From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 22 22:07:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02976 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02970 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:07:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4037.ime.net [209.90.195.47]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA08837; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:06:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981223005658.00b44ee0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:04:36 -0500 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: This just in: Microsoft/Sears Merger Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, David Kelly In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981222232943.00c1f800@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:59 AM 12/23/98 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >*sigh* This world is doomed =) > Nah, it's just we're technologically inept :) Even though I have been doing the computer thing for 14 years. > >Well just to add the usual it-doesn't-matter 0.02 cents: at the place where I >work, I am one of the three network specialists and then there's this guy >whom we >contract. This guy, some of core knows him and he knows every major other guru >out there in the UNIX world (I am still amazed over that), is the kind of guy >that never tires to explain, but boy does he know a lot about UNIX and IP. I >have >seen him outwit/outsmart every single NT administrator we have at our job >(we are >the Novell dudes, so... ;). So ye see, it's all about the knowledge >actually, and >I have seen by now, that most courses concerning MCSE and MCNE don't really >hold >their feet in the ground against guys like him (sure there are always >exceptions). > >side-note: Novell and FreeBSD works great next to each other =) I didn't say I agree with the MCSE programs and the CNE/CNA Novell programs. I could have gone for my MCSE a while ago, I just don't see the point in paying a few grand (I think something to the tune of 5 grand) to take certification on something that isn't going to directly affect where I am. I've worked at the school for 3 years so far, and just finally now I'm actually going to see pay from it. If they pay me 18,500$ a year, then I'm happy in that position.. Then I can always migrate toward Mass, and work toward the 45-65K/yr for a 'UNIX Geek'. Consider where I work now a 'proving ground'. Surprisingly my 250 user copy of Intranetware (of which was a lovely 1000 dollars from Novell) came with a CD for Unix services. All in all Novell is an interesting NOS, the problem I see is, it can be rather complex. Perhaps that's why people go to NT, anyone can point and click, and a basic network admin can develop a small business network with ease. My Netware Experience was so-so, I found running Samba a little more realistic for the cause really, the cause being file sharing. I'd be interested to hear why you chose to be a Novell guy instead of something else though. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message