pkg_upgrade used (uma). That was the reason portupgrade didn't work as > well. I ended up hacking the support tool and pkg_upgrade to do what I > needed, but they are both definitely broken. > > iirc, one of the issues with uma was it's url generation. It would > generate urls like 9-RELEASE instead of 9.0-RELEASE, the former being the > format for 9-STABLE and the later (which I needed) was for an upgrade for a > release. > > Sadly, I've forgotten the other issues, but I remember making about 3 > hacks to the tools to get it working. > > Well, thank you for posting. At least its just not me that seen these problems. For me, binary package updates are completely broken. I wonder how this severe and glaring problem got back FreeBSD engineers. It is such an annoying problem. Why cant they just make things work for people who want binary packages? As it is now, FreeBSD is totally unuseable to me. > Rob > > > On 3/7/12 11:05 AM, David Jackson wrote: > >> Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were >>> implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications >>> are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to >>> install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update >>> your an installed application by updating the ports and using >>> portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates >>> from source or install binary packages. >>> >>> >>> >> >> pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature I >> am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, all >> of these do not work. I am working on getting the logs >> ______________________________**_________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org " >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 18:48:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF051065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462B8FC21 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so7179994vbm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:48:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1mFGfH/Vy7XdooKaL+/66RLWw3owEKsmrhMeRloW2ek=; b=YFYd/otLJU5oXIaREyTMaxn58EcicVeQckG9CzSdmJS68BZ8dDeRpiUct5nH0W82F4 IwC67L2iW6hR8/Q7y3iDWZ2vaLe5RgWstLuQOb6YaZdGDKAjz+6aL49uSJz426L5TMl1 JXxu705Im7s+NFDRItTOhEbVW9n5c1qtr/7pvMUlSMK8BqitV0jEjzhRLkMUG1y58q14 DNvMNKvbNvsQoNTSMNBtSzukbAYTwvCHgNemiQBTnqB3Hh0HcaSO8xCwlbfN0LQklJAN 3Fx/L6aHOjPlTUDcIGdrJsvjcBp2Jstx3QsPeji69s9qoh7BFhJg/8Z4YLGDuSE+O5XN 9zGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.180.7 with SMTP id dk7mr4986152vdc.25.1331146102668; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:48:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:48:22 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:48:29 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Polytropon wrote: > >> David, allow me to add a few thoughts: >> >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500, David Jackson wrote: >> > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature >> > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for >> > the standard i386 CPU. >> >> I think this can develop into a major problem in certain >> countries where listening to MP3 is illegal. :-) >> >> > You are talking about the codec. > > What Ubuntu seems to do is distribute these codecs as a seperate nonfree > addon package which are then loaded by applications at run time. You see, > options do not necessarily have to be compiled into programs, they can be > loaded at libraries and then loaded by programs at run time if they are > available. > > This is also a rare circumstance, and there are workaround as above. > > >> >> > If people want customisations then they can build >> > the software for themselves. >> >> That's what they'll do anyway. :-) >> >> > No, usually they do not. Few people except for hard core geeks want to mess > around with compile options. most will use runtime configuration through a > GUI which is faster. This is irrelevant. FreeBSD has these options because most of its users are system administrators, developers or other types of geeks. Serving these needs is a major part of what FreeBSD does. That's why we have the long standing motto: "FreeBSD - The power to serve". People who don't want these things, and insist on fool-proof upgrades will probably be happier running Windows, Mac OS X or some distribution of Linux. I've been around email lists long enough to know that every operating system (MS Windows, Linux, etc) occasionally has its update nightmares. My advice to you is: 1. Define your needs. 2. Choose the best software to meet your needs. 3. Choose the best operating system to run the software. 4. Choose the best hardware to run the operating system. If you've performed these steps out of order, you're unlikely to be happy. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 18:56:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29488106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22908FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so7427114bkc.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HMRoElVooKQIGXPdkNNjiFPoZXqLwlPlzCdaMYwKZo4=; b=naDEKF7/MTDyEYQAvjQYEP52KO7ZZ4c8pVSUyACjLnl8jLy8WoT7yN0Pe20OM3R1+c harC2Pitqy5jd30Didw0lq6R9LIe7JVwxNQs/69V4/OVoMBp6WoooLHJkj4Vgm2FihQk tSVeVge5QT/z9EfoWoCrOePUbymbe6BJ3WXUcab8XHqTJqS/VsUl/2Fmv6y3hlwg65ok rHbDzK+MU9nDHyMBE0VBpvNttE82m1uDeeHzCaYtkmitjobDesQieKDYnD+uXoj3M0B8 RMOcvejIgSDc+yCnwrbBiPPKuTvuWyKqOF/7B8HKCwwaZ8yKkWUlviXsaMmsGp0DA5q6 DnBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.67 with SMTP id n3mr1181359lbz.29.1331146577303; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Andrew Gould , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:56:19 -0000 > This is irrelevant. FreeBSD has these options because most of its > users are system administrators, developers or other types of geeks. > Serving these needs is a major part of what FreeBSD does. That's why > we have the long standing motto: "FreeBSD - The power to serve". > People who don't want these things, and insist on fool-proof upgrades > will probably be happier running Windows, Mac OS X or some > distribution of Linux. I've been around email lists long enough to > know that every operating system (MS Windows, Linux, etc) occasionally > has its update nightmares. > > My advice to you is: > 1. Define your needs. > 2. Choose the best software to meet your needs. > 3. Choose the best operating system to run the software. > 4. Choose the best hardware to run the operating system. > > If you've performed these steps out of order, you're unlikely to be happy. > > Andrew > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about 99% of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less about compiling source and messing with compiler options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 19:12:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670481065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B07E8FC19 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so5514188vcm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U8A7+/XLSJfZTJc8sgkH6SpBQ9LkEkzDPgk8HCX5OJ4=; b=hVcT0u6XlKTlvAw2mJCKKYi/l1yTFASwBzPV2zSM1LUqKNQo9eFM+OZazZZa49HdiW 6oxbkzbulGpDAo7pQX3g53BAD8ssAM0dURu+Rugk70Me0g2cauv/9BeCiFMQnAogK1Y6 B5r984eCP2Rqbk+g/tLMutH9VN7uS1lfCtzA42YYTx20kiG5eVVtp8iZk9w1w2RW+4xG Zxjic1Z8jyqzyNX0BgFG10hBca2YNf1lYoEMgaTNr3fkSjDunpHKSd31TRAV6bOMg72k b9vUXMNS0fuX4d+CnnKM4pSFhyOkqlVDetngcqxQDcLvxT3lHcydyWPrL7ZYbBbHi9bH 6cwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.3 with SMTP id dg3mr5046449vdb.127.1331147519268; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:12:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM, David Jackson wrot= e: > >> >> This is irrelevant. =A0FreeBSD has these options because most of its >> users are system administrators, developers or other types of geeks. >> Serving these needs is a major part of what FreeBSD does. =A0That's why >> we have the long standing motto: "FreeBSD - The power to serve". >> People who don't want these things, and insist on fool-proof upgrades >> will probably be happier running Windows, Mac OS X or some >> distribution of Linux. =A0I've been around email lists long enough to >> know that every operating system (MS Windows, Linux, etc) occasionally >> has its update nightmares. >> >> My advice to you is: >> 1. Define your needs. >> 2. Choose the best software to meet your needs. >> 3. Choose the best operating system to run the software. >> 4. Choose the best hardware to run the operating system. >> >> If you've performed these steps out of order, you're unlikely to be happ= y. >> >> Andrew > > > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about 9= 9% > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less abo= ut > compiling source and messing with compiler options. > I disagree. I have provided a process for you (or others) to make better decisions regarding the selection of software, operating systems and hardware. How could the developers of any operating system please everyone without watering down the excellent qualities of their creation? It is good that we have so many operating systems from which to choose. This allows operating systems to specialize in their strengths and for users to prioritize their needs. To the extent that you have discussed tools that are broken, I thank you; and I hope you have reported the bugs. I'm sure the tools will be fixed. Every open source operating system is created by developers who decide the direction the operating system will take. The operating system is backed by its own community. When you throw claims about most users not wanting to compile applications from source code, it is clear that you have not taken time to learn about the operating system, its history or the culture of the community. I encourage you to do so. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 19:15:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171A41065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carstenmattner@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5748FC0A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so12149021iah.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:15:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zjDyijA9N3g/aTQMFQq3iqs8jqifDVmHuhKyOgYyLMo=; b=JJKLjQgG+EaR0NENHReY7z+ZjwUNijsjTExbSjpjdKp0kFjfm+5/k6pwfx1TrjYMdU vSBg9XEqmbHpT/WjUGA2jO2T+/apgi5sYNjFCsKWDsxh1pMEqTNNl8pAdGq8x22RdlOx P0zJ1hrqb01X8BJY9nW5pWun2qQ6I+nnQrDtmv2A8Fu11uE2zOF6Xw6lVoS4gmhkSrM9 +7C9k2Vjpo7PgiU33+K8xEsBE9eXnsvVhy0ugWdrWofqf8UyrXoovOAgBezQrj24XIoc jwkk/Vaq5xrp8i4prniX+bnakC8ZMuRXhaKD/h5uPFWO7Q2VFuErvsJDA34CP4etkiGZ NUgg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.226 with SMTP id gt2mr12713314igc.32.1331147704495; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.111.132 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:15:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20311.38687.874857.590780@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20311.38687.874857.590780@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:15:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: Carsten Mattner To: hartzell@alerce.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Single boot EFI Mac install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:15:05 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:13 PM, George Hartzell wrote= : > Carsten Mattner writes: > =A0> Has anyone successfully installed FreeBSD as a single boot system > =A0> on an EFI Mac? > > I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a single boot system. > > I have Mac Pro that runs Mac OS on on disk (actually a pair in a > software RAID) and FreeBSD from another pair (gmirror RAID). =A0I > suspect that I could pull the MacOS disks from the system and it would > happily run as a FreeBSD only machine. > > I believe that I set up the disks using the mac tools and then did an > install from a DVD, but it's been a while. > > The only particularly trick-ish part is that I had to partition the > FreeBSD disks using MBR style partitions, that's (part of?) what the > Mac firmware uses to decide to turn on it's PC-style BIOS emulation, > which FreeBSD needs before it can get itself going. =A0GPT partitions > will not work. =A0Every once in a while the machine hangs at boot time > but I haven't seen it in a while. > > What happens if you just throw a FreeBSD DVD in the drive? I'm pretty sure I can install FreeBSD. The real question is: Are there EFI bootable FreeBSD images? rEFIt works but cannot be convinced to stop delaying the boot process by ~20 seconds (even after deleting PRAM and bless'ing the partition). That's why I've been looking for native (EFI) boot options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 19:33:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9267A106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@robotoloco.com) Received: from robotoloco.com (robotoloco.com [199.48.134.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC138FC0A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ankh-morpork.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robotoloco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q27JCsj1078922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:12:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@robotoloco.com) Received: from ankh-morpork.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ankh-morpork.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q27JClMo057344; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:12:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@robotoloco.com) Received: (from magrat@localhost) by ankh-morpork.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q27JCkev057320; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:12:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@robotoloco.com) X-Authentication-Warning: ankh-morpork.net: magrat set sender to ben@robotoloco.com using -f Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:12:46 -0600 From: Benjamin Tovar To: David Jackson Message-ID: <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:33:25 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: >=20 > So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need > and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra > trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they > want and is happy, it seems. >=20 Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports, which is how we have it now. Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices for you). Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what you are looking for.) --=20 Benjamin Tovar --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPV7MtAAoJEPrXYZkebhU5pdoIAKiH4084LX98SjjCZUr3OiUn rqm7BpOLOAwqX7ZHWMWh1vGqNGKAIk7MqpmwC6YT96vJvSAcf7pY6Zhbtx/k2e9O GR0FAz2db+WNkgSX9/1xJ5/FDCtzT1qfxo/5ZZr7/5qScb3BbKF92pmXy3dUKe/P uTsCFNgY34tnHO02vgp36bojQfyU8Dw23SbkWe33oDiyKM26sx1Uq4R266QPTziQ Jku0NtT5DQdYeMdjxP1JLugqhYhJ77gE7DdrlioE6mngbXQMXSM02uGDspsO8y+Q Aibx4oIg1c8ICWoUaWt+TSXssRA6CWA9NKj0olhXp9KKm/eI56OrrOPWzZkE92o= =CnhV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:07:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4C1065730 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alupher@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191878FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so5583990vcm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:07:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; b=bKIbn2SdIQlaw3NhkjORPyVni9aCCwK80sjCjw/sxD7V0IG/FlZfA6EsIuyYrFNRcw gR17cwomhdCDQesmThv8ItrPjw6uZWT6nhkAuKocbzNX2vN9MXd7llnHmKR2D6DeIB3R NpwUAnNMBVIsXObL1bD7bEc8UkZ9e/cBp2p6dwu7OLP3GvFwSDXkuJ5C1wHFqYyjlRT4 UipH+ogdD9hCMm+Y/j+8tqQosrwLM7tHDWc6ASc9e1LtZA4wCSGVDaKFAlRmHvmSLhGJ E0Fp6F+qFUmnkncDwy+MLGF82BGWM7w9gUxT9FeoetCB+qBqSufkfREjNRqRsF4y/wdZ DNNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.173.104 with SMTP id bj8mr5199108vdc.83.1331149120326; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:38:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: alupher@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.184.37 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:38:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:38:40 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mJ8geNPjQ1ENICdrPZWBqhZsZpk Message-ID: From: Antonio Lupher To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:07:25 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:20:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E284106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD3D8FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so7533285bkc.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yaWn3i/tlcbf2myp75J5AdR3bnua440Pr04Hdmbi8N4=; b=I9nJCJq+VkZpl6NKxyHEbCB+3cExmcbOIgWVI5E1+zzjgHtz1I1chpZW2xV2r/8Ma3 NpfFIgsGZRHEmsm4lh9r5pR3MY33DSUXh+6NhXycpbPDLT4uYDthDP8sGvAMimIk29nx 9lKzHugTxN5YvyQRn6MkMWgnovyChC171sh8d8/iFHyqK+1nmD053kCVCSxOFEvz7p2F JJEkQmLTACVA5k64QLbv87r8/dC9eHNxOZfSD3Hj65Xdwq+LB1mbMZLJuPH+9t7ERFvE ksP3hxkC16hkr4yiIho+jgEFo9VCqPcVVRSAyWo5JJ7z0QNbUxZe5ngTQaRrYQkrNHG8 0JXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.105 with SMTP id p9mr1244697lby.43.1331151619313; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Andrew Gould , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:20:21 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Gould wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM, David Jackson > wrote: > > > >> > >> This is irrelevant. FreeBSD has these options because most of its > >> users are system administrators, developers or other types of geeks. > >> Serving these needs is a major part of what FreeBSD does. That's why > >> we have the long standing motto: "FreeBSD - The power to serve". > >> People who don't want these things, and insist on fool-proof upgrades > >> will probably be happier running Windows, Mac OS X or some > >> distribution of Linux. I've been around email lists long enough to > >> know that every operating system (MS Windows, Linux, etc) occasionally > >> has its update nightmares. > >> > >> My advice to you is: > >> 1. Define your needs. > >> 2. Choose the best software to meet your needs. > >> 3. Choose the best operating system to run the software. > >> 4. Choose the best hardware to run the operating system. > >> > >> If you've performed these steps out of order, you're unlikely to be > happy. > >> > >> Andrew > > > > > > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about > 99% > > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less > about > > compiling source and messing with compiler options. > > > > I disagree. I have provided a process for you (or others) to make > better decisions regarding the selection of software, operating > systems and hardware. How could the developers of any operating > system please everyone without watering down the excellent qualities > of their creation? It is good that we have so many operating systems > from which to choose. This allows operating systems to specialize in > their strengths and for users to prioritize their needs. > > To the extent that you have discussed tools that are broken, I thank > you; and I hope you have reported the bugs. I'm sure the tools will > be fixed. > > Every open source operating system is created by developers who decide > the direction the operating system will take. The operating system is > backed by its own community. When you throw claims about most users > not wanting to compile applications from source code, it is clear that > you have not taken time to learn about the operating system, its > history or the culture of the community. I encourage you to do so. > > I think that your statement here is fundamentally flawed and wrong, because you have assumed that it is impossible for the OS to be able to be user friendly and geek friendly at the same time. This is wrong. In fact, I have outlined ways repeatedly that FreeBSD could provide an easy to use package system without compromising on the flexibility of ports in any way. The idea that the OS has to be either difficult to use or it has to be easy to use for novices is wrong. The OS can be both and I have written about ways that can be done, in fact, I can show how it can be done in every area. For instance, with better binary packages, those are simply built from ports using the best set of options. Those who want to compile for themselves will still be able to do so, just fine. So you have presented a position here that is simply not true. FreeBSD can be more user friendly and as the same time be flexible and friendly to experts such as yourself. its not an either or choice. Andrew > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:20:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A591065674 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C0F8FC1A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so7293275vbm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wYd0rEch3Gn/CDAQa6u/aJpPNUPhcy/02dStFoiKOJw=; b=vvXsJbkq7m6eksg4XVM+lDGt32PrR26aqfUhBwJVEDr32C7s/scMn0FHZqkATcwnpo wvD8sWk0njWq825S9fkj1bHSaDl6HPKoVtdxM8SKv0iYLPJwjGuhThbENlUXf3vtxjb5 GSb9GT9pU8XEQEGXzXUJg5YQNXdW1yzqnmRcqlFRtLDtyOpJU1UW+cMiY7PwlG9yIUMp OweBOYcG6HSIJjVY4sqUXN8LSwTty14a7OPqthdgMy2HD90lHOVAhVgBWZMmZlzrYfdp WU3G8zxbBi3s4jYy+/OFtrnqMBPvbzykf0zo1ZGsBMhrRV5gOwdljS5jxASZpmQqKBPa D8yg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.20.142 with SMTP id n14mr5478669vde.59.1331151635109; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:20:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:20:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: Benjamin Tovar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: David Jackson , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:20:36 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Tovar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: >> >> So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need >> and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra >> trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they >> want and is happy, it seems. >> > > Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder > than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive > (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions > of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for > the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy > compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports, > which is how we have it now. > > Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the > responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make > decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the > stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this > seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux > distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices > for you). > > Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it > would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the > responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would > be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what > you are looking for.) > > -- > Benjamin Tovar > It is not newbie friendly. As a non-techie (CPA), however, I can tell you that it makes the user a better user; and **that** is a good thing. Some things are worth doing. :-) Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:30:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441A5106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthewstory@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CE38FC19 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so7305258vbm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:30:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B4N4xLb8+Z/HGTNUSsWKAyBTgSnrYDgM/WpwnbSJNAU=; b=Ex9EGPI7FFZxJToyVpKiBsDCmJbMISJXD0fLEIn/RATdNF6cE1NIL5ubupg7I2PXP+ kLGp3AySHM6DLlk6KVgiRywzVhLmNSz0R86eEHFx0jMQViBn/TZwigRkUF7STuZ62Rpz voVi/7THRCUso/MEZoMhINTV7KTy7Bp6/fgbizOOVxU/Qq7dPnqJHondB9SSr351QfzH blgi9yWbe+AQ7E3ODrxJBHMz/lkEne75LEsPBCA4Io5qwBJcOZtedH3c297ti66yOcW4 3BX/6neZ9QU2arDvvhMWhx0xuXnDTQTZqacGHrJp9X+AND8pd2mSesWLrNR67iUrpcsh SvSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.176 with SMTP id m16mr5682174vdg.1.1331152237915; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.93.42 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matthew Story To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:30:39 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Gould wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Tovar wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > >> > >> So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need > >> and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra > >> trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they > >> want and is happy, it seems. > >> > > > > Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder > > than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive > > (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions > > of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for > > the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy > > compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports, > > which is how we have it now. > > > > Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the > > responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make > > decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the > > stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this > > seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux > > distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices > > for you). > > > > Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it > > would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the > > responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would > > be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what > > you are looking for.) > There is a port of apt (sysutils/apt) which you can install, and use to maintain your system via apt repositories. Not sure if anyone is maintaining an apt repository out in the world, for use with FreeBSD. > > > > -- > > Benjamin Tovar > > > > It is not newbie friendly. As a non-techie (CPA), however, I can tell > you that it makes the user a better user; and **that** is a good > thing. Some things are worth doing. > > :-) > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- regards, matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:34:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3669106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC9D8FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so10884954lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:34:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ne59Oc2YYU5WAHtXtexgIfIBk/Ci5bj4Fj/Yh469fcE=; b=ZCtZ5oBfGnYa5EHWID6p+BrKmEXCfchJOmxoaNfaKqgF8Cob08Tk9R1mX+AFsRHoyK IwBNSyzY8rq8/3FDUzzKvjMgbLAZ7UWCw6qpX4VFb5IsaDvnrM8QqWkPRl68E1zZKFT0 P3I0LjQehBrlAm/P4PkiV6BW4pkvqxaSYbD60OKGXc2dOe05sA5YjeTc06/IB16b3iu/ PJzNCl8pWWUXidjGWPDbYnU422zQwBK9QS8mCwa/fYw7rtebMNCEp4Fc9o6TdyU/1euf 1z/RLgHug+qvKYSUUOMPF/qBvY9uFBaw4rWG+F40EH0JMESzKRSRQ8lIl0Tl7ciKExA2 ALuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.125.41 with SMTP id mn9mr2515702lab.30.1331152450985; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:34:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120307191246.GB2241@ankh-morpork.net> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:34:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Benjamin Tovar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:34:13 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Benjamin Tovar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:57:46PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > > So it seems like a happy compromise here. You will get what you need > > and us newbies and other users who really dont want the extra > > trouble of compiling will get our binaries. Everyone gets what they > > want and is happy, it seems. > > > > Yes, this sounds awfully good, except that I think it is much harder > than you think. First, some options are mutually exclusive > (i.e. ncurses vs slang)... so, maybe there are two, or three versions > of the same package... and again, this sounds awfully good, except for > the limited and volunteered time of a port maintainer. A happy > compromise might be then to have binary packages of popular ports, > which is how we have it now. > > its really not that difficult and this is not an issue tht cannot be dealt with in the default binary package configuration. Both slang and ncurses could be installed and applications could be linked to one or the other. If ncurses is a better choice for instance, it couild be by default linked to that. So if a package has a choice oif being linked to ncurses or slang, then one package will be built, linked to ncurses or whatever is the generally best option and that build of the application will be the binary package. The point i would like to make is, for us to have good binary packages, we dont need to create a different package for every combination of compile time options, but instead compile with the best default set of options. If a user wants more flexibility than that, they are free to compile with ports. the availability of a binary package in no way whatsoever limits the availability of the option to compile a port if the user wants to do that. its not an either or thing. Where two options are mutually exclusive, the best option should be chosen. Where the two options are not mutually exclusive and add a feature or capability to the software, the option can be included. run time configuration settigns should be set to the most reasonable values. > Second, and I think this the most important reason, ports put the > responsibility of the system on the user. They force you to make > decisions on exactly what software is installed. You want the > stability and freedom of FreeBSD without this responsibility, and this > seems very hard to compromise (e.g., macosx and most linux > distributions remove the responsibility by making all these choices > for you). > > Is this newbie friendly? Probably not. Does it need to be? Well, it > would be nice if more people use it, but if we remove the > responsibility from the user, then it would not be FreeBSD, it would > be something else. (Like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which sounds like what > you are looking for.) > > The fact is, again, allowing the user to not go into that kind of detail and not mess around with compile time options, does not prevent in any way you from doing so. the OS should be about freedom, Not YOU forcing your ideas about how the system should be used on everyone else. as I repeatedly said, you are free to configure your applications compile to your hearts content, i support you having that freedom.You are the one in fact who has been trying to take away my freedom of not having to mess around with compile options if I dont want to. > -- > just let users decide if they want to compile port or use pre compiled package for themselves > Benjamin Tovar > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:37:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F41B1065673 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FAE8FC1C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pool-96-229-186-65.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [96.229.186.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q27KbG3B059164; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <4F572CFF.8030708@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:37:15 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3248CBB5-F412-4F4D-96B1-16F134A87DAC@lafn.org> References: <4F572CFF.8030708@gmail.com> To: Volodymyr Kostyrko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Dynamic Libraries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:37:17 -0000 On 7 March 2012, at 01:40, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > Doug Hardie wrote: >> I have encountered something that I do not understand. Everything = works fine. Basically I have a bunch of user modules (low level) that = are built into a dynamic library. If I write top level code that calls = modules in that library, everything works just fine on i386 and AMD64. = However, the application involved has another library of modules. Some = of them call modules in the low level library. The top level code call = modules in both libraries. Often when it calls a module in the mid = level library, that module calls several modules in the low level = library. >>=20 >> All this works just fine on i386. However, when I compile everything = on AMD64 I get an error message that says the lower level library needs = to be compiled with fPIC. If I add that to the Makefile for the lower = level library and rebuild everything, it all works again. I don't = understand why the fPIC is required for AMD64. >>=20 >> Also, how do I tell if the lower level library is being dynamically = linked at run time, or being directly incorporated into the mid level = library or top level application? Since both of these libraries are = quite large, and they are in use by a number of top level applications, = I want just one copy to exist in physical memory. >=20 > This sounds exactly like compiling with clang through ccache. There = are issues with clang and ccache cooperation. Actually the one you may = hit is libtool detecting implicit fPIC requirement when running clang = through ccache. The Makefile specifies GCC and its FreeBSD 8.0. I don't believe clang = was in that soon, but I may be wrong. How can I check that? Where is = clang? I have installed 9.0 on another system but haven't had time to = try that out yet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 20:49:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB31F1065786 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8183D8FC0C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8671 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2012 20:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2012 20:49:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=qDrP03nIIhZcwge/JxRgTnTBEg+1atgtywime4zP93s=; b=RpTBOAEu5ZhZRI1rPq8dhg/YpOrMkYYKQ55A4eQUcbf0pa563291EKCPgt5qjBAHp6W7XGI20HWMHqppSr1w2sTZ9sEziTnEv1QixRJNcZzw80j4sKVkBgNKsZAliZTW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5NnX-0006tx-Mp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:49:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:49:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:49:24 -0000 Has there been any movement toward getting BSD Unix systems running on the Raspberry Pi platform? I've been searching for information along those lines, but so far have seen nothing. