From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:04:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1A10995B5 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makketronics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDB2382D4B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makketronics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id c29-v6so6042402lfj.1 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8RZZn1yC4iNJXCUoYzm1cgmS4qe3Z3ywMqCD0G5NodI=; b=RKcmWLiJfXEecplm3v6mRAK1tSsipI2vil9ODTyLdfhcTezBJsb4Z3Eh0v5s8rfD/K dp+x+3I59JBrFIauwwpmXq9YIsjRZooVGHXD/1/HVhkFuZ3PfRA0874vSxR4HAXkwsvi cEPEgq47BUxkxSic08bcR5eNSrb+NAy1b1lLmXW59KDfg87y+qTXqZz4MZgnBRa7gePB 88hDCX6aYH/TleyvWybAVY3lj9naK+7HCNC5kNBi+CJXXo8Ahu2mbsTPgyYoelEwvhRg oRIuWVec7pn5yMXrZFGnfQ7Eoj22TZ9oww4VcTCmbEp+yCs4yJjpe8SQOGTEooGhvJYw k90g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8RZZn1yC4iNJXCUoYzm1cgmS4qe3Z3ywMqCD0G5NodI=; b=n2dCwA8aaTKi33NzASB+2FBtvH1aiM52ntIMHI7EPQ7rq5q28P1rQoO3MrNrYM5AKc YimBv47gwEHPEjDdf86YDxQY0oKa1xvnDam4JBVqlBcnw16kSpLLRsyAoChqQKen3JVF xOpiAKy+kOqPsgkTos6EgtI4HwRJ5iKt3sYHfADAwIaSZ3MJPUFYo7seJG0DniqBCVA1 kech9atwLImnCqODF8cEBXxOY9evyN1qVvKYsGYnU2nebwUQMBKNHuGnTOLs3Uh/d/49 GtuuVCwltD5BRNQM/59DXh0U2BKMoXBaVyQGxxa7feyc1CkL3HGgCdFVytnyoB5Z8TQ9 jYuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BCIjJcBCrvyoFR4aZlYtURWqPWP1h3/wyaJu/4G5huHcfhI68W HK9U/4xYqGZJhxsDMIM6WqI/GmHI4r2m0uG7axigKw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZU+CzwmAsvhx+/VHMu/YYjscSlk8VXMSVI/u9/ruQDYY8cRTndjrvSMQD3zILKy27XJRgRPk9uiVchwUwmERc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:d38b:: with SMTP id k133-v6mr6037701lfg.43.1536872681506; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> From: Makketron Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: Shane Ambler Cc: Alejandro Imass , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:44 -0000 This is exactly why people get puzzled when they see a person in the team making a solution over a weekend, with no cost, instead of weeks. The irony is, they consider it a temporary solution, a hack so to speak, until fancier tools are used. Even funnier, when the switch happens, the tools tend to have higher downtime than a simple UNIX solution. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:16 AM Shane Ambler wrote: > On 12/9/18 4:40 am, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole > enterprise > > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? > compared > > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > > things. > > Good tech guys who know what to do don't use enough new fancy tech. It's > all about the buzzwords, the more your product uses the more money you > get to build it. The more layers, the more complex, the more people dumb > CEOs need to pay to setup and maintain it, but it has to be using the > newest, flashiest tech. If you have used the stuff before you need to go > and make a new one or two for the next project. One good guy can't > support an enterprise, it needs to be a group of dimwits that band > together and cover each others f*ups to support an enterprise. > > I recall the Y2K bug, a well known telco employed about 80 people to > walk around to every desktop computer and manually run some script off a > server that checked installed programs and updated each one. > > Well this telco has software installed on every desktop that allowed one > person to access every machine in the country, show reports of software > and versions installed, install, update or remotely control the GUI > desktop. The team I was on completed our two months work the first week, > so we got to use this to manually do the stupid steps on machines in > other states, after someone there had walked around to turn machines on. > > It was all about one guy coming up with something that sounded complex > enough that the CEO can't understand but had enough buzzwords and parts > that it must be the solution to this dreaded Y2K problem. > > > -- > FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing > > Shane Ambler > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >