Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:06:35 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard <norgaard@locolomo.org> To: Freebsd0101@aol.com Cc: kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: Thank you! Message-ID: <41E85E8B.6040001@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <80.1f21edc1.2f19a369@aol.com> References: <80.1f21edc1.2f19a369@aol.com>
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Freebsd0101@aol.com wrote: > Why doesn't someone just answer the question? When Watson finally > admitted publically that 5.x has networking issues it ended the last > discussion. Just answer the question. Focusing on one cludge is meaningless - who cares if your network is a little slow, or just slower than 4.x if disk or server apps can't keep up with it anyway? 4.x, 5.0-2 and DragonFlyBSD all suffer from the GIANT cludge. PHK has done a lot of work to resolve this cludge, all results may not be in 5.3. > Why are you abandoning support for new hardware in 4.x > when you admit that 5.x is not ready? It makes no sense at all. This is very obvious: There are limited resources: The time of the developers is precious. Keeping an old system updated costs time and takes away resources to address the remaining issues with the new version. In every realworld project there comes a point where you have to release the project even if it is not perfect or near perfect. Microsoft do this all the time, and they can't even claim they don't have the money to boost development. At some point it becomes meaningless to try to keep the old version updated. The BSD-team - like it or not - has chosen that this point is about now. If you disagree you have the following choices: 1) Use something else, 2) fork your own project or 3) be happy with the decision and provide usefull feedback to the developers to help the progress of the development. > Their motivations are not to the users, it clearly to > some corporate sponsor agenda that has nothing to do with end users. Prove that - that statement is completely unbiased. Maybe read Eric Raymonds "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" although BSD is not so much a bazaar, development is most often triggered by scratching your own itch. Not the users' nor any corporation. > All of the hackers lists have gone private, there is no "discussion" of > what issues are important with the customer base. And all of you > bubbleheads are just pleased as punch that your USB printer works. > Its really quite unbelievable. There is no customer base - only users who choose to use BSD because they think it is the best choice for whateever their problem is. If you have a problem that *BSD does not solve for you, develop the solution or pay someone to do it or use whatever solves your problem and be happy with that solution. You have the freedom to choose. If you think FreeBSD is hostile to it's userbase, go have fun on misc@openbsd.org - this is supposed to be the user list, a catchup list for anything that doesn't fit on the other lists. It's fun :-) just don't propose any "improvement" unless you're a core-developer or you get flamed, burned and cut into little pieces. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2
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