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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i6sm9352344qkk.31.2021.03.21.13.24.30 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Tcs4zXZz20jG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:24:22 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321162422.00001332@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Tcw3n5tz3t7r X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=aw99Rd+e; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.90)[0.901]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:24:33 -0000 --Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:03:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf stated: >On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: >>It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire >>alarm. =20 > >Analogies are clumsy. You are right that a workaround isn't an optimal >solution, it's just a limited path to get things done, but OTOH it >probably is a help to continue using your machine, without the need of >any additional struggle. > >Since Intel doesn't support almost all GPUs for Linux usage anymore and >the only workarounds are using mainline Linux kernels by dropping the >"intel" driver in favour of the "modesetting" driver, just to run into >other issue, or to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, I >decided to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, as long as >possible. > >>sooner or later it will blow up in your face. =20 > >Maybe, OTOH the situation might change. I might need to buy new >hardware anyway, Intel and/or the Linux community might support my GPU >again or I even don't want to use Linux at all, even if it should work >without issues on my machine. > >IIUC you need USB ports for 2 input devices at this very moment and if >you disable USB3, you still would get the needed USB ports. > >This is a starting point, since IIUC it's possible to install a >new release of FreeBSD by turning of the fire siren and to build your >individual configured kernel, by abandoning something that isn't a >must-have at this very moment. The fire won't kill you or even take >away something you currently need. If you should need an additional USB >port, a workaround such as using an USB hub likely does the job, at >least as a temporarily solution. I require, at any given time, a minimum of four fully functional USB ports. Now, 3.x ports are not absolutely necessary; however, I am paying for them so I sort of would like for them to work. Otherwise, it is like buying a Ferrari and never exceeding 40 MPH. A total waste if you get the idea. However, the path you have mentioned is one I am considering. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXq3wACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXdamAv+KnRRkn8K+/lYyxiSIJVjNOOMHB2qpm78Wm9qs1SWtMRy7YzycXnSxEXa 4vQu4udU7xrK7JNgqzBETf/98IHhfPUOi7ZGlJVJBGMeANETnovQPvWpmgJpfs3M 1xK4PxDt/P04td7+khMUcAnXlw1aaNlbxVvyy1BoZhJ6YhTOjRGnk34/nKc66f4B un7O2B4DOHszbSelTKSG25tueU5Ct4rTpmoIRUUgViEowGtht19MZGRsFYPysFAa o7oDHn9ln19h/M5Wkostrjn2pplKm25tx7VnV94c2uyk4tRkN23YLZHd1EhTJDEX tMIu0F7U7+qduT4xgtSp54688Hk8xivaw4dc03XyFUU+6OdMnXB+EnU7SmCC4Q+z uDrGU15UcsNpOoM3w+kZxR+PV/Y2jTQSfZu4+ivBxi6wAzTAj2dnQRDQ+Splovqz L3X6PtRlwsFCM6IGrbDnpFS2LWmDRhDPo8l512xJJ7z1GqrMOurfZT57laCINcLp YUx6nO55 =o5VK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj--