From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 21 14:30:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11DC2CF3F7 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4965ZR4vPPz4NYq for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1587479424; x=1590071424; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=R5Lpz8EoeVmmt0el9ckWI0gMoVhywKSRVuYDiVEtDzg=; b=YxRDY9vIBVLtHD/ajenWz+i9HppKseBazrRSJAIxVF5069z4b9Ozc9Ridod3jd79UhlJmVZuvClqkCujgeAe7ZHiCVwd7HiLw6k24LA7D5YrI4DkEgYqeLYpD9gqxZZj6RkLPlGT/305WohSlYVBHXO0USGaVqExaOd6ldMJyoo= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDMzYzQ4YjIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:30:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:30:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jQtuf-000Ccm-Uh; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:30:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:30:13 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Wayland on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200421153013.640ea96596f03973cb7cbc16@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <5058973.kMyvyFPq5o@amos> <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4965ZR4vPPz4NYq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=YxRDY9vI; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (-0.23), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.32), asn: 7381(0.12), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100033c48b2.f511693fdf38a1756569a371c1354497@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:30:24 -0000 On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:07:41 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:18:51 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2020, at 02:24, Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > But even in 10 years FreeBSD hackers will keep using rotting X11 > > > > Perhaps. A tiny percentage. The rest will continue as they are now, > > avoiding X11 at all costs because it is insecure bloat that > > interferes with the desired operation of the machine. > > Depends. If Wayland can offer all features that X11 offers at > the moment, Wayland is not network transparent which has always been the major advantage (and disadvantage) of X11 over everything else. > there will probably be no major problem in transition. > Being able to utilize 3D support and all the driver confusion > is definitely a point to work on. The only thing is that Wayland uses the same troublesome DRI/DRM infrastructure as X11. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith