From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed May 23 09:48:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407AFEF6FE7 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pch-bCE2691D2@u-1.phicoh.com) Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (stereo6-tun.hq.phicoh.net [IPv6:2001:888:1044:10:2a0:c9ff:fe9f:17a9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 898838119B; Wed, 23 May 2018 09:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pch-bCE2691D2@u-1.phicoh.com) Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (localhost [::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by stereo.hq.phicoh.net with esmtp (TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) (Smail #157) id m1fLQNs-0000G0C; Wed, 23 May 2018 11:48:40 +0200 Message-Id: To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "K. Macy" , "A. Wilcox" , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver From: Philip Homburg Sender: pch-bCE2691D2@u-1.phicoh.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 May 2018 15:12:39 -0700 (PDT) ." <201805222212.w4MMCdA9031937@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 11:48:38 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 09:48:43 -0000 >Also as the Moore's law curve flattens expect the life of these >older, but not so old, machines to live quiet some time. I >believe we are talking sandy bridge and earlier? If that is >corret Sandy bridge is still a very viable system. I noticed this lack of love for older systems recently. I wanted to use an older Dell server to test the 11.2 BETAs and RCs. Turns out, you can't install FreeBSD using a USB stick image because the BIOS only support MBR. No idea why MBR support was dropped for the USB images. In the end I had to find a CD burner, and after a couple of tries managed to install from CD. After that, my ansible playbooks started failing because /boot/loader.conf is absent if you boot from zfs in combination with MBR. Pity. This older server hardware is great for trying out new releases, play with zfs, etc.