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:01:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ABD106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C30E8FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so5383605wer.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:01:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WymqppiWattwpWzJW43RyJK718JkU43c7Vku8uRaLZc=; b=Z8d1YO+Bt48V6Hszvp/I6HA0HNlHc/Bqd2CyEKYSA0LEPK2PihXN6frkiCG1lrIMJt GunEWD3M0nSbsQ7WeTro4huQ9tZiNOOBrvtpOzQihB0UkjkahwYZJT2IUb1uAoVGGcuS 96nQZ/4C4LF2dpGSOZLHjxKYJnA+DG6Sd33wvfj3cbj82VVH88shUsKrJ8eJPziNj1OS mo8d7QryHi0UbDt1zYD31PBXnnK+BWXAzfLoWR3iAc5QMmsv5bo2aDoTY1p7RL8J145I ejOnGtdYDLyyVpn0Wa6rQ7lhlG+4P8Xi3KOqJb+rVxPOVhSXX1/a778uxdd0QPxAVwUV KHuA== Received: by 10.180.93.4 with SMTP id cq4mr6803283wib.21.1331154089721; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h19sm38516617wiw.9.2012.03.07.13.01.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:01:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:01:26 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120307210126.01a9c965@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:01:31 -0000 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500 David Jackson wrote: > One faulty argument I heard was that it is often not a good idea to > upgrade to new software release. This is an argument that you appear to have completely misunderstood. The point of suggesting that you use release package is that it's a workaround for your problems, and minor releases are not all that far apart. > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, > for the standard i386 CPU. Surely that would be the standard amd64. > A good software philosophy is to allow software to work out of the > box with as little configuration as possible, but allow everything to > be configured by the user if they want, by shipping software with > reasonable defaults which can be overridden by the user. Make simple > things easy and complicated things doable. In GUI, by default, > complexity can be hidden from users, but if people want fine grain > control, they should be free to use advanced screens of the GUI to > get complex, fine grained control. In GUI design, more commonly used > settings can be provided more upfront while advanced features for use > by experts can be placed deeper in advanced or expert screens oft the > GUI. Everything should be able to be configured or accomplished by > both GUI and CLI and API. Are aware that FreeBSD is mostly a server OS? > doing any system wide all at once OS-release upgrades at all. There > is no reason why kernel and userland programs have to be upgraded at > the same time... The idea of waiting on a FreeBSD kernel release to > upgrade firefox is absurd, and the idea that firefox must be upgraded > during a kernel upgrade is also absurd. You don't have to do that, that's complete nonsense. > There really should be little reason for release upgrades anymore > these days, when the different parts of the system can be upgraded > independantly through a binary package management tool, including > kernel and user programs. > > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of > the packages on the system at the same time. You reinstall packages because there are major library changes when you cross a major base-system release. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:10:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA3F106566B for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from limerick.barragry.com (limerick.barragry.com [64.85.174.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9488FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by limerick.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 98FB6199B20E; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:10:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:10:52 -0600 From: freebsd-lists-erik@erikosterholm.org To: David Jackson Message-ID: <20120307211052.GA66876@limerick.barragry.com> References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:10:59 -0000 On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:20:19PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > I think that your statement here is fundamentally flawed and wrong, because > you have assumed that it is impossible for the OS to be able to be user > friendly and geek friendly at the same time. This is wrong. In fact, I have > outlined ways repeatedly that FreeBSD could provide an easy to use package > system without compromising on the flexibility of ports in any way. The > idea that the OS has to be either difficult to use or it has to be easy to > use for novices is wrong. The OS can be both and I have written about ways > that can be done, in fact, I can show how it can be done in every area. For > instance, with better binary packages, those are simply built from ports > using the best set of options. Those who want to compile for themselves > will still be able to do so, just fine. > > So you have presented a position here that is simply not true. FreeBSD can > be more user friendly and as the same time be flexible and friendly to > experts such as yourself. > > its not an either or choice. It can be, if there aren't resources available to devote to both. You've brought this up multiple times. No one is interested in actually doing it. Maybe you should do it yourself and provide the person-power and hardware to get it done right. If it works, I suspect that the FreeBSD devs would accept it and make you an official contributor. Otherwise, as has been noted several times, you are not FreeBSD's target audience. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:27:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF10106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B808FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so5850040wgb.31 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:27:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.88.164 with SMTP id bh4mr29030184wib.22.1331155663996; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.78.138 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.211] In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmonreyJvdnRrQMC/ip+t/qY7n8dD1TXUK+ZkbA0LrAqzPhDv12DY64eiqMRrBOu5cuu+dT Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:27:45 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:56 AM, David Jackson wrote: > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about 99% > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less about > compiling source and messing with compiler options. Maybe FreeBSD isn't right for them. It's not meant to be all things to all people. It may be that a different OS would fill your needs better. If so, you should use it! If you're determined to run some kind of BSD UNIX, you should investigate PC-BSD, which is meant to be easier to install and maintain for non-technical users. For someone who claims to have given up on FreeBSD, you certainly seem to have a lot of time to argue about it. Why the anger? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:36:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3D2106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7FD8FC12 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS7 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:35:58 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.166.188.191] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'Chad Perrin'" , "'FreeBSD Questions'" References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:35:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQHgJ3PAhf3fLAAfbEAe/KSDV5hEapY5BU5w Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2012 21:35:58.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[49220D30:01CCFCAA] Cc: Subject: RE: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:36:05 -0000 People have not had a chance to get their hands on to even start on it yet. The few boards out in public before last week were developer boards that were really hard to get a hold of. Most current devel is based on linux due to the binary blob. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:49 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Raspberry Pi Has there been any movement toward getting BSD Unix systems running on the Raspberry Pi platform? I've been searching for information along those lines, but so far have seen nothing. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:40:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC781065672 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7940F8FC19 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2339 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2012 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2012 21:40:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=PHpvMnS/1JCJx/OpH/J+XdxazuoopedELFUF/mLaLHk=; b=Df0Mi4Vi/sulUSqm97baoUkd5PgJF+jB/xd6VfmsK3yGdJE0wLtPia1sirUIh/lDo01NeQLNftFAINpGBsBeJhJ+/q5Zq6si0IfZCXkFYj4BfpPg9Owa61ElezFt88/B; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5Oaf-0005Nn-8U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:40:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:40:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: 'FreeBSD Questions' Message-ID: <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: 'FreeBSD Questions' References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:40:10 -0000 On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 04:35:47PM -0500, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > People have not had a chance to get their hands on to even start on it yet. > The few boards out in public before last week were developer boards that > were really hard to get a hold of. Most current devel is based on linux due > to the binary blob. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for people and projects working on this). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 21:43:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CD0106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DBE8FC14 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA9217A7; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:43:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q27Lh5gm001985; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:43:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:43:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Jackson Message-Id: <20120307224305.eb6e6ed0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:43:08 -0000 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:42:52 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > > David, allow me to add a few thoughts: > > > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:28:47 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > As for compile options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature > > > options and the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for > > > the standard i386 CPU. > > > > I think this can develop into a major problem in certain > > countries where listening to MP3 is illegal. :-) > > > > > You are talking about the codec. Mostly, yes, but also about "what to include": For example, the mplayer port can build mplayer _and_ mencoder. For a GUI version, there's gmplayer and gmencoder. A "universal package" would contain them all. > What Ubuntu seems to do is distribute these codecs as a seperate nonfree > addon package which are then loaded by applications at run time. You see, > options do not necessarily have to be compiled into programs, they can be > loaded at libraries and then loaded by programs at run time if they are > available. I know this approach, it's effective within the Linux eco- system and the special view at "free vs. nonfree". However, delegating installation and updating tasks from system tools to individual applications looks... hmmm... looks very old-fashioned and wrong to me. Just imagine 100 installed applications would not start, instead inter- actively annoying you that there may be updates available, and you should install them now, and reboot? That kind of exaggeration is an example of how to to it totally wrong. Loading things at runtime is something different than permanently installing things to the system. A web page loads a Javascript source file at runtime, but do you want it to automatically install a web server to your system? :-) > > > If people want customisations then they can build > > > the software for themselves. > > > > That's what they'll do anyway. :-) > > > > > No, usually they do not. Few people except for hard core geeks want to mess > around with compile options. most will use runtime configuration through a > GUI which is faster. Well, I'm not a hard core geek, but I have to make things running on limited resources. For example, what if you need to turn a 300 MHz P2 into a usable workstation? There's no other way than dealing with /etc/make.conf and looking at port options. Those who intend to customize things usually are familiar with the options that are presented, even though theose options might look like logorrhea to others. Most option screens are full of words (of dependencies or features) that do not make any sense (and there's no way to conclude what they do except doing a web search). For those who tweak, they are no obstacle, but for newcomers they may really be annoying: "Do I need KLOMPATSH and SHLORTZ support? And if I do, what do I need them for?" :-) > > > When a new kernel is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the > > > packages on the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland > > > packages have different development cycles, there is no reason why there > > > has to be synchronization of the upgrading. > > > > It sometimes is neccessary, for example if kernel interfaces > > have changed. There is some means of compatibility provided by > > the compat_ ports. But if you start upgrading things, libraries > > can break, and the system may become unstable (in terms of not > > being able of running certain programs anymore). Just see how > > "kernel and world are out of sync" errors can even cause the > > system to stop booting. Degrading the inner workings of the OS > > to "just another package" can cause trouble. "Simple updates" > > as they are often performed on Linux systems can render the > > whole installation totally unusable because "something minor" > > went wrong. :-) > > > > > > > A well designed system will provide backwards compatability through various > strategies and this does not necessarily need to affect internal software > design as the backwards compatability can also be provided by compatability > layers and glue code. Please do not underestimate the complexity of an operating system. It is not a simple brick of chocolate. It's very complicated, end even "easy" things like backwards compatibility and universal interfaces need a lot of complexity "behind the scenes". The more versions "to skip", the more work is needed to keep it running. Just have a look at today's (!) common mainframe operating systems that still allow you to address a card punch in your program. :-) > > > An OS that requires a user to reinstall > > > everything just to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. > > > > Why do consider a user being supposed to mess with kernels? > > This question can show that I'm already too old: Programs > > are for users, kernels are for sysadmins. Sysadmins do stuff > > properly, even if they shoot their foot in order to learn > > an important lesson. :-) > > > > > Users have to upgrade the kernel, with a well designed OS this is a process > that does not require any sort of problems for the user. You didn't answer the question: WHY do they have to? :-) I see a collision of two paradigms here: Install once, then use. This approach means that you stay fully functional within a specific conglomerate of software which will work. Things may break only when you try to do an upgrade. The set of features you can access is constant. Keep up to date. This approach requires you to constantly upgrade things, and because of the inter-program-relations (dependencies, libraries), things can also break along the way. A system that has been changed is not guaranteed to work the next day. The set of features provided by this approach is not constant: it may increase, but may decrease too (so you can loose functionality after updating). Which approach _you_ will choose depends on your individual requirements. Which _tools_ you will use to follow your chosen approach... that's a different question. For keeping a FreeBSD OS and system updated, tools using the binary way are: * freebsd-update * portsnap * pkg_add -r * portupgrade -PP If they fail, there is a _reason_ why they do. Investigating that reason should help to solve the problem. > Since good kernel > backwards compatability strategies will assure that the new kernel will > drop into place of the old one without causing problems. Except it's a custom kernel. :-) > Kernel upgrading should be done through the main package update tool and > the kernel itself distributed as a package, as Ubuntu does it. I think most Linusi handle it that way. In Linux land, there is no real differentiation between terms like "the operating system" and "installed programs". Every creator of a Linux distribution chooses his kernel and his "base applications" by selecting from a big pool of packages. So the "system" of Linux A may not be the same as of Linux B or Linux C. There is no centrally developed and tested operating system _as such_. FreeBSD however has "the operating system" which is maintained by the FreeBSD team to make sure quality requirements are met, documentation is available and changes are well tested. This means that following an update path like -STABLE or -RELEASE-pX will not be typically breaking things - unlike some Linux update paths that may turn your computer into a nice paper weight because the new kernel package doesn't boot. Packages, unlike the OS, have no differentiation of update paths such as -RELEASE (very well tested) or -STABLE (well tested); one could think some of them are like -CURRENT (which is a development branch that doesn't even guarantee to compile successfully in all imaginable cases). > This is also > how Windows Update does it as well. It can be done automatically with > automatic updates and the user does not need to worry about it. And when things break, you start poking a pile of garbage with a long pole. You have _no_ means of diagnostic, no other way than reverting to the last version (if that's even possible in such a case). Automated updates may be fine for home users, but they may be critical and even DEADLY when applied without care to an important server. As FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS, it will have to also consider those situations. > Not everyone who uses an OS is a system administrator. Users don't use an OS. They use programs. Or files. Or pictures. Or devices. Or apps. Depending on the experience and knowledge of the users in question, the idea of what they use may change over time. > Do you really think > that anyone who owns an Ipad or has a home desktop computer should be > required just to apply a kernel upgrade? The good thing is that kernel > upgrades do not need a system administrator. A well designed kernel will > not be so problematic that this will be required. If everything works as intended, that would be a lovely world. But sadly, things break, more often than you like them to. The problem is that if you need to diagnose a problem, you intendedly want to go the manual path, to see all the "hidden bits", because that's the only chance to get the system up again. Except you re-install and re-configure everything. > Dependancy problems will not exist if the kernel development follows sound > strategies for backwards compatability, which can include providing a > compatability layer with glue code, which means backwards compatability > need not necessarily affect the internals of the software system. Glue code is often considered a main reason for bloat, which generally is a bad thing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 22:17:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE7C1065676 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F08A8FC16 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so11026430lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=L8iWhQPohx2XXsx5NO6Rb5HUFeEImVq7teSm6DUOYKY=; b=IupeuRWJKzTHHzvuybl+Ui10xa829JzfeKUETJVlpSAbijKLqUiZFg0UGqAfOJFbPT uekgPoiSno8Xnx0J2jvIcLIfvBvjzEX/f+HX3yQXAwb9dO7CLbFJnnO8Moh0EGuS2sGS qEVDMxRLDSCUc5Jm6ZgJf9cwD7d7guywSaGb+pzbGAuCgnebs03NAaCeF0kgpb0bfb7j xMURo44v1UPNcgIW1CLn5tR1OXmntUsYce7SA7eyFTgfFLu1+ULRqlddZLOEIdqApgIe BXbwYfgPo9WyIDSZzzJgiX0Md/H9Jn0Xoi3e0ErnLkQ5uC8RYjUi2Sux+3yEuZKKZU3x D2ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.105 with SMTP id p9mr1378826lby.43.1331158653123; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: David Brodbeck , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:17:34 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:56 AM, David Jackson > wrote: > > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about > 99% > > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less > about > > compiling source and messing with compiler options. > > Maybe FreeBSD isn't right for them. It's not meant to be all things > to all people. It may be that a different OS would fill your needs > better. If so, you should use it! If you're determined to run some > kind of BSD UNIX, you should investigate PC-BSD, which is meant to be > easier to install and maintain for non-technical users. > > I actually did try PC-BSD and its not better than FreeBSD. An OS that demands users completely reinstall the operating system just to upgrade is user friendly? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 22:25:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB38106566C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996128FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q27M9N0l026392; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:09:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8AFF412344; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:09:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:09:23 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Doug Hardie Message-ID: <20120307220923.GB72419@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+g7M9IMkV8truYOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Dynamic Libraries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:25:34 -0000 --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:53:13AM -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > All this works just fine on i386. However, when I compile everything on > AMD64 I get an error message that says the lower level library needs to be > compiled with fPIC. If I add that to the Makefile for the lower level > library and rebuild everything, it all works again. I don't understand w= hy > the fPIC is required for AMD64. It is a requirement of the architecture. It is explained e.g. in:=20 http://www.technovelty.org/code/c/amd64-pic.html =20 > Also, how do I tell if the lower level library is being dynamically linked > at run time, or being directly incorporated into the mid level library or > top level application?=20 Examine the application with 'ldd -a '. That will give you a list of all dynamic objects used by an application, and for each of those dynamic objects the dynamic objects that they depend on. See ldd(1). If your low-level libraries don't show up in that, they are not dynamically loaded. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk9X3JMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUKYACglkPqvBeSOFGVmLue0hdfEJih yjkAoKcaMeKn/7zGjC1ipt0K/fkShcbb =fxd+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 22:28:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BF61065688 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@growveg.net) Received: from smtp1.servage.net (smtp1.servage.net [IPv6:2a01:3b0:1:fb:1::2001]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF0C8FC08 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from potato.growveg.org (potato.growveg.org [62.49.247.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.servage.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E0523232E; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F57E11A.8020503@growveg.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:28:42 +0000 From: John User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120303 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Jackson References: <20120307175852.7de93d6f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:28:13 -0000 On 07/03/2012 18:56, David Jackson wrote: > You have just now declared complete indifference to and alienated about 99% > of the potential user base and their needs, those who could care less about > compiling source and messing with compiler options. You're forgetting that one size does *not* fit all. There are many systems and much hardware out there that needs to be tweaked before it will "just work". And there is some hardware that is non-free and will not work without some software or firmware blob. And it's "couldn't care less" not "could". -- freebsd at growveg dot net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 22:32:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBC51065670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:32:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA38FC1E for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so5892033wgb.31 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xyb09FM4Es/Mya3NwOTrhZtKM/+krQtt/JNyCJzTKos=; b=WHPPG8X/gnJ9u/2Uf8bhDkKxW5um9lcQO3+XtwTxa1XLmjb3XMyUcJ4OFyla33lxAE XsLZOs2CfbVWfhWWCkFV6T9Ms8ie1QCpJ2fdQm+/jQ7XPQYphl0kHyN8gwZMBTeRAkT+ WV5gWKBZUrRZyHLohmCerKB90w6RRw9yR199a7Do3tbaSPISCJF27QOBpmr5ZB0vrK7i Z03fkHcrJpdw8ubEhQrlDUNZsZ+5EQ7QbuGEX0Ptojsw0bBYyyqeBBVpAMDSGU/b+XgA 4tnBMqbJtbCmYdj7rhz86o7V6tUMHCgRNTkoLiVKeU8vjqioRO62IUu79dkQQzQjK8we /xhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.9 with SMTP id p9mr1933966wei.9.1331159540683; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.93.138 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:32:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:32:22 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM, David Jackson wrote: > For now I have totally given up on FreeBSD > When was this going to occur exactly? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 22:41:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BB6106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EC68FC0A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP110 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:29:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [76.182.104.150] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.104.150]) by BLU0-SMTP110.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:29:09 -0800 Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3V38fD1zlXz2CG4t for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:29:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:29:07 -0500 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2012 22:29:09.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6DCB3F0:01CCFCB1] Subject: Problem with updated SAMBA & NTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:41:12 -0000 FreeBSD-8.2 STABLE samba34-3.4.14 A recent update os samba is now forcing me to enable "winbindd" or else samba will not start. I have no idea why I need it enabled or how to eliminate it and yet still get samba to start. Now, when booting up "ntp" reports this error: Updating motd:. Starting ntpd. Starting ddclient. Starting cupsd. Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: host name not found: 0.us.pool.ntp.org Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: couldn't resolve `0.us.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: host name not found: 1.us.pool.ntp.org Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: couldn't resolve `1.us.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: host name not found: 2.us.pool.ntp.org Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: couldn't resolve `2.us.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: host name not found: 3.us.pool.ntp.org Mar 7 17:03:24 scorpio ntpd_initres[1205]: couldn't resolve `3.us.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it These do resolve when I checked with "dig". These are the entries in the "ntp.conf" file: server 0.us.pool.ntp.org iburst maxpoll 9 server 1.us.pool.ntp.org iburst maxpoll 9 server 2.us.pool.ntp.org iburst maxpoll 9 server 3.us.pool.ntp.org iburst maxpoll 9 Now it gets more interesting. Although samba claims that it is running, I cannot connect to if from any Windows machines unless I manually stop and restart it. This just does not make any sense. I am at a loss as to where to start looking. Everything worked fine until two days ago. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 23:51:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F14106564A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4539C8FC1A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BD3CBAD; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 00:51:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q27Nph6R002346; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 00:51:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 00:51:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Jackson Message-Id: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:51:51 -0000 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications > > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update > > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates > > from source or install binary packages. > > > > > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature I > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, all > of these do not work. The portupgrade -PP command should be fine, if your ports tree is up to date. > I am working on getting the logs Those should be interesting. From my own experience, I know there is some software that cannot be easily be updated the binary way, but for most things, it should "just work", especially if you keep the default options and have sufficient time. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 01:13:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC038106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wowopla@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985948FC12 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so5860240vcm.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wyrzz+5B/T+ZV0VZj1jva+8hrO2uPBaXhRUOFraTFUA=; b=Xeyh3RNs0sQkZcFqQw2pc7mkVjSP5FLEboMeJz3KO5qgb8G2navy82SumyvavNvRHO eZ9x/qxaBbJLSu5eOlwlq+FFAfSsKnCiQLO2rJIPObk+6CkxLDDV5tm7UCMPk+sCsTxN wIAEu8bb7nStPtNsf6CfbVn4v5wDC2qnx0AAsL56VlenhtsY7vXM5Ty8oonYxfiSd9rP zUKrK+AQ473hi9cK0zxca2qZHhQlEPQ6p25g52iajC3PgkntIAHhQG2vvvvDQw78zwew iuv/j+w7SXMXgq+bZgVjwSMX73ucVLUp+FDZGMMxkOaMtbu7vARPVf/K2t9EDX43LVWK Yo2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.199 with SMTP id o7mr6914979vdf.79.1331169224069; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.164.101 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:13:44 +0800 Message-ID: From: bo wang To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:13:44 -0000 Thank your for reply. First,I think the Link Aggregation can't support too much ports aggregation.So I change the configure, just get together two ports.Below are configuration information of c3750: Switch#show eth 1 sum Flags: D - down P - bundled in port-channel I - stand-alone s - suspended H - Hot-standby (LACP only) R - Layer3 S - Layer2 U - in use f - failed to allocate aggregator M - not in use, minimum links not met u - unsuitable for bundling w - waiting to be aggregated d - default port Number of channel-groups in use: 2 Number of aggregators: 2 Group Port-channel Protocol Ports ------+-------------+-----------+------------------------------------------= ----- 1 Po1(SU) LACP Gi1/0/1(P) Gi1/0/2(P) Switch#show lacp neighbor Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode Channel group 1 neighbors Partner's information: LACP port Admin Oper Port Por= t Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number St= ate Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x= 3D Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x= 3D Channel group 2 neighbors Partner's information: LACP port Admin Oper Port Por= t Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number St= ate Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x= 3D Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x= 3D Switch#show lacp neighbor detail Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode Channel group 1 neighbors Partner's information: Partner Partner Partner Port System ID Port Number Age Flags Gi1/0/1 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x3 13s SA LACP Partner Partner Partner Port Priority Oper Key Port State 32768 0x250 0x3D Port State Flags Decode: Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: Active Long Yes Yes Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: Yes Yes No No Partner Partner Partner Port System ID Port Number Age Flags Gi1/0/2 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x4 14s SA LACP Partner Partner Partner Port Priority Oper Key Port State 32768 0x250 0x3D Port State Flags Decode: Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: Active Long Yes Yes Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: Yes Yes No No Channel group 2 neighbors Partner's information: Partner Partner Partner Port System ID Port Number Age Flags Gi1/0/13 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x3 15s SA LACP Partner Partner Partner Port Priority Oper Key Port State 32768 0x250 0x3D Port State Flags Decode: Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: Active Long Yes Yes Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: Yes Yes No No Partner Partner Partner Port System ID Port Number Age Flags Gi1/0/14 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x4 16s SA LACP Partner Partner Partner Port Priority Oper Key Port State 32768 0x250 0x3D Port State Flags Decode: Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: Active Long Yes Yes Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: Yes Yes No No 2012/3/7 bo wang : > Hello: > =A0 =A0 =A0Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the > speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R =A0 =A0 =A0 with B= SD > 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. > =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregati= on.html > =A0 =A0 =A0I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation =A0only= can > do Failover =A0.It cann't increase the =A0speed. What is the > problem?Detailed configuration as follows > > in the BSD9.0 =A0/etc/rc.conf > hostname=3D"bbc04" > ifconfig_bce2=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce3=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce4=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce5=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce6=3D"up" > ifconfig_bce7=3D"up" > cloned_interfaces=3D"lagg0" > ifconfig_lagg0=3D"laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 > laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" > ipv4_addrs_lagg0=3D"172.16.60.64/16" > defaultrouter=3D"172.16.0.1" > sshd_enable=3D"YES" > pureftpd_enable=3D"YES" > # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable > dumpdev=3D"NO" > > the Cisco 3750 configure > interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 > channel-proto lacp > channel-group 1 mode active > > > interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 > channel-proto lacp > channel-group 2 mode active From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 01:31:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A721D1065670 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 01:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DBC8FC1D for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 01:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so4969067wib.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:31:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ipfdxLKmw1aruSp5/zQZTotmOvv8WHJcZFQ9k0NPKEg=; b=SnIW+x52BjPHt7SB8pljA5x2HLdo0WYuwtpFLbLriTYBmcVgKGxPiCBIfbMdHsyJB0 jZmnZLWPIWmnoaCKDVKH7OywdpdVbOGCqcVtkATuehVPHNNmYDMfPxwqRT8bMG9Hjtpq 4mLgXIPmV7iVJkBDDeGiCarsIrmE094wammYIFGhqNk5u4hDmLnCsovAjA1DKOCS8R5l WF+j+XZ9whWGPWptRlGy4XxPgQtlRUuA3P2YRNATmaHgGCUg5R/t/TPnMX+x7DgfriaG EGIZOOPKJ6qhsS4a4jjJkvuJT/Ooq9Fi2ingYyMRqTdHZeC5JcWMi2RD+U+4LKMiQuWM BT3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.24.66 with SMTP id s2mr8146469wif.7.1331170287210; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.171.18 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:31:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: alexus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: apache22 + mod_fastcgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:31:28 -0000 --- LoadModule fastcgi_module libexec/apache22/mod_fastcgi.so AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/www/apache22/data/php -socket /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock --- this works for my apache for default virtualhost, yet if i use same thing under a virtualhost it won't work ServerName xxxx DocumentRoot /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/ AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php FastCgiExternalServer /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/php -socket /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock in default virtual host i PHP scripts gets executed no problem, under second it actually just starts downloading that php script.. any ideas? -- http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 02:01:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E5E10656D6 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA728FC19 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa01 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q281w7Rj029401 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:01:27 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 13ekab81gy-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:01:27 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:01:26 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:01:35 -0800 Message-ID: <0f4401ccfccf$64ce6720$2e6b3560$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acz8zw1m8VFvlXKYSGmN2VDhpMUF/g== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-07_08:2012-03-08, 2012-03-07, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: devin.teske@fisglobal.com Subject: tar(1) and --uid/--gid on 9.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:01:28 -0000 I see in the tar(1) man-page on FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE two options that I would like to use: --uid # --gid # Naturally, these are used to override the on-disk credentials while creating (or extracting) an archive. Problem? They don't seem to be supported. % tar cf some_archive.tar --gid 0 --uid 0 somedir tar: Option --gid is not supported ... WTF?! -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 02:43:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48362106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@ShaneWare.Biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28DA8FC0A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:43:24 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAFUZWE/LevdH/2dsb2JhbABDtjGCCgEBBThBEAsYCRMDDwkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQGIA7lzkG8EpViCdg Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2012 13:13:18 +1030 Message-ID: <4F581C66.8000909@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:11:42 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120213 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jb References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFCE - how to edit menu ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:43:25 -0000 On 04/03/2012 17:37, jb wrote: > Hi, > I find it annoying having same items listed in multiple menus, e.g. > > - Accessories - Bulk Rename > Orage Globaltime > Terminal > Thunar File Manager > Help > > - Office - Orage Globaltime > > - System - Bulk Rename > Terminal > Thunar File Manager > > - Applications Menu - Help > > How can I edit the menus ? > Also, how to rename Applications Menu to e.g. just Menu as it would better > reflect applications and system (utilities) components ? I started looking at this a while ago, this is incomplete but could get you started. I am sure there was a page in the xfce wiki about customising menus. What I found is you start by right clicking on the application menu and show properties where you can change from default to custom file menu - ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu matches the default and is an xml file. There is also some info that comes from the applications desktop files. I think the categories field links them to the matching category entries in the menu file. This is where newly installed apps just show up. Look in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/local/share/applications for the *.desktop files - I believe the home dir versions override the /usr ones but haven't looked at what gets overwritten by reinstall etc. -- Shane Ambler FreeBSD (at) ShaneWare (dot) Biz http://ShaneWare.Biz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 02:45:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E43106566C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DD58FC1A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCB61703E; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:25:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F5818A4.20509@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:25:40 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bo wang References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:45:09 -0000 bo wang wrote: > Thank your for reply. > First,I think the Link Aggregation can't support too much ports > aggregation.So I change the configure, just get together two > ports.Below are configuration information of c3750: ??? > Switch#show eth 1 sum Check your eth discriptor this is for Linux is not for FreeBSD use ed0 or other FreeBSD > Flags: D - down P - bundled in port-channel > I - stand-alone s - suspended > H - Hot-standby (LACP only) > R - Layer3 S - Layer2 > U - in use f - failed to allocate aggregator > > M - not in use, minimum links not met > u - unsuitable for bundling > w - waiting to be aggregated > d - default port > > > Number of channel-groups in use: 2 > Number of aggregators: 2 > > Group Port-channel Protocol Ports > ------+-------------+-----------+----------------------------------------------- > 1 Po1(SU) LACP Gi1/0/1(P) Gi1/0/2(P) > > > Switch#show lacp neighbor > Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs > F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs > A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode > > Channel group 1 neighbors > > Partner's information: > > LACP port Admin Oper Port Port > Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State > Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D > Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D > > Channel group 2 neighbors > > Partner's information: > > LACP port Admin Oper Port Port > Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State > Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D > Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D > > > Switch#show lacp neighbor detail > Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs > F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs > A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode > > Channel group 1 neighbors > > Partner's information: > > > Partner Partner Partner > Port System ID Port Number Age Flags > Gi1/0/1 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x3 13s SA > > LACP Partner Partner Partner > Port Priority Oper Key Port State > 32768 0x250 0x3D > > Port State Flags Decode: > Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: > Active Long Yes Yes > > Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: > Yes Yes No No > > Partner Partner Partner > Port System ID Port Number Age Flags > Gi1/0/2 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x4 14s SA > > LACP Partner Partner Partner > Port Priority Oper Key Port State > 32768 0x250 0x3D > > Port State Flags Decode: > Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: > Active Long Yes Yes > > Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: > Yes Yes No No > > Channel group 2 neighbors > > Partner's information: > > > Partner Partner Partner > Port System ID Port Number Age Flags > Gi1/0/13 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x3 15s SA > > LACP Partner Partner Partner > Port Priority Oper Key Port State > 32768 0x250 0x3D > > Port State Flags Decode: > Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: > Active Long Yes Yes > > Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: > Yes Yes No No > > Partner Partner Partner > Port System ID Port Number Age Flags > Gi1/0/14 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x4 16s SA > > LACP Partner Partner Partner > Port Priority Oper Key Port State > 32768 0x250 0x3D > > Port State Flags Decode: > Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: > Active Long Yes Yes > > Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: > Yes Yes No No > > 2012/3/7 bo wang : >> Hello: >> Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the >> speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD >> 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html >> I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can >> do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the >> problem?Detailed configuration as follows >> >> in the BSD9.0 /etc/rc.conf >> hostname="bbc04" >> ifconfig_bce2="up" >> ifconfig_bce3="up" >> ifconfig_bce4="up" >> ifconfig_bce5="up" >> ifconfig_bce6="up" >> ifconfig_bce7="up" >> cloned_interfaces="lagg0" >> ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 >> laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" >> ipv4_addrs_lagg0="172.16.60.64/16" >> defaultrouter="172.16.0.1" >> sshd_enable="YES" >> pureftpd_enable="YES" >> # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable >> dumpdev="NO" >> >> the Cisco 3750 configure >> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 >> channel-proto lacp >> channel-group 1 mode active >> >> >> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 >> channel-proto lacp >> channel-group 2 mode active > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 03:04:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77542106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87188FC14 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so54438lag.13 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:04:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cbIVyDrNIlMQdI5cF1q9zquHadwfg9ga/5y841dUWwI=; b=Vbht5P65tCg8U0OgSTsGJo9LwcxJqW2V/6kpINHnydTZCcIqAUTAOhWJkeGVeGJsCB GinWmU1al0SxUjWXuebZYql4ivEoKW7PtaunE4v5aj2hVIvGLsCq6FvlSmuUscoRiqp5 bUU80LHa6cirJzS3uuW1BM4rJVYCHvCWnzo7508+i6rFRb//gCvD9rcwpdpAZkZTnXeJ I5QH+q444UCHxqFPXHwV/vD2c48edqUM8mgOSfJ9JgUaV2j6BiM+Me1AuIIBJh0nSf6k gf7CIBbT5vZzUbLnMct80gUfKZ0sxyGQ6GolmgwkVSifOG5TQlqNN5/MMCJSwUQs4G9/ 4akw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.128.163 with SMTP id np3mr3208892lab.51.1331175875652; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:04:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:04:37 -0000 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > > > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications > > > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > > > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update > > > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > > > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates > > > from source or install binary packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature > I > > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, > all > > of these do not work. > > The portupgrade -PP command should be fine, if your ports > tree is up to date. > > > portupgrade -PP did not work for me, it gave me error messages about failed downloads. > > > I am working on getting the logs > > Those should be interesting. From my own experience, I know > there is some software that cannot be easily be updated the > binary way, but for most things, it should "just work", > especially if you keep the default options and have sufficient > time. :-) > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 03:11:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F060106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19D58FC14 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6587B3CCF8; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:11:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q283BoEo003503; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:11:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:11:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Jackson Message-Id: <20120308041150.422a4c57.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:11:53 -0000 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:04:35 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > > > > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications > > > > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > > > > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update > > > > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > > > > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates > > > > from source or install binary packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature > > I > > > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, > > all > > > of these do not work. > > > > The portupgrade -PP command should be fine, if your ports > > tree is up to date. > > > > > > > portupgrade -PP did not work for me, it gave me error messages about failed > downloads. Have you been able to perform the download manually? This is _not_ for actual use, but for diagnostics! Is the URI accessed by portupgrade properly constructed? Typically it's a FTP URI that you can check using the system's standard FTP tool (or web browser, if you want). I had similar trouble years ago when portupgrade wasn't considered "mature enough", but today there should be a good reason for a failing download. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 03:36:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0D5106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4678FC0A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q283aTSB010102; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:29 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-173-30.as13285.net [92.22.173.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q283aSWj010094; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:28 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 469C733C1F; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 03:36:28 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: David Jackson Message-ID: <20120308033628.GD50702@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W5WqUoFLvi1M7tJE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:36:37 -0000 --W5WqUoFLvi1M7tJE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:04:35PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > > > > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applicatio= ns > > > > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > > > > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can upd= ate > > > > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > > > > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updat= es > > > > from source or install binary packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feat= ure > > I > > > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, > > all > > > of these do not work. > > > > The portupgrade -PP command should be fine, if your ports > > tree is up to date. > > > > > > > portupgrade -PP did not work for me, it gave me error messages about fail= ed > downloads. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > > > > I am working on getting the logs > > Work harder. Try script(1). Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --W5WqUoFLvi1M7tJE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk9YKTsACgkQHduKvUAgeK4rSQCfStS9/dafia+iB8nP2LgYzUZJ 5EEAoLrmGCmustvvLlRdT786sL3XDaFO =BtCF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W5WqUoFLvi1M7tJE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 04:06:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E271065673 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953D88FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10585544; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:06:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.246] (account jon@radel.com HELO winesap.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10585541 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:05:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4F583020.2010405@radel.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:05:52 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070201080402020302040002" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:06:20 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070201080402020302040002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/6/12 11:41 PM, bo wang wrote: > > Hello: > Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the > speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD > 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation= =2Ehtml > I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can= > do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the > problem?Detailed configuration as follows How are you measuring the speed to determine that there is no speed-up?=20 You're not, by some chance, sending test data between a single source=20 and single destination address pair are you? --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms070201080402020302040002-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 04:49:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07529106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C0A8FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7A95C28 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:02:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 070525C22 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:02:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F583904.5030000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:43:48 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F581C66.8000909@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <4F581C66.8000909@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: XFCE - how to edit menu ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:49:06 -0000 On 03/08/12 12:41, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 04/03/2012 17:37, jb wrote: >> Hi, >> I find it annoying having same items listed in multiple menus, e.g. >> >> - Accessories - Bulk Rename >> Orage Globaltime >> Terminal >> Thunar File Manager >> Help >> >> - Office - Orage Globaltime >> >> - System - Bulk Rename >> Terminal >> Thunar File Manager >> >> - Applications Menu - Help >> >> How can I edit the menus ? >> Also, how to rename Applications Menu to e.g. just Menu as it would >> better >> reflect applications and system (utilities) components ? > > I started looking at this a while ago, this is incomplete but could > get you started. > > I am sure there was a page in the xfce wiki about customising menus. > > What I found is you start by right clicking on the application menu > and show properties where you can change from default to custom file > menu - ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu matches the default and > is an xml file. > > There is also some info that comes from the applications desktop files. > I think the categories field links them to the matching category > entries in the menu file. This is where newly installed apps just show > up. > > Look in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/local/share/applications > for the *.desktop files - I believe the home dir versions override the > /usr ones but haven't looked at what gets overwritten by reinstall etc. You can also use alacarte. Should be in ports, you then just right click to edit the menu. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 05:53:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADACD1065673 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FBD8FC08 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S5WHy-0006CM-Bo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:53:22 +0100 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:53:22 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:53:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4F581C66.8000909@ShaneWare.Biz> <4F583904.5030000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1) Subject: Re: XFCE - how to edit menu ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:53:29 -0000 Da Rock herveybayaustralia.com.au> writes: > ... > > What I found is you start by right clicking on the application menu > > and show properties where you can change from default to custom file > > menu - ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu matches the default and > > is an xml file. > > ... > > Look in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/local/share/applications > > for the *.desktop files - I believe the home dir versions override the > > /usr ones but haven't looked at what gets overwritten by reinstall etc. Yes, I figured it out. http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu > You can also use alacarte. Should be in ports, you then just right click > to edit the menu. > ,,, I used to use it under Gnome. But under Xfce, I can not bring myself to use it due to its 1537 dependencies. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=alacarte&stype=all Thanks guys. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 07:10:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8CB1065672 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 07:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA208FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 07:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 583FC5439C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 465AD29F Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:10:15 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120308071015.GA18924@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120308005143.2b0763c7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 07:10:26 -0000 On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:04:35PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:05:37 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > > Many of your issues are non-issues, as your suggestions were > > > > implemented in some form long ago. For example, updated applications > > > > are compiled and available online. You can use "pkg_add -r" to > > > > install the newest binary package that is available, or you can update > > > > your an installed application by updating the ports and using > > > > portupgrade, which has options to control whether you compile updates > > > > from source or install binary packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pkg-add -r does not seem to be an "upgrade all packages" sort of feature > > I > > > am looking for. I have tried pkg-upgrade, portmaster, and portupgrade, > > all > > > of these do not work. > > > > The portupgrade -PP command should be fine, if your ports > > tree is up to date. > > > > > > > portupgrade -PP did not work for me, it gave me error messages about failed > downloads. > Assuming you were trying on a RELEASE: Packages for a RELEASE are frozen. Since, most of the time, versions in ports tree are newer than the frozen ones, naturally, you'll get the error about failed download(s) (disregarding that in addition to that you might have proxy problems etc. that others have mentioned). Packages built against STABLE are generally up to date, and you can safely use them with the corresponding RELEASE. To do that, change the PACKAGESITE environment variable as described in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html and pkg_fetch(1). -- Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it's hard to get it back in. -- H. R. Haldeman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 08:05:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8018106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from legolas@legolasweb.nl) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C7E8FC14 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.136] (helo=smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5XZW-0007tU-T1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:15:34 +0100 Received: from 5357e32a.cm-6-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.227.42] helo=homey.local) by smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5XZW-0005ff-KC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:15:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:15:56 +0100 From: Stas Verberkt To: In-Reply-To: <0f4401ccfccf$64ce6720$2e6b3560$@fisglobal.com> References: <0f4401ccfccf$64ce6720$2e6b3560$@fisglobal.com> Message-ID: <50ead08879f8129c6f566a8e9f1343a7@homey.local> X-Sender: legolas@legolasweb.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.1 X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.8 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_40=-0.001, PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.2 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No Subject: Re: tar(1) and --uid/--gid on 9.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:05:06 -0000 Devin Teske schreef op 08-03-2012 3:01: > I see in the tar(1) man-page on FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE two options that > I would > like to use: > > --uid # > --gid # > [...] > > % tar cf some_archive.tar --gid 0 --uid 0 somedir > tar: Option --gid is not supported > ... > When I look through the list of options in the source (http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/9.0/usr.bin/tar/cmdline.c?revision=227445&view=markup), I do not see those options. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 08:51:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04831106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820158FC14 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q288p3iv031326; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 08:51:04 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:51:03 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120219 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chad Perrin References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:51:16 -0000 On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 04:35:47PM -0500, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> People have not had a chance to get their hands on to even start on it yet. >> The few boards out in public before last week were developer boards that >> were really hard to get a hold of. Most current devel is based on linux due >> to the binary blob. > > Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. > > If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry > Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if > someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for > people and projects working on this). > There was a discussion about it over on hackers@ last November. The thread starts at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-November/036742.html TL;DR summary: some are wildly in favour of it, others are completely negative. I.e. the usual network response to anything :-} Unless someone capable and willing to do the port managed to get one of the first production batch, the next lot won't be available for 7-8 weeks at the earliest. My order is currently expected to be delivered the second week in May. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 09:00:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E3E106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135228FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so210957bkc.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.139 with SMTP id x11mr2491511bkw.59.1331197232740; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bw9sm1785348bkb.8.2012.03.08.01.00.