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A few days ago I was directed to make a test call before a large meeting so I temporarily installed Teams on my Android handset. Discovered that there's no test facility on Android. An issue with Microsoft documentation. 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Graham, could you supply me, preferable off-list, a complete report on what you did, Android and associated program versions, and whatever else you have available? I am working with the beta test team for 'Edge Dev', and they love getting reports like this. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l24sm6443710qtp.8.2020.05.10.06.33.44 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 May 2020 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49KlQH44QCz1ctw for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:33:34 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200510093334.00007a66@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200509231440.38c849d6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> <20200509063222.94d762e9751a32c693d73d2f@sohara.org> <20200509062517.00002c46@seibercom.net> <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> <20200509135024.d3ace507.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509085553.00006a3a@seibercom.net> <20200509173218.7c1bec97.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509125203.000036a2@seibercom.net> <20200509231440.38c849d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49KlQM1Kf8z4Cr0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=IKQrSOjr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::831 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.00)[ip: (-9.19), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 13:33:48 -0000 --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 9 May 2020 23:14:40 +0200, Polytropon commented: >> It boils down, at least for me, this philosophy. >>=20 >> There are three solutions to every problem: >>=20 >> 1) Accept it >> 2) Change it >> 3) Leave it =20 > >You are missing two very important alternatives: > > 4) Ignore it > > 5) Delegate it > >Those two cases can even be combined: Let someone else solve >the problem, while you tell everyone how easy it was. It is >a common method of "goal-oriented users" who do not want to >deal with the problems they're encountering. I think this does >not fit within one of the three options you mentioned... It could be argued that before you can 'ignore' something, you first must accept its existence. I think that #5 would more logically be a subcategory under #2, but I have far better things to do today than argue semantics. In any case, I was just listing the major categories. You could probably create a dozen or more subcategories. We have an HR department that manages to take the simplest question and answer it with what seems like a Seminar on "Quantum Physics and Quantum Information". The only appreciable difference is that I actually have a concept of what they were discussing at the seminar. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl64Aq4ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQA9ggArzr1THgkPRTA7CtSFS+/Rx1l80aoAAZO+alhY6UhBD9PY7xsZzYmYX+C xMwAwPklPKZi+NxqBJHiX05cIp8+KcQvYqZr06FcmlHgj3izwGXFA4dRamxj4Kqn X9XMymP4jZMVRS3lD0FuvwlOX5ABI5d6kHLtZyAZMy/dlydNoBsEKAln3W5Bw2b1 V2KiysRWTeVvR0qFJL7wRL4rx8R1/at/LOFzkQvrI+/cmJRmmjRVjhfFe1cEVFDG dK8FQ3/X3dv1GV596pcxMyt34VMGdyRL1KbuKZ42SDG9F3CDgIXuu9HnpkEw56qB Ot5wxiBrG+AUrSpkKgCgMFqUoxxP7Q== =Fd0O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/21BPBIylvVCP.OsQ.bboey9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 10 15:15:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544582EA565 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Kngs503Qz4Jp9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=34cSiFrBt3uZ93NUtClyx/2QsLxm0Nlg0xSJD0wY4Yc=; b=Jkgvoyf0G0XAKjHHjij6CC7uyg MdPNrX9ZcOEVM/4zyjaNPQCcD0N0czIaWsmSdjCW5bUNNS+n0n2VgAaa74ceubW6Drh4ccY2RB+h4 JemTCWv+CNY3uB1ORsQHY7/f4W6gZIC8WxgtK2LwWdaD4ZixLose/7RQj/0SYIKzggOo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jXnfu-000FDH-3Q; Sun, 10 May 2020 22:15:30 +0700 Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:15:30 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Brother HL-L2340D printer and lpd? Message-ID: <20200510151530.GA58188@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200503171259.GA48627@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200505161952.GA34844@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200505185510.00b622e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200505180101.GA35751@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200505180101.GA35751@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Kngs503Qz4Jp9 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Jkgvoyf0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.20)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.12), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 15:15:40 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > and address that printer from Firefox's print dialog, >=20 > Oh! I wish I knew how to add something to Firefox's print dialog!=20 > Do you? There is a PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D231110 about Firefox missing "Print to LPR". 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[79.66.147.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c16sm13099816wrv.62.2020.05.10.10.04.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 May 2020 10:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Microsoft Teams: test calling: Android To: Jerry References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200510054010.000075e7@seibercom.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <4c712f21-3a5a-fe62-55d3-315dd6b48abc@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:04:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200510054010.000075e7@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Kr572Shdz4Q2V X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:04:11 -0000 On 10/05/2020 10:40, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2020 07:10:13 +0100, Graham Perrin commented: >> On 07/05/2020 23:28, Maciej Suszko wrote: >> >>> … On Windows there is an option to make a Test Call within the >> Settings menu - I haven't seen that on "spoofed" browser yet. … >> >> This is not a browser-specific problem. >> >> A few days ago I was directed to make a test call before a large >> meeting so I temporarily installed Teams on my Android handset. >> Discovered that there's no test facility on Android. >> >> An issue with Microsoft documentation. > Graham, could you supply me, preferable off-list, a complete report on > what you did, Android and associated program versions, and whatever > else you have available? > > I am working with the beta test team for 'Edge Dev', and they love > getting reports like this. > > Thanks! Brief enough to be shared with the list: * Android 6.0.1 on OnePlus 2 hardware * Teams version unknown, I uninstalled after the meeting. My mistake: not an issue with Microsoft documentation, makes clear that commands are only available in the desktop or web app. The lack of clarity is in local documentation, , I'll make or request an enhancement. If I reinstall, I'll be in touch. 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It was working fine not that long ago. Now all communicators have the same problem (I use Google Hangouts, Google Meet, and open-source JITSI). I can see my camera preview, microphone bar jumps while talking, but my audio-video is not seen on the other side, also no audio-video comes to my machine. Also screen sharing does not work. On Chromium camera started working recently (thank you!) but I have microphone problem it only seems to support OSS that does not work. On Firefox I use PulseAudio that works fine and have much more control than OSS. Also the sound is glitchy and disappears, not really usable at all. Did anyone observe such problems with recent Firefox? Is it Firefox problem or the port problem? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 10 18:12:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AB72EE9AF for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ksc12YrGz4TK3 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id u16so16531141wmc.5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2020 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8pJWKRjM7jve82E/pb/bd4e3o53lGBK6alPEXQ1x/Po=; b=CtYUJ8kKk5rr5ewxlGTaq1WJJT3Q3rFDAowdiOotrVI1p2P70vNPPbzud0Ignj7z39 P7p9HxIQt4V+FGAW9y8SriEdpmCf0gWvXhsx7YoFF+AZ8kDbaeUHscN9I1zk82Jg3C8X B2i7aWMg6YtARqn3zZo7s1HZP/z1OahVf9QZ3rojaEOrIg87F0d9Febuo0drnENJShD/ IW31WAY6a/D80K9UC+x0q3ms6hmRy8kIv3f/0XxUK7C6iMjJl53wTs1kai0TURJkJmwf FILEE0XQQZtZ/FIPVqg6QTUcD1gNwxfMHA5omNiaeOnHN+LEgK/2FGnucLE+82DYl9Iq fs/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8pJWKRjM7jve82E/pb/bd4e3o53lGBK6alPEXQ1x/Po=; b=e4BA2Hg6XNW/n87sI5Yd5wi1RqNIwC1oHHk0X7iIS69N0nSLXpZ0HU1LtGLwxGnaL3 8QyoGZ0Y6nfjBWwzJtJPM3QOCdZCAnYIxMheoJjNln7NeenqNiKgtn6/o2JJAvSlgMWK wMuusbtXfNBOhTxmmMqAz9mPW2BZeSMeQpLuMmGhyDotHxms/lZPQ4tyzXNoLJlSxyH9 1M5QMfPfWWyxfn81L/SvRy0wO0IAAXP6MP7vvpyi1niueADJeKUqM/tCTdSEGG4FWDjr vNGglz1lEJBvcslYwFRWLyFcaX2ofwDOtPQAsitGIgPtLnuLGSpkciJtE+eu6+oPl5nx kDvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZWiHIC+T0XvTYWs/kFt1ZNl3orl21WZjssu2miwkLwvErUGI/q fql/7tYeOtGSlmDh7cp3HuTpNEM4SqMPeAIUPzRT/TctFS0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJEg4IJlQPotsVKGvLSNJ3tvCrKh2xIypW+tWMhj8OlKQKJw3PuV2kcK5QVa4eA77zgvh+TCeYcAuOlyVhwvuU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2293:: with SMTP id 19mr19129385wmf.121.1589134351546; Sun, 10 May 2020 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:12:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Ksc12YrGz4TK3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=CtYUJ8kK; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.38)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.29), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:12:34 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 7:20 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I lost the videoconferencing in new Firefox 76.0. It was working fine > not that long ago. Now all communicators have the same problem (I use > Google Hangouts, Google Meet, and open-source JITSI). I can confirm this is the Firefox 76.0 problem. I have downgraded to firefox-75.0_2,1.txz (+icu-66.1,1.txz dependency) and videoconferencing works fine. The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ Will report a bug of the port and to the mozilla. 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Smart move Firefox :\ > > Will report a bug of the port and to the mozilla. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636781 If anyone could test and confirm that would be much appreciated :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:25:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A2D2E1519 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49LMBQ25d9z4YRv for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B983210276A for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ncE1z0tM9kgz for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4425F102769 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom Message-Id: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:25:26 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMBQ25d9z4YRv X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.32)[-0.316,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.684,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.91), asn: 24940(-1.47), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:35 -0000 I=E2=80=99m seeing these error messages in syslog: (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 96 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for = this track) (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 97 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for = this track) (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back I was dd=E2=80=99ing a whole CD to a file while the panic happened. This = happened twice after another. The MB is an ASRock939A790GMH. Possibly the CDROM drive , a CREATIVE 52x = is the culprit. DMA is =E2=80=9EAuto=E2=80=9C in the BIOS and the device = can do DMA, not Ultra DMA.=20 Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help = analyzing something. kernel core dump? =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:30:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E355F2E1887 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LMJG0vKnz4Ygx for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id u11so9634540iow.4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:30:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g707V01nP8yUvIV7KDRwCDjqWeTDOPoMOmFWOLysBcQ=; b=LttNMNQXAjquuqzUNZC2FDrxit40NBf7TLAYZj8FQgjLID1OhpzSRUeMlMUqNsIiGB +eEwasWIPlGRMVSjQEvWkceBb+1ZYqGHvZR0ClInU672QjVuLxhd/daxvUplEz2cM+Kj Wz0mmCQXEunXkgS5rDPs90VINk0ZhZC46x29zLH0PvrI0L4k+nXKS81OXmfcjz5XZ/8r +WYcuuM3pQYCDeCxUlDglA/Bko/+ekg2MfrLKx0SDflSW/HtkDFaOZDALeFJMTG/83gO JtLTNimcFvRefTD+y8MCGUuVMFlHlWWgZGYjTxVKg++nlChpHnsZodtZbUFYnWr/YI6y gJSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=g707V01nP8yUvIV7KDRwCDjqWeTDOPoMOmFWOLysBcQ=; b=q6DZv3kwTxBxp0IriRTSZY0Mfs39kDPwhAc+QG+Mg1CHPXUyqPmNNcgu4j/w26nDAu aUcIL/82uS4QgAeOxXgKUenttQ7hip5kYubKVTjoqzWx0EJ9Z7QQy/9H1VJi8MIVe2H6 sjeoLUJY4qjI/w8XUPEvT1WKL3IdPLyNvoFoQD/DtmRbqp3XZ4lmfYavoL4gXSuC6kL7 JRcR+H1HkFg8ugX0pZkMHC65mqbFOiv5qlp30O/AjMqyJC8hppZwXG2EoMUnBdFMnwaw 2vFVAl9NFtAuKpicxeT4cxBixEhz9TmvicHCx1BlKOSmYOus2MN6UCI7HAeZjfU23Uuq sjBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaNVQf+FrT8DX1cMejxRq0329SQYBFooEKHgBHz1hIsWsPN0f0d vHL7NKGE0GdC04FGo40KAMRPqHlNI0f+MSQz9FgHR4Kavj0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI0VNwNnTgUvh1XDeAB7Xijr3yy2vaRLjwwzv16+Z0QN3gWo0hbAr7QZXIp2DxGM03ADWa23Kqf0QYrXJbP9VQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3f47:: with SMTP id c7mr15678531jaf.126.1589203836201; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> From: Michael Schuster Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMJG0vKnz4Ygx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LttNMNQX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.67), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:30:38 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:25 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I=E2=80=99m seeing these error messages in syslog: > > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 96 00 00 01 00 > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for > this track) > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 05 14 97 00 00 01 00 > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 (Illegal mode for > this track) > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): Error 6, Unretryable error > (cd0:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x6 back > > [...] > > Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help > analyzing something. kernel core dump? > speaking naively, I wouldn't expect a failed SCSI command to cause a crash dump. Do you have a stack trace? (no, I can't debug a crash dump, but perhaps someone who can is more willing to if there's more information ;-). regards Michael --=20 Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 13:38:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399B42E1FB4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LMTV1zYdz4ZRC for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id i15so10980208wrx.10 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EMFyH520ZnE3IxOEAW3XiEra0Pd3kJoIZ7kJLnPZ3cg=; b=bkdLjHW0Up1ALuaJPNZ3pgS2qqf0psDAtfjB248C98YGvoN1/LIg7P8Txy48yvBXTw VhjZX/oh/1pEIER7g121N+QOz35LfZJpzfb9/Zud9lugPP6Jr+TMNfZdI+RSgG/qLoPo gULP0tl+cDsxr4jX1m3IFH1xbaoV1G6PZMcNy/P4uJRa9qqGDgX/tirTWHN5FoAsefxX Wc8wmswYPSNa1ZLRkCueAvbvGx3wywsAiq5FQSxByrpU450WvgsnsM2vq0UzJvEZD6/1 5YM9rDGx8DWU7XFo/SsJyYDYbNb2lJmn2CbS0kcSpf1sbUSr2+VT2aieRbO1zJsP/MjR GIGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EMFyH520ZnE3IxOEAW3XiEra0Pd3kJoIZ7kJLnPZ3cg=; b=N1F2HiLPYlgSbgl9pB81u6hh6v0DVD8d+sxW09T0sbi5E59xGGAG+u9nKMIym5tYLh vYu+hO/z5PnudQy5irew2ziMZ+FPprJV4Yy7U2ge4K4tgR2BVKSurGT0AnDMjn6NTDzJ KhNe2FSe/ENfnFAk99aj3TfWJRWgGxlMzqd5uE/gwBIwSsYtwYweKUYMWW6m3oXUZUKt n/u5d7EqGIH7rmR5V3tzhPPPrtIXfGR46ns22UtNQlGV3wmOw78k2enWUXMQJIrX4Y3C 7jRMIwYFRps/uosO1qPyQrQMUrMBndGVQGLrIbU2bG0J3KN1VaDdG6PLzcdUHXP8GIC+ VPcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaEBwUHtu/A9dM7WmieymBhOEiaOZG0ZAw05o6LglOr0IuWNxC/ 0cG79a7qicbAeaPKjGnFvSGOboiR3US16qpHZCRb+kZq X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLE4CSRjUtc1AdVN3/Jjje7td8cGFfji6aFSqW3ujSgq/GE4qp6NXy0TcwNS2qkIftqbRCRuudKSghXh7En0MM= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fe89:: with SMTP id l9mr18952993wrr.400.1589204315393; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:38:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <8D7D3A75-ACE4-407F-90C4-DF827A361A30@kukulies.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kernel panic while reading from at a cdrom To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LMTV1zYdz4ZRC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=bkdLjHW0; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::431) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.35)[ip: (-9.01), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:38:39 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:25 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Before I kick out the drive and get me a sata DVD drive, would it help analyzing something. kernel core dump? You can now buy a Blu-Ray recorder for around $100 that will allow you not only to record CD (0.7GB), DVD (4GB), but also BD (20GB) and BD-DL (50GB) disks with the same utilities such as mkisofs, cdrecord, or growisofs :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 17:37:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDBB2E643C for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com (mail-qk1-x743.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LSmq3814z3KZQ for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id f13so10044941qkh.2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 10:37:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KUk8lzYZisT3MuQArnbIhDrjZItywz9/5xJmWvr4R6Y=; b=cPmsqh0g+klAfhvVSdQxouHSro/xYUNCB2O/NhpI8kYzLzYJjIOHXIOWQQAuU0a2GV QVJkSJFcWhau6/syiL7/dJ0dxz3a8lEeEhvdXMEBIsXvBPtSN2czhmVxjlET5PN+XEJ8 zxlrmHSFPa+lbQf99eLrKMffyukfHJcDjyIn4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KUk8lzYZisT3MuQArnbIhDrjZItywz9/5xJmWvr4R6Y=; b=NpjWIWUcsSVVaC6w/3etkOsGJkVxuWETokgg+Brk/z7eFDuyKs8QFep+f7L5hcJjHj mZETRx6LgAcYdX/7vldghcRXUfwJZX+1F+/d5LGYyTmeV4YEpJMtt49QWyepS0cWtdI/ 49UiCIwA3xi9FTCu9bZZnrxp5FlSyBPdQON4nkpbvX1dF42lN63hMoq3p63Bfmx22bE0 kSFTpQdgNBgkmjTNq8gvt9UQyuo4Ds3CdjeofibX3BMuqdG/Avr7KAW2v+PNxXNu+69/ cqo18agAOGUHYaDiDi8Kzx3k6UDpCyjBjyAevE4mfacme7ZCtOdJOszshF1/wUk7zpSH VglQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Puaie3AHqfI0ikrKUzn4Rd67AEJ5dUVQFZds+WdW1i/hylYYbBrm SSbXlHyB2SzdqmvZFS8Oj0lZ2VqXkGo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKmAQKPU1B19/ku5HdnK6pnLFkqjO747lIsa7MP5pXZCpRzUdGbojyKBTwrosWwmqzdV0479A== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7ca2:: with SMTP id z2mr17637253qtv.122.1589218261395; Mon, 11 May 2020 10:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. 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VMware Publishes Workarounds for Vulnerabilities in vRealize Operations Manager https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity/2020/05/11/vmware-publishes-workarounds-vulnerabilities-vrealize-operations From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:02:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11932E6DDB for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LTKg1852z3M75 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-13-073.iol.local ([10.101.8.83]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YCknjhFhMGT4iYCknjKHSw; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:02:13 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=w+zvPzfS58/fxdOpREFJIQ==:117 a=EF5jcSN46E4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=DMpmhHusJZ0A:10 a=H8Q-Uy4CYzPI0bSkxIsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:02:13 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.52.223.97 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: 81fEHP3Qut+hJnswK813KydnPouxRPt7Rnnb7gDuc4E= x-libjamv: cKlAUMlBXVU= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLrxqoePuTiES0Czpcncv9k0ZdRGvj4DzIoErtGzTEuNdIk6xwuShS06iQ1+mr+DGlJKuJbWyGTSt3qPi5wXoqQsS/QMK4O2BKUW+d6Q2/mAtBaVjaUW KO8QokjRrB+qPRlnNb9Igi52Q/KOMDMSeLnFrLV5u2e1obR+3aFrASWmwwvWCpqkUUgt6qhJdrb5D7UmRlkvB0UE+lyasJkE7Vg= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LTKg1852z3M75 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.67), asn: 8660(-2.94), country: IT(0.03)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:02:16 -0000 Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk, right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. nvd0 GPT layout: nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partition nvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partition nvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partition nvd0p4 512KB freebsd-boot nvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /) nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill) nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /var nvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as well nvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr .... nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. Thanks for your help and advice. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:38:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8313F2E79BF for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LV7s66WKz3NvV for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6A2228FB for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MFgN_ihgwxDE for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4626228F0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:38:44 -0400 Subject: Samba on FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LV7s66WKz3NvV X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.94), asn: 12021(-3.95), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:38:50 -0000 Is anyone on this list successfully running a multi DC active directory domain solely using samba on FreeBSD zfs? If so then how do you replicate sysvol and user roaming profiles? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 18:43:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5A12E7C84 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVFW43Zmz3PH1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DA522907; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n24VOPRZXKPA; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB38B228FC; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:43:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Tomasz CEDRO" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LVFW43Zmz3PH1 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.94), asn: 12021(-3.95), country: CA(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:43:43 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2020 14:12, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already > migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or > videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ > Run Firefox from the command line with -P. You may find that your previous version profile has been copied to another with some odd looking name. I have run across this in the past. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:02:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192B52E83C4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVgV1n28z3Qv7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id v12so12309564wrp.12 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rAuFKWlijmprUC6WnehDyr99++zRItdmHmZF9xUOE58=; b=Fv23vSDG01xpHouUtQk1yHhdIu9UJY07Z84MinVRweQZ/pfK9HUqGrHTUJ2/dPmZ3z xb0yMLG4ts7u6TURB0ahozxXW8CwxmQsjp6XIazRBkUEHdg/ZiThNXowIaoTqaOtGhwN 1rmXx9eVn5nf3RNlGtUZM15SW+NR/ebNxEMK4ZR+MyupGFyMT7BZ68JGwtgaCWnT583j PRHgKOQC6DfUyKrIW6foocvsfrUwWdrumXegKTMVy4LT1fatq894x7mC80iN/wrKU5gL jpIf+oqY4mO6EBzFi/924XcyJIYVlC1kXJ2FM0qCX4M/aS+5KNXLtUE7iuPMtLsqOZbX Sw2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rAuFKWlijmprUC6WnehDyr99++zRItdmHmZF9xUOE58=; b=ClGdlCVf695huIbJVYhQ5W6LIKSampD+deI4fI+9z7fDDXO6kmChjGejJNPa6yv7Od cpdlID2nx8FGGNWhlsF4VgNa/nMR8aKKCGyKmqSj34omG6xfviYtUba9IFjVehJiHgwO CmyyXgfPVVeeM1WY38MPgViv0W0Up2NBtkpXdGwjlbwAUCaZgcs2zpTrhpCjfGezyiaE 6vUj8x/Npoa3tOq1eTC3FTbtW1rVbbeU8sL4GwDVywjTd1o69TAebCo6BfqxKPgd5Cg0 zE0Ujj9uh7z+qglBELrAUc5L71cyWGSVFBMrAALLjQ1ihbeXBYI0/x2RUiSBCSfRLUEQ JADw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaGDc2yrq+VlD8Le3N2PpENI2NmKnsWFAVC7uCF+ZvinfRLFqRM Kr87Walp9fw2bMb+zBiVbnkL2pyc5WDKNuUMvH4nS6EB X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIoLw1/PkhhabpT2gYM/brbmXEapO3/JmHUMc43NzWBdiEHlWm2cLpq5BMMJHR95oqCox326Z4TGmtHOXvtlZU= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5388:: with SMTP id d8mr13144922wrv.242.1589223764463; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <75326c6f3c2846973b6a2ff0100a6e15.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox 76.0 videoconference problems To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LVgV1n28z3Qv7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Fv23vSDG; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::434) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.42)[ip: (-9.36), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:02:48 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:43 PM James B. Byrne wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2020 14:12, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > The problem is also 75 does not want to work with profile already > > migrated to 76 so I am cut of either browser settings or > > videofoncerencing. Smart move Firefox :\ > > Run Firefox from the command line with -P. You may find that your previous > version profile has been copied to another with some odd looking name. I have > run across this in the past. Thank you James! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:07:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575C2E8669 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from forward400o.mail.yandex.net (forward400o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LVnL6cM2z3RJf for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from mxback3q.mail.yandex.net (mxback3q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:39:0:640:4545:437c]) by forward400o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BB0FC14C0F8F for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback3q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id irfLyH6csi-7lUGNueP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.kz; s=mail; t=1589224067; bh=typ8cA2jhrjwSLQUZ8TKEKS4tP5Hl9P6Y1gzUWuKGuM=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=f4/ebjwtz0ffMq95GA3nDgSSZuib2OoN9OQ6/AmUMFA0njI4KI5JIm/1JoC58dBVW 2vpRbQkC/wDcGJfe1qK6YEDjtyKDljJFZLn8W1qqZL2mJ4hju8mQYl+stlxhmhHF94 bIUgShzdEq0CkUMcXkCwukWA1p/sgzL+OOKPAZxw= Received: by vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 From: Nikita Stepanov Envelope-From: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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PS. Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being filtered. Thank you! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: Polytropon Cc: Nikita Stepanov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:11:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LXCT2c9Rz42P9 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.22), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.41), asn: 16686(1.21), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.495,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.50)[0.502,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:12:06 -0000 On 2020-05-11 21:28, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 01:07:47 +0600, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> [nothing, again] > > The easiest way probably is to use the program mdf2iso to convert > the image to a standard ISO-9660 filesystem, and then mount that > filesystem, using a virtual node. > > # pkg install mdf2iso > # mdf2iso example.mdf example.iso > # mdconfig -a -u 100 -t vnode -f example.iso > # mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt > ... use /mnt ... > # umount /mnt > # mdconfig -d -u 100 > > Replace "example" with the correct filename; you can omit the > mdconfig parameter -u 100 and just use what mdconfig tells you. But if you don't omit it, you should presumably use /dev/md100 and not /dev/md0 in the mount command... > PS. > > Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. > Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being > filtered. Thank you! +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 20:30:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC82EABB1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "GoGetSSL RSA DV CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LXdB1731z456N for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=POybYL0E3Ep+M8hJIoXtGVrc5ncpEgt9RWA7JJ8Spv6GZ268X8ghmCZa2uMAhFrZF+ bH/Udol49ouxD7VWS8SyxGbv3l2c5XK5LW2HPnmLNvkm3yupxPlHlrjUqLsU6PSR3qaD WnwMFaM3b/HGaZzK+NgMAwAJpXO4SCzLQeXeM8q1esA/svsTn9rEcYFJ4KPhQ4mfYrK/ bCKOqj5edQtZV2tDGVqBnJWXOWmdntnPFOyX8fjHUokIZ/C5HyZe3Dk6OTrbkjLIR6mF +rrJblBbWLAi2H9gzMHH784leBuS2mQU8MHA5KD97NzfLRnq2IKlxAKwRywI3/cV26RE BWlQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1589229047; x=1589833847; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=ygUX0e5bX2s YHX8ywBhG1GJUeyCCNZh7i7RwDNBe+ZM=; b=poJ+FweRAU/7iFWYSfj0xqzSaP0 +e7erVHmn0bZzzAp4ObelxjWrTR0qTeUq9re/vwxxvU2MUzO8HzCckdT/WjxzhBx scYdSooa2Usiel7dxsW9Io+sHw8Cta9+K9A9HrOcN3qqqYIDC8W3x5vuVA9NV7Xi YbNwD9rPpm1AaVBA6d3fWWt7RKDqEL0dFOJxS/9azWsfxRFZqInj9PJf2pFPHeDU f05eDgVkq3iMbz6fV2LKsUXUfVVPpfd7bntrMWE+AKVbJyY0O+F4LaL1OvoadFYd rnW4prKBDmA0S1Q6aCheVVXLs3LYzHR6j0PdjVJoicUIANMbXfzFKYcmM7g== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:b8f9:359e:84da:90e9] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 2141915; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikita Stepanov References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:30:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060307000501010802020803" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LXdB1731z456N X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=radel.com header.s=20170108.radel header.b=poJ+FweR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=radel.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@radel.com designates 70.184.242.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@radel.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[radel.com:s=20170108.radel]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.831,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:70.184.242.160/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[radel.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[radel.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[radel.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.41)[asn: 22773(2.11), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.184.240.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:30:55 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060307000501010802020803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >> PS. >> >> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >> filtered. Thank you! > +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped down to nothing. 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Virtualbox freebsd guest supports 3d 2d acceleration? 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511153150.00002a15@seibercom.net> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <53596614-95ef-4891-388d-6f2abbc9bfd5@fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:26:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200511153150.00002a15@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYsZ0L9pz4D86 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:42 -0000 Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 01:07:47 +0600, Nikita Stepanov commented: > > Might I suggest that you write a complete description of what you are > attempting to accomplish, along with your FreeBSD version number and > any other pertinent information, in the body of your email. I strongly suspect the OP is in write-only mode as shown by their posts on forums and in bugzilla (this list as well). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:26:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCCE2ED437 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49LYsn35Czz4D9s for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a239:1a16:b4cf:c36d:843a:90c5] (unknown [172.58.140.98]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14CCB4E677 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:26:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:26:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYsn35Czz4D9s X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.140.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.322,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.38)[-0.378,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[ip: (0.40), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.20), asn: 160(0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:26:54 -0000 On 5/11/20 3:30 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >>> PS. >>> >>> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >>> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >>> filtered. Thank you! >> +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). > > Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I > believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in > cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped > down to nothing. > > Nikita's headers claim > > X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 > > about which I know nothing useful. > I remember first time (decades ago!) when I subscribed for technical mail list, I read very carefully mail list etiquette. I didn't find exactly the same document, but this one covers some of it: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette It sounds like OP never cared to read one of these, and doesn't care to listen to what he was told multiple times. I can't keep from mentioning: there is one item I partly disagree with the above document on: trimming. I actually have seen several times "creative trimming", which pretty much inverted what person whose text was partly trimmed actually said. The Etiquette document I've read contained variety of suggestions that are not in the document I mentioned above, which make really valid points. Just few of them: 1. do your own home work before asking question, you may not need bother busy people and will learn to find solution yourself which in itself is gratifying 2. When asking question, be concise, yet describe what you tried that didn't solve it (incidentally attempting to describe what you have done often enlightens you on other possibilities). By describing what you have done you demonstrate that you tried to do something, not just want someone else do what you need done. 3. Do not send bogus answers, like: "OK, will try". Just hold yourself, try, and then report success or failure. ... [last but one - my favorite failure, actually] Before sending message, take short break, switch to doing different thing, then re-read your message with fresh eyes, edit and send. [last]. Once problem was solved, take time to summarize what the problem was and how it was solved (and maybe what was tried that didn't work). Send summary, maybe by prepending subject with SOLVED. Note, experts (my way of calling people who help me, because they are!) spent time helping you, help them to avoid wasting time again on the same problem by briefly describing the solution that others will be able to find (you owe experts at least that, and now you started helping others!) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:27:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89E82ED5C0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LYtl5dGJz4DKT for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66076C0A8A; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqxvDN28RIlJ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 443B3C0942; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04BLRa0W058257 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 May 2020 23:27:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? To: Jon Radel References: <13534031589224067@vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200511212848.5c3b71be.freebsd@edvax.de> <2c21a31a-6b99-70e7-5c5e-3a4e375b790f@hedeland.org> <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nikita Stepanov From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <3bd15b2b-fe1b-7973-8180-42c321174e7f@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:27:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59d6e16c-c3bf-2f3f-aa93-d140a3687252@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LYtl5dGJz4DKT X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.22), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.41), asn: 16686(1.20), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.490,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.46)[0.461,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:27:44 -0000 On 2020-05-11 22:30, Jon Radel wrote: > On 5/11/20 16:11, Per Hedeland wrote: >> [Polytropon wrote - attribution snipped] >>> PS. >>> >>> Please be so kind and state your question in the message body. >>> Many recipients won't see your empty message because it's being >>> filtered. Thank you! >> +1 (but it will surely be ignored, again). > > Are we sure the OP doesn't have some MUA that believes in HTML *only*--I > believe the list only forwards the plain text variant of the message in > cases of multipart MIME, and I can see unfortunate email being stripped > down to nothing. That is entirely possible (I think it was hinted at in less precise terms in an earlier thread) - but presumably (s)he isn't *forced* to use such a "MUA", and if (s)he actually reads the replies to hir messages, it should be pretty obvious by now that the body of hir messages (if any) never reaches the list, which could reasonably be taken as a hint to try some other means of communication.... > Nikita's headers claim > > X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 > > about which I know nothing useful. Also (first Received: header of the initial message in this thread): Received: by vla4-d1c3bcedfacb.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:07:47 +0300 Probably some kind of web interface rather than an actual MUA. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 21:44:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4852EDF2E for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LZG619pbz4Frr for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.224.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1My2lr-1jBFYK0qGl-00zXDa; Mon, 11 May 2020 23:44:27 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:44:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Per Hedeland Cc: Nikita Stepanov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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Ah yes, that is of course correct; if no memory disk is in use yet, /dev/md0 will be the first unit you get, otherwise you can always specify a custom unit. You could even use the following, leveraging the fact that mdconfig will print the partial device name of the unit automatically assigned - you just need the /dev/ prefix to get the full path: # mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/`mdconfig -a -t vnode -f example.iso` /mnt Still, you'd need to find out _which_ unit you've been using so you can use mdconfig -d with the correct number. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 11 22:17:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ABF2EEAF4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lb0c6xqsz4HmD for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61509C4B46; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqH8ti_k-8WY; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B715DC43DD; Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04BMHmPC058384 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 00:17:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop To: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:17:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lb0c6xqsz4HmD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.190,0]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.40), asn: 16686(1.20), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.72)[-0.716,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[libero.it]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:17:54 -0000 On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote: > Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk, right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in an unbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from an earlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFI partition, but I may be wrong about that)... > nvd0 GPT layout: > nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partition > nvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partition > nvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partition > nvd0p4 512KB freebsd-boot > nvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /) > nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill) > nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /var > nvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as well > nvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr > .... > nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be able to dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in the uefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow" mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efi from the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI (case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi). 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:44:17 -0000 I have a Intel Core i5-3320M processor with integrated graphics, FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE, GENERIC Kernel. 1) Had a fresh install of FreeBSD, tried using built-in i915kms driver present in /boot/kernel. Used kld_list in /etc/rc.conf to load the driver. Screen blanked out after a few lines during boot (presumably right after the point the driver was loaded, until then I was getting lots of boot messages as usual). 2) Installed drm-legacy-kmod, and used the driver file that it provided, i.e., /boot/modules/i915kms.ko. Same result as before. 3) Installed xorg-minimal. Executed startx command. Blank screen. Had to reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp was suggested in some forums to return to tty, but didn't work). 4) Installed xorg. Installed xf86-video-intel. startx worked perfectly. Read the Xorg.0.log in /var/log/, seems intel driver was loaded and was used without any problems. 5) Tried to do a `kldload i915kms` in xterm, it said it had already been loaded into the kernel. This meant that xorg could load and use i915kms, but I possibly could only load it but not "use" it to view my tty. 6) Couldn't view other ttys using Ctrl-Alt-XX shortcut. When I tried to do so, the screen stayed the same but the windows in the window manager went out of focus. 7) I guessed that I did enter another terminal, but simply couldn't see the prompts. So I mentally assumed there was a login prompt and went ahead. I typed out my login stuff and pressed enter. Then I assumed there was a prompt infront of me and entered a command to start another xorg session. Note: Till now, I am still looking at the TWM xterm windows that are out of focus, not at a text console. 8) I execute startx infront of this mental virtual console. Voila. Another xorg session is started at ttyv10 (the original was at ttyv9), indicating that the terminal was there, but it simply wasn't visible and that I could switch to them by using Ctrl-Alt-XX. What's happening? Why can't I use i915kms to view my tty? Why is xorg able to use it? PS: When the screen goes blank while loading i915kms, I think its simple not able to display the tty's contents. So if I do my "mental" trick there and continue as if everything was there, will it work? I am going to try it now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 06:41:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86152E416B for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lp9T5Qq1z3JPM for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04C6fAA1012039 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 08:41:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Samba on FreeBSD To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <646c0749-d067-b0ea-1997-01b14f8cd811@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:41:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18ad98add547504091be20642a02d53f.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lp9T5Qq1z3JPM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.93)[ip: (-8.97), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-4.48), asn: 30722(3.79), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:41:18 -0000 On 2020-05-11 20:38, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > Is anyone on this list successfully running a multi DC active directory domain Yes. > solely using samba on FreeBSD zfs? Ugh, no then... one DC is on ZFS, the other on UFS (probably becoming ZFS in the future, but with no time plan). > If so then how do you replicate sysvol Cron + rsync. > and user roaming profiles? I don't. They are on one separate fileserver. bye av. 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RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[115.22.41.203.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-3.43)[ip: (-9.77), ipnet: 203.40.0.0/13(-4.45), asn: 1221(-2.92), country: AU(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:03:10 -0000 Hi Ede, Something like this might help, where you construct: /import/src /import/ports then on as needed basis, you can mount_nullfs /import/src /usr/src mount_nullfs /import/ports /usr/ports I have something like this when I'm using one source (for src and ports) on a virtual disk under virtualbox (on Win) across multiple VM's. This also means I don't have to fiddle with variables. Cheers. On 9/05/2020 5:04 am, Ede Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > As the title implies, I would like to move everything src/build related > from /usr to a different folder, let's call it /import. And since it > won't be mounted permanently, I'd rather like not to use links. That would certainly work, but it's ugly. > > So I am looking for a more clean way of archiving this, but currently I am having trouble to find a > comprehensive list of the variables, that would need to be set, and more over, where the proper place woulf be, to do so. > More often than not it is not /etc/make.conf > > For MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX it is src-env.conf, but what about the others? > > SRCDIR, PORTSDIR, WRKDIRPREFIX, DISTFILES, WRKSRC? Is that list correct and/or complete? > > Is there any documentation providing a decent overview of the > environment (base as well as ports)? Or maybe anyone is running this > kind of setup as well? > > Thanks for helping out > > Ede > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 07:06:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9603F2E4A5D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-18-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lpk62zJRz3KVZ for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-31-134.iol.local ([10.101.8.180]) by smtp-18.iol.local with ESMTPA id YOzLjulgp74wTYOzLj6AYG; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:06:03 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=N5ZX6F1B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=QA8ACeNzLsNFfyXXxgATbw==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=_yevK9wwAAAA:8 a=mIexhTlqXgXqUyGwP1sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=QCj3g80VS2wd9d6ItcEr:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:06:03 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Per Hedeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: fH+90ut1bWDnhR54U9KnxT36I3V9nmTHCuCHherMBkg= x-libjamv: IWy7zE7Io2M= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOwj6eyR4iwN1NI0+IYe1D2dZoEML7+PlCnTZyAI3lOR8L1Zue90NoLuprejJgEhTJWfxNmCWK+Os9WL4+g2I/Xa4xQDi+8Zv94wbfCn07nwV1JuWg2H HGNiq7rP+WhaiyGB9Tbg8HZzmm3azBirpkA3UDqdSqHyU4Rz1EeJOvvn7sUD4PsQqzX7yfIh5jj8Il2jsszHY0A3ERWIkq1Jz1GLxkSstYYi+Lgh8Hf158ZC X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lpk62zJRz3KVZ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.73), asn: 8660(-2.98), country: IT(0.03)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[18.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[18.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:08 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: > > On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. > I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... > > nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. > It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. > --Per Hedeland Good night, I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 07:27:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECC92E5073 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LqBV0PqLz3LS8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04C7R1jB080456 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1589268421; bh=5fsj81hXAUgxxEAimLKMXAbPLdFB9jsGjPrX0n9WCws=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=KKuukTbzBeoRxRDE2BXZ+LI7Pl04sE8Itu9bMmgRNktzVOVccj7Kg/8YlZBMVMcBM teO25F2Aum9cx1CbWVKyOjv4Szif0ThWCPlSNHwBRoElXUoOF8b1syvZv7OmXgGft2 +klOcaiqom15ZLiO5qkhz8tSbNOiEIeJDzDUeVk0VELoO4qNnrKkHozg1yuLyibKlO jqpeinVAsvWs7h3p82S6NRe3l2Mx+KLjidjUDfHgdCpqTLwvQxJAbBJkELJz4R/Q05 h5fmMrh98Oe7w7zCEIUCyfOfxDnZCa9D8bCTkOjWCxkb5wRyN8DTdqooZUrieN7Zw2 ++Eh++rXUAbnQ== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 04C7R16t080453; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Vishal Subramanyam cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LqBV0PqLz3LS8 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=KKuukTbz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.10)[ip: (-8.39), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.35), asn: 224(-0.74), country: NO(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:27:15 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 00:43+0530, Vishal Subramanyam wrote: > I have a Intel Core i5-3320M processor with integrated graphics, FreeBSD > 12.1-RELEASE, GENERIC Kernel. > 1) Had a fresh install of FreeBSD, tried using built-in i915kms driver present > in /boot/kernel. Used kld_list in /etc/rc.conf to load the driver. Screen > blanked out after a few lines during boot (presumably right after the point > the driver was loaded, until then I was getting lots of boot messages as > usual). > 2) Installed drm-legacy-kmod, and used the driver file that it provided, i.e., > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko. Same result as before. > 3) Installed xorg-minimal. Executed startx command. Blank screen. Had to > reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp was suggested in some forums to return to tty, but > didn't work). > 4) Installed xorg. Installed xf86-video-intel. startx worked perfectly. Read > the Xorg.0.log in /var/log/, seems intel driver was loaded and was used > without any problems. > 5) Tried to do a `kldload i915kms` in xterm, it said it had already been > loaded into the kernel. This meant that xorg could load and use i915kms, but I > possibly could only load it but not "use" it to view my tty. > 6) Couldn't view other ttys using Ctrl-Alt-XX shortcut. When I tried to do so, > the screen stayed the same but the windows in the window manager went out of > focus. > 7) I guessed that I did enter another terminal, but simply couldn't see the > prompts. So I mentally assumed there was a login prompt and went ahead. I > typed out my login stuff and pressed enter. Then I assumed there was a prompt > infront of me and entered a command to start another xorg session. Note: Till > now, I am still looking at the TWM xterm windows that are out of focus, not at > a text console. > 8) I execute startx infront of this mental virtual console. Voila. Another > xorg session is started at ttyv10 (the original was at ttyv9), indicating that > the terminal was there, but it simply wasn't visible and that I could switch > to them by using Ctrl-Alt-XX. > What's happening? Why can't I use i915kms to view my tty? Why is xorg able to > use it? > PS: When the screen goes blank while loading i915kms, I think its simple not > able to display the tty's contents. So if I do my "mental" trick there and > continue as if everything was there, will it work? I am going to try it now. Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: kern.vty="vt" Try using absolute pathnames and load /boot/modules/drm.ko ahead of /boot/modules/i915kms.ko in /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" -- Trond. 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:43 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020, Trond Endrest?l wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 00:43+0530, Vishal Subramanyam wrote: > Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: > > kern.vty="vt" > > Try using absolute pathnames and load /boot/modules/drm.ko ahead of > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko in /etc/rc.conf: > > kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" I actually solved the problem just before I saw your reply. I was using syscons, and when I read some of the boot messages, I saw a few lines about kern.vt.* under the i915kms driver. I realised what had happened and changed the console driver. Thanks for your reply. But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use syscons? 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:13:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk" --KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from > Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox > / FreeBSD. >=20 > It worked fine on Hangouts. I can still see my camera and microphone > activity. I cannot see anyone video nor audio, they cannot see and > hear me. >=20 > I am sure this is the Brave New World of "change is good" so if > anything works we need to destroy it :-( >=20 > Never used and will not use MS Teams.. but I had to use Zoom once. On > Chrome recently camera stared working but audio is choppy and > disappears just as you describe with MS Teams. On Firefox it never > worked. I have old separate Android Nexus phone for this crap. >=20 > On the other hand if Hangouts and Open-Source JITSI Meet works fine on > both Frefox and Chrome on FreeBSD so where is the problem? >=20 > I feel like its early 90's not really 2020 :-( >=20 > Best regards, > Tomek Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on linuxulator :) Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the problem and how to debug that. --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --KZbSHV1Z4NlHafoaAX6NLly4DeSPPVDIk-- --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66aK0ACgkQ95cXLotf KhnexAgAkNMEAxcHNadzCda3/s3GtecsjkJEAAnpYG+sbu9hhnkL6Y68S1+l8tSu gjtucqekBcFcba/wXClLaDKYD7aT6mXZ8ShUk+cgikxFakp1dpibWqqwfyq4IueK 6/NW6JDmCoRZv68njRYLb5iqVpItWpXKvk7zt5WikUlEh6n/6WR0D4RxIouHsmge 2Gq/2VKF2hNbxLjy7oH+u+181GhrgyH27EWAOjy6zFn7g5HdUp2EslrR7Nx0sjGx q1L+zgfwq1q5+EKHNek0di58IcA09AGHvi1KM4bQ858C80O0YOHVgW4Sn9L4iTbl VoQzfiN6r5FYvzbC+puziC4vaPutoA== =aFMV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SyZZUNilKstfnRDfg7DkzMDraznrNrLIP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:26:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AFE2E7B8F for ; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29809b03-1caf-d15e-cb25-12c3c69fc52e@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dzGQKEYUPPBX2cySRVAZ4bY7ODj0ad6ae" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lsqy4Dw3z3xYK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=suszko.eu header.s=dkim header.b=EQckWgVF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=suszko.eu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of maciej@suszko.eu designates 2001:41d0:2:8316::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maciej@suszko.eu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suszko.eu:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.38)[ipnet: 2001:41d0::/32(4.90), asn: 16276(1.99), country: FR(-0.00)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:26:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dzGQKEYUPPBX2cySRVAZ4bY7ODj0ad6ae Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1FINlWVDI0it2Cz4EHkV9H0RmZjhc8pdZ" --1FINlWVDI0it2Cz4EHkV9H0RmZjhc8pdZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/10/20 6:15 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 09/05/2020 12:50, Polytropon wrote: >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 A VM with a suitable "Windows" is often the best solution. =E2= =80=A6 >=20 > +1 however I can not use VirtualBox effectively for Teams meetings. >=20 > FreeBSD bug: >=20 > 245641 =E2=80=93 emulators/virtualbox-ose guest crashes whilst running = some > types of application with webcam or audio input on USB > USB support for VirtualBox on FreeBSD is poor - there is no passthrough binary module - Oracle has never released extension pack. 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FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100057b2942.c68cab2718010f3ad33a4372bf495587@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:22 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:08 +0530 (IST) Ekalavya wrote: > But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written > just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, > considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use > syscons? It isn't the Intel driver so much as the KMS (Kernel Mode Switching) subsystem which is supported by vt along with UTF-8 support, graphics modes, missing 80x24 and a bunch of other features that aren't in syscons. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:44:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B8E2E8866 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LtDr39Zfz40RH for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MBmI6-1jOUks3Tie-00C8Zi; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: Vishal Subramanyam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512114414.0966d83c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FqH9xa1RZHqrBrHEbkdkcTGRtUy7ZGM+p0v/4GXZXMU0tXZgWk0 yMvHv/v5Lb2g8NewAA0PiS8grHyVByzHT9+Kg7wtUvCGom5Jjv73hA24fAdRgOCM+c3PTDi a5InUbxdlJSfQ2LzDQpXF55trBSTOxR+N3LYDmmisImaWYIj3dNXzilPiqPChTFytDaFc4P FoumLxXT2v+ev8LGdCS7w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ymxpfrZqD3A=:xkn9Fnyhf21TXeElO64A8t jpxhz9iybhIskWevW9FnLCInsSBweFTx0ztVag5hr+uoyflyI95henNL3qVkA9EhZlm5KiDbq Dj/h9WYPBcOO/IJcgBE8jIlDpWLxx/sRxQzkFYCO8fxpNegXnFGimusxysC7/0eYAIH/EReUo ZEkOAUgy0ClerT5mHWmPPHin3hlvFTw9a21eGaqzPzw4zlQ1H4r0TrTaFIMfUDYg+vR1S9TEx d94YaisVLwdI7rsQVOJhiq0/WmJlfUU8nD6zqKzsYMHU3CIkUnjQZE3WHx++3nQrF9bALdNc2 XvvsPnW6Ag0jrEtu3R6Sr+0wI/ghdLImZZVmokJ4OCEgFzdk0RcuyrMcHoGcwFkxsUXPb9RX3 Gsy8tNOl62xuKG70xfiIlW5wHhr3Mk+USm5hj6lLSnfx5QH0gjaAWvJCr6QZCzSSvY3IrQOfC cKkmQx+6aQyumdvsMsCAW8WaRWJnQa7Oddg+t38fwNYaE2OZHlsbMzizPxeeZDnTVkxJ1N/Le KzlzHcQkrEUbTm3nanWP7Wot1Q27p/mPrveJJ/r3eHb1heuTQJJY2QRD9/2qDHU1Il4Qq4e94 6tyPb0n2sUoF2v0r/tpk2u15im/wyiyMEV0EcCGOoLU8xDEtQ51fAhnxHHonLRQWuf0WJ7mYN Yi5h/m/W/D+eoJT2naNycTfcLv8QCPz3YedCB8vBt+9Vgb7pAzbanPVNTJDExAtu7wvtbyvVU EZOekktC0g3KGXXn5xae8e0r3uU42Ns+WwIgqgIXH6shia3wRlt8uPQULAPP6vv4sm6eH3OYL Hah7W7WnWSh+bXwu5CvG8rZU+irDUPsVSgwxczeSlGCvaiD7CSuLY+RWf0JEpmNBaZB8aYe X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LtDr39Zfz40RH X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.74 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.34)[ip: (-0.57), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.31), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.995,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.996,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:29 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:27:01 +0200 (CEST), Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > Make sure you use the vt console, in /boot/loader.conf: >=20 > kern.vty=3D"vt" This already is the default in FreeBSD 12.1. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 09:51:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5412E8D31 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LtNx1MhTz40pq for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M58OQ-1jZY1p400a-001AmK; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:51:18 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:51:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ekalavya Cc: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512115117.06ca8148.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NHKK6uC2hLK58pFiCgWBez4OkLblyap5hXI6cQgzOwCECmxc/uX R45xgUQ7pgFYKlVSXMwmhrFoasWFba5rypONybCrT58mwoJiHhMu04y4c5rQK2APHhrLdUP QNpWvkUPJSQLiKJxCfMASx7jQroRFpe+D4OrwBC0LY3jVvAxfGR/jai0qrb7NQ8RuALo0Hq iRipR25EPfpTvN6WC4Ydg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bsphT5BTFPg=:GSpNJiyQO02lJtbNq/NuUR q0oBaN7yEMLiBIU4nWnXjOuKJAMi+QInZ439D8gYy1Bz/2wg8by6R+Wg3FJHju8K4oGNTF9ug xDK2glcPw7E2Pm7hS4Jiz2ktLSv6Y/AF92ihFxac4oE7oUguPWltMDm6LBjHuMGjVly5QQnZG qkHuyGJNtwaaSsMumPhjd3mhHa6GjYuwZeBluvugnftRspFSaYRerFHuSqv/lvXcfD8QE3jEz E3uU/S+3RPS0U1W7GqYbHJSJNBOgC/cd+G51oisTYxW+BqlpOko+VU7RYv700L3lTAwQugeoQ atf38EAuuPgaHNXfAhtFDPUhdu4lD4wXxu4rGmsmAuA9f71MXK7qmCZNX+k9AADSltwvvs4KO zcS4HjRYXICEmyN6/xviMd/GOsWdfZeTX0Xh/8c8WBJ5YhVrWLqzjcZjsWGcsnucMKtDuaJ9K P4gFIybzN+jrOsk6cOL8NT7Nz98eEXrhipONqPfSspRARQUkh7C/LAyHXsXyEmtnYlqeZFikM gW8rPHKaGnuznUXqO5T0d+RlWyJ7tSzpS7Nxf/WK5GadKtQaYwymFsAzoy3+pPhmUMuLnRW/F zjLcp09rq+AjZpHyJd/xzW6NPaz5izHp1j0t1XNeL9L6+dHxdEwlBjiiaXb9rLb72/C/Q+Qxc 6nDAZYYI1yH2HBDKYSJs0giYXmop57RubsnuzdBLOmXHqp7GNiEuH9Dtu1qWTOD8be9Cb2d8f tG+8GOl8mHenLTsCaxpahjgamWunbkdGyopeUQQmv99FjYVwUaHQuIJQoNnOgGIO6dmzoh/za /PDEqLE2O5BsJ3jOBGEqbNWm8csH9oI25OY/co/4uy9dXKljBlsKL8tU6FE+W8OeXBoWv2z X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LtNx1MhTz40pq X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.82 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[73.192.72.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.42)[ip: (-0.17), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.31), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:51:30 -0000 Allow me a short addition: On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:19:08 +0530 (IST), Ekalavya wrote: > I actually solved the problem just before I saw your reply. I was using > syscons, and when I read some of the boot messages, I saw a few lines > about kern.vt.* under the i915kms driver. I realised what had happened > and changed the console driver. Thanks for your reply. > > But still, I don't understand why the i915kms driver would be written > just for the vt console driver. Why is the intel driver limited to vt, > considering a lot of people (and the handbook, for instance) often use > syscons? "Nobody" uses syscons (sc) anymore, as vt became the default. Sure, it cannot do everything sc could do (for decades, in the proper, predictable, and expected way), and there are significant limitations and inconveniences (screen size definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed (for example, xf86-video-intel). Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still possible with kern.vty="sc" in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:04:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66" --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: [ c u t ] > Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing and > support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my stuff" = or > "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we would not have s= uch > problems like the videoconferencing just showed up two days ago. >=20 > I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand and= > push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a bit of > support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works but I send = good > wishes so it happens :-) I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's fair. The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD.= --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --K4SVSBbdbU1D38phlaF0bQXWH7HKI6w66-- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66dKsACgkQ95cXLotf KhmGZwf/QGC/Hsx8Ko/qbfCaSgu7uLAu4ebC+Ptlib23W8SGM6e+pK7e8o/SQyVD r904EMmnQQHfFdd4yJdY12nm3WXCrLsl4yct3cfUjWC6qHvj9DhDY9HgVc8W5rl0 pTM190tHKe41aZrHq0jEjWfT0geZAuCMHzHwgDfSlyKXPIpuBDvHmEcBtoTjui5e 6er4p6Cwc+VFYxzNUbti2ujo5b1pDy6rU+q4i8MvdR3QVpBYmB12BXR/UL98DFPV fxoM7BkzQngaS10jUXgYoQTFrMqhQ68a2XM6AMwsKxclALDr5+5E9uEaAYvMWqg1 uqNn1qsKjpdPrND7EM1XcrMiZBARCw== =A75H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RPTcJGmajTOqSaZmP6enTHlj9jSYLJ44n-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 10:15:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EB62E95D2 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x843.google.com (mail-qt1-x843.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::843]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ltwx350cz42BB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x843.google.com with SMTP id x12so10518372qts.9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=IYaAA/7NCxZwNkTKIvSQ1jxV+Fnr8tqdnNTutAu5QV0=; b=RzGIgN//atJPgIYIGv+qKM4UDvOtRb2n4UhSVrxW21eBwuQ8nCJlvBUa66Qi9JJGCq JgRF/iGezTM4OZJArPzoi+cq5KhtkDnKasP4D00Tu3g3v53PTmM6oMb5tuW5RYuUaeqM MkJt6v/y23pdknIwl45M0HOKWJMMoYVqvSkD8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=IYaAA/7NCxZwNkTKIvSQ1jxV+Fnr8tqdnNTutAu5QV0=; b=dKa8QEuVrBsHxaLBKPcp5sjq5eQ7MEz40B45hM8orwd8FdSDtQzY/h/FfRN4FVjy+6 FzJ1SQWMB1kREYZ/er5RYhMvlWHcNAu9xIbQw0ONWSELb4LqUv0OQrBZjfk0BHXKoBve VfKiOQXoq2qlcqWxudL4lmZhaaurUsoF7seDBcI8wy0Kfb07q1GLIM0ZJZ68eUOxrzqg f84AngxsGgPAwOdlfg+LmJclQpC9tAtZFbv5gGL0tcI77eHpdi23eOjt7q2uLn8is35m AgUD/ODc8AspYnyHwQUerqNCEA+qiQyTZlVxJ4tIZFXOb2B+N67sNUs27c+H+KDCLm63 asGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530CRkQie85Fn/EKZRK9d7kI1nVJWysRb/n1XWm0AAwHFtfoIjMF PitBMovpVVWlLbCXswU2ImK1ljSv8fk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWNauznztz8hKh91nIm9mGy7ZoOXMW2T6j6SYgA6VqF3rNrz1LPKqFHpDKcHzzFAxaaeM6EQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:554c:: with SMTP id o12mr5009152qtr.89.1589278543859; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm12293673qty.41.2020.05.12.03.15.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 03:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Ltws44r7z1V6t for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:15:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/pzvsOOKIJr/ty3D/Gz8gIjR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Ltwx350cz42BB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=RzGIgN//; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::843 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:15:46 -0000 --Sig_/pzvsOOKIJr/ty3D/Gz8gIjR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 11:13:10 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from >> Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox >> / FreeBSD. >>=20 >> It worked fine on Hangouts. I can still see my camera and microphone >> activity. I cannot see anyone video nor audio, they cannot see and >> hear me. >>=20 >> I am sure this is the Brave New World of "change is good" so if >> anything works we need to destroy it :-( >>=20 >> Never used and will not use MS Teams.. but I had to use Zoom once. On >> Chrome recently camera stared working but audio is choppy and >> disappears just as you describe with MS Teams. On Firefox it never >> worked. I have old separate Android Nexus phone for this crap. >>=20 >> On the other hand if Hangouts and Open-Source JITSI Meet works fine >> on both Frefox and Chrome on FreeBSD so where is the problem? >>=20 >> I feel like its early 90's not really 2020 :-( >>=20 >> Best regards, >> Tomek =20 > >Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop >and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards >one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run >Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible >in most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I >bet on linuxulator :) > >Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official >communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some >situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the >problem and how to debug that. I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have you tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? I have already made a request that has receive some support for a FreeBSD specific version of Teams. The created one for at least Debian, so I assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours appears to be. By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to the trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run the real one and get all of the benefits. 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Hi Poly/Ekalavya, Perhaps I should add that while X needs kern.vty set to vt, setting the variable to sc disables X but enables text-mode screensavers. I have a pure text-mode FreeBSD installation on one of my disks and I quite enjoy the Logo saver therein. 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MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:45:28 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020, Polytropon wrote: > definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system > that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, > the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of > course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed > (for example, xf86-video-intel). > > Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still > possible with > > kern.vty="sc" > > in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. I don't think you are quite right about this. A system that runs X doesn't have to run vt. If you read my initial post, you will notice that I was using syscons _and_ running xorg. Also the xf8-video-intel driver is optional, per the many docs/forum posts I read online. But in my case I installed it because the Xorg.0.log said that Xorg couldn't load the appropriate intel driver. But the point to be noted is that X worked fine even without the xf8-video-intel driver. Thank you for your time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:04:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADBE2EA66D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lw0h5Qjlz44PD for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MXoxG-1jbtZ01IHU-00YBQa; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:04:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:04:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ekalavya Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot load intel driver(i915kms) without screen blanking out Message-Id: <20200512130402.7a001605.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200512115117.06ca8148.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1FhCoIBiYros7GzTRDW04pO9UFL5EyWUAsQD/eqWx4UQrDI/GZb 6xIu298MH3kV8A/F4ZxGoZLN4BViQp2eUGnGYU4T2a5C4uQv9l5AGQ5d1X6WnDY0ZZvzjPX o0xGWYw0l4P46alh6+aK45aug8TGs4hSzXuQYn/DUbWPdhV7SpDdSALudOFPfJi5miIN3HO iQAph8+weWhl6Z3k4tGlA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lZKQYoxf+Q8=:/jRnZM/X9zPUFMXTiViuE7 EDNT+b6+NxW9xZxpOPF6guj9AMDfDeYlythOwsmap/mtmS/6cq5FXG05g0YkwbvUdt10JcFzc 895iB8q+18Dxqr93NBikkYwpkUtch+P3Pr3DEYKcF7Bg8H3ZYiJFU5dys4VZwtZPJUB+7vWMw tLgxDSs5er9SqLPDUe48ZbaRTJrla36EAJ4DOyA8Ogaan/SbO8G2nbxYXsjwgQjsBovPzY3tI jqKT8RlaDMX27sJ/dPsqcFaavxdZxwdn3Cq6VU3YtNsjxKZi0yLbqHexv4QMczpgdlP5CYOPj Nbm97Ij++Yq/ymfa9DzDmrh9zmlDv1SCV/dzk57TsjEQyLCWj/KR6C9Mb3ZOC8Dyguq54necd uGTeXH86yFjIqfOeeF5e1SpK7PsYdq/qhQroqZfY7awH/aCUxtEqig8kggsbU0dUDTpyGhbva 8HUFhjQ0jmSW8E83C+H3qgVqLgadOw7q04HQTdqY+UYWMBCvoBYkC+5iN/wegzpytqNymYty7 VNWEfJrE8aIuU6azOHQ6L7VaxCM0GX/svTEYCHTzqM9OQ4a+tLNGz9xDO2b7kpH27TC1k0H4K PV6NVvgX9IJl651Y8/UyVE2ntiBwRu2aIFHSAmIi4WZBFD6Ih22AOp4Y2lLdFEjnA+z4NFPob syFDQLZKIBgm1xcazobhHK4BGd+NZIzcmeJrQ945eLhxr3s/9RhU0TumXRa1VNz5lIETZ5EOk KWsdmlGpAnnkgLnIkNe1duwV88EYWOl/fD6UmzGAHhtNFwIgfm5MCG2KySWzcaT5tlAO2tbh9 wHHgDrAFMh9HJ6uojMrgFyt64X4Yy3Y38kL+d/ilQl+Ir6RrLqAgkCFEW3IilAPd5GgR2zb X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lw0h5Qjlz44PD X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[ip: (-0.49), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.962,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.967,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:04:06 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 10:41:38 +0530 (IST), Ekalavya wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 May 2020, Polytropon wrote: > > definition, font selection, colors etc.), but any system > > that runs X will also have to use vt. In addition to vt, > > the correct DRM module usually has to be loaded, plus of > > course the appropriate driver for X needs to be installed > > (for example, xf86-video-intel). > > > > Only for systems that do _not_ run X, choosing sc is still > > possible with > > > > kern.vty="sc" > > > > in /boot/loader.conf, changing the default setting from vt. > > I don't think you are quite right about this. A system that runs X > doesn't have to run vt. If you read my initial post, you will notice > that I was using syscons _and_ running xorg. Thanks for the hint - I just looked at the handbook, and it must have been updated. So it probably is possible to use sc again, and still be able to use X on the same system? That would be really great! The manual states at 5.4.1. no. 4: On some older versions of FreeBSD, the system console must be set to vt(4) before switching back to the text console will work properly. See Section 5.4.3, "Kernel Mode Setting (KMS)". However, there is a KMS problem pointed out in 5.4.2: Older versions of FreeBSD use sc(4), which is not aware of the KMS system. The end result is that after closing X, the system console is blank, even though it is still working. The newer vt(4) console avoids this problem. I think this is what you've been experiencing with the "invisible console session". :-) Sources: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons > Also the xf8-video-intel driver is optional, per the many docs/forum > posts I read online. But in my case I installed it because the > Xorg.0.log said that Xorg couldn't load the appropriate intel driver. > But the point to be noted is that X worked fine even without the > xf8-video-intel driver. Maybe the thing with the appropriate driver is more important when you need 3D acceleration, especially with ATI / AMD and nVidia cards, whereas regular Intel cards or APUs seem to be fine for the usual desktop, and therefore X uses the interface to the kernel modules instead of its own driver. There's a lot of change going on in FreeBSD and X related to graphics, so what works today might break tomorrow. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t67sm10869554qka.17.2020.05.12.04.11.25 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Lw984FwFz1V9y for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lw9C5q34z44cp X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=GMSm71Vk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::744 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:11:28 -0000 --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 12:04:27 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/8/20 10:46 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >[ c u t ] > >> Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing >> and support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my >> stuff" or "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we >> would not have such problems like the videoconferencing just showed >> up two days ago. >>=20 >> I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand >> and push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a >> bit of support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works >> but I send good wishes so it happens :-) =20 > >I do not insist using Open Source or open standards everywhere, I'm not >idealist. The problem with Microsoft is they tell everyone you can you >their services over the web, which is not true... I pay for the service >but can't use it - that's sick. I would understand if desktop >application would be the only solution to use the service, but it's >not. Why MacOS is supported and everything can work here? Same case >with Netflix - I pay for the service, it's web-based but there is no >DRM plugins for our environment, so you can't use it. If there would >be an app and that would be the only way to use the service - it's >fair. > >The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, >is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary >to people? I'm sure this is the best community willing to help, but I'm >also sure there is plenty of Linuxism in our world and it can be the >problem.... Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for >software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for >FreeBSD. As for the first part of your question, are you using? I assume you did check out this URL: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/get-clients It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. Maybe FreeBSD did something to piss Google off. I don't know or care. The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. To address the second portion of your post, I had a telephone conversation several years ago with a technician from 'Brother USA.' Yes, it regarded printer support. I wanted to know precisely why they wrote drivers, etcetera for Linus, Debian, Mac, and I think one other besides mobile. In any case, he told me he uses Linux at home and likes it. He went on to say to me that writing for FreeBSD is not easy because: 1) They don't follow standards. I assume he meant 'Linux" standards, so I didn't press the issue. 2) He claimed that the expense of maintaining a complete set of tools for FreeBSD would not be cost-effective. He said that it had been determined that FreeBSD was too much of a niche operation to make it profitable. 3) He also went on to say that FreeBSD, when compared to Microsoft or Linux or MAC, was considered too decentralized. While I realize that your problem does not pertain to printer support, I believe my answer does, at least to some extent, attempt to address your concerns. As I stated in a previous reply to one of your posts, if you are willing to create a detailed report of the problems you are having and the applications you are using, version numbers, etcetera, I will be happy to forward it onto the MS Teams technical support crew, assuming you do not want to do so yourself. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl66hFUACgkQOHMGOIfe xWROmwf+M16q62zLa7osBz5SCpFLBmENVW/T3SaOL2I2RapqXcfqaFWiawfcHQvN 0JpsO0Grc4tRym1VOvtELtrmcIluMeNuC2cBSC0GyuN9qXI6oH5UUMbFuQvs3rZE WO5FU9qHxG6Gesqpcez0tdJVkRitrA1oHmGQ9nZ7DG8nfU9EI0b6jH6Y70dDqYXw ELnRiXTn6H/hEbKzCjdzjl/Szz2mKZ0VyrpZsQJIf7mewPLf/Q0Arxz4IxNCuOSN a4UOczco0Yxv5o2qpYyKpRS8urkRNsa/+v6II3L4Z2tKfjZYmRJORhf3AqrYPtoW /oyoJat5Y1IB//zmkzZQMwdejXC+Kw== =fzGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/e.i5Utht.+t7TnX7NAqb1Ry-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:16:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389942EAC22 for ; 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d=suszko.eu; s=dkim; t=1589282160; bh=jjxAtu1LTucDht4otlnsfv7darCpl0PS9B8wS40tqrI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dBFSwE92u5QUdN86Go9AO4BNfOlgeaaDvENJRl6Hyi5VlJgNMnEe9duvWLdPqV3J0 EJ3owyr3ILmKyoD7qKJuSJ8lIj9viwXJkS0rmA2GnsF1bByDy3gZg6Rg4PIBajpXos r61Tl/eMgcDruY4ID16cBcLcyfDcg6oNMU/PqAzg= Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> From: Maciej Suszko Autocrypt: addr=maciej@suszko.eu; keydata= mQENBFzMuVABCADTImD6lLLoxdskJypDlDvu7ilbbluXdJiZ8+hcb/WzZXD+fKn3h01BtJYN p4IuX2fn9Rc94GXanuJl0/AlguQexgUgOKdiqDHZyCjRX42vIq0BKXkvK6Gd2wUYqbhjyzr1 V0WT9qTxVlHEbPUCQJ6QxQA2ygJNdwKPvnKwlrj6NWskmpycM3/3uIHhVrRWsrO9El/o2mRX JeIVV0BzP0lYLYhpuwMAlu+B8lPxVChuVQb6UWzLIvSGfqXUPnAxJXcZxkFyEnnetnXctrKC NGnRYPop3r7kd2MgkvHgw81aVMf7HqXhxBBQq0kUrg9TCsL9wwQfyPR7LDgQrIFP78WZABEB AAG0IE1hY2llaiBTdXN6a28gPG1hY2llakBzdXN6a28uZXU+iQFRBBMBCAA7AhsDBQsJCAcC BhUKCQgLAgQWAgMBAh4BAheAAhkBFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAlzMupkACgkQ 95cXLotfKhmWYAf/e9JHkUxoVHj6LsOS9YLM+XFZzeRM93K3t9gzpWalIvEAIMKicO0KFypl XXGiSc9ECeZNEwd+VfU6AmL707dQpJiBe13X++PC5Lps/S8WMtZRtmd2vbaIcHixzimBdvi1 hPcTPJjIPEQon2BwwFxId4tzx56qglrwFovZfFZV7U0+qZjvwh+UI9ZKbNgOndkdJf1Hld0I R4PIEQ3H5IIaKoFcNBaXB6fWqR19e8gidBeZRbMszYiaGGtltv+OKuqXxGUTA7siVCxaY9U4 Z2TJi0BvsBbaDyDjMw3/xQCd0vNtJ5TNI5kuUaPf1tPFGzC/Hcwru5iri7K3U4/BNH+izbkB DQRczLlQAQgAlhC1oZUt2fdgCpjLWVEPj8sc1uqoyiicW/oGDirXqyJKRfPn6vWI5W7otBOY NSJyISNi7IuXRcRnSVkWGf5w4nOO1PFRgxWvVd8LgJ2T6ykA8oqYNN6opwcyvDTQwC+cVOYl f1Mbmz3Lg9bmMvbBu5P9w/raxV2A6Q9Hq7eSvHbfiyR5S8CBZ3Al9cYd8tp7mZXQuyShxNKJ s59K1BU5JMKvRhX1jVS0x4XFtZSU536UtPj/IAV4LGaDaZGUsWHfyeaG94/ZmTtuYmuGqchH u0clClnHCmkv+CcIMBHeSp4CVjq9o7BHYdFSXE+An8XoOycNo0am9mxNPW7Vc/qhXwARAQAB iQE2BBgBCAAgAhsMFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAlzMuqQACgkQ95cXLotfKhlU mwf6AvSkjYo9Ma1TsFRL4EJA7snf6Y294E1H41MeDQ4t4ciLV1S60zBAJ68rOd8zMJ+7IvYh V/SPSvOFFXoePHKk+hNhnvZfrk9rd1QdjB69SNeHmVi/1KTIaLuNfsngsgL1KO53qBmfQyiw Y/1OddfZjZXvZtfSEGi4JVtSF3JXWVe9et80c0Zrg1X6PFSueqCw2uzX2gWRLrcMEFKQfPn8 Hs6Gf7/+m/8F+xghXYBqjjIbcXLps4wBdXfSuGNG3DFlTg3YBFcWYJAt92BnPZGxXl9LWljP Ar7ZE5lEwqklwNtGX0sWd6wbpv0BILz+ENGOXnwMapyyiWlCG8avBPM//g== Message-ID: <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:15:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LwGW09DKz456w X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:16:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk" --8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/12/20 12:15 PM, Jerry wrote: [ c u t ] > I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have you > tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? I have= > already made a request that has receive some support for a FreeBSD > specific version of Teams. The created one for at least Debian, so I > assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. Yes, my mistake of course... should be Teams. No, I haven't made any requests to MS Teams - just saw lot of posts describing some sort of problems and no solid workaround or solution. > If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be > happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and > they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours > appears to be. That's nice :) How may I help you? What kind of information would be helpful to your team? If you wish, I can mail you on priv but I suppose it would be better to do it on the mailing list. > By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to the > trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run the rea= l > one and get all of the benefits. That is why I would suggest a VM, but > that is your choice. I remember times using wine on Linux as the only option to have some Windows apps running... I respect wine developers work but creating some sort of portability layer between more than two operating systems is really hard work and I think it's gonna be harder and harder to follow all the changes in Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and all the operating systems that the wine is supposed to run on. --=20 regards, Maciej Suszko. --8kMYrZe2aDA58PWs4vA8vbwGXAhyAswjk-- --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIoJrn47KEjxeB5CF95cXLotfKhkFAl66hWoACgkQ95cXLotf KhlhSQf7BNNOqYYBHrFoQ/J89NE5IeL2Y2Z7wgxZVuCOHbJdt/ItgLIBkxDh8vvs xy3WkTVXwxZyn9FyKTZew12YbFBn125SFIqYL65rBD/6t1NN0THx3ohs3r4bF7JG u1qErTwBCxsHtQeoX8gjzJtj2UOuMwk4PSAwo8CKgmJlWefSMcjlZmzUtDKXKBz6 K9BQ0C8lGxsc3Ga87AdxbXlkCbM5W/1zSCm0ECFePGJ0414gx9uU+UzK4BZK+M98 0hPNBQOS9cA2mhTKJKkzmUwhZ0/0Xxogu6TLwQvubUD2g+6K8jYdQvQ2ftLm3GA8 AfZ2kF34o0MKU9YnAcErsBc+V7n0cQ== =wKuk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bePYurEHSxJcVuJFYR4hyoqfJL0rkYcCJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:21:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19582EAF75 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LwPK3W3sz45ZP for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N0Fh1-1jDEdI2VtP-00xLMT for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:21:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:21:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-Id: <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rroC+Ydsmrr2frG2XYZxCpz4QhgQmV3ptbLOV3h9dtyOteYMBqZ miVsuT8RMGzX1V0SvoK4o13UIxd1uSeMMqji42/thrqXd6ykxK6d7urTtXCU0ix0ecksVG+ cjXVn+PfE2V4U4Klh9B5/Flb8OGanEPGdYJahrDpivgmnfHA9ucWuP/eWkakihC2McfM92b FXvY4U27YjKZZNya1xXAw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:03qds10SKy4=:vVOA2qiY7eVeShd/pwX8l7 v86gJaX/cL02q2kVKoA+v6Cae4tLJjJFxn/+y8rHzKVEDrKQKUD4S18Ma/VLHY0vf5UqiWHVi jxBqsktlsFWndv2/FH4AP5GRTw+aLeTgq1PmjzCgjXQSFt3wnrkxWEBFxxNy8YeB9DfhErTnQ iXid/cnheQJ1XhLW/U9PlZGStB0VL7mMWy930H6/wXVV3+x2iIGhwTAWoNAnfFvXCD3eiSurg xOA5rdDw9h0RmpzHJlDtSEsQSyQJ1nyFwLVJcXII31qfOcjRYD+hZDPZXa/lxWp4FFR5zPEaN 7jqz+pD0YPUg64nq7c98WVuyhCHDy5S90fvDbii8GLXkmKQmv0+RBkxiJ5kvjpF4mt8iGajed e33g0esvxSFjpqUjHNjNaBTiNx1zKJC8DQ/9kj+JTPefAovlmBNwPjj6CNMsTXM729xb1oNwf 9C+JHqKrs4FEMnFNcwbyLgXfv4AZRnopWhuifjkCjaxz7T/xAtyP697mnMi15wjsgRbvrr7l5 jXoAMk+mdnBsQnNcv1keEUq9JpEtFBlompoZPFGqJTAfuPNtgjgY2TuHPiZUBQM1HMk27wrBZ jGKsOftSBzft7WgJGo4/O8Q9Sicppo7+bxf/EEKnYRz5RfqgLY0dpKGGrkIk0Ux6e+Fcfwzri 8j7tGlH/Z4EYGv6U/ZwajDKFrwoT9+ln5+v2AS6fGeolO5v0vSgy74CKekyP+4uUmBiGqC5hB dMZy6XAERvwnGVGGL0xETJhtiFptRG+6etfPntIJgWJxD6Mo8VC1dr9Uymu/IZjrRR7IhI2Ao ivUjRgnqmf58kzk66i9xgGI85k1HSdnnPc6Lx3N2sobPkg8ueHFOe4L/GQjIV/28sT9q3gD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LwPK3W3sz45ZP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:21:57 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. > That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of > FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps > Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a > systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program that should be quite portable. > The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. > To address the second portion of your post, I had a telephone > conversation several years ago with a technician from 'Brother USA.' > Yes, it regarded printer support. I wanted to know precisely why they > wrote drivers, etcetera for Linus, Debian, Mac, and I think one other > besides mobile. In any case, he told me he uses Linux at home and likes > it. He went on to say to me that writing for FreeBSD is not easy > because: > [...] > 3) He also went on to say that FreeBSD, when compared to Microsoft or > Linux or MAC, was considered too decentralized. Being decentralized can be an advantage. However, printing on Linux and on the Mac is now centralized using CUPS. So why should it be a problem to create drivers that work with CUPS on Linux as well as CUPS on the Mac, but not on CUPS on any of the BSDs? Is the difference so big? Yes, I know, it sounds like Java: "Write once, run everywhere", but it doesn't actually work like that... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:35:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F812EB36E for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x344.google.com (mail-wm1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x344.google.com with SMTP id e26so21338848wmk.5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=EIPwSl9GGGyP+Q0iAl0xdEEO9RU547dsxrMeBYDGwsEFNIL7J9hZLa5yd1YQmzA5ZN H1ExAWSAvE90tab7LmVix27kLIm7Th84x4e6aaxbuiuOwtPhS3q+jWa9kGwhN+/4uJoN LGSclPrFmnhhDQQLX7CcK+xTlgivKoUMooN0778iF90hpKqzIe2QYImBX7gUabDsftkw jriG0JKdN2Wdhpz8rxthmleip2ZC6shrkazrfpooO4j2d4UTGe6NJvjVBq4dH+A1o0m4 WlVGuLK4sjnR/PWmEZEAZf9vk3/QArGcnKB7YA6jwP84hAUZMylGPXdoDsVzrtqZGbSX RnxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=Mvk9qySsodoxJoH274VkLsQxaDRSRqQ6u6v8Cp7UM6aApPIdQI3B39KIbp3O7i2Qvk ga5kym25qj7ufTHnEelhClx/k1qUjtIJ0BVcefhuPK35+9AaQ0ECyC1Qd/gASNACzIUN S637fYuhF94864BwEz4MGbdlkl423JrMYO2flDahRNxMJ5txvHjbkClWgXs2RFcDmL1g dRLP7FuAhRhNqHl17Qt/WDaXDD+Sg5iEycVVWBpAoNWIRuX1w4MvuVrUdXFYosZTvwZI 5gateOEPWHvrVEi7r6kF+Fck6Qq9QZWoy0qEm+oqDBePAvx9T2RdR3SSe6Bpl/bYvLVd TQuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuY3mWHi057w4aoOj2CzUkFOZYif6pTLGjpw+7LU6JS/+sarFb5G BYeshCl5mDwjlqrDI3twi2DZuYjFarc9UiiwP1XfN2DEcb0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLvPynIrYlnm1I9oijinNjbZcNjOLv2W8hTtiNeDq2gYY2bRcfF1RrnWiBD0l11Fjsx7lJfu9dQqwVUeDR7BMU= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c24b:: with SMTP id b11mr7419196wmj.101.1589283318854; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> In-Reply-To: <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: Maciej Suszko Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=EIPwSl9G; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::344) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ip: (2.51), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:13 AM Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from > > Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox > > / FreeBSD. By the way this is the outcome of "enforcing changes is the software development according to Microsoft" that I heard around 2008 when some UX moron removed menu from toolbar from GIMP and because "no other program had it that way". Now the same kind of morons removed BGE from Blender. Another moron recently implemented Profile Downgrade Protection in Firefox, the dirtiest of dirty corporate tricks, that effectively prevents you from using your own data in this Open-Source software so you cannot roll back to a version that does not have a nasty bug that breaks videoconferencing distrurbing your everyday work. > Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop > and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards > one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run > Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in > most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on > linuxulator :) Google at least (still) stands for and develops Open-Source. This recent bug we have identified as Firefox bug that breaks all videoconferencing. But the solution is out there already created in just two days :-) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 > Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official > communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some > situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the > problem and how to debug that. I noticed the same issues with Zoom, maybe the cause is similar. I found it working in Chromium. The camera support in Chromium showed up recently. For audio I had to recompile Chromium with PulseAudio support. The sketchy sound may be the last problem to solve here and some codecs may need to be fine-tuned :-) I would also report that issue to the MS and see what their real support for Open-Source is :-) And from another message below to keep it compact :-) > The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, For me the FreeBSD is the only real open-source and standards validator because if something works here it is really free and works everywhere else :-) > is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary > to people? No, the sources should be always available to the people and work out of the box :-) We do not accept binary blobs here this is another evil approach to control you and its not Open-Source at all if you cannot see the code and compile it yourself from scratch :-) > Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for > software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD. Yes its called POSIX, BSD, GNU, its already out there for tens of years available for free :-) Have a good day Maciej :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:35:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474252EB3B7 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciej@suszko.eu) Received: from archeo.suszko.eu (archeo.unixguru.pl [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:8316::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lwj628kFz46PX for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciej@suszko.eu) Received: from archeo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by archeo.suszko.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ADC217E6; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at archeo.local Received: from archeo.suszko.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by archeo (archeo.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9VLJv7EF88f8; 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DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suszko.eu:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suszko.eu,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.38)[ipnet: 2001:41d0::/32(4.90), asn: 16276(1.99), country: FR(-0.00)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.198.72.89.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --oPhGeWdYwqKiHtphf6QhdJGowdqt3wwHT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nzX7JTBU5C8N7nKvfs4RLXcAVUMLCCrQs" --nzX7JTBU5C8N7nKvfs4RLXcAVUMLCCrQs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: >> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. >> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of >> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps >> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a >> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. >=20 > As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form > (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be > possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. > The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide > a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? > You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent > on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web > browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program > that should be quite portable. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. >=20 > That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. > And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? 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What's wrong with Firefox that it > can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? > > So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in > such web applications. 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It is much simpler and much less risky but the performance is not the same. On 12/05/2020 09:06, salvatorembartolotta@libero.it wrote: > >> Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: >> >> On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), >>> I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. >> I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... >>> nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition >>> I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. >> It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. >> --Per Hedeland > > Good night, > > I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? > > In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. > > Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:57:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD1B2EBDBB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LxBV1yK5z47wx for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MsJXG-1jE32T0M5y-00tlQp; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Maciej Suszko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-Id: <20200512135734.fd7bfc91.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1uE2jvUBq6SdOg2kF9IN93uzworhg/CK4IDGVk+qwQBt2NCXwJH uuiaXfa9lu+REY1oqMU84Vsj3lwTjUxjxBIoToDhRf0nt4gNLE3hP3uJHqQryLHjG7VERrT yIJGAwW25OMvWdqBtJpV9KfQSnkFNnISafl9jwAl7dSWbzvk/+kYAYmaV2umGu0/C0SYHgq xPwk3slydgn8qqJAuTjXw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XgAACMVPqJs=:EKlLQZqXFvvO7r6VjfugOk hUcCxheuhg6+7X6Lnjjhc8SuYhzFYU6OekKWjUdXtKizrtsIo79RJYgO6Gn3PYzl/+pXU+uZH EgxUUBOwO7pM4e06yWHrULmu2OKdUnMSqobIZ6XHibRaprYP7+Ua1iEWDAD+6M/LPqwg1egvs JL8vBgKDsZty4OOgRqzOl9N0zKRC1OfHIwxe+C8dWRSS2WFOB3BJf6d8Tr2IdYVPGrrZTmRZb DIuPBWXa9s3kvep49jqmk7i/N1tQ8YP1vQA1oEXiVcXqeN5VRHKTwRUQ/oVM1nqW38/zedTd9 KZPL36l++Dv3AKkuY4L9EeY+IIYRneaM5/029F3sDhLqoXo+Rqo7Yl5GFHEZHFg51OhSA8CSr MDSOknU1D3Uby4vssH7VKMDVMz/lytXvt/i5D9ewipAlUMKhG9VebLjRHtNnCBkdMEY+XQh6J MSnhwuGeQf7NwkiwGI0k4kERhirngEO6MefZLTnMF1J77ipxsz3wBstVHcQ7ge7FaW88XoWz+ F98b6rXkdBaLU0oVZEIWDEYRQgx4cMBpVhsptxJoSUyEMrXWIje8Jan7Qdp3ZO8K46dGd6YHv FUutbYd+RNgBgRkyDVuKjE1MKrwm5q6oiy9b/3x9xvRgIhgqCqmuf6wWcMLeeKn0uGd8yf81u J8OpCzS1WimeO7P5vAInsbZ5lI5IPLlXUmlyh/yKpd/3khAzclFM3Avs0z6n1hp2pV5wLvStr fA5AuXiSs6FUAJA3cM5dCdmdqFsw6OQR8nFMyEsbW+WZK9w6F2Rty/6iH2gYc/L/F/mLXpoRF Hx9k7iLuzPlyXxjOwc38CEwDY/6q76GiyWwWCRNu+efgC2Ec1JgaNNOywumVl0gTtMwuYVT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxBV1yK5z47wx X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[ip: (1.06), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:26 +0200, Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. > >> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of > >> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps > >> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a > >> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. > > > > As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form > > (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be > > possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. > > The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide > > a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? > > You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent > > on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web > > browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program > > that should be quite portable. > > > > > > > >> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. > > > > That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. > > And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. > > What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for > Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it > can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? That's a good question! As you know, Chrome "enhances" Chromium with certain functions, such as video and audio codecs (might be important here) as well as autoupdater (which performs the task a system-controlled updating mechanism is supposed to do), or it is about the DRM (digital restrictions management) stuff that is "important" for a working video conferencing tool? By "important", I do not imply "neccessary" - two totally different things. But if a certain web app makes itself dependent on functions found in Chrome, but not in Chromium, it's obvious that it won't work in anything else; however it's still a valid question _why_ such a decision has been made... Yes, I can actually imagine the codecs and the DRM that are present in Chrome, but not in Chromium, are the "Google extensions" that are required. > So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in > such web applications. Correct. As I mentioned earlier, web browsers have become a very complex thing comparable to an operating system - it they are also _used_ like operating systems, i. e., distinct platforms to run web code (as opposed to native code) on; of course the metaphor "write once, run everywhere" that more or less used to be true for HTML content doesn't apply anymore. A web app can be very specific about which browser you can use, and what version of said browser is required. If you don't match those exact requirements - no soup for you. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y28sm6503710qtc.62.2020.05.12.05.05.01 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 05:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49LxM06Wknz1VDq for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:04:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512080453.00007888@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/GPlK45o94UE=ZQDZQF/UbYk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxM43pQHz49ZT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=I3PsKEVT; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (-0.00), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.f.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:05:06 -0000 --Sig_/GPlK45o94UE=ZQDZQF/UbYk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:26 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: =20 >>> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. >>> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of >>> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps >>> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a >>> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. =20 >>=20 >> As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form >> (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be >> possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. >> The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide >> a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? >> You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent >> on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web >> browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program >> that should be quite portable. >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. =20 >>=20 >> That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. >> And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. =20 > >What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for >Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it >can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? The answer to that question is quite simple. "The more applications you support, the more applications you have to support? Google Chrome is for more commonly used then 'chromium.' A brief description of the differences is detailed here: http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/internet/difference-between-chr= ome-and-chromium/ Microsoft supports its browser and Google Chrome. Promoting a more diverse assortment of browsers would only result in diminishing returns on their investment in time, money, and personnel. The fact that they are openly supporting Google Chrome is a major plus. The fact that it does not directly help the FreeBSD community is not their problem. This is a situation that FreeBSD should work out with Google. I honestly doubt that anyone with real authority in the FreeBSD hierarchy has attempted to reach out to Google for support. Google decided to base chrome os on gentoo. Linux has always offered superior device support as compared to FreeBSD, and apparently, that colored their decision. Besides, Google was a Linux shop, so why would they want to use a different OS. I think it would be great to get Google Chrome on FreeBSD. I HATE Firefox. However, I don't see that happening anytime soon. >So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in >such web applications. Such is life in the fast lane. You make your choice and you live with it. I'll make a request on the MS Teams support forum for support for Firefox, like I did for FreeBSD, but I doubt that it will catch traction. 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A kernel optimized for a system can lead to better performance. This has been true especially for systems with fewer resources. Note that only a specific optimization level is allowed for "buildkernel" (standard compiler optimization), while "buildworld" can usually utilize a higher optimization leve. You can find more here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/kernelconfig.html This approach is interesting if you're working with embedded systems. On regular home PCs and servers, this is hardly done today, but of course still supported and possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Tue, 12 May 2020 08:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: Tomasz CEDRO , Maciej Suszko Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:11:11 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxVC25jSz4B6c X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=BNnz0sZE; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=1ZpoJMFr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.27]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.84), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[27.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:11:16 -0000 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:13 AM Maciej Suszko wrote: >> On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >>> I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from >>> Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox >>> / FreeBSD. > > By the way this is the outcome of "enforcing changes is the software > development according to Microsoft" that I heard around 2008 when some > UX moron removed menu from toolbar from GIMP and because "no other > program had it that way". Now the same kind of morons removed BGE from > Blender. Another moron recently implemented Profile Downgrade > Protection in Firefox, the dirtiest of dirty corporate tricks, that > effectively prevents you from using your own data in this Open-Source > software so you cannot roll back to a version that does not have a > nasty bug that breaks videoconferencing distrurbing your everyday > work. Well, calling developers "moron" isn't something that is going to get you additional support. >> Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop >> and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards >> one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run >> Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in >> most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on >> linuxulator :) > > Google at least (still) stands for and develops Open-Source. This > recent bug we have identified as Firefox bug that breaks all > videoconferencing. But the solution is out there already created in > just two days :-) It looks like you are stuck in ~2005, with all the Microsoft bashing and Google appraising. Things have changed drastically over the years, Microsoft is much more friendlier to open source now (and if it gets them profit, all the better, I don't really care) and Google is just another lock-in vendor, I have stopped using their products completely except for web search, which I still find giving me the best results. > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 > > >> Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official >> communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some >> situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the >> problem and how to debug that. > > I noticed the same issues with Zoom, maybe the cause is similar. I > found it working in Chromium. The camera support in Chromium showed up > recently. For audio I had to recompile Chromium with PulseAudio > support. The sketchy sound may be the last problem to solve here and > some codecs may need to be fine-tuned :-) > > I would also report that issue to the MS and see what their real > support for Open-Source is :-) > > > And from another message below to keep it compact :-) > >> The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, > > For me the FreeBSD is the only real open-source and standards > validator because if something works here it is really free and works > everywhere else :-) > > >> is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary >> to people? > > No, the sources should be always available to the people and work out > of the box :-) > > We do not accept binary blobs here this is another evil approach to > control you and its not Open-Source at all if you cannot see the code > and compile it yourself from scratch :-) Who are "we"? FreeBSD doesn't seem to be the choice of those "purists", you'll have to go Debian for that, I think. >> Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for >> software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD. > > Yes its called POSIX, BSD, GNU, its already out there for tens of > years available for free :-) How are "BSD" and "GNU" related to any kind of "developer toolkit"? POSIX is important, yes, but there are a lot of things it doesn't cover, and it's not the base platform functions that are the problem for porting anything. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:17:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7054B2ED8A9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lxdj1WZdz4BdR for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-37-170.iol.local ([10.101.8.216]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YTqvjr8j3GT4iYTqvjR5IV; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:17:41 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SrbWj7XZTKyNiYQ/IdT5bQ==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=_yevK9wwAAAA:8 a=N7oLvZ7Lp1x1Ong6-eAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=QCj3g80VS2wd9d6ItcEr:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:17:41 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Per Hedeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1644337982.433672.1589285861644@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> References: <1117249472.400830.1589220133531@mail1.libero.it> <1560477469.422170.1589267163580@mail1.libero.it> Subject: Trivially solved - Dual booting Windows 10 and FREEBSD 12.1-R on an ASUS UEFI laptop (was: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: KQPZqtuioM0SARURk7QL5OPILQj5nKHP5JKGj9QjDUI= x-libjamv: 2Y993eZShPM= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGEau72mrsw635bcpDBI6NxC8NEL3OHpNPVNYubNtxYY/vpweUkPDhpnVHVqSe228N+0NBfJweTXihVds7LZPhuPFXiyErKtACfkWvhNY0qpNMVMijkY rPidRFs4wuOht00TJyoawprQAtJ1RCZejdnsItcywINcmSXBosnpIPxAjUBb/fRDDQwYTWma71HRHWS+eD6/81eUZbENQrGz5BEnnTINJkEwZSftLaMkqXrr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lxdj1WZdz4BdR X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.78), asn: 8660(-3.02), country: IT(0.03)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:17:46 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 9.06 Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions ha scritto: > > > > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 0.17 Per Hedeland ha scritto: > > > > On 2020-05-11 20:02, Salvatore Bartolotta via freebsd-questions wrote:> Good afternoon (in the U.S.A.), > > > I installed 12.1-R on an Asus laptop - well, almost. The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. > > I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... > > > nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition > > > I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. > > It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. > > --Per Hedeland > > > Good night, > > I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? > > In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. > > Thanks for any help, pointer, suggestion. Good morning, the solution seems to be trivial: 1) Boot from FreeBSD live CD 2) Mount_msdosfs the GPT EFI partition (e.g. on /mnt) 3) copy (cp -i) /boot/boo1.efi from the live CD to the EFI partition, to e.g. /mnt/EFI/Boot 4) Reboot the machine, access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry - e.g. path /EFI/Boot/boot1.efi YMMV and at boot time, pressing the appropriate key (e.g. Esc) lets you select which OS to boot. Googling has brought me a number of long and complicated discussions and recipes on various system configurations and some confusion as well; reading _1_ minute the relevant UEFI(8) man page has brought me the solution (!). Shame on me... Maybe someone with docs commit access could put or rather rewrite this "solution" somewhere in the documentation (/FAQs?/handbook?/...), with some frills added (/grub/... configuration?). Thanks all the same. 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However unless your system load is such that it is CPU bound in kernel space it is unlikely to make a difference to the overall performance of the system at the cost of increasing the risk of hitting optimisation bugs. Very high performance routing is one of the few applications I can think of where I might expect a noticeable difference from optimising kernel code. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:56:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2581D2EE2CA for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from libero.it (smtp-16-i2.italiaonline.it [213.209.12.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LyV20VsBz4DGn for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvatorembartolotta@libero.it) Received: from oxapps-37-170.iol.local ([10.101.8.216]) by smtp-16.iol.local with ESMTPA id YUS8jrRmLGT4iYUS8jRNuG; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:56:08 +0200 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fItHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SrbWj7XZTKyNiYQ/IdT5bQ==:117 a=yU5Zgh1FNLkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=J2-aUlzrV64A:10 a=wTuYmfDWAAAA:8 a=xrnEm15svltq5InS93kA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=wstIGGCy9FE3o10UnUST:22 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:56:08 +0200 (CEST) From: salvatorembartolotta@libero.it To: Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1181669940.437387.1589288168628@mail1.libero.it> In-Reply-To: <51dd6e6f-4c7a-9dbb-ee2e-1dd50a3e0712@defert.com> References: <51dd6e6f-4c7a-9dbb-ee2e-1dd50a3e0712@defert.com> Subject: Re: Incomplete installation of 12.1-R on an Asus laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.1-Rev30 X-Originating-IP: 151.63.216.26 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite x-libjamsun: i2IX2R9VLKrTHXCbb0OufXS6nga3fsGt5ohHOb/Ufl4= x-libjamv: 0s7tXxPxHks= X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfINZF2Ysf0Duq6woeczZ8ExbseQPN73Z+OwPGnZXXBLILW8VQjpw3+uPqHC0g9n9KWgpsQRW3KOUkb0v/ZynnThknITWv3YszSkw4BOcOTv6OFkyCbYw KtdXSkwOjZpcjY5R7tqahLjX+WI63o9xCEy1cFdR+bGOm7qoNMisH9ctYlEEpzQ/xk4NVigxHlJFuROgLGlfwM9/7/y9VEehDpSNmbUB0k/TZYRuaQ20xFHe X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LyV20VsBz4DGn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.209.8.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[libero.it]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[libero.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[libero.it,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[libero.it]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8660, ipnet:213.209.0.0/18, country:IT]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[libero.it.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[libero.it:s=s2014]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 213.209.0.0/18(-3.83), asn: 8660(-3.06), country: IT(0.03)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[16.12.209.213.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[libero.it:d:+,libero.it:s:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[16.12.209.213.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:56:11 -0000 > Il 12 maggio 2020 alle 13.49 Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> ha scritto: > > > Is dual-boot a requirement or would installing FreeBSD on a USB drive > also do? > It is much simpler and much less risky but the performance is not the same. My idea is: OSes on the (internal) nvd0 (SSD) disk for performance reasons; data on external devices e.g. HDDs, SSDs, M-disks (local archive), USB sticks, clouds,... The risks, for my system, were very, very low. As a matter of fact, I hadn't modified the EFI partition, and the original installation was almost complete. The final step is perhaps the most dangerous. I solved the problem myself, thanks to Per Hedeland's suggestion, trivially carrying out that final step, and have already posted to -questions the no frills "solution". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 12:59:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E212EE41E for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LyZP66SWz4DPP for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 12:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from mxback10j.mail.yandex.net (mxback10j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::113]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3548F4D427FE for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:53 +0300 (MSK) Received: from myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c00:1da4:0:640:ee97:6ce5]) by mxback10j.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id EcbYf86Izx-xrPuQZbe; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:53 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1589288393; bh=Fa2lVL73ORCxwiPG5qVEv3Pw+wUHJNPk92dF7XH0Z4Q=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:References:Date:Message-ID; b=BUin0tCbbtvpR2TVbq71h32LWRE6+8tTh9+byWEPDTwukzmhVV3RCrDs+jtSMutGS CuNt26mhiT2Nty+KQ6cUYF9CY88XoSN4OI+6LDZ9ebkrMUTnEM5UB66kKJbHGA2RD/ IQTJbWyoWxXNnpmB2PZ0sbX6NcYn36msPf9ccsm0= Received: by myt4-ee976ce519ac.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id GWGjPNmqkE-xq2GEB6Z; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:52 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:45 +0300 From: dmn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz Subject: Re: How to mount mdf mds in freebsd? 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Apparently, for some reason, you have to use the Yandex web interface to write your messages. The message composer there has been updated recently, and now it allows you to send e-mail in HTML format _only_ (it's a bug, I believe). However, you can click the button in the bottom right corner of the editor window (crossed out "beta" symbol): "Click here to enable the old email editor" ("=D0=9D=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=BC=D0= =B8=D1=82=D0=B5, =D1=87=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B1=D1=8B =D0=B2=D0=BA=D0=BB=D1=8E=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=82= =D1=8C =D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=8B=D0=B9 =D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BA= =D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80 =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BC"). In the "old" editor, you have an option to send a message as plain text: click "Without formatting" ("=D0=91=D0=B5=D0=B7 =D0=BE=D1=84=D0=BE=D1= =80=D0=BC=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F") link below the "Subject" ("=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=B0") line. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d6sm10969632qkj.72.2020.05.12.06.29.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 May 2020 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49LzDf2Cdzz1Vmn for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:29:28 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200512092928.00002a53@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> <20200512061532.00003b6e@seibercom.net> <03dfc1f4-f731-c433-26f9-3133d530b8f0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LzDk1gy8z4G2l X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=SgJ6nanc; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::743 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:29:43 -0000 --Sig_/u0rIz4D33kTw2UYDDutFsIu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:15:54 +0200, Maciej Suszko commented: >On 5/12/20 12:15 PM, Jerry wrote: > >[ c u t ] > >> I assume by 'Temas' you mean 'Teams'. Is that correct? If so, have >> you tried posting one of the MS Teams forums regarding this problem? >> I have already made a request that has receive some support for a >> FreeBSD specific version of Teams. The created one for at least >> Debian, so I assume they could do the same for FreeBSD. =20 > >Yes, my mistake of course... should be Teams. No, I haven't made any >requests to MS Teams - just saw lot of posts describing some sort of >problems and no solid workaround or solution. > >> If you want, and can supply me with ALL the information,I would be >> happy to make a report for you. I am on the 'Edge Dev' beta team,and >> they LOVE to get info like this, especially edge cases like yours >> appears to be. =20 > >That's nice :) How may I help you? What kind of information would be >helpful to your team? If you wish, I can mail you on priv but I suppose >it would be better to do it on the mailing list. > >> By the way, I share your dislike of 'wine'. If I am going to go to >> the trouble of running a pseudo OS environment, I might as well run >> the real one and get all of the benefits. That is why I would >> suggest a VM, but that is your choice. =20 > >I remember times using wine on Linux as the only option to have some >Windows apps running... I respect wine developers work but creating >some sort of portability layer between more than two operating systems >is really hard work and I think it's gonna be harder and harder to >follow all the changes in Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and all the >operating systems that the wine is supposed to run on. Yes, contact me OL. While this is a FreeBSD problem, no one is really going to appreciate it being posted here. Briefly, I need all the info you can give me. 1) Your OS and version 2) Web browser and version 3) Error messages, etcetera 4) Anything else pertinent to this problem. I'll post it to their MS Teams technical site and see what transpires. In all honestly, I feel they will use the FreeBSD equivalent of "RTFM"; i.e., Firefox and Chromium are NOT supported. I seriously doubt that they will respond with "patches welcome", but that is just a guess. Now,depending on your interpretation of 'good news', Microsoft announced that they will be releasing a version of 'Edge' for Linux. I have been using the 'dev' channel on Windows for months now. In any case, depending on how it is released to Linux, there is always a possibility it can be ported to FreeBSD. I also came across this URL regarding Google Chrome: https://itsfoss.com/install-chrome-ubuntu/ Maybe that could be adopted for your use. I also share your trepidation regarding 'wine'. The only wine I have ever enjoyed was the one you drink, and I am a 'Scotch' (JW Black) man myself. 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The partition editor, apparently, didn't see the 260MB EFI partition and wanted to create a _second_ EFI partition, in the middle of the disk,right before the rootfs (monted on /), what made little sense to me. I said "no", making the system, for the time being, unbootable. The installation completed except for that step. >>> I noticed that too, and did the same, but it didn't result in anunbootable system since I had the EFI partition already set up from anearlier install (which I don't recall wanting to create an EFIpartition, but I may be wrong about that)... >>>> nvd0 GPT layout:nvd0p1 260 MB EFI partitionnvd0p2 16MB M$ reserved partitionnvd0p3 256GB M$ system and data partitionnvd0p4 512KB freebsd-bootnvd0p5 2GB rootfs, mounted on /)nvd0p6 80 GB swap (on a 32GB RAM system, maybe overkill)nvd0p7 26GB varfs, mounted on /varnvd0p8 14GB tmpfs, mounted on /tmp, may be ovewrkill as wellnvd0p9 134GB usrfs, mounted on /usr....nvd0lastpartition 650MB M$ Recovery partition >>>> I hope there is some simple way to complete this FreeBSD installation, by adding the appropriate booting code to the _existing_ EFI partition. >>> It seems you also have a Windows installation - do you want to be ableto dual-boot? Otherwise I think you can find the info you need in theuefi(8) man page. AFAIR it pretty much amounts to "somehow"mount_msdosfs-mounting the EFI partition and copying /boot/boot1.efifrom the FreeBSD installation to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI(case-independent I believe, I actually have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi).Should be doable from either of the or (if present)choices in the installer. >>> --Per Hedeland >> >> >> Good night, >> >> I'd like to be able to dual-boot for the time being - multi-boot, at the end of the day. The live CD is certainly my friend, I am just not sure how I am supposed to do it. Should I install some UEFI shell/utility/... in the EFI nvd0p1 partition in order to manage the FreeBSD and Windows booting code, then install/point to the actual FreeBSD (and Windows) booting code (not /boot/boot1.efi, I suppose) ? Has anybody done anything like that? This is kind of moot considering what you write below, but since I already had written it when I saw your message, I guess I'll post it anyway - maybe it's useful to someone else. I do have a Windows/FreeBSD dual-boot setup on my laptop, and for any dual/multi-booting, I believe(d) you need a 3rd-party boot manager - and the subject is perhaps a bit too much to go into the details of here, but googling will find quite a few recipes. Most of them seem to be using either grub or rEFInd, I ended up using the latter and doing most of the setup from the Windows side. Googling now, I found a good summary (though not a recipe) at https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/dual-booting