From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 26 12:14:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA551065674 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker-dated-1215345703.abdd4a@rwxrwxrwx.net) Received: from mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (rwxrwxrwx.net [82.93.23.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802F58FC13 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker-dated-1215345703.abdd4a@rwxrwxrwx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D6E6D491 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.rwxrwxrwx.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.rwxrwxrwx.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvcNe2ZWo2HN for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6618C6D48F; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by glitch.rwxrwxrwx.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:41 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Martin Tournoij Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Primary-Address: carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net Subject: Re: Stop Adobe Flash Petition X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Tournoij List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:14:30 -0000 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 01:28:47PM +0200, Lars Engels wrote: > Quoting Martin Tournoij : > >> Sign it here: >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/0034655a/petition.html >> [..snip..] >> > > While I totally agree to the above statements, tell me the sense of an > online petition. Do you know a single petition that changed _anything_? > The petition is adressed "Web Designers". How should they get aware of the > petition? Of course it won't cause a paradigm shift, but it can be used to show that many people/users are not at all impressed but annoyed with "sleak" flash sites, which might just be enough to convince a few people/sites. Even if only manages to convince a few people .. Is it not worth your 20 seconds? > You cannot change the internet with that. Every big commercial site has > flash. It's colorful, it's loud, it attracts the people to their products. > So you won't convince the webmaster of these sites to change. Actually, that's not true, big commercial sites are usable because more usability == more profit, and since flash != usable, flash == less profit. Big sites like Amazon, Ebay, Google, Yahoo, etc. are all relatively simple websites, it's true that quite a few websites from big companies who's core business is not internet use flash, but this not in those companies best interest either because usability == profit etc. I'm not sure why so many sites from big companies use flash, maybe it's some bigshot suit who thinks he knows best or something... -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: The mosquito exists to keep the mighty humble.