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:00:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F58752E.2010405@my.gd> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:00:30 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bo wang , questions@freebsd.org References: <4F5818A4.20509@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3Pq7+NSR2RN9YPWzuRpMQR2ZlhqfaSU7fsBn+oxvDJFS2aqZVEUCxNHcukuhVL7CTYllA Cc: Subject: Re: Fwd: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:00:34 -0000 >From your switch, run the following tests: core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 Would select Gi1/1/1 of Po2 core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.9 Would select Gi2/1/1 of Po2 core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.10 Would select Gi2/1/1 of Po2 Of course, you'll want to adjust with your own servers and PC IP addresses. On 3/8/12 9:33 AM, bo wang wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: bo wang > Date: 2012/3/8 > Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover > To: noc@hdk5.net > > > Hello: > Please see the picture 1 that is my test before.Doing 2 group in > c3750.When I use PC and server2 to connect server1 fpt server for > download. I find the server1 just use 1 port of lagg, other ports > don't work. > Then I change my test , picture2 is showed. I do only 1 group in > c3750 for server1. And do the same test.I find that there are two > ports of lagg work.The lagg0 top speed can be 140MB/s (server2 speed > is 100MB/S, PC speed is 40MB/s) It can increase top speed. > So what can I do for doinig two group in a switch? > > > > 2012/3/8 bo wang : >> Sorry,I can't understand what your meaning. >> >> Switch#show etherchannel >> Channel-group listing: >> ---------------------- >> >> Group: 1 >> ---------- >> Group state = L2 >> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >> Protocol: LACP >> Minimum Links: 0 >> >> Group: 2 >> ---------- >> Group state = L2 >> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >> Protocol: LACP >> Minimum Links: 0 >> >> >> Switch#show etherchannel detail >> Channel-group listing: >> ---------------------- >> >> Group: 1 >> ---------- >> Group state = L2 >> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >> Protocol: LACP >> Minimum Links: 0 >> Ports in the group: >> ------------------- >> Port: Gi1/0/1 >> ------------ >> >> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >> Channel group = 1 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >> Port-channel = Po1 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po1 >> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >> >> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >> >> Local information: >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/1 SA bndl 32768 0x1 0x1 0x102 0x3D >> >> Partner's information: >> >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 24s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D >> >> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:41m:09s >> >> Port: Gi1/0/2 >> ------------ >> >> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >> Channel group = 1 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >> Port-channel = Po1 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po1 >> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >> >> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >> >> Local information: >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/2 SA bndl 32768 0x1 0x1 0x103 0x3D >> >> Partner's information: >> >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 26s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D >> >> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:41m:15s >> >> Port-channels in the group: >> --------------------------- >> >> Port-channel: Po1 (Primary Aggregator) >> >> ------------ >> >> Age of the Port-channel = 12d:22h:41m:21s >> Logical slot/port = 10/1 Number of ports = 2 >> HotStandBy port = null >> Port state = Port-channel Ag-Inuse >> Protocol = LACP >> Port security = Disabled >> >> Ports in the Port-channel: >> >> Index Load Port EC state No of bits >> ------+------+------+------------------+----------- >> 0 00 Gi1/0/1 Active 0 >> 0 00 Gi1/0/2 Active 0 >> >> Time since last port bundled: 12d:22h:41m:17s Gi1/0/1 >> >> Group: 2 >> ---------- >> Group state = L2 >> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >> Protocol: LACP >> Minimum Links: 0 >> Ports in the group: >> ------------------- >> Port: Gi1/0/13 >> ------------ >> >> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >> Channel group = 2 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >> Port-channel = Po2 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po2 >> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >> >> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >> >> Local information: >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/13 SA bndl 32768 0x2 0x2 0x10E 0x3D >> >> Partner's information: >> >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 28s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D >> >> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:39m:21s >> >> Port: Gi1/0/14 >> ------------ >> >> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >> Channel group = 2 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >> Port-channel = Po2 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po2 >> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >> >> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >> >> Local information: >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/14 SA bndl 32768 0x2 0x2 0x10F 0x3D >> >> Partner's information: >> >> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >> Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 29s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D >> >> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:39m:21s >> >> Port-channels in the group: >> --------------------------- >> >> Port-channel: Po2 (Primary Aggregator) >> >> ------------ >> >> Age of the Port-channel = 12d:22h:39m:26s >> Logical slot/port = 10/2 Number of ports = 2 >> HotStandBy port = null >> Port state = Port-channel Ag-Inuse >> Protocol = LACP >> Port security = Disabled >> >> Ports in the Port-channel: >> >> Index Load Port EC state No of bits >> ------+------+------+------------------+----------- >> 0 00 Gi1/0/13 Active 0 >> 0 00 Gi1/0/14 Active 0 >> >> Time since last port bundled: 12d:22h:39m:22s Gi1/0/14 >> >> >> >> >> 2012/3/8 Al Plant : >>> bo wang wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank your for reply. >>>> First,I think the Link Aggregation can't support too much ports >>>> aggregation.So I change the configure, just get together two >>>> ports.Below are configuration information of c3750: >>> >>> >>> >>> ??? > Switch#show eth 1 sum Check your eth discriptor this is for Linux is >>> not for FreeBSD use ed0 or other FreeBSD >>> >>> >>> >>>> Flags: D - down P - bundled in port-channel >>>> I - stand-alone s - suspended >>>> H - Hot-standby (LACP only) >>>> R - Layer3 S - Layer2 >>>> U - in use f - failed to allocate aggregator >>>> >>>> M - not in use, minimum links not met >>>> u - unsuitable for bundling >>>> w - waiting to be aggregated >>>> d - default port >>>> >>>> >>>> Number of channel-groups in use: 2 >>>> Number of aggregators: 2 >>>> >>>> Group Port-channel Protocol Ports >>>> >>>> ------+-------------+-----------+----------------------------------------------- >>>> 1 Po1(SU) LACP Gi1/0/1(P) Gi1/0/2(P) >>>> >>>> >>>> Switch#show lacp neighbor >>>> Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs >>>> F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs >>>> A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode >>>> >>>> Channel group 1 neighbors >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port >>>> Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number >>>> State >>>> Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x3 >>>> 0x3D >>>> Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x4 >>>> 0x3D >>>> >>>> Channel group 2 neighbors >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port >>>> Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number >>>> State >>>> Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x3 >>>> 0x3D >>>> Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x4 >>>> 0x3D >>>> >>>> >>>> Switch#show lacp neighbor detail >>>> Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs >>>> F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs >>>> A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode >>>> >>>> Channel group 1 neighbors >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> >>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>> Gi1/0/1 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x3 13s SA >>>> >>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>> >>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>> >>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>> Yes Yes No No >>>> >>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>> Gi1/0/2 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x4 14s SA >>>> >>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>> >>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>> >>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>> Yes Yes No No >>>> >>>> Channel group 2 neighbors >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> >>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>> Gi1/0/13 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x3 15s SA >>>> >>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>> >>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>> >>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>> Yes Yes No No >>>> >>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>> Gi1/0/14 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x4 16s SA >>>> >>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>> >>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>> >>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>> Yes Yes No No >>>> >>>> 2012/3/7 bo wang : >>>>> >>>>> Hello: >>>>> Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the >>>>> speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD >>>>> 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. >>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html >>>>> I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can >>>>> do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the >>>>> problem?Detailed configuration as follows >>>>> >>>>> in the BSD9.0 /etc/rc.conf >>>>> hostname="bbc04" >>>>> ifconfig_bce2="up" >>>>> ifconfig_bce3="up" >>>>> ifconfig_bce4="up" >>>>> ifconfig_bce5="up" >>>>> ifconfig_bce6="up" >>>>> ifconfig_bce7="up" >>>>> cloned_interfaces="lagg0" >>>>> ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 >>>>> laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" >>>>> ipv4_addrs_lagg0="172.16.60.64/16" >>>>> defaultrouter="172.16.0.1" >>>>> sshd_enable="YES" >>>>> pureftpd_enable="YES" >>>>> # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable >>>>> dumpdev="NO" >>>>> >>>>> the Cisco 3750 configure >>>>> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 >>>>> channel-proto lacp >>>>> channel-group 1 mode active >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 >>>>> channel-proto lacp >>>>> channel-group 2 mode active >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 >>> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + >>> + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + >>> < email: noc@hdk5.net > >>> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol >>> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 09:27:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D901065674 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA018FC08 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so215032wer.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:27:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RS/NOE/5p9SK5Krsu6h2JLRIR7xQ3uvaOpMwxid7YR0=; b=QlJu0AGF4Z0sIJ/30ch9aG6IxI7fx+mKLTbvpAzic7uR6EJ81iyxrqflTLp68nplM0 XrWO8vQEgWQ0tMY0YCoA4VJYVA7KbkdmKyG4doIkjnfFEDQFW2IYL5VSu1QPdvfn6+y3 RTVeEYpwnsZa2ZaGes/ti6hzPnGUPRSprNRmDykJ6o7Ma5MHgYkcg1vr/SpTAe67ggnP pCSnBbVbHdWJK9GJIrud4kj7lYitZX2McLJJhTc56hhB+VH3Es8D8Ka+18qTMQ67msS5 yyt4RsxLliYL69Um0VHXKJX8yTdEW6Qk4sAuV+hDB9qQgdpakVnXsdyB40eYcrKf+Qat zbmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.90.212 with SMTP id by20mr11053257wib.12.1331198856640; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.55.72 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 01:27:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: Xavier FreeBSD questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pwcview(1) don't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:27:38 -0000 Hi to all, I have: > pkg_info | grep webc evolution-webcal-2.32.0_1 Webcal(endar) handler for gnome pwcview-1.4.1_4 The Video4Linux PWC webcam viewer webcamd-3.2.0.2 A port of Linux USB webcam and DVB drivers into userspace > kldstat | grep cuse 3 1 0xc12a4000 5c08 cuse4bsd.ko casa# webcamd -d ugen4.6 -i 0 -v 0 : v3.2:USB Acecad Flair tablet driver : v2.3 (May 2, 2007):Aiptek HyperPen USB Tablet Driver (Linux 2.6.x) : Bryan W. Headley/Chris Atenasio/Cedric Brun/Rene van Paassen GTCO usb driver version: 2.00.0006: v0.0.2:USB KB Gear JamStudio Tablet driver : v1.52:USB Wacom tablet driver lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 14 IR NEC protocol handler initialized IR RC5(x) protocol handler initialized IR RC6 protocol handler initialized IR JVC protocol handler initialized IR Sony protocol handler initialized IR RC5 (streamzap) protocol handler initialized IR LIRC bridge handler initialized : 2.2.1:ATI/X10 RF USB Remote Control Linux video capture interface: v2.00 em28xx driver loaded Em28xx: Initialized (Em28xx dvb Extension) extension USBVision USB Video Device Driver for Linux : 0.9.11 pvrusb2: V4L in-tree version:Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2 MPEG2 Encoder/Tuner pvrusb2: Debug mask is 31 (0x1f) cpia2: V4L-Driver for Vision CPiA2 based cameras v3.0.1 : Zoran 364xx au0828 driver loaded USB Video Class driver (1.1.1) : 0.4.7:D-Link DSB-R100 USB FM radio driver : 0.0.2: A driver for the TEA5764 radio chip for EZX Phones. b2c2-flexcop: B2C2 FlexcopII/II(b)/III digital TV receiver chip loaded successfully dib0700: loaded with support for 21 different device-types virtual DVB server adapter driver, version 1.0-hps, (c) 2011 Hans Petter Selasky Attached ugen4.6[0] to cuse unit 0 em28xx: New device @ 480 Mbps (eb1a:2820, interface 0, class 0) em28xx #0: chip ID is em2820 (or em2710) em28xx #0: board has no eeprom em28xx #0: found i2c device @ 0x4a [saa7113h] em28xx #0: Your board has no unique USB ID. em28xx #0: A hint were successfully done, based on i2c devicelist hash. em28xx #0: This method is not 100% failproof. em28xx #0: If the board were missdetected, please email this log to: em28xx #0: V4L Mailing List em28xx #0: Board detected as EM2860/SAA711X Reference Design em28xx #0: Identified as EM2860/SAA711X Reference Design (card=19) em28xx #0: Config register raw data: 0x00 em28xx #0: v4l2 driver version 0.1.3 em28xx #0: V4L2 video device registered as video0 em28xx_dvb: This device does not support the extension Creating /dev/video0 casa# chmod 666 /dev/video0 casa# And, can't play /dev/video0 : > pwcview Webcam set to: 320x240 (sif) at 5 fps libv4l2: error queuing buf 0: Invalid argument libv4l2: error queuing buf 1: Invalid argument libv4l2: error queuing buf 2: Invalid argument libv4l2: error queuing buf 3: Invalid argument libv4l2: error reading: Device busy Error reading from webcam: Device busy > Somebody can help me ? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 11:39:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AC8106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:39:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elliptic@elliptic.plus.com) Received: from avasout02.plus.net (avasout02.plus.net [212.159.14.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242A38FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pih-webmail01 ([212.159.8.87]) by avasout02 with smtp id izQx1i00F1sg6PG01zQyoR; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:24:58 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Q4RQEvKa c=1 sm=1 a=w/v6d3Yw9YqO0eqsxHCYQw==:17 a=qFRnvRBcnqcA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7PH--hQPAAAA:8 a=jQ0-rfaooJOiKiHibgYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HQ4W-lodCpcA:10 a=w/v6d3Yw9YqO0eqsxHCYQw==:117 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.plus.net) by pih-webmail01 with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S5bSr-0004cP-Bf for questions@Freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:24:57 +0000 Received: from 80.229.219.162 (SquirrelMail authenticated user elliptic) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:24:57 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:24:57 -0000 From: elliptic@elliptic.plus.com To: questions@Freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: Port installation problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:39:31 -0000 I apologise in advance if this is a stupid question. I am having problrems installing ports the ones that fail always do so with same problem: Attempting to fetch ftp://ftp.cs.cuhk.edu.hk/pub/.... Login Failure On ttyv1 I have looked to see if i can change the ftp site, i cannot ping ftp.cs.cuhk.edu.hk net unreachable but can ping it without the cs in it. Thanks Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 12:24:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783B3106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D773F8FC12 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q28COMbj055568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:24:22 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q28COMbj055568 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q28COMbj055568; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4F58A4EC.2010407@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:24:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: elliptic@elliptic.plus.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD850962A3AE200D0584B2CA8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Port installation problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:24:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD850962A3AE200D0584B2CA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/03/2012 11:24, elliptic@elliptic.plus.com wrote: > I apologise in advance if this is a stupid question. I am having > problrems installing ports the ones that fail always do so with same > problem: >=20 > Attempting to fetch ftp://ftp.cs.cuhk.edu.hk/pub/.... Login Failure = On > ttyv1 >=20 > I have looked to see if i can change the ftp site, i cannot ping > ftp.cs.cuhk.edu.hk net unreachable but can ping it without the cs in it= =2E I guess you're trying to install something to do with X.org, as ftp.cs.cuhk.edu.hk is only listed under MASTER_SITE_XORG. It seems that server may be down -- for the time being at least -- however, there are several other mirrors around the world that the ports could use instead. For most 'site down' type errors, if you just wait patiently, the ports should eventually try the next server in sequence. However, if that doesn't work, you could try adding[*] MASTER_SORT=3D .uk RANDOMIZE_MASTER_SITES=3D yes to /etc/make.conf -- this should cause the ports to try and download from a different server initially. The '.uk. MASTER_SORT probably won't help very much here, as although ftp.mirrorservice.org is on the MASTER_SITE_XORG list, as you can see, it doesn't have '.uk' in its URL. The obvious substitution to get mirrorservice.org to sort first is left as an exercise... Cheers, Matthew [*] Assuming you're in the UK, as you're using plus.com --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enigD850962A3AE200D0584B2CA8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9YpPIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwkFACcDLQksYwvyWfZM1VsvVAVn9SD sooAnRcL/ekWO7dVNDUdG3j5OQ+I3177 =GaC/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD850962A3AE200D0584B2CA8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 13:05:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40A5106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2F48FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so376810wer.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:04:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=iMApNzBYvZD3C8jrXpjbITkiEB71/awek10w6dN2vNo=; b=qtZGwRaoves7ChV4vdzQsIyWU7Hlg1/XxIOFZRjHZ42Br7/DvYzGihTsv0aXESPIv0 4S98dicHvQIECOord1/umCVGjpJJArsmh+OS7VAAqd7CDZn4okL+kGXzBLMbpMKQK24m sxcXrGSYmGYvlEo0BhZ5vyjnjcx3PtO9aDp7VZ5bjx1pE4NwwXN9n8kQ0VgmXbB9464y 3V8J9IbA08xg4/ke8HhKiWEE6pbVvj0F7qaE4d/UsjZxNQ4q2XAajTnut+u6IBspDoRA fam1TbtDOIyJWacebTddQLOinj13BS44G1RhNQxPYw7QX11z+tPh7XTgDcJbLD3MwPCg KOaQ== Received: by 10.180.86.230 with SMTP id s6mr34855027wiz.16.1331210305933; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.palm.com ([82.132.249.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf3sm43740934wib.6.2012.03.08.04.38.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:38:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4f58a840.a368b40a.7e63.0aad@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:38:21 +0000 From: "Peter Harrison" To: "David Jackson" , In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Palm webOS Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: RE: Still having trouble with package upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:05:01 -0000 Da= vid, Sorry for top posting - my 'phone makes it difficult. Do= we really have to have this debate again? You made the same points = a short while ago, and there was a long on-list debate about the strengths = and shortfalls of the existing ports and packages system. I don't se= e what value is added by having that debate again? I have certainly = been able to do binary package updates between releases in the past, so I c= an't agree that it doesn't work at all. Be that as it may, if you ca= n't or won't contribute programming time, money, or server resources to cre= ate the kind of package system you're talking about I don't see how it help= s to continually harangue the user community about your wish to make FreeBS= D work like Debian. Regards, -- Peter Harrison From:= David Jackson Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2012 16:29 To:<= /b> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Still having trouble w= ith package upgrades I still have yet to find a resolution to= the problems I have had with=0D binary packages and upgrades on FreeBSD= =2E Binary upgrading is broken with=0D every tool I have tried.=0D = =0D There is no real reason why FreeBSD should not provide a facility fo= r users=0D to be able to binary upgrade to the most recent version of al= l packages=0D with a simple upgrade command.=0D =0D One faulty arg= ument I heard was that it is often not a good idea to upgrade=0D to new = software release. The whole purpose of having a release cycle for=0D pro= grams is to provide stable, tested releases for the public to install=0D that will will work properly, and improve upon and fix problems with older= =0D releases. This is why mainline release are differentiated from betas= and=0D the CVS downloads which are experimental. So you really do want = the most=0D recent release, especially for corrections to any security p= roblem. Making=0D upgrades more difficult actually makes the system more= insecure by exposing=0D people for a long time to security problems tha= t were fixed in software but=0D making it difficult for people to upgrad= e.=0D =0D =0D As for the security issues of downloading binary pac= kages. The fact is=0D source packages are not safer than binary packages= , more on that in a bit.=0D I am astonished that people here would not r= ealise the obvious, having safe=0D binary installs is do-able from mirro= r sites, just have the package=0D management software download MD5s from= many mirror sites, compare them and=0D test the downloaded package, is = they are off, then the package will not be=0D installed the user will be= prompted to allow a notification of the problem=0D to be sent to the Fr= eeBSD administrators. The fact is, binary releases are=0D no more danger= ous than source releases, someone could just as easily insert=0D bad cod= e in a source code package on a mirror, you need automated MD5=0D checki= ng anyway, for both binary or source upgrades. So the idea that=0D sourc= e upgrades are safer is false, just dead wrong.=0D =0D As for compile= options, the solution is simple, compile in all feature=0D options and = the most commonly used settings into the binary packages, for=0D the sta= ndard i386 CPU. If people want customisations then they can build=0D the= software for themselves.=0D =0D A good software philosophy is to all= ow software to work out of the box with=0D as little configuration as po= ssible, but allow everything to be configured=0D by the user if they wan= t, by shipping software with reasonable defaults=0D which can be overrid= den by the user. Make simple things easy and=0D complicated things doabl= e. In GUI, by default, complexity can be hidden=0D from users, but if pe= ople want fine grain control, they should be free to=0D use advanced scr= eens of the GUI to get complex, fine grained control. In=0D GUI design, = more commonly used settings can be provided more upfront while=0D advanc= ed features for use by experts can be placed deeper in advanced or=0D ex= pert screens oft the GUI. Everything should be able to be configured or=0D<= br>accomplished by both GUI and CLI and API.=0D =0D A good user frien= dly model for a useable OS is to allow for binary packages=0D of the ent= ire system to be upgraded with a single upgrade command. It=0D should wo= rk out of the box without hassle. Keeping software up to date to=0D rece= nt releases is good practice, remember what I said about the purpose of=0D<= br>software releases. make it easy.=0D =0D why dont the freebsd admin= istrators just have a build machine that=0D automatically compiles the s= oftware and makes them available as the ports=0D are updated.=0D =0D<= br>The user should be able to keep their system up to date without doing a= ny=0D system wide all at once OS-release upgrades at all. There is no re= ason why=0D kernel and userland programs have to be upgraded at the same= time.=0D Especially considering its a good design practice for kernel t= o provide=0D backward compatability. Instead the system would be pieceme= al updated over=0D time, including the kernel, in a piecemeal fashion. T= he need for system=0D wide OS distribution version numbers like FreeBSD = 9.0 is becoming obsolete.=0D Versions are still very valuable for the ke= rnel, but for collections of the=0D entire system software, it has becom= e much less relevant. This was from an=0D age when people would receive= a Tape or CD in the mail and update=0D everything all at once, now soft= ware can be upgraded in a piecemeal way=0D over time with automatic upda= tes. The CD-based upgrade and all at once=0D system wide upgrades actual= ly for reasons are inferior, in that it meant=0D often months would go b= y before a software program was updated, delying the=0D application of v= ital security fixes. Before the age of the internet and the=0D hacker, t= hat may have been acceptable. Its not anymore. With Firefox and=0D Flash= for instance, security fixes are made sometimes weekly, with an=0D syst= em wide at once upgrade model, it could be a very long time between=0D u= pgrades of such software between releases of the OS software distribution= =0D CD. The idea of waiting on a FreeBSD kernel release to upgrade firef= ox is=0D absurd, and the idea that firefox must be upgraded during a ker= nel upgrade=0D is also absurd. The piecemeal model is much more convenie= nt for users,=0D providing more up to date packages and no OS release up= grade hassle.=0D =0D There really should be little reason for release= upgrades anymore these=0D days, when the different parts of the system = can be upgraded independantly=0D through a binary package management too= l, including kernel and user=0D programs.=0D =0D When a new kernel= is released, there is no reason to reinstall all of the=0D packages on = the system at the same time. Since the kernel and userland=0D packages h= ave different development cycles, there is no reason why there=0D has to= be synchronization of the upgrading.=0D =0D Some here suggested PC-B= SD, it was no better at all than FreeBSD, In fact=0D in its documentatio= n it demanded a complete system reinstall just to=0D upgrade to a new ke= rnel version. An OS that requires a user to reinstall=0D everything just= to upgrade the kernel is not user friendly. It creates more=0D trouble = and difficulty for users and ironically makes the system more user=0D un= friendly, and makes these users suffer due to the design faults of the=0Dsystem, a user having to upgrade userland packages for a kernel upgrade i= s=0D a symptom of serious design faults and deficiencies. These two part= s should=0D be able to be upgraded independently and a good system assur= es backwards=0D compatability support so older packages can run on a new= er kernel.=0D =0D For now I have totally given up on FreeBSD, all I h= ad with FreeBSD were=0D problems, big problems. The lack of smooth binar= y upgrades, and the poor=0D virtual box support made it very difficult t= o use.=0D _______________________________________________=0D freebsd-= questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l= istinfo/freebsd-questions=0D To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-q= uestions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 15:45:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C751065675 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (adsl-70-129-195-213.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net [70.129.195.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13438FC0A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q28FjARw001578 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:45:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:45:10 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Subject: Capturing Information About PANIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:45:19 -0000 I am having problems with my system panicking and crashing during Bacula backups. Is there any way short of enabling full memory dumps to log the output of the crash? After a reboot there is no information in the messages log, and dmesg generally only shows the information since the reboot started. The system is running FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE compiled from source, I had it running bacula backups for close to 2 weeks without a problem, but now it consistently crashes every night. The system is running the client directory and storage daemon, oddly enough it never crashes when backing up itself, but instead crashes when backing up one of the two remote systems. I was beginning to think that perhaps my recompile using clang was the problem, so I rebuilt the world and all ports without clang but the problem persists. I have tested my external eSATA drive on another system, and temporarily connected the drive to the internal SATA ports to rule out the eSATA controller and the backup drive as the source of the problems. This is the only drive in the system that is setup with GEOM_ELI encryption, so I can't rule out that the encryption process is causing a load that the motherboard/CPU/RAM is failing to cope with for hardware reasons. Though this system shouldn't have a problem keeping up. FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #1: Tue Mar 6 18:42:48 CST 2012 dweimer@webmail.dweimer.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VESAKERN amd64 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (2700.06-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x100f23 Family = 10 Model = 2 Stepping = 3 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee500800 AMD Features2=0x7ff TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3843878912 (3665 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: <072309 APIC1220> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 cryptosoft0: on motherboard -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 16:06:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCED106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamolpat@dmaccess.net) Received: from irpkscout4.truemail.co.th (irpkscout4.truemail.co.th [203.144.173.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600DC8FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:06:50 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPbVWE86CKP4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7hdERMBLCUYDQEBBxgDAgECAVgGAgEBiBGsUwGNe4oogyABBYMgBIhQhSOXaoJvgUoG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,552,1325437200"; d="scan'208";a="469463106" Received: from ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th (HELO [192.168.1.2]) ([58.8.163.248]) by irp4.truemail.co.th with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2012 22:56:04 +0700 Message-ID: <4F58D68D.2060700@dmaccess.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:55:57 +0700 From: kamolpat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 Cc: Subject: question about SMTP-authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:06:52 -0000 To whom it may concern: Hello, may I need your help about SMTP authentication? Problems: ========= SMTP-authen doesn't functioning, when I use ThunderBird I try to set authentication method as Kerberos/GSSAPI or Encrypted password, it doesn't work. Background: =========== I'm intermediate FreeBSD sysadmin. I used to run only normal mail service in my company, which use POP3 on myserver and SMTP from ISP. Now my ISP always get problem, so I prefer to set SMTP service on my server and provide to staffs in company. However to set pure SMTP is not safe, then I prefer to use SMTP-authenicate. Setup Reference ============== 1. I read the how to setup from FreeBSD Handbook (online)-> Chapter 29 Electronic Mail -> 29.10 SMTP Authentication from freebsd.org 2. setup for cyrus-sasl2 was fine (setup via usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2) 3. setup for openssl was 90% fine (setup via port) reference to FreeBSD Handbook (online)->Chapter 15 Security -> 15.8 OpenSSL accept the "STARTTLS" line doesn't appear as mention on the last part of article. Raw info for considers ==================== from /var/log/maillog ------------------------------- revip2.asianet.co.th is my provider , the dmaccess.co.th is my server Mar 8 22:35:35 ns1 sendmail[18640]: q28MZZ4l018640: ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 Mar 8 22:37:29 ns1 sendmail[18644]: q28MbSv3018644: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248], reject=550 5.7.1 , size=778, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=IPv4, relay=ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58. Mar 8 22:38:31 ns1 sendmail[18646]: q28McVl2018646: ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 Mar 8 22:39:55 ns1 sendmail[18650]: q28MdsOC018650: ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 Mar 8 22:40:57 ns1 sendmail[18688]: q28MevLw018688: ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 Mar 8 22:42:05 ns1 sendmail[18689]: q28Mffbd018689: ppp-58-8-163-248.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.163.248] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to IPv4 from /etc/mail/freebsd.mc -------------------------------------- dnl set SASL options TRUST_AUTH_MECH (`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl dnl SSL Options define(`confCACERT_PATH',`/etc/ssl')dnl define(`confCACERT',`/etc/ssl/dm_new.crt')dnl define(`confSERVER_CERT',`/etc/ssl/dm_new.crt')dnl define(`confSERVER_KEY',`/etc/ssl/dm_ca.key')dnl define(`confTLS_SRV_OPTIONS',`V')dnl MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) Thanks in advance Kamolpat E-mail message checked by Internet Security (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.19420 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 16:43:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A232D1065677 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremy.faulkner@nerdsonsite.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5527C8FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so652500vbm.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nerdsonsite.com; s=google; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=UnHHG20MODyDlSmksxlrQqUgA7fi4VFCXPYbIfUzJW4=; b=OiUFf+ZAEnWChoOtHQNHXHeSm8lzxwDMdOdmWtz+Jm0sieSeeHFHQXQEQM+DnigmBq VrEDYVjbcEXKqX/G5CpVqvKtKOhslB6LP4BiLcAe1ttuImmXX6qmq70nr/WPv+vT3Mxu tgZt13vi6vyAC1Fy4u9YVmunXTbSmY4DS/Vrs= Received: by 10.52.22.46 with SMTP id a14mr10970502vdf.27.1331223116937; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (CPEc0c1c08a1a9e-CM00195eca698c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.236.189.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fg5sm4447032vdc.13.2012.03.08.08.11.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:11:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Faulkner In-Reply-To: <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:11:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <07CF005F-6EBE-4BB1-9C27-74F6A1572093@gmail.com> References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlYA0K2B/Jnkw+RFg7nlsfDwvGmU6ShGWfL7DooPt92TvjRix8vcG683owpVV9XEi4TGRb4 Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:43:23 -0000 The freebsd-arm@ list is where it is being discussed and progressing, = don't think anybody has the hardware yet. On 2012-03-07, at 4:40 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 04:35:47PM -0500, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> People have not had a chance to get their hands on to even start on = it yet. >> The few boards out in public before last week were developer boards = that >> were really hard to get a hold of. Most current devel is based on = linux due >> to the binary blob. >=20 > Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. >=20 > If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to = Raspberry > Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if > someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information = for > people and projects working on this). >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 17:25:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB091065675 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidianwalker@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2278FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so433756ggn.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dgNNmGjUgBGKqmB314xrdM94sfwUoZShiTYGQZCcjB8=; b=wiyOj3/27+8Y47p6JtT80nTeuuiCfjG3Nj+maA8xqKb1Bw6F1gG3T7or8hpMYdFMal E4SYccAODAvJkE7i79Sd7kCwsJsDdty3WOFMf9zGrZsqyMQwsigEx8GqB11R55PK+ydt oy37h+AZe+/pX0RmTobyWceG758qkTldty7G7WUutRcuOKV0xaEYfINEF9hZmp5k0myV KeS0DLPgr6coCrbh/MsLaDqRn6tgwEDBaBf7vn9ax7gGHokseMTEixZsvtKIfVd4LibZ 1DYKeHYvpPxgMlbD9PC11aavHeP5qcwqM6OEhvt1gM1RxoOXcZ/h7+3uCFcfcBembclm q2CA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.57.129 with SMTP id i1mr7993075igq.33.1331227525805; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.96.6 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:55:25 +1030 Message-ID: From: David Walker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mouse disconnecting and reconnecting ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:25:26 -0000 Hey. I've recently installed 9.0 amd64 and X11 and Gnome. Here is my rc.conf mouse stuff: moused_nondefault_enable="NO" Originally I'd bump the mouse and see it "doing stuff" on the console and although it's a common mouse (a few weeks old) apparently it's regarded as a "non-default" mouse. I notice on the console (ttyv0) the following message repeated over and over (say once a minute or so): ugen4.2: at usbus4 (disconnected) ums0: at uhub4, port 2, addr 2 (disconnected) ugen4.2: at usbus4 ums0: on usbus4 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 I don't use mouse on the console so no problem. Anyway, when I use Gnome, if I hover over something that can be clicked or selected ... it will be clicked or selected without me presing the left mouse button - this happens consistently and takes a few seconds. I'm not sure if those two things are connected (the message on the console and the automatic mouse in Gnome) but I'm interested in finding out. dmesg follows. Best wishes. Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor (3013.68-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x100f62 Family = 10 Model = 6 Stepping = 2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee500800 AMD Features2=0x37ff TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 4075315200 (3886 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, cfce0000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pcib0: Length mismatch for 3 range: 2ed00000 vs 2ee10000 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0xef00-0xef7f mem 0xfb000000-0xfbffffff,0xd0000000-0xd7ffffff,0xde000000-0xdfffffff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io hdac0: mem 0xfcffc000-0xfcffffff irq 19 at device 0.1 on pci1 pcib2: irq 18 at device 10.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 re0: port 0xde00-0xdeff mem 0xfdfff000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci2 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: Chip rev. 0x3c000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00400000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Ethernet address: 6c:f0:49:71:50:6b ahci0: port 0xff00-0xff07,0xfe00-0xfe03,0xfd00-0xfd07,0xfc00-0xfc03,0xfb00-0xfb0f mem 0xfe02f000-0xfe02f3ff irq 22 at device 17.0 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.10 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 ohci0: mem 0xfe02e000-0xfe02efff irq 16 at device 18.0 on pci0 usbus0: on ohci0 ohci1: mem 0xfe02d000-0xfe02dfff irq 16 at device 18.1 on pci0 usbus1: on ohci1 ehci0: mem 0xfe02c000-0xfe02c0ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 usbus2: on ehci0 ohci2: mem 0xfe02b000-0xfe02bfff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 usbus3: on ohci2 ohci3: mem 0xfe02a000-0xfe02afff irq 18 at device 19.1 on pci0 usbus4: on ohci3 ehci1: mem 0xfe029000-0xfe0290ff irq 19 at device 19.2 on pci0 usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 usbus5: on ehci1 pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfa00-0xfa0f at device 20.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 hdac1: mem 0xfe024000-0xfe027fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib3: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 fwohci0: mem 0xfdeff000-0xfdeff7ff,0xfdef8000-0xfdefbfff irq 22 at device 14.0 on pci3 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 00:35:48:3c:00:6c:f0:49 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 3 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:35:48:6c:f0:49 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:35:48:6c:f0:49 fwip0: on firewire0 fwip0: Firewire address: 00:35:48:3c:00:6c:f0:49 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048 dcons_crom0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x3a3c000 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: BUS reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: node_id=0x00000000, SelfID Count=1, CYCLEMASTER mode ohci4: mem 0xfe028000-0xfe028fff irq 18 at device 20.5 on pci0 usbus6: on ohci4 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x73 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 hdac0: HDA Codec #0: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #1: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #2: NVidia (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec #3: NVidia (Unknown) pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm2: at cad 2 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm3: at cad 3 nid 1 on hdac0 hdac1: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC888 pcm4: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm5: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm6: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus6: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub6: on usbus6 uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered uhub3: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered uhub4: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-9 SATA 3.x device ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 61057MB (125045424 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 11772205 Hz quality 800 cd0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: cd present [313373 x 2048 byte records] uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered uhub5: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered ugen4.2: at usbus4 ums0: on usbus4 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]... ugen4.3: at usbus4 ukbd0: on usbus4 kbd2 at ukbd0 uhid0: on usbus4 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 17:34:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC6410656D2 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B068FC1C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q28HYA8x060426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:34:12 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q28HYA8x060426 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q28HYA8x060426; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4F58ED8A.7050602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:34:02 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kamolpat References: <4F58D68D.2060700@dmaccess.net> In-Reply-To: <4F58D68D.2060700@dmaccess.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7F3F0FF1A75AB9314EA56679" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: question about SMTP-authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:34:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7F3F0FF1A75AB9314EA56679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/03/2012 15:55, kamolpat wrote: > Setup Reference > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 1. I read the how to setup from FreeBSD Handbook (online)-> Chapter 29= > Electronic Mail -> 29.10 SMTP Authentication from freebsd.org > 2. setup for cyrus-sasl2 was fine (setup via > usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2) > 3. setup for openssl was 90% fine (setup via port) reference to FreeBSD= > Handbook (online)->Chapter 15 Security -> 15.8 OpenSSL > accept the "STARTTLS" line doesn't appear as mention on the last > part of article. >=20 Did you rebuild sendmail with the right flags so that it would enable all the SASL bits? Apart from that you seem to have done all the right stuff that I can see. You need to add this to /etc/make.conf: SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=3D-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=3D2 SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=3D-L/usr/local/lib SENDMAIL_LDADD=3D-lsasl2 and then rebuild sendmail -- assuming you have system sources installed: # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail # make clean # make # make install If you haven't got the system sources installed, then you can get them easily enough with csup(1) or freebsd-update(8) or several other ways. Or you could just install sendmail from ports -- obviously, make sure to choose the option to enable SASL in the config dialogue. If you use the ports sendmail, so long as you set up mailer.conf(5) to point to the ports version -- like so: lucid-nonsense:/etc/mail:% cat mailer.conf # $FreeBSD: stable/8/etc/mail/mailer.conf 93858 2002-04-05 04:25:14Z gshapiro $ # # Execute the "real" sendmail program, named /usr/local/sbin/sendmail # sendmail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail send-mail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail mailq /usr/local/sbin/sendmail newaliases /usr/local/sbin/sendmail hoststat /usr/local/sbin/sendmail purgestat /usr/local/sbin/sendmail and put the following in /etc/make.conf so it uses the latest configuration file bits: SENDMAIL_CF_DIR=3D /usr/local/share/sendmail/cf MAKEMAP=3D /usr/local/sbin/makemap then the ports sendmail is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the system one, and you can use all the config bits in /etc/mail in exactly the same way as normal. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig7F3F0FF1A75AB9314EA56679 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y7ZEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzWaACeJgcUIEWcSA3UmsGSUOhe6AE9 qLUAnj7dAT62+RBcPi1/9cficeFB91UO =qrOe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7F3F0FF1A75AB9314EA56679-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 17:51:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF31106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3BC8FC1C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBF176.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.241.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q28HpF0d042746; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:51:16 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q28HpQlu029661; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:51:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q28HpEJ2054780; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:51:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201203081751.q28HpEJ2054780@fire.js.berklix.net> To: kamolpat From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:55:57 +0700." <4F58D68D.2060700@dmaccess.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:51:14 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question about SMTP-authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:51:33 -0000 kamolpat wrote: > To whom it may concern: I hope you get a more useful reply than mine later, & no time here, sorry but I've had SASL-1 running fine for years FreeBSD both ends. Documented here, http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/sasl.html There's various URLs there to SASL-2 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 18:46:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58154106566B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 189C88FC08 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10167 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2012 18:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2012 18:46:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=yVXPNYyEgYqbtVWe8wfKUzhrvUrxgBjeHNgfYHiaz+s=; b=J5IJKcK5XC7iC7eudToE42vHsgJN4gmxFCIOlBhnS3TMABjyENZxnbvR/b/isgrPtdXrBC1o1MtiCTOGjE8Xow5we1fFle+/olO6Yh/oi+vGD3KPBTMdqV00RrtG4tnG; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5iM9-0003Ni-9z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:46:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:46:28 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-Questions Message-ID: <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:46:30 -0000 On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:51:03AM +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > >If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry > >Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if > >someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for > >people and projects working on this). > > There was a discussion about it over on hackers@ last November. The > thread starts at > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-November/036742.html > > TL;DR summary: some are wildly in favour of it, others are > completely negative. I.e. the usual network response to anything :-} I'm curious about the reasoning for the negative. I'll have to go skim that thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me. > > Unless someone capable and willing to do the port managed to get one > of the first production batch, the next lot won't be available for > 7-8 weeks at the earliest. My order is currently expected to be > delivered the second week in May. That helps me get sort of a timeline in mind, I think. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 18:47:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8211065675 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F20998FC22 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22089 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=UJvFvzYQm7yiziHo7WWnSgt7WUWJEGVfLSDuLzkCKjE=; b=MJpsoc6+EcIt4MAoz7ZBOiTtdzu8PyyUSiRjwXTP/jQz5HawNDgJD6q88BaHHI1ui/UKnsfhMbwCy93rCVIPkorfJbqI8GDNlp/nyhayIXskNTZ7n2kHvqht9g7O1l5Y; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5iMk-0004Lq-1f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:47:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:47:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: 'FreeBSD Questions' Message-ID: <20120308184705.GC8035@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: 'FreeBSD Questions' References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <07CF005F-6EBE-4BB1-9C27-74F6A1572093@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <07CF005F-6EBE-4BB1-9C27-74F6A1572093@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:47:07 -0000 On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 11:11:53AM -0500, Jeremy Faulkner wrote: > The freebsd-arm@ list is where it is being discussed and progressing, > don't think anybody has the hardware yet. That's another place for me to look for discussion of it. Thanks. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 18:54:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7711065676 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F0B8FC1A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q28IsBCh085828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:54:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <4F59004E.5090401@tundraware.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:54:06 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk Organization: TundraWare Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:54:13 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: q28IsBCh085828 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tundra@tundraware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:54:28 -0000 On 03/08/2012 12:46 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:51:03AM +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> >>> If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry >>> Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if >>> someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for >>> people and projects working on this). >> >> There was a discussion about it over on hackers@ last November. The >> thread starts at >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-November/036742.html >> >> TL;DR summary: some are wildly in favour of it, others are >> completely negative. I.e. the usual network response to anything :-} > > I'm curious about the reasoning for the negative. I'll have to go skim > that thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me. > The complaints seemed to center around a lack of docs, but I don't think this is still relevant. The fact that several Linux variants are ported suggests plenty of available doc. Also, there is a detailed doc on the Broadcom chip on the RP website. Now, if we could just actuall GET the silly things it would be nice :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 22:10:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497DC106564A; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915648FC12; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so962183wgb.31 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=wLcMRBAx3EZh9jt1f/NCJqEn7RQz1d/at/OdJMgiSiY=; b=NeWrwlNHo3ySKIMIaJs24KPnRFz5cz49+6GeiquIfzeNdAWoP/RvYRNCAExjyKpEK6 BCc21qtiBncOkBZ3ZkRwhSS7PgL+w3eJpDVgod0NFV3KHXLVSk459bZoISguR+IcK94p f8ScwK+fWSPCobp8PV4VQzkeioT+T2b6yA0wuUcfjLmDvIiTz9ncBpmz+Fjs0l0ldOZ6 hk0dxJnx+7uQ49CHb+CduQdDx6Arxqc5uXDuGY+XjonNKdoBCCT5vb/KqYI7RZ0zahcs 1xLfa6CSW0unH3q6mYjgiMqLzSghuRko4U1Rf12+QpgKzS3aMFmO8Xobo8mmEXTCp0IW VJig== Received: by 10.180.95.197 with SMTP id dm5mr27935918wib.20.1331244625716; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-92-120.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.92.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ep17sm46101842wid.2.2012.03.08.14.10.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:09:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-STABLE; KDE/4.7.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1706962.rpY65CjMlH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203090010.01894.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:10:27 -0000 --nextPart1706962.rpY65CjMlH Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users). The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4,1.tbz) = fad0512004281ab610544e1daa0ab495 MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4,1.txz) = aeccf8a14f0ff29bd956c39911eb8fec [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh --nextPart1706962.rpY65CjMlH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk9ZLjkACgkQUaaFgP9pFrJlKwCfYFpM9ihrBSMKoxx7evTznSPb +lQAoIOWM1WDnHc383KRS2tC+XmbRMxe =4ncm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1706962.rpY65CjMlH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 22:03:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D505106564A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from axe_xtentor@mail.ru) Received: from fallback6.mail.ru (fallback6.mail.ru [94.100.176.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B350F8FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f57.mail.ru (f57.mail.ru [217.69.129.104]) by fallback6.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 444E07A71521 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:46:32 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Message-Id:Content-Type:Reply-To:Date:Mime-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=arWWVg+W7EJRpzLIcou5f2djelM6aaFdSaEpL8D9gQM=; b=Se+Jrkcqcji3I3fi65LWssTdtHycTBNzt/NWa+/Euk7Z/kgdao6RvXmaAjDUZEQICQA9y6sjmQlDFzMcyXNSpseAcVPL29P4Uuj9LjrpourWCmpsJgVwju5rq1cvxz0Z; Received: from mail by f57.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1S5lAH-00037h-0w for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:46:25 +0400 Received: from [77.93.36.82] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:46:24 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?QXhlIERlcmJ5?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [77.93.36.82] Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:46:24 +0400 X-Priority: Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:26:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Symlink for release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?UTF-8?B?QXhlIERlcmJ5?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:03:01 -0000 R29vZGF5LiBJcyBzeW1saW5rICJmdHA6Ly9mdHAuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvcHViL0ZyZWVCU0QvcmVs ZWFzZXMvcG93ZXJwYy9wb3dlcnBjLzkuMC1SRUxFQVNFLyIgY29ycmVjdCA/IFRoZSAic3lzaW5z dGFsbCIgY2FuJ3QgZmluZCA5LjAtUkVMRUFTRS4K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 8 22:56:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D951065670 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59858FC16 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBE55C2B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:10:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA3C15C22 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:10:25 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F593800.2090001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:51:44 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Capturing Information About PANIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:56:57 -0000 On 03/09/12 01:45, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > I am having problems with my system panicking and crashing during > Bacula backups. Is there any way short of enabling full memory dumps > to log the output of the crash? After a reboot there is no > information in the messages log, and dmesg generally only shows the > information since the reboot started. You can enable all.log in syslog.conf (follow the instructions there); this will provide verbose logging of everything at all levels. And you can enable dumpdev in rc.conf. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 00:08:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549441065670 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96328FC14 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so1055650wgb.31 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:08:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K+p4s/hXZ2zqQbJBJ4c8OwGqfaGq31d/VRn4hySWJQU=; b=qgB+P2T0D0PjAnx+C0wtiFR+oe1c8Gk+qY6UdrHZHUWVE4wpRo3qX5LqyTaz0PMFIb rvGRaI5EF1oR88WHanK6xXZFTLAU7vFwQ17r0HPTyWTlk2WqYvl0oD97ujj/YcUznZee X3oJb9HbtW8X1HKoK08ZnyaoOZ0UAsT21htGz7+bJ2p+cPUyKEiMieJnZYBei+OIBdhv EhrNe8YVkZXkvZQ+CCpvvNxlJxueFaHE4BTQ2J3msZeFGqFYrcpcmXq6HjVnfqnz+a1c bqcctPU3QWS4cPiYxDxwlSlC35N3I/Q2mSVWYMul939+ms9HIsKcHhOXSIvFFNNHkos1 Au0A== Received: by 10.180.95.105 with SMTP id dj9mr423123wib.18.1331251733969; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n8sm984894wix.10.2012.03.08.16.08.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:08:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:08:48 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120309000848.0e82a736@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: libc regex word-boundary support fallen-off? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:08:55 -0000 I've noticed for some time that claws-mail and less (which I think use libc's regex(3)) don't support word boundaries in searches. I might be delusional, but I think I've used \b in the past in both of those applications in FreeBSD. According to regex(3) it's an implementation POSIX.2, so the feature needn't be supported, but at the bottom of the page it says "word-boundary matching is a bit of a kludge", so presumably it has been. Does anyone know what's going on? I switched from i386 to amd64 last year so it might be something to do with that. I'm currently using 8.2p6. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 00:10:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CD7106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BD48FC13 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120309001017.BKCU18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:10:17 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.84.176]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id jCAH1i0093oG0Ji02CAHNo; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:10:17 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4F594A69.00C4,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XApQh1NwS0kk9y5VQg1IQe/r8Q/VmA0LM7eT14yPc6s= c=1 sm=1 a=7lvZSXHooPIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=H7le-MN28uZaesFayUgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q290AGsJ008514 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:10:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:10:11 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20120308181011.0b097de1@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: realpath(3): a curiosity question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:10:23 -0000 I'm just wondering if anyone knows the rationale behind the differing return codes from realpath() for non-existent paths, depending on whether the non-existent element of a path is at the end of the path or if it occurs somewhere further up the chain. Not asking that it be changed, mind you. Just wondering why it was decided to distinguish between these two cases. From the programmer's perspective, this is something of a minor annoyance, as running a non-existent path through realpath() may or may not return NULL, and therefore still requires additional code to further validate the path returned in the non-NULL case. Granted, the stated purpose of this function is not to verify a path's existence, but nonetheless, having a function that might be called non-deterministic in the results it returns just seems, well, *bad* to me (for lack of a better word at the moment). Does anyone have any idea what the reasoning is behind this design? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 02:50:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C27106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FA98FC17 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE555C28 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:03:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5666E5C22 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:03:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:44:55 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 02:50:08 -0000 I'm reconsidering my current setup (postfix/courier) for imap and I was doing some research on performance comparisons between imap server setups. I stumbled on this article just just about fell of my chair laughing when I read the last article on future benchmarking tests to perform: research.microsoft.com/pubs/138302/lisa.pdf Considering I have close to a hundred folders or more, and an average of 50,000 emails in each (yes, not good, and I am working on archiving but it won't help _that_ much) with nearly 200,000 in just one! I got a real kick out of the comment that "no sane email user would have more than 21,000 emails in a folder" - that would make me certifiable :D Oh, and that most email wouldn't be more than a GB or so... mine's edging 6GB already... So, all jokes aside, I contemplated that I would make an ideal test case to the extreme for benchmarking imap servers. Anyone have any suggestions on what to test/how? Anyone have some tools they have created for a similar challenge? I have my own ideas, but if anyone wants me to try something I'd be willing to give it a shot. If anyone has a better idea on which list this should be posted to as well - I considered the lists available (I'm hooked up to most) and couldn't see any better. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 03:09:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE2F106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416978FC17 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.11] (unknown [109.190.13.180]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 486383DD081 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:08:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F59742A.4090104@dichotomia.fr> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:08:26 +0100 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:08:32 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:09:16 -0000 On 09/03/2012 03:44, Da Rock wrote: > I'm reconsidering my current setup (postfix/courier) for imap and I > was doing some research on performance comparisons between imap server > setups. I stumbled on this article just just about fell of my chair > laughing when I read the last article on future benchmarking tests to > perform: > > research.microsoft.com/pubs/138302/lisa.pdf > > Considering I have close to a hundred folders or more, and an average > of 50,000 emails in each (yes, not good, and I am working on archiving > but it won't help _that_ much) with nearly 200,000 in just one! I got > a real kick out of the comment that "no sane email user would have > more than 21,000 emails in a folder" - that would make me certifiable > :D Oh, and that most email wouldn't be more than a GB or so... mine's > edging 6GB already... > > So, all jokes aside, I contemplated that I would make an ideal test > case to the extreme for benchmarking imap servers. Anyone have any > suggestions on what to test/how? Anyone have some tools they have > created for a similar challenge? I have my own ideas, but if anyone > wants me to try something I'd be willing to give it a shot. > > If anyone has a better idea on which list this should be posted to as > well - I considered the lists available (I'm hooked up to most) and > couldn't see any better. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" No IMAP test is as vicious or as thorough as a real life company deciding to change its mail client from one day to the next and counting on IMAP to automagically restore local archives. If the company more or less uses IMAP folder as a share drives it is even better. It happened to me once. Postfix/Dovecot did handle the change quite well, yet some mailboxes took days before the local copy was in sync with IMAP folders. There was about 200GB of mail to download (35 users company) the load average was under 0.25 all the time on an i5 dual core with 8GB of ram. Duplicating a mailbox X times and having X clients doing a local copy of the entire mailbox sounds like a good first test, with mailbox size and number X on par with what you expect to find on your network. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 03:15:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAF01065674 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F96C8FC08 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3V3tyS29rXz19j for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:15:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:14:22 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:15:50 -0000 --As of March 9, 2012 12:44:55 PM +1000, Da Rock is alleged to have said: > I'm reconsidering my current setup (postfix/courier) for imap and I was > doing some research on performance comparisons between imap server > setups. I stumbled on this article just just about fell of my chair > laughing when I read the last article on future benchmarking tests to > perform: > > research.microsoft.com/pubs/138302/lisa.pdf > > Considering I have close to a hundred folders or more, and an average of > 50,000 emails in each (yes, not good, and I am working on archiving but > it won't help _that_ much) with nearly 200,000 in just one! I got a real > kick out of the comment that "no sane email user would have more than > 21,000 emails in a folder" - that would make me certifiable :D Oh, and > that most email wouldn't be more than a GB or so... mine's edging 6GB > already... > > So, all jokes aside, I contemplated that I would make an ideal test case > to the extreme for benchmarking imap servers. Anyone have any suggestions > on what to test/how? Anyone have some tools they have created for a > similar challenge? I have my own ideas, but if anyone wants me to try > something I'd be willing to give it a shot. --As for the rest, it is mine. No idea, but as someone who recently had to trim one of his mail folders (same setup) as it was having trouble with over 210,000 messages, I'd be interested in your results. ;) Daniel T. STaal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 04:33:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE1F106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CD18FC0A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17so2466536pbc.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=t+PvvVReiSjFkF8xXa9Ar5YQkGl8KwVrnnEOOhU4iCc=; b=ylwHnfRCc0icTWkEWzlwjVbjrdvYhDHuK48jOqphtGKJmFFaH/i/HqGGLUhFTlYw+i Vmub9qWKmwETaXpEc608z0XwWFbWxpSJocPpO2dLhRQ2bY5xH7IQ6abPB0ob7JewelWO eRBWVM4u/+hXyAhD+j39jD4QXSxR3khVrazWjzBuCTIFI5/NKzqytUnAEI2ms1Ti+vUd LPZFePp2gnRzRaDglsKbIxZk4gQwzbumQs6w2bue7ztip40YzambIkAuDXZO+F8YAlcj op0gC7GAn/I5wOmLRa9IdczSLuUvwdzvlB0diCeSCftgPHQC2LFmr5gDsu86dSy+9y4n GY0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.195.3 with SMTP id ia3mr2336198pbc.20.1331267617708; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.116.2 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:33:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: David Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mouse disconnecting and reconnecting ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:33:38 -0000 On 8 March 2012 12:25, David Walker wrote: > Hey. > > I've recently installed 9.0 amd64 and X11 and Gnome. > > Here is my rc.conf mouse stuff: > > moused_nondefault_enable="NO" > > Originally I'd bump the mouse and see it "doing stuff" on the console > and although it's a common mouse (a few weeks old) apparently it's > regarded as a "non-default" mouse. > > I notice on the console (ttyv0) the following message repeated over > and over (say once a minute or so): > > ugen4.2: at usbus4 (disconnected) > ums0: at uhub4, port 2, addr 2 (disconnected) > ugen4.2: at usbus4 > ums0: 1.10/1.04, addr 2> on usbus4 > ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Had an old Micro Soft USB mouse that would simply cease working after an indeterminate amount of time (15 seconds to 40 minutes). Unplugging & re-plugging made it come back. Eventually I mashed it with a hammer, which made me feel immensely better. Also recently bought a wireless USB mouse that worked exactly once. I don't know about anyone else's experience, but USB mouses seem to be pretty hit&miss. I blame george w. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 04:41:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BCD106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor2.peak.org (redcondor2.peak.org [69.59.192.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917EE8FC18 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by redcondor2.peak.org ({6c724cae-de34-4c5f-b615-3072b86419fa}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120309044137864 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:41:37 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from birch.localnet (unknown [207.55.106.132]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6573748984B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.localnet (oak.localnet [192.168.193.34]) by birch.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA24D55B5D for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62101C492 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q294fZ5W065927; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120309000848.0e82a736@gumby.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:41:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20120309000848.0e82a736@gumby.homeunix.com> (RW's message of "Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:08:48 +0000") Message-ID: <87wr6u9yio.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: libc regex word-boundary support fallen-off? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:41:38 -0000 RW writes: > I've noticed for some time that claws-mail and less (which I think use > libc's regex(3)) don't support word boundaries in searches. I might be > delusional, but I think I've used \b in the past in both of those > applications in FreeBSD. > > According to regex(3) it's an implementation POSIX.2, so the feature > needn't be supported, but at the bottom of the page it says > "word-boundary matching is a bit of a kludge", so presumably it has > been. > > Does anyone know what's going on? > > > I switched from i386 to amd64 last year so it might be something to do > with that. I'm currently using 8.2p6. The only way I have found to do it is [[:<:]] and [[:>:]]. That is very awkward, so I't love to hear of a shorter way. I found them in the re_format(7) manpage. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 05:08:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E99106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruno_comerci@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F998FC13 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY171-W64 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:56:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [186.52.156.172] From: Bruno Comerci To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:56:25 -0300 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2012 04:56:25.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB31AD30:01CCFDB0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:08:30 -0000 Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power=2C why wont you join to the Reac= tOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users arou= nd the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Wi= ndows=2C if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the React= OS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted=2C but Rea= ctOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely=2C Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Li= nux and any other Unix-based OS. = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 05:12:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6742106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3058FC0C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dald2 with SMTP id d2so1265790dal.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:12:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0QO+i6RsHyjJ6dmzxkULbOig6pBgIaQ+0DxGwD4Pjf4=; b=Ma/Nd0EYYJ50UaeAX+oxY8G3HK3pyzMoWCe2HimLhpSnyE9FUeNNOqk3nAhaM5Uacw prCY48SKUO1svb+P18+Mo26Xcq+7108BFv6w4Rn5Wy29A8/Zimsm9kG5V45NqFcbGAmM 7hpDmGZkVHfdgcMaasEm3KLLbXK69Xuz6djLe06cfJnlfjE3COqLeShyXEkRdJQWIk2A A5TOSQbTLqGHhHeDJ1E76ydN+wBFJwjBkxfafv1kmw7sdy63ew8/9tieiVZepgdsWzFt q2K5GUrswGvMUHeVWD1687u5SUTKctFmzgKpcPN9aCTA3ftzO1tRVIJz8PJUYfZe3Hjg nP8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.203.74 with SMTP id ko10mr2345436pbc.125.1331269968948; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.116.2 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:12:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Bruno Comerci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:12:49 -0000 On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the Reac= tOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users ar= ound the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than = Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the React= OS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but Rea= ctOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust = Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 07:20:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C94106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hexingb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACFE8FC13 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17so2575651pbc.13 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:20:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IWDtBUZQQcJ4jCbSqeDppwExG/i//446TD+e3BH/CKQ=; b=PYkHHudne6FN7CJjgos4ZtQH1m3te8ksFQLStxSUCoBHqTWsqHZu1+jPs9d6Bzre9B bspX5Z8pt0371kmO0ym1VpUHiNJ+LoAF8eFabwjyBUyAc8XFSMmSzxKbWsMjXE+IqPms owV2StIG7IY1s0bf6mMr/KuRGf+dHTEZxNL6m97RroKmotQWUrvnewI1075QzME9gPON UPFRSJoQCdH2OoHFkZjjgozLDFJK7FRZjnwl0ehk4xBblwRsqvt0R2Uq8UG4dxQpLnDA RP+0q+UC1T9Ifqhcs3y2yhxrQo3t3gIHzlkpd8c+o9NBK11b7ye6kmDnT8N9emhXT+fZ e/eg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.130.72 with SMTP id oc8mr2526678pbb.115.1331276179270; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.79.15 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:56:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:56:19 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hexing B To: "illoai@gmail.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bruno Comerci Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 07:20:58 -0000 Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? I trust FreeBSD by now, though ReactOS is worth researching. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > > > Hi guys. > > > > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? > > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users > around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions > than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the > ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > > I agree. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:08:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 07:24:57 -0000 888 .d88888b. 888 888 d88P" "Y88b888 888 888 888888 888 888 888888 888 888 888888 888 888 888888 888 Y88b. .d88P888 88888888 "Y88888P" 88888888 888 888 888 .d8888b. 88888888888888888b. 888 888 888d88P Y88b888 888 Y88b 888 888 888Y88b. 888 888 888 888 888 888 "Y888b. 8888888 888 d88P 888 888 888 "Y88b.888 8888888P" 888 888 888 "888888 888 T88b 888 Y88b. .d88PY88b d88P888 888 T88b 88888888 "Y88888P" "Y8888P" 8888888888888 T88b From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 08:15:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1D7106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wowopla@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7608FC0A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so1418694vbm.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:15:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FTrvwyk8zo2mlu6HewDruDzVf8NRjAUP5lVHJG2f/eQ=; b=x99e3NCZyxCPdqD5nFLwjLlmtIb72lh/d80WRnXHZvvdRYEzeSiima+NQHTUEYkmrW uNGdFSm6qwrtVZeL3owMzc90zAF4UTi2FrYwSaHMeqPdlz5ep99obGy5SdQwxtaoa5ug LdgdCqIJ5poudvkazeOrHWnLO/UO8HAdTOgRoja4dl1Xvytetjb9rbbzu1tXf1zjfTyW 8IHzmaGnEw5UEk2lH6rzQpcIIRqc+LeJC/YmXAt6h01Q9xEQeJ706vW7vxkwr0z1QqaW sE79wZZ/4ZzKwmJ62X1mJwbOtB4sKP0yAHUURf6iMJnuZXRz3g3n0wQRlIi1jhqk0YHq 8jJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.65 with SMTP id j1mr1891305vdg.113.1331280926748; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.164.101 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:15:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:15:26 +0800 Message-ID: From: bo wang To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: about the top speed of Link Aggregation and A STRANGE PROBLEM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:15:27 -0000 Hi =A3=BA I use a dell server making Link Aggregation with 6 ports and make it be a FTP server. When I use 2 pc connect the server at the same time. The top speed of the server can be 200MB/S. And in the transmission I cut off one of working ports,the discard connetion will be use another working port , it can't use a free port. So the top speed is down to 100MB/s. And I use 2 pc connect again, It stil use the last port. So I cut it off. Something happens,it will use 2 free ports.And the top speed is up to 200MB/s. What is the matter? And I use 3 pc connect,they use 3 ports. I cut one of them.It will use another working port. Now there are two working ports,3 free ports,1 cut off.When I cut another port, It will use 2 free ports.Now it turn back for using 3 ports, Why ?The LACP protocol's problem? And I have a another question. I make RAID 0 in my server , Why the top speed is 200MB/S ? and how could I do can make 2 server transport with Link Aggregation ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 08:47:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864A106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077768FC1C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65885C28 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:01:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5179A5C22 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:01:04 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F59C26F.5050404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:42:23 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:47:35 -0000 On 03/09/12 14:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. What? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Get real... Sincerely Common world's citizen who doesn't trust Windows as far they could throw it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 09:08:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193781065673 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9500E8FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekd17 with SMTP id d17so404021eek.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:08:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=RoWYWWvNwCNsrrLDZiqEoLTNe4HTUPikRiXQEOewTG0=; b=SOehHEaZbGSEkrYlPOnhsEsjqOucFKF65+3tW18X08x6ui/5D8DIIx7GXV7bmJk86F ajIM2QJ8igfaqwwrs4EuU6b50RER8PR9GfI/YGZZ/rS4b6RRCaJkPsNIE0h+NPJjKY2A i1gaztn/W7SHYP2KJBT4K+4+umizGzI6SNYBG0bhurkL+saaSGc6lHvoBnH74vjsuX95 7T6AqNZiT8WHex0KK/BVB4g002jRfX5/1464RXB5XsGxVU5XUGWntdwHh5+VHxWdWlGD uMbvxmgRaIy5MP7kF23Rjsu2h0C7rl/rRu6wbe61UxDoYIcA7YYqM5VhSnMUtFCA3bf8 xZEA== Received: by 10.213.30.16 with SMTP id s16mr181519ebc.203.1331284131503; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x42sm15783153eeb.1.2012.03.09.01.08.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:08:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F59C8A0.9030405@my.gd> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:08:48 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bo wang , questions@freebsd.org References: <4F5818A4.20509@hdk5.net> <4F58752E.2010405@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNioSf4wvHKdK2IZWwNhqN2IiX3luKGv2mdRelxdWoPkReMH8EOI+kJjTFlzXN43oYbMXJ Cc: Subject: Re: Fwd: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:08:53 -0000 Well that's exactly what I'm trying to show you. Link aggregation will *NOT* allow you to get 200mbs between 2 servers by sending data over the 2 cables. As per the example I pasted below, link aggregation uses a load balancing algorithm to share the traffic across several links. It will *NOT* use *BOTH* links for a single "source ip - destination ip" pair. On 3/9/12 2:15 AM, bo wang wrote: > Hi. Maybe you can't understand me. I mean that how can I do Link > Aggregation for increasing the top speed between two server and a > switch. > 2012/3/8 Damien Fleuriot : >> From your switch, run the following tests: >> >> >> core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel >> 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 >> Would select Gi1/1/1 of Po2 >> >> core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel >> 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.9 >> Would select Gi2/1/1 of Po2 >> >> core1.drt.hi-media#test etherchannel load-balance interface port-channel >> 2 ip 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.10 >> Would select Gi2/1/1 of Po2 >> >> >> >> Of course, you'll want to adjust with your own servers and PC IP addresses. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/8/12 9:33 AM, bo wang wrote: >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: bo wang >>> Date: 2012/3/8 >>> Subject: Re: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover >>> To: noc@hdk5.net >>> >>> >>> Hello: >>> Please see the picture 1 that is my test before.Doing 2 group in >>> c3750.When I use PC and server2 to connect server1 fpt server for >>> download. I find the server1 just use 1 port of lagg, other ports >>> don't work. >>> Then I change my test , picture2 is showed. I do only 1 group in >>> c3750 for server1. And do the same test.I find that there are two >>> ports of lagg work.The lagg0 top speed can be 140MB/s (server2 speed >>> is 100MB/S, PC speed is 40MB/s) It can increase top speed. >>> So what can I do for doinig two group in a switch? >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/3/8 bo wang : >>>> Sorry,I can't understand what your meaning. >>>> >>>> Switch#show etherchannel >>>> Channel-group listing: >>>> ---------------------- >>>> >>>> Group: 1 >>>> ---------- >>>> Group state = L2 >>>> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >>>> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >>>> Protocol: LACP >>>> Minimum Links: 0 >>>> >>>> Group: 2 >>>> ---------- >>>> Group state = L2 >>>> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >>>> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >>>> Protocol: LACP >>>> Minimum Links: 0 >>>> >>>> >>>> Switch#show etherchannel detail >>>> Channel-group listing: >>>> ---------------------- >>>> >>>> Group: 1 >>>> ---------- >>>> Group state = L2 >>>> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >>>> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >>>> Protocol: LACP >>>> Minimum Links: 0 >>>> Ports in the group: >>>> ------------------- >>>> Port: Gi1/0/1 >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >>>> Channel group = 1 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >>>> Port-channel = Po1 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po1 >>>> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >>>> >>>> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >>>> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >>>> >>>> Local information: >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/1 SA bndl 32768 0x1 0x1 0x102 0x3D >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 24s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D >>>> >>>> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:41m:09s >>>> >>>> Port: Gi1/0/2 >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >>>> Channel group = 1 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >>>> Port-channel = Po1 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po1 >>>> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >>>> >>>> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >>>> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >>>> >>>> Local information: >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/2 SA bndl 32768 0x1 0x1 0x103 0x3D >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 26s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D >>>> >>>> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:41m:15s >>>> >>>> Port-channels in the group: >>>> --------------------------- >>>> >>>> Port-channel: Po1 (Primary Aggregator) >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Age of the Port-channel = 12d:22h:41m:21s >>>> Logical slot/port = 10/1 Number of ports = 2 >>>> HotStandBy port = null >>>> Port state = Port-channel Ag-Inuse >>>> Protocol = LACP >>>> Port security = Disabled >>>> >>>> Ports in the Port-channel: >>>> >>>> Index Load Port EC state No of bits >>>> ------+------+------+------------------+----------- >>>> 0 00 Gi1/0/1 Active 0 >>>> 0 00 Gi1/0/2 Active 0 >>>> >>>> Time since last port bundled: 12d:22h:41m:17s Gi1/0/1 >>>> >>>> Group: 2 >>>> ---------- >>>> Group state = L2 >>>> Ports: 2 Maxports = 16 >>>> Port-channels: 1 Max Port-channels = 16 >>>> Protocol: LACP >>>> Minimum Links: 0 >>>> Ports in the group: >>>> ------------------- >>>> Port: Gi1/0/13 >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >>>> Channel group = 2 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >>>> Port-channel = Po2 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po2 >>>> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >>>> >>>> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >>>> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >>>> >>>> Local information: >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/13 SA bndl 32768 0x2 0x2 0x10E 0x3D >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 28s 0x0 0x250 0x3 0x3D >>>> >>>> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:39m:21s >>>> >>>> Port: Gi1/0/14 >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Port state = Up Mstr Assoc In-Bndl >>>> Channel group = 2 Mode = Active Gcchange = - >>>> Port-channel = Po2 GC = - Pseudo port-channel = Po2 >>>> Port index = 0 Load = 0x00 Protocol = LACP >>>> >>>> Flags: S - Device is sending Slow LACPDUs F - Device is sending fast LACPDUs. >>>> A - Device is in active mode. P - Device is in passive mode. >>>> >>>> Local information: >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags State Priority Key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/14 SA bndl 32768 0x2 0x2 0x10F 0x3D >>>> >>>> Partner's information: >>>> >>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port Port >>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number State >>>> Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 29s 0x0 0x250 0x4 0x3D >>>> >>>> Age of the port in the current state: 12d:22h:39m:21s >>>> >>>> Port-channels in the group: >>>> --------------------------- >>>> >>>> Port-channel: Po2 (Primary Aggregator) >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Age of the Port-channel = 12d:22h:39m:26s >>>> Logical slot/port = 10/2 Number of ports = 2 >>>> HotStandBy port = null >>>> Port state = Port-channel Ag-Inuse >>>> Protocol = LACP >>>> Port security = Disabled >>>> >>>> Ports in the Port-channel: >>>> >>>> Index Load Port EC state No of bits >>>> ------+------+------+------------------+----------- >>>> 0 00 Gi1/0/13 Active 0 >>>> 0 00 Gi1/0/14 Active 0 >>>> >>>> Time since last port bundled: 12d:22h:39m:22s Gi1/0/14 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/3/8 Al Plant : >>>>> bo wang wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank your for reply. >>>>>> First,I think the Link Aggregation can't support too much ports >>>>>> aggregation.So I change the configure, just get together two >>>>>> ports.Below are configuration information of c3750: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ??? > Switch#show eth 1 sum Check your eth discriptor this is for Linux is >>>>> not for FreeBSD use ed0 or other FreeBSD >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Flags: D - down P - bundled in port-channel >>>>>> I - stand-alone s - suspended >>>>>> H - Hot-standby (LACP only) >>>>>> R - Layer3 S - Layer2 >>>>>> U - in use f - failed to allocate aggregator >>>>>> >>>>>> M - not in use, minimum links not met >>>>>> u - unsuitable for bundling >>>>>> w - waiting to be aggregated >>>>>> d - default port >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Number of channel-groups in use: 2 >>>>>> Number of aggregators: 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Group Port-channel Protocol Ports >>>>>> >>>>>> ------+-------------+-----------+----------------------------------------------- >>>>>> 1 Po1(SU) LACP Gi1/0/1(P) Gi1/0/2(P) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Switch#show lacp neighbor >>>>>> Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs >>>>>> F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs >>>>>> A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode >>>>>> >>>>>> Channel group 1 neighbors >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner's information: >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port >>>>>> Port >>>>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number >>>>>> State >>>>>> Gi1/0/1 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x3 >>>>>> 0x3D >>>>>> Gi1/0/2 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af20 4s 0x0 0x250 0x4 >>>>>> 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> Channel group 2 neighbors >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner's information: >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP port Admin Oper Port >>>>>> Port >>>>>> Port Flags Priority Dev ID Age key Key Number >>>>>> State >>>>>> Gi1/0/13 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x3 >>>>>> 0x3D >>>>>> Gi1/0/14 SA 32768 0010.18c0.af7c 1s 0x0 0x250 0x4 >>>>>> 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Switch#show lacp neighbor detail >>>>>> Flags: S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs >>>>>> F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs >>>>>> A - Device is in Active mode P - Device is in Passive mode >>>>>> >>>>>> Channel group 1 neighbors >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner's information: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>>>> Gi1/0/1 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x3 13s SA >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>>>> Yes Yes No No >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>>>> Gi1/0/2 32768,0010.18c0.af20 0x4 14s SA >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>>>> Yes Yes No No >>>>>> >>>>>> Channel group 2 neighbors >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner's information: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>>>> Gi1/0/13 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x3 15s SA >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>>>> Yes Yes No No >>>>>> >>>>>> Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port System ID Port Number Age Flags >>>>>> Gi1/0/14 32768,0010.18c0.af7c 0x4 16s SA >>>>>> >>>>>> LACP Partner Partner Partner >>>>>> Port Priority Oper Key Port State >>>>>> 32768 0x250 0x3D >>>>>> >>>>>> Port State Flags Decode: >>>>>> Activity: Timeout: Aggregation: Synchronization: >>>>>> Active Long Yes Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Collecting: Distributing: Defaulted: Expired: >>>>>> Yes Yes No No >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/3/7 bo wang : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello: >>>>>>> Recently I want to do Link Aggregation for increasing the >>>>>>> speed. I use a Cisco 3750 Switche and two IBM Server R with BSD >>>>>>> 9.0 .I do link aggregation According to this page. >>>>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html >>>>>>> I use LACP .But when i have done ,the link aggregation only can >>>>>>> do Failover .It cann't increase the speed. What is the >>>>>>> problem?Detailed configuration as follows >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in the BSD9.0 /etc/rc.conf >>>>>>> hostname="bbc04" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce2="up" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce3="up" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce4="up" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce5="up" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce6="up" >>>>>>> ifconfig_bce7="up" >>>>>>> cloned_interfaces="lagg0" >>>>>>> ifconfig_lagg0="laggproto loadbalance laggport bce2 laggport bce3 >>>>>>> laggport bce4 laggport bce5 laggport bce6 laggport bce7" >>>>>>> ipv4_addrs_lagg0="172.16.60.64/16" >>>>>>> defaultrouter="172.16.0.1" >>>>>>> sshd_enable="YES" >>>>>>> pureftpd_enable="YES" >>>>>>> # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable >>>>>>> dumpdev="NO" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the Cisco 3750 configure >>>>>>> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/1-6 >>>>>>> channel-proto lacp >>>>>>> channel-group 1 mode active >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/13-18 >>>>>>> channel-proto lacp >>>>>>> channel-group 2 mode active >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 >>>>> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + >>>>> + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + >>>>> < email: noc@hdk5.net > >>>>> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol >>>>> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 09:25:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFE51065672 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77B98FC1B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EB95C28 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:39:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D76415C22 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:39:00 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F59CB54.7080707@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:20:20 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:25:32 -0000 On 03/09/12 16:56, Hexing B wrote: > Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? Wine would be illegal then. This is Wine on steroids, and then some. Poke a needle in for testing and it will pop ;) Frankly, its not as good as winblow$ and cant do pretty much anything else with it, so its hopeless. Useable for as the OP said, if you can't afford winblows and couldn't be bothered to learn something else. Others mileage may vary though. > I trust FreeBSD by now, though > ReactOS is worth researching. > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > >> On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: >>> Hi guys. >>> >>> >>> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the >> ReactOS project? >>> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users >> around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions >> than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the >> ReactOS team to accelerate their process. >>> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but >> ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust >> Linux and any other Unix-based OS. >> >> I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* >> >> -- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 09:44:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54E0106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D2D8FC15 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jMkE1i0030vyq2s57MkEbR; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([68.43.224.227]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jMkE1i00G4uzdYs3RMkEKj; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <4F59D0EE.60709@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:44:14 -0500 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:44:20 -0000 On 3/8/2012 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet > community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with > similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away > your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate > their process. > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows > and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Did I miss something? Did everyone pass out free crack today? I just looked up ReactOS to see WTF this guy was talking about, and now I'm totally confused.... Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? Wasting time... Right... You want people to give up on BSD, a great OS, and Unix in general, for WINDOWS?!?!?!?! I don't care if Microsoft released the Source Code for Windows NT, 2000, XP, and Windows Server 2003 TODAY... I still wouldn't use it. I like Unix. Actually, I like BSD and Linux, and I kinda miss BeOS, but there is no way I'm going to sit down, toss out years worth of books and DVDs I've accumulated over the years, and use some POS OS that's trying to look like Windows. I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? If you don't trust open / source code available if you want it software.... And if you're a coder who works on that POS, why not look though the sources for BSD and see it's better than most. I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's basically a GnuWindows crap hole, I stopped reading and started getting confused. I'm watching Clerks II right now, and it's the part where Jay is singing "Good Bye Horses", and what he's hiding, is exactly what I think ReactOS can suck on. I'm not leaving BSD for some stupid start menu. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 10:06:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2CA106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F7A8FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-185-71.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.185.71]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3BE1E64F; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:06:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q29A6ee4044812; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:06:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:06:40 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bruno Comerci Message-Id: <20120309110640.1018aa0b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:06:49 -0000 On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:56:25 -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you > join to the ReactOS project? Because I like to _act_, instead to just RE-act. REact to some old-fashioned and spoiled concepts and incompatible infrastructures without any future... > It would be more beneficial to the internet community [...] You _know_ that the "inner bowels" of the Internet run UNIX, _not_ "Windows", right? > [...] and > to the users around the world who wants a free OS with > similar looking and functions than Windows, [...] Just install the Redmond-inspired themes for KDE or Gnome, install wine, and I assume for 99% of imaginable cases you have a solution, if it _has_ to be some "Windows" stuff. If not, learn something new - which is the _real_ benefit than hanging around with short-term knowledge as it is common in MICROS~1 land -, and use a free alternative. Better security, more features, less money. > [...] if you just throw away your FreeBSD Throw away something that just works? Who could be that heavily distracted from reality? > [...] and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate > their process. Nothing to say against that passage, but resources in FreeBSD development are limited. They are better invested in bringing FreeBSD into its future - because it _has_ a future (unlike legacy operating systems that seem to be intended to primarily run commercial software that has been expensive when bought, but that won't run on current MICROS~1 technology). > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully > trusted, [...] OpenBSD? :-) Really: Only operating systems that are available as source code have the chance to be trusted. The more people perform audits and actually look at the source code, the better it is. > [...] but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. At least _I_ am not waiting for it (which proves your allquantified "we all" as false by one counterexample -- simple logic). I would - under no circumstances - trade a stable and powerful OS that runs a plethora of applications and utilizes modern technology for something that tries to be like "Windows", even if it's better in terms of source availability, but worse as it's repeating all the things that MICROS~1 has done wrong. > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows [...] To be honest, I would even pay money for FreeBSD if it was a commercial OS, because it really does what I need. Luckily, it can be obtained and used for free, unlike "Windows" which you can't even try out without contamining your hard disk. > [...] and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Why is that? Do you believe that imitating MICROS~1 technology is generally better? Or what is the reason? I'd be interested in learning more. For further trust, an OpenBSD psychotherapy is highly advised. ... I also run OpenBSD, so don't bash me for this comment. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 11:05:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B000106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Received: from elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:14c0::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB76E8FC0C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.248.32] ([192.168.248.32]) by elf.hq.norma.perm.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q29B5Y28054079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:05:34 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from emz@norma.perm.ru) Message-ID: <4F59E3F5.6040509@norma.perm.ru> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:05:25 +0600 From: "Eugene M. Zheganin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (elf.hq.norma.perm.ru [192.168.3.10]); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:05:34 +0500 (YEKT) X-Spam-Status: No hits=-102.9 bayes=0.0000 testhits ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on elf.hq.norma.perm.ru Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:05:37 -0000 Hi. On 09.03.2012 10:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > The only project that has even worser situation with development than ReactOS is actually OS/2 community kernel development project, known as OS/4. So why ReactOS. Who even needs EoL WinXP clone. Which is, by the way, still not production-ready. Win8 is on its way. It will bury you completely. Eugene. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 11:09:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B61106566B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2F58FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so1515489vcm.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:09:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZIWF6hlcKS+HL2NSZmpDIGj4bhZ/+3a6qH6wDKLkp8U=; b=hYJJsBPieFCpUbEXRUzNjt3l/q1QIcAzIkd/z/SWzSGz4C3KUuC2yT5L5rdJqUzNbn hdGTGzjgB8Fgk6FtYhG6dzxa0vVC1APRIl8d8m0IYYyYEHEFrX27iIjPyJH9ce7l97Z5 R4oiszNp8udsoYpSQ85iKoZRXJ1i0ty9sPyJuA+u4yrjXU2wGKbMJXXQH9RP7uw8JTNS VIH1oRhW25hRKfy6gRorcdjPIIU1WfadMlTL8BjPvNBMf96MqIE0U4SRuYuA3m9yQvy5 ZQtAhlqu/c1PK8p/mBEevi6hyd1Cl1oWaqs+CfVk51IscueAe1W66pYFhdJIqZTMOZ2C k0Pw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.93.74 with SMTP id cs10mr2696424vdb.42.1331291396119; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.133 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:09:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:09:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:09:57 -0000 Troll alert. (just let it die) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the Reac= tOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users ar= ound the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than = Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the React= OS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but Rea= ctOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust = Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 12:01:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D9F106567C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DED18FC0C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so1463497bkc.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:01:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C3S85HVRLEiORDOSa+9VN9u2pNv5tgfjqdRYJ5IKONI=; b=K4/xo+FHU//8xNvfxVRNBE7+bmbMFpSanZ/feHqv6nz3Mm1r7jP1vnjlYNkvV+iII7 M2yRQ7EBf13ozVS/PNVshnsk/V6wddngUD4jWim3j0uPSK0v8QUyg7bjqryHo8dV7YCN uf0SWLKfFj89t0Ym8bz1a183nrI68urU4CIoGrOUDf1fgWq39xBp9S121FQ4RFn8zJUD 3LxHOTr/XszHszAhENPvOR7+8AELiTAc19+4oH4I1DEbz0WE1bbjzvFAfi3McQSRtFMe bRjW47ixC0+SFxCsSHDBejp4E7r+9BGck6R5D9NfsG8e2v+6kKasBSzJmtmVfVon4uA5 73XA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.2 with SMTP id m2mr746968bkw.110.1331294518408; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.189.208 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 04:01:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Outback Dingo To: Bruno Comerci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:01:59 -0000 On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the Reac= tOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users ar= ound the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than = Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the React= OS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but Rea= ctOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > Dude...! Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard....... > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust = Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 13:20:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EB5106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595688FC0A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q29DJvQ5013130; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 06:19:59 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:19:57 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203092019.57401.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Bruno Comerci Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:20:07 -0000 Hi, On Friday 09 March 2012 11:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? hey, who clean my desk now? I was just eating when I read this crap. Best trolling ever! > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. have you ever thought, why certain function calls in Windows look the same in FreeBSD? > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. While ReactOS will come out in 20 or 30 years, BSD is around for more than 30 years. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 13:50:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992EF106566C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remailer@dizum.com) Received: from smtp.zedz.net (outpost.zedz.net [194.109.206.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E1E8FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED3F1AA40B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:50:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.zedz.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id znpMDCkLkAQ3 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 5CC821AA410; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:46:25 +0100 (CET) From: Nomen Nescio Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F59D0EE.60709@comcast.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:46:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:50:51 -0000 > Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small user space. > I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a > crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? (nobody in the room raises his hand) I'll take some of what our pal Bruno is freebasing though. There's a crackwhore I've been meaning to bang. > I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after > reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's > basically a GnuWindows crap hole, Pardon my proofreading but I think you probably should have written "crap-hole" or "craphole" here. Nevertheless you expressed the idea quite well. ;-) To all the thought-provoking responses thus far I will add my own: You idiots were not only stupid enough to waste your lives copying the functionality of the most broken binary blob in the world and you GPL'd what you came up with?! That really says it all...talk about adding insult to injury. I'll run bootlegged copies of XP before I touch your crap-hole with a ten foot shovel LOL. _ ___ _ _ __ __ _____ ___ ____ _____ | T / \ | T | T | T T/ ___/ / _]| \ / ___/ | | Y Y| | | | | | ( \_ / [_ | D )( \_ | l___ | O || l___ | l___ | | |\__ TY _]| / \__ T | T| || T | T| : |/ \ || [_ | \ / \ | | |l !| | | |l |\ || T| . Y \ | l_____j \___/ l_____j l_____j \__,_j \___jl_____jl__j\_j \___j From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 13:58:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9396B1065678 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A28E8FC0A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:58:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mikel king In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:58:36 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70D5205D-49D1-4C31-833B-BB8A775D306B@olivent.com> References: To: Bruno Comerci X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:58:46 -0000 On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: >=20 > Hi guys. >=20 >=20 > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the = ReactOS project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users = around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions = than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with = the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. >=20 > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but = ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. >=20 >=20 > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont = trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That was funny. Best laugh I've had all day, but then it's early so = there room for improvement.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 14:53:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D346F106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A78FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10587860; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:52:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.246] (account jon@radel.com HELO winesap.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10587858; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <4F5A0B2A.2000706@radel.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:52:42 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bo wang References: <4F5818A4.20509@hdk5.net> <4F58752E.2010405@my.gd> <4F59C8A0.9030405@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F59C8A0.9030405@my.gd> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000300050704070105030901" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Some questions about Link Aggregation and Failover X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:53:14 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000300050704070105030901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/9/12 4:08 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > Well that's exactly what I'm trying to show you. > > > > Link aggregation will *NOT* allow you to get 200mbs between 2 servers b= y > sending data over the 2 cables. > > As per the example I pasted below, link aggregation uses a load > balancing algorithm to share the traffic across several links. > > It will *NOT* use *BOTH* links for a single "source ip - destination ip= " > pair. All of which is explained at least twice in the document the OP claims=20 to have used http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html= once in the section on LACP: "LACP balances outgoing traffic across the active ports based on hashed=20 protocol header information and accepts incoming traffic from any active = port. The hash includes the Ethernet source and destination address,=20 and, if available, the VLAN tag, and the IPv4/IPv6 source and=20 destination address." and once in Example 32-1, which is presumably being used as the cookbook = for this project: "Since frame ordering is mandatory on Ethernet links then any traffic=20 between two stations always flows over the same physical link limiting=20 the maximum speed to that of one interface. The transmit algorithm=20 attempts to use as much information as it can to distinguish different=20 traffic flows and balance across the available interfaces." Has use of Gig ethernet been considered? --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms000300050704070105030901-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 15:09:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D441E1065672 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454458FC08 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q29F9Ksv062127 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:09:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F5A1CFB.3050706@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:08:43 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:09:29 -0000 2012-03-08 19:46, Chad Perrin skrev: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:51:03AM +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> >>> If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry >>> Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if >>> someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for >>> people and projects working on this). >> >> There was a discussion about it over on hackers@ last November. The >> thread starts at >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-November/036742.html >> >> TL;DR summary: some are wildly in favour of it, others are >> completely negative. I.e. the usual network response to anything :-} > > I'm curious about the reasoning for the negative. I'll have to go skim > that thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me. > > >> >> Unless someone capable and willing to do the port managed to get one >> of the first production batch, the next lot won't be available for >> 7-8 weeks at the earliest. My order is currently expected to be >> delivered the second week in May. > > That helps me get sort of a timeline in mind, I think. > The production is halted. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 15:48:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57CF106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:48:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EDC8FC08 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q29FmHjh036084 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:48:17 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4F5A2641.6070903@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:48:17 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120219 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> <4F5A1CFB.3050706@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F5A1CFB.3050706@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:48:24 -0000 On 03/09/12 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-03-08 19:46, Chad Perrin skrev: >> On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:51:03AM +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>> >>>> If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to >>>> Raspberry >>>> Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if >>>> someone would let me know (perhaps with URIs or contact information for >>>> people and projects working on this). >>> >>> There was a discussion about it over on hackers@ last November. The >>> thread starts at >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-November/036742.html >>> >>> >>> TL;DR summary: some are wildly in favour of it, others are >>> completely negative. I.e. the usual network response to anything :-} >> >> I'm curious about the reasoning for the negative. I'll have to go skim >> that thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me. >> >> >>> >>> Unless someone capable and willing to do the port managed to get one >>> of the first production batch, the next lot won't be available for >>> 7-8 weeks at the earliest. My order is currently expected to be >>> delivered the second week in May. >> >> That helps me get sort of a timeline in mind, I think. >> > The production is halted. > > http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781 The key sentence is: > There may now be a slight delay in later batches if there’s a problem > sourcing enough magnetic jacks (we’ve got teams hunting them down > already); all the stock of jacks we believed we had in place and > ready to turn into the ethernet ports on your Raspberry Pis turn out > not to be the correct part, so we’re having to start again and move > through the negotiating/ordering/delivery cycle as fast as we can. Somewhat more conditional than a simple "halted" to my eyes. That could be me being optimistic but I hope not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 19:46:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7855F1065670 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6888FC0C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BB20201D2 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id u2wOKOyHQP0l for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A4C20194B7 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613E75111B; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hcwwNr5pAldJ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 4747451221; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:46:13 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/CURRENT (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:46:21 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2012, Da Rock wrote: > I'm reconsidering my current setup (postfix/courier) for imap and I was > doing some research on performance comparisons between imap server > setups. I stumbled on this article just just about fell of my chair > laughing when I read the last article on future benchmarking tests to > perform: > > research.microsoft.com/pubs/138302/lisa.pdf > > Considering I have close to a hundred folders or more, and an average of > 50,000 emails in each (yes, not good, and I am working on archiving but > it won't help _that_ much) with nearly 200,000 in just one! I got a real > kick out of the comment that "no sane email user would have more than > 21,000 emails in a folder" - that would make me certifiable :D Oh, and > that most email wouldn't be more than a GB or so... mine's edging 6GB > already... My security folder averages about 19,000 messages, containing all security reports for the last 30 days (it's a bit over 22,000 today). > So, all jokes aside, I contemplated that I would make an ideal test case > to the extreme for benchmarking imap servers. Anyone have any > suggestions on what to test/how? Anyone have some tools they have > created for a similar challenge? I have my own ideas, but if anyone > wants me to try something I'd be willing to give it a shot. We have been using courier-imap for at least a decade including at several regional ISPs with 10,000 accounts or so. This has worked very well with minimal problems. During this time we have had to move all e-mail accounts to new servers, and this has been pretty simple. Set up the accounts and $HOME directories on the new machine. Change the DNS to point to it. Then copy all the data from the old box to the new using rsync. This would take a couple of hours with 10,000 accounts. During this time all new mail was processed and available immediately while older messages weren't until the rsync jobs were complete. When we first started building systems for ISPs in 1994, we were using the University of Washington IMAP server, and had a variety of problems as systems grew. Its monolithic file storage required special handling, and I learned about inetd limits on handling large numbers of incoming connections the hard way. I much prefer the Maildir stores as they allow use of standard *nix utilities, find, grep, etc., are hard to corrupt, and have no locking problems with NFS mounts. The courier method of having multiple authentication processes has held up very well over the years under heavy usage. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 Now if there is one thing that we do worse than any other nation, it is try and manage somebody else's affairs. Will Rogers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 20:12:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835011065673 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E508FC0A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq7 with SMTP id hq7so711811wib.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:12:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4NK3taCIrpDO1wzgqjTcVN9vBqW4G+nUG+ciWEH+At4=; b=d6XDonbq88ddCaGs6VaBvkc3daSgLJnY8AuDMaXM9spEoYKlGcYYV+nfDBAJp8x+Cs RDiWagWriV/unDKcU9zg1xct0lZEmhS6HJAPHm1/sdcThzrK/Z43xZcwzSYHep/OI6b4 evd7wNF71pg1kHJB7JT4hLYuV6ZZGwiuZQibRCnhDsYKzYIuRjLCHoSSx4R+BTuyDl70 pJFM5O4Uek/WgOZaOsP7wkBsQ/Qv+vs1JUoRdNkegod03YDjeVkVR15AUqsXFPIowCog cDTH3fi0vikPojcyDn56Tyk2YjlumK2lJvQRDXawBdoXxMl6fyunduZDISPSW0BM4Uua BLFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.99.100 with SMTP id ep4mr7859418wib.7.1331323975822; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.171.18 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: alexus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: apache22 + mod_fastcgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:12:57 -0000 i'd like to follow up with this question if possible On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM, alexus wrote: > --- > LoadModule fastcgi_module =C2=A0 =C2=A0 libexec/apache22/mod_fastcgi.so > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/www/apache22/= data/php -socket > /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock > > --- > > this works for my apache for default virtualhost, yet if i use same > thing under a virtualhost it won't work > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerName xxxx > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DocumentRoot /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0AddHandler php5-fa= stcgi .php > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FastCgiExternalSer= ver /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/php -socket > /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > > in default virtual host i PHP scripts gets executed no problem, under > second it actually just starts downloading that php script.. > > any ideas? > > -- > http://alexus.org/ --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 20:50:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A951065672 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weldon@excelsusphoto.com) Received: from veyron.excelsus.com (veyron.excelsus.com [74.93.113.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849968FC17 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by veyron.excelsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BAD5AA7; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from veyron.excelsus.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (veyron.excelsus.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31511-10; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jenweldandeskt (74-93-113-253-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.93.113.253]) (Authenticated sender: weldon@excelsusphoto.com) by veyron.excelsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A1B575AA4; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Weldon Godfrey" To: , References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:33:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Thread-Index: Acz+LWK2C6zpwpAhQUq8lLZMPKvp3QABa0KQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Cc: Subject: RE: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:50:11 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Campbell Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:46 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks On Fri, Mar 09, 2012, Da Rock wrote: > I'm reconsidering my current setup (postfix/courier) for imap and I was > doing some research on performance comparisons between imap server > setups. I stumbled on this article just just about fell of my chair > laughing when I read the last article on future benchmarking tests to > perform: > > research.microsoft.com/pubs/138302/lisa.pdf > > Considering I have close to a hundred folders or more, and an average of > 50,000 emails in each (yes, not good, and I am working on archiving but > it won't help _that_ much) with nearly 200,000 in just one! I got a real > kick out of the comment that "no sane email user would have more than > 21,000 emails in a folder" - that would make me certifiable :D Oh, and > that most email wouldn't be more than a GB or so... mine's edging 6GB > already... I would highly recommend looking at Dovecot. I have used courier for several ISPs then switched to Dovecot on my last install. Its ability for caching the index per user is of great performance advantage if you choose to leverage an IMAP based webmail solution (like Roundcube, or even Squirrelmail, but I would recommend Roundcube over Squrrel)...especially if you are going to deal with mailboxes of tens of thousands of messages. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 22:21:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CE2106564A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EDF8FC0C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:21:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=mVeYH08v0oe82H1R2lPk4Ng624SVNongmK5cj/wvuSI=; b=ls+O72UEvOpqTHW9AUAGRRySl0qKxOgcWBKNWFoAQpeHhHTsI7/cR3Sv2c/qFsTGrY2sIdJ7m/97h6dEcma/nrfCPQrKuLSwB/hLZbVfUKG39yEPdxOy7c6ehpHQN0k4; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S68CD-000DCc-DN for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:21:58 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1331331711-34990-34989/5/10; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:21:51 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:21:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.62 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:21:58 -0000 On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:33:53 -0600, Weldon Godfrey wrote: > I would highly recommend looking at Dovecot. I have used courier for > several ISPs then switched to Dovecot on my last install. Its ability > for > caching the index per user is of great performance advantage if you > choose > to leverage an IMAP based webmail solution (like Roundcube, or even > Squirrelmail, but I would recommend Roundcube over Squrrel)...especially > if > you are going to deal with mailboxes of tens of thousands of messages. I concur. We use Dovecot at work and even put the indexes on Intel SSDs. My boss's mailbox is actually 1.2 million messages. That's pretty insane. For my personal email I prefer Archiveopteryx which sanitizes, normalizes, and deduplicates your email. There are caveats (breaks gpg), but I find it to be wicked fast -- faster than Dovecot on my server. Here's an annoying problem: You have a filesystem with 9 million messages in Maildirs. Backing this up or even rsyncing this sucks. Now imagine being able to use database replication and use database dumps for your backups. Pretty slick. You lose the beautiful power of shell utilities, though.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 9 22:52:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A1C1065670 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5305C8FC17 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so1480967ggn.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:52:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :x-kmail-markup:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:x-gm-message-state; bh=bWOz98Cuwy6JY9e/2v854CG0xEGIgHqDLOkYehNmOSc=; b=dAKhprI/Nn3xsd8TziZ81I/PQi7lGX37ANHlgIr/USso0tB7XbKBzUiOGOtcXg7Y4k MNpXhmeJlPMZat+MdLnt8nNAzIh8rpcYp6Ig+LwVm2NHW1gGYqopvpeT8vUEz70+i07S EMlBA0KWnOokTxu4mJYWsogGvRv61JTWBqcNSJ4wasoCWihoLAvxVhSB3GRlVx1q57IB nsNFFIfTSqhrnh/O9HKStiA7rUvsx6580gcOoEMpjKZU6PncnavGbaWylhQ8SYCLKLUF p5TKLwVYUwUkBRfPcp2+2LWeTPkAdt/ESUWBBmvmOUbrr+iudjhyPl6zRNcAEDUAzjuT W72Q== Received: by 10.236.182.232 with SMTP id o68mr4569467yhm.58.1331331779437; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.113.123.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j22sm11689386ann.0.2012.03.09.14.22.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:23:03 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203091923.03345.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQllB5n4MHS6G6k1geEwCUglHINupN6/w4TIvnlV6iduYICpn0eplPZo17IW9p3IFhBfrZQw Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:52:53 -0000 On Friday 09 March 2012 01:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and > to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and > functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join > forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Hey Man (man ???) ! Your mom should be running after you all over the house, with your hot milk bottle and pacifier in hand, because you skipped your nap time. Please, have mercy on her and go right up to bed. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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([2a01:e35:8aac:83c0:540:3037:6733:4175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p57sm7992416eei.8.2012.03.09.16.24.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:24:41 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <6C1B4420-3535-40A1-83CE-15CEBEF60A66@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:24:37 +0100 To: alexus X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlaSH9Ex77cFFFHr3MEuUEWdo0eca+OA//vAq4jNAh6wGWeu87haBI2zA8RxyGDgWTToiY3 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: apache22 + mod_fastcgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:24:49 -0000 I think you're naming your module incorrectly. First, try just setting the handler in your vhost w/o the ifmodule stuff. If that works, you know where you've gone wrong. On 9 Mar 2012, at 21:12, alexus wrote: > i'd like to follow up with this question if possible >=20 > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM, alexus wrote: >> --- >> LoadModule fastcgi_module libexec/apache22/mod_fastcgi.so >>=20 >> >> AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php >> FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/www/apache22/data/php -socket >> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >> >> --- >>=20 >> this works for my apache for default virtualhost, yet if i use same >> thing under a virtualhost it won't work >>=20 >> >> ServerName xxxx >> DocumentRoot /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/ >> >> AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php >> FastCgiExternalServer /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/php -socket >> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >> >> >>=20 >> in default virtual host i PHP scripts gets executed no problem, under >> second it actually just starts downloading that php script.. >>=20 >> any ideas? >>=20 >> -- >> http://alexus.org/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://alexus.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 00:58:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FCC1065673 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71558FC17 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120310005822.FMGA6650.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:22 +0000 Received: from [94.168.171.147] (helo=Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S6Ada-0007Tp-JC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:22 +0000 Received: from Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::b0b0:8497:b56e:9ced]) by Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::b0b0:8497:b56e:9ced%11]) with mapi; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:01 +0000 From: Graeme Dargie To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: Suggestion Thread-Index: AQHM/bLCYZLW1TrO0EO6zPqtrHrOXZZitMyg Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:57:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05B0E2@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=AEXMC_GeB3YVicVbC7gA:9 a=v1z8Yd9yGno2r3L4bSQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=8cFUz9N1eSVWgtBL:21 a=4hIStj6B8-U6WcpL:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: RE: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:58:24 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bruno Comerci Sent: 09 March 2012 04:56 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestion Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactO= S project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users arou= nd the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Wi= ndows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS= team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but React= OS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Li= nux and any other Unix-based OS. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman= /listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having = a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly c= laims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 01:07:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0319A1065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7018FC0C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q2A17L9Z010201; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:07:23 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:07:22 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05B0E2@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> In-Reply-To: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05B0E2@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Graeme Dargie Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:07:27 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: > > > I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 01:22:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1706D106564A for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52E58FC0C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD645C28 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:35:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C9615C22 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:35:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F5AAB9B.4090007@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:17:15 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:22:29 -0000 On 03/10/12 08:21, Mark Felder wrote: > On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:33:53 -0600, Weldon Godfrey > wrote: > >> I would highly recommend looking at Dovecot. I have used courier for >> several ISPs then switched to Dovecot on my last install. Its >> ability for >> caching the index per user is of great performance advantage if you >> choose >> to leverage an IMAP based webmail solution (like Roundcube, or even >> Squirrelmail, but I would recommend Roundcube over >> Squrrel)...especially if >> you are going to deal with mailboxes of tens of thousands of messages. > > I concur. We use Dovecot at work and even put the indexes on Intel > SSDs. My boss's mailbox is actually 1.2 million messages. That's > pretty insane. > > For my personal email I prefer Archiveopteryx which sanitizes, > normalizes, and deduplicates your email. There are caveats (breaks > gpg), but I find it to be wicked fast -- faster than Dovecot on my > server. > > Here's an annoying problem: You have a filesystem with 9 million > messages in Maildirs. Backing this up or even rsyncing this sucks. Now > imagine being able to use database replication and use database dumps > for your backups. Pretty slick. You lose the beautiful power of shell > utilities, though.... Yes, thats true. That was tested in the paper: a cyrus? using sql database backend performed faster in searches and lookups. But writing and deleting was a drag, and you lose the shell; but I'm not sure that thats such a problem as one could find tools in the sql commands (provided you know databases well enough). My idea was to run some tests based on extremes, but by the sounds of some of these replies I'm a small fry it seems, not as extreme as I thought... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 01:24:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3649B1065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88F68FC08 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD05A5C28 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:37:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B684D5C22 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:37:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F5AAC12.80302@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:19:14 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05B0E2@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:24:27 -0000 On 03/10/12 11:07, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: >> >> I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! >> > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. > > It is a masterpiece on its own. ROFL! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 01:35:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB8E106566C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62118FC08 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so1997139wer.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:35:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8va4vCY5sH3HTEuJ8b7qDmu8TMZ1oYoV79YAtPnvLJM=; b=c+VXf+mX7Rdm0tGnTuJ0e4H52JRaP8F0QtXMcqAuyKVYk1Jp0Ku7BupOmsLlHk2AS6 EH/ekm79fTK7wa1IAm7IA2U8KET/yClt35lxAkmE5MPHG4lkIoh5v9KfBT1qzKLANAIo Eo324PWthTaDPwPrIZMXpQfZNV1i4w5wMXoQm++GjtkeIj73nDOQ2saw4D4jVcRQ5p3V GIrYuj8IwNoN0XWSEbnSWyi/BL5/uftSBi74lbGgSSneI71P3q+01SLxV/BaMMm9HuM+ 6dUvkNlRcC7VnZCSbz26CdSiwZrorR2XXHPFD+NFCxePnh7CYr7SlccQncu+FNZRzBS2 DYkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.102.231 with SMTP id fr7mr9544466wib.10.1331343350936; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.171.18 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:35:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6C1B4420-3535-40A1-83CE-15CEBEF60A66@my.gd> References: <6C1B4420-3535-40A1-83CE-15CEBEF60A66@my.gd> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: alexus To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: apache22 + mod_fastcgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:35:52 -0000 if it would be incorrectly it wouldn't work the first time (default host) virtualhost has a copy from a default host, the only difference is local path to directory, that's all ifmodule is there just in case if for whatever reason module is missing, site can operate in degraded state vs not operate at all and other virtual hosts can work as well otherwise i have to go and comment out alot of lines manually so it's not ifmodule as that proven to work, but in any case i added ifmodule after, line was there before without ifmodule so it didn't work before either.. mbp:~ alexus$ curl -I http://XX.XXX.XX.XXX/php/phpinfo.php HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:34:29 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.21 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.21 OpenSSL/0.9.8q DAV/2 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.2 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.8 Content-Type: text/html mbp:~ alexus$ curl -I http://virtualhost.com/php/phpinfo.php HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:34:42 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.21 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.21 OpenSSL/0.9.8q DAV/2 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.2 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 Last-Modified: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:10:09 GMT ETag: "97c8ef-11-4b99824b74240" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 17 Content-Type: application/x-httpd-php mbp:~ alexus$ On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > I think you're naming your module incorrectly. > > First, try just setting the handler in your vhost w/o the ifmodule stuff. > If that works, you know where you've gone wrong. > > > On 9 Mar 2012, at 21:12, alexus wrote: > >> i'd like to follow up with this question if possible >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM, alexus wrote: >>> --- >>> LoadModule fastcgi_module =C2=A0 =C2=A0 libexec/apache22/mod_fastcgi.so >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/www/apache2= 2/data/php -socket >>> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >>> >>> --- >>> >>> this works for my apache for default virtualhost, yet if i use same >>> thing under a virtualhost it won't work >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerName xxxx >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DocumentRoot /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/ >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0AddHandler php5-= fastcgi .php >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FastCgiExternalS= erver /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/php -socket >>> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> >>> >>> in default virtual host i PHP scripts gets executed no problem, under >>> second it actually just starts downloading that php script.. >>> >>> any ideas? >>> >>> -- >>> http://alexus.org/ >> >> >> >> -- >> http://alexus.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 05:22:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06B51065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 833FF8FC0C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12928 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2012 05:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2012 05:22:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=8jbiNzWwO9CRHlLNPxGSWW8jOGXGV1/NZNrOOWXSwWg=; b=MJWlOkRkk0luEPtQ/gO8Q4Wvel8H+nDE2xGNTzU9rjk6OjDDfMFnz3YcI9kpjPy44WNap7QP2C93mfJSgqfbIoOCKLizYB1Z0/8yr0JRG8gRw2BFEIOuJU84hyMW9ybT; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6ElY-0003gl-Cd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:22:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:22:51 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120310052251.GA17491@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120307204923.GA19514@hemlock.hydra> <20120307214008.GA25783@hemlock.hydra> <4F5872F7.6040908@qeng-ho.org> <20120308184628.GB8035@hemlock.hydra> <4F5A1CFB.3050706@bananmonarki.se> <4F5A2641.6070903@qeng-ho.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4F5A2641.6070903@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:22:53 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 03:48:17PM +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 03/09/12 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >2012-03-08 19:46, Chad Perrin skrev: > >> > >>That helps me get sort of a timeline in mind, I think. > > > >The production is halted. > > > >http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781 > > The key sentence is: > > There may now be a slight delay in later batches if there’s a problem > sourcing enough magnetic jacks (we’ve got teams hunting them down > already); all the stock of jacks we believed we had in place and > ready to turn into the ethernet ports on your Raspberry Pis turn out > not to be the correct part, so we’re having to start again and move > through the negotiating/ordering/delivery cycle as fast as we can. > > Somewhat more conditional than a simple "halted" to my eyes. That > could be me being optimistic but I hope not. The way it looks to me, it's something like "The first batch will be a bit late; later batches may be more expensive, or may not happen, or maybe they'll just be a little late -- or maybe we'll have enough of a windfall of good fortune to get back on schedule." Obviously, I'm hoping for one of the latter two, rather than the former two. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 06:29:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522591065673 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 190F88FC19 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1396 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2012 06:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2012 06:29:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=fc7J97RWHS5bFX7Z7VbjqtRSVZryKcM072wFv+3UGFE=; b=JZEDzBPwHeOP4rxORXNfP8l5SNswbfQxi65JYsQMiKul6+Ps2wg5iTVx1FrxDGeLdAUzKJ0MF0SN/Gez0QQgM1bjsovaWth8HsPFV4BUPh3BSq5CWIrKrnymzQ7bq0KT; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6Fny-00086P-BE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:29:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 23:29:26 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120310062926.GB17491@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:29:27 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 01:56:25AM -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community > and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar > looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD > and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont > trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That had to be the weakest troll attempt I've ever seen. I actually think that ReactOS, if run by people who weren't tied down by some unfortunate misconceptions, might have been a really good idea -- not as a great OS in its own right, but rather as a gateway drug for Unix-like OSes. Alas, that was not to be. Instead, it looks like it will just be a never-was (and occasional grist for some very weak trolling). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 07:28:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115AA1065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F48FC15 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so4414866iah.13 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:28:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TFp96Frxw8vYRWhpHsK3T69Z7eZLPzxkhM3XLFipBJ0=; b=C+Zh4oW6gPMuaGuUnZUexxVSIWYYu38Pttdh9JB7J+xgTNU3rbZv0+HKlVVwZrD8jR Co+3z9oI/trooSDtxkOHMwTXxuXkeUrmw+yHZyRqsB84opOB6C6AI9vthybCc7/FRC9q IVLNRd/3UxcKpLhzRCXr9qNNZt/2OtU9670O21roXK9FFekep5EOlhszjT8rs8jmnxRk yWaSoNKRF4sEIJKORn0w0j2cTMvGzYlWqT7AShueiya7vfJMsSvLNhyqSXrtU93Rm9Cu CzNEGDb1791tOzL2Qm/z5kJm4u/UspXlONM+cjH0aFZtWDW3szdSIkkrUkxS2hpQnt7v gLfA== Received: by 10.182.86.234 with SMTP id s10mr649931obz.41.1331364487175; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y7sm4402159oee.11.2012.03.09.23.28.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:28:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F5B0285.9010408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:28:05 -0600 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4C0F7421AA759346AF17299922AD57EB05B0E2@Mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:28:08 -0000 On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. > > It is a masterpiece on its own. > > Erich Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in wine and not windows. The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally broken as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 07:36:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450721065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F188FC1A for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q2A7aQS4003688; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:36:30 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:36:28 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <4F5B0285.9010408@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F5B0285.9010408@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203101436.29082.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Joshua Isom Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:36:32 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: > On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. > > > > It is a masterpiece on its own. > > Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in > wine and not windows. > I know of one case in which the virus worked on wine too. > The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally > broken as well. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 10:42:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267C1065673 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 10:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ABD8FC12 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 10:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so2286090wer.13 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=VTfoBK0iPIyBrxbaMlM9msiy8ROcodPGHCK/HmchZ2w=; b=eo2aj+YWOpCUpUoD50Su/4kXBBP13CCW1JqCk6OqyxH5pmX7xkj+mbv9SrFU96GWhN r4CcOqHh940ak7RRuaoils10SeaRHUC/xlERHPkevDEDQfD/lZgMo9jMlDG9qE9eoRre OCoe3IF/MBIKYeD1habA0SsduyRFPK6bL8N6870tPGF4yVYOVUMyWHVOQL5OzFI234Ay s5JPJbz/xjwQGQjPoSp8lJU6XfV4/rgqiux9hpkxcla85DF8uzsNvpk0URLqhZ4fJWPk HYwm6VI+FIAL2FJ5Zud3rmzWXcOE9GzkgQD9V291MBsBzfrMJMjlrDBIHhnC7pec14/q SMkA== Received: by 10.180.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr12157323wix.11.1331376121143; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.41.122.107] ([92.90.16.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fw5sm13206397wib.0.2012.03.10.02.41.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:42:00 -0800 (PST) References: <6C1B4420-3535-40A1-83CE-15CEBEF60A66@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <34088E52-51DA-4D77-9E3B-A19E8CBDFEEC@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:41:37 +0100 To: alexus X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3xjXXYim6jm1TKPSZPgd6jTCw1dE6/KbojYi1lZPjmeltlhShFxk4UWrBclGmgoXgE+sz Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: apache22 + mod_fastcgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 10:42:02 -0000 Have you tried pointing your vhost's fcgi handler to the same unix socket pa= th you use for your default vhost ? On 10 Mar 2012, at 02:35, alexus wrote: > if it would be incorrectly it wouldn't work the first time (default host) > virtualhost has a copy from a default host, the only difference is > local path to directory, that's all > ifmodule is there just in case if for whatever reason module is > missing, site can operate in degraded state vs not operate at all and > other virtual hosts can work as well otherwise i have to go and > comment out alot of lines manually so it's not ifmodule as that proven > to work, but in any case i added ifmodule after, line was there before > without ifmodule so it didn't work before either.. >=20 >=20 > mbp:~ alexus$ curl -I http://XX.XXX.XX.XXX/php/phpinfo.php > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:34:29 GMT > Server: Apache/2.2.21 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.21 OpenSSL/0.9.8q DAV/2 > mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.2 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 > X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.8 > Content-Type: text/html >=20 > mbp:~ alexus$ curl -I http://virtualhost.com/php/phpinfo.php > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:34:42 GMT > Server: Apache/2.2.21 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.21 OpenSSL/0.9.8q DAV/2 > mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.2 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 > Last-Modified: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:10:09 GMT > ETag: "97c8ef-11-4b99824b74240" > Accept-Ranges: bytes > Content-Length: 17 > Content-Type: application/x-httpd-php >=20 > mbp:~ alexus$ >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> I think you're naming your module incorrectly. >>=20 >> First, try just setting the handler in your vhost w/o the ifmodule stuff.= >> If that works, you know where you've gone wrong. >>=20 >>=20 >> On 9 Mar 2012, at 21:12, alexus wrote: >>=20 >>> i'd like to follow up with this question if possible >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM, alexus wrote: >>>> --- >>>> LoadModule fastcgi_module libexec/apache22/mod_fastcgi.so >>>>=20 >>>> >>>> AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php >>>> FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/www/apache22/data/php -socket >>>> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >>>> >>>> --- >>>>=20 >>>> this works for my apache for default virtualhost, yet if i use same >>>> thing under a virtualhost it won't work >>>>=20 >>>> >>>> ServerName xxxx >>>> DocumentRoot /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/ >>>> >>>> AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php >>>> FastCgiExternalServer /home/xxx/xxx/htdocs/php -socket >>>> /var/run/spawn_fcgi.sock >>>> >>>> >>>>=20 >>>> in default virtual host i PHP scripts gets executed no problem, under >>>> second it actually just starts downloading that php script.. >>>>=20 >>>> any ideas? >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> http://alexus.org/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> http://alexus.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 14:44:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D611065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from www-data@novactive.fr) Received: from mx0.novactive.net (mx0.novactive.net [195.154.89.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FE28FC13 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mx0.novactive.net (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 028EE3280B2; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:16:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on mx0.novactive.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from novaez4.novactive.fr (novaez4.novactive.fr [10.0.1.16]) by mx0.novactive.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D132537801 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from novaez4.novactive.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by novaez4.novactive.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id q2AE68Zd010460 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:06:09 +0100 Received: (from www-data@localhost) by novaez4.novactive.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id q2AE68v8010458; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:06:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:06:08 +0100 Message-Id: <201203101406.q2AE68v8010458@novaez4.novactive.fr> To: questions@freebsd.org From: Advanced.Dtrex.Systems@novactive.fr, "Inc." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Product Inquiry X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: peterdj@poletbe.co List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:44:52 -0000 Good day Sir/Madam, I browse through your contact and I find some items which we have interest in purchasing to our store in United States for urgent supply, I will like to know the FOB prices per each items plus the shipping cost, I also want to know the kind of method you accept for payment. I await your quick response so I can proceed with my needed items and quantity Thank you Peter A. Pratt, CPM Supply Manager-Direct Materials Advanced Dtrex Systems, Inc. 401 Olive Street Findlay, OH 45840 Phone: 419-424-8314 Cell: 419-957-6511 Efax: 866-246-0345 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 15:08:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FB41065670 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9D88FC13 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so5068670iah.13 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:08:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=LRuCfdCODDnyXjJ8U/94YBy/IMW/lHOL23OZ/AkjzPA=; b=EDtx23mTP1RF1KHSug3mq1YMJqrJyiSkDqAU0A49kqjh3O6lTtc/XswLtyAEI9Hw8A Ulee1tmQ4esMi7kq8qVNmJz/S+iKGh6NheFv44sjBlv/bDc4XqrNKJsBTJc3ufHPQ24O EY/IcAvtuCouTCaAui44MdXanTFY9YlwLICbwdaYxGiYXiEEE1NhKlAzSsgMjZTTPRAY 0IF6V+gttgyEeNFxMqZMfG2kUmjWwBEysNdF68qcWa16NaEwmT7hywLMFUpf0DdcmoIx e49GlFWKtQKy+cwn/fdQ5Gw5SN9jOcLySml2iLl5ReRbNPP05XiZWmFvrSIhtvngVBXl 94lQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.180.231 with SMTP id dr7mr9574873igc.56.1331392117581; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:08:37 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.74.138 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:08:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203101436.29082.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> References: <201203100807.22274.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <4F5B0285.9010408@gmail.com> <201203101436.29082.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 10:08:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sPHR8Lxeg-ipFDyjMi3QxL6ymTo Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlXh2bd2JKmlhAHFai5rpOYjPra8pzMdnjUwDAQ2Xumcu4v/5JUIZDdcnpiKBfh+N75FT4x Cc: Joshua Isom , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:08:38 -0000 On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: [...] > > wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to name a few: - no clean separation of system and apps - apps re-write system libs at will - no lib versioning - there is not out of the box user / admin separation - no filesystem-based security - default network protocols are insecure ...and this is only scratching the surface Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: q{ There is no inherent value in a technology per se. The value is determined instead by the business model used to bring it to market. The same technology taken to the market through two different business models will yield different amounts of value. An inferior technology with a better business model will often trump a better technology commercialized through an inferior business model. } "Open Innovation", (Chesbrough 2003) -- Alejandro Imass > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 17:00:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB051065670 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B45F8FC08 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q2AGVUGk022554; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:31:33 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Alejandro Imass Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:31:33 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <201203101436.29082.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201203102331.33701.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Joshua Isom , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:00:06 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: > > [...] it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. > > > > > wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. > > I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to > name a few: > > - no clean separation of system and apps it is very clearly separated. > - apps re-write system libs at will Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? > - no lib versioning I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. > - there is not out of the box user / admin separation Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. > - no filesystem-based security FAT rules! > - default network protocols are insecure Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. > > ...and this is only scratching the surface > > Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with > SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These > folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: Cash rules! Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 20:45:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7137F106566C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A7F8FC14 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:45:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=c1kkVZoP1m82ROpW5Lw6SBk19YZARz6J/QC69q+orIU=; b=naJIpjBk7NN+a5B0pLUEMCAc7KbwR6A6JOD8dwLAe4Ts1z2j27Vi7d3wsuCANQhIaA9CPPU9c3MdB3njSi2HbqBdB9JD8uddfFZf44JKOgCltQ8JnAYA3bzlUno8YhRd; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S6TAg-000MmC-4i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:45:47 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1331412339-34990-34989/5/11; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:45:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F596EA7.4090207@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120309194613.GA28476@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <4F5AAB9B.4090007@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:45:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F5AAB9B.4090007@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (Win32) X-SA-Score: -1.5 Subject: Re: imap server performance benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:45:48 -0000 On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:17:15 -0600, Da Rock =20 wrote: > Yes, thats true. That was tested in the paper: a cyrus? using sql =20 > database backend performed faster in searches and lookups. But writing = =20 > and deleting was a drag, and you lose the shell; but I'm not sure that = =20 > thats such a problem as one could find tools in the sql commands =20 > (provided you know databases well enough). Since Archiveopteryx is so tightly integrated with Postgres, this seems = to =20 be less of a problem. From their FAQ[1]: > Some question about capacity.This question crops up in different = shapes =20 > =E2=80=94 =E2=80=9Chow many users?=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Chow big?=E2=80=9D > Archiveopteryx's bottleneck is the number of deliveries per minute, =20 > everything else is irrelevant. > How many messages do you need to inject into the database in the = busiest =20 > five-minute period of theday? In a business, that's usually in the =20 > morning and immediately after lunch. On fast PC hardware,Archiveopteryx= =20 > currently handles in the neighbourhood of 4000 deliveries per minute. Wayback Machine has this FAQ entry going back to 2007. I'm pretty sure =20 that on current hardware we can do more than 4000 messages per minute. On the topic of deletes: They're pretty fast in AOX. Deletion is only a =20 flag and a nightly cron does the real purging. You set a retention = policy =20 =2D- you choose how long the email stays in the DB before it's actually =20 purged. It's pretty slick, and I like setting things like forced = deletion =20 of all emails in my SPAM folder if they're older than 30 days, and my =20 other mailboxes I can undelete up to 14 days after. It's saved my butt =20 once or twice. I'd love to have this for our customer's email. The real problem when you start dipping into this type of an environment = =20 is figuring out how to support it. You're no longer running a mail = server; =20 you're now a DBA. If I implemented this at work I have three hurdles: 1) Not pissing anyone off when they find out their GPG is broken (low =20 likelihood, but it's naughty to do this. FYI, they're working on a fix = but =20 it has significant hurdles.) 2) We're now admins of a 120GB Postgres database. This is a daunting = task, =20 and the hardware requirements are more than if you were just running =20 Dovecot/Cyrus. (AOX does dedup and my estimate brings this down to = ~100GB, =20 but I don't know how the big indexes will be) 3) Well now we probably want a slave so backups don't lock the tables at = =20 night.... I absolutely love the idea, but outside of my own email or hosting for a = =20 friend I don't think it's a feasible solution, which saddens me... a few = =20 more devs and the project could really shine. [1] http://archiveopteryx.org/faq/mailstore#capacity From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 20:56:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA61065673 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepi107.cox.net (eastrmfepi107.cox.net [68.230.241.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072618FC14 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120310204334.HQXD26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:43:34 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.84.176]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id jwja1i0083oG0Ji02wjamR; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:43:34 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F5BBCF6.0069,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XApQh1NwS0kk9y5VQg1IQe/r8Q/VmA0LM7eT14yPc6s= c=1 sm=1 a=w5MTuKe4D_0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:17 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=h6-BCBeOWfbCD3R87NgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2AKhX2a064873 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:43:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:43:28 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20120310144328.6d7cd1b0@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:56:28 -0000 Earlier today, for a period of about 30-45 minutes or so, any attempt to connect to www.freebsd.org was yielding failed hostname lookups. Did anyone else notice this? Any word on what was causing it? I have to admit, it was rather startling at first. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 21:02:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120DC106564A for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6908FC08 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:02:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=Message-Id:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date:Content-Type:Mime-Version; bh=EoBqKRfQaegCol0n39ioduMK4eR7Hzl9KYScS7e2AiQ=; b=COrALVA7LuGxMle64U7+0NAd6q/pGm926OBNiepCyv3xYlnmlM0mqV5QykgVBHw9g1uuASYiqdxvF6adnoiaB9n/pz+7vSP7EYU8x/VcskK9Z1as2dAfxUjQrf1ye4+k; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1S6TQN-000NBW-G2 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:02:00 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1331413313-34990-34989/5/13; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:01:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:01:53 -0600 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20120310144328.6d7cd1b0@cox.net> References: <20120310144328.6d7cd1b0@cox.net> Message-Id: X-Sender: feld@feld.me User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.6 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:02:01 -0000 On 10.03.2012 14:43, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Earlier today, for a period of about 30-45 minutes or so, any attempt > to > connect to www.freebsd.org was yielding failed hostname lookups. > > Did anyone else notice this? Any word on what was causing it? I > have > to admit, it was rather startling at first. Do you have any further details? What are you using for DNS servers, or are you doing lookups yourself? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 23:42:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C888106566B for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404888FC0C for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2635C28 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:55:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE5685C22 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:55:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F5BE595.1090905@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:36:53 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201203101436.29082.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <201203102331.33701.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201203102331.33701.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:42:07 -0000 On 03/11/12 02:31, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky >> wrote: >>> On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: >> [...] > it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. >>> wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. >> I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! >> >> ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to >> name a few: >> >> - no clean separation of system and apps > it is very clearly separated. > >> - apps re-write system libs at will > Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? > >> - no lib versioning > I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. > >> - there is not out of the box user / admin separation > Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. > >> - no filesystem-based security > FAT rules! > >> - default network protocols are insecure > Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. >> ...and this is only scratching the surface >> >> Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with >> SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These >> folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: > Cash rules! > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 23:46:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFAB1065672 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6806D8FC08 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C965C28 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 10:00:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 054F75C22 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 10:00:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F5BE6B3.9010001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:41:39 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120310144328.6d7cd1b0@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:46:53 -0000 On 03/11/12 07:01, Mark Felder wrote: > On 10.03.2012 14:43, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: >> Earlier today, for a period of about 30-45 minutes or so, any attempt to >> connect to www.freebsd.org was yielding failed hostname lookups. >> >> Did anyone else notice this? Any word on what was causing it? I have >> to admit, it was rather startling at first. > > > Do you have any further details? What are you using for DNS servers, > or are you doing lookups yourself? Actually, around the same time others were reporting another site (not fbsd, which I could access easily) was broken. So maybe a dark cloud passed over? ;)