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Date:      Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:48:38 -0500
From:      "Michael B. Eichorn" <ike@michaeleichorn.com>
To:        Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>, Anton Sayetsky <vsasjason@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Looking for fully working Intel-based laptop
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On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 18:47 -0500, Michael B. Eichorn wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 17:07 -0600, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Anton Sayetsky <vsasjason@gmail.co
> > m>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > > Dell Precision M6600
> > > Thanks, I will take a look at this model.
> > > 
> > > > acpi complains about SD controller coming out of resume, and
> > > > doesn't
> > > work after resume(it does before).  Since I don't use it, it's
> > > not
> > > an issue
> > > for me.
> > > I don't care about SD too, so this is not a problem.
> > > 
> > > > I'm also not sure about "totally disable Intel
> > > > graphics".   Obviously
> > > you can just not load the driver, but that will not eliminate
> > > power
> > > consumption.  I have the nvidia card for this laptop as well, but
> > > it isn't
> > > physically installed so I cannot confirm it would work, although
> > > I
> > > expect
> > > that it would.
> > > I'll try to explain. Correct me if I wrong.
> > > It's about so called nVidia Optimus. AFAIK, this works by doing
> > > rendering
> > > on Intel or nVidia card, but the display output on Intel
> > > unconditionally.
> > > 
> > I think it switches the output between them internally when stuff
> > like 3D
> > is active.
> > 
> > > Latest supported Intel graphics on FreeBSD is that comes with Ivy
> > > Bridge.
> > > So if I will buy Haswell-based laptop, I won't get fully
> > > functional
> > > video
> > > subsystem even if nVidia card is present. I'm also not sure if
> > > disabling
> > > screen output through Intel is physically possible.
> > > 
> > This laptop is a Sandy Bridge and the low end Intel-only video
> > performance
> > is excellent for all tasks I perform, the most demanding of such
> > would be
> > playback of full HD video eg streaming 1920x1080 TrueColor.  I no
> > lag, no
> > stuttering, no distortion.  I suppose it's 3D isn't so good, but I
> > don't
> > use it.
> > 
> > I believe it probable Haswell support will be in 11.0, but not
> > guaranteed.
> > For my needs, Haswell/Broadwell doesn't provide much value over Ivy
> > Bridge
> > and Sandy/Ivy Bridge models are still in a sweet spot for used
> > pricing.
> 
> I would quibble with this, the Iris Pro Graphics are a significant
> step
> up from the HD Graphics line. It means I have to use Linux (for now),
> but it is a rather nice GPU.

Doh. You said _my_ needs ignore me I am a bit slow today.
> 
> > 
> > All in all it's a nice laptop which has allowed me to get rid of
> > several
> > other systems.  However it is big and heavy.  It does not fit in
> > standard
> > laptop carriers eg a laptop backpack, and it has a hypersensitive
> > touchpad.  But there aren't many laptops capable of of 32GB RAM
> > along
> > with
> > all its other power.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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