From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Nov 14 10:54:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FB237B4C5; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13vlDM-0006lI-00; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:53:52 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAE6vTt01225; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:57:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:57:29 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RANDOMDEV inspired realitycheck regarding i386/i486... Message-ID: <20001114075729.G333@freebie.demon.nl> References: <11485.974210886@critter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@freebsd.org on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 10:09:29AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 10:09:29AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > On 14-Nov-00 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > > If no /entropy is found it takes a full minute to do the randomdev > > seeding during boot on a P5/133. > > > > Has anybody run a 486 or 386 under current recently ? > > > > Have we defacto discontinued them from current ? > > > > I can see the advantage for the SMPng people in dropping the 386/486 > > and I'm approaching the level where I would be willing to say: "Sorry, > > stick with 4.x for i386/i486". > > Actually, the only pessimisms for SMPng are on the 386. The 486 has the > 'cmpxchg' instruction that makes SMPng go. :) Dropping 386 seems sound to me. 486 probably has quite some users left. DNS/NTP/whatever servers in dark corners come to mind. > > What is the consensus ? > > What is the current processor of choice for embedded stuff? Is x86 even a > good architecture for embedded work? That is the only place that I would see > the 386 still being alive... x86 has never been a good CPU for embedded. [eyes his trusty books collection for Motorola's 680x0 ;) ] -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands wilko@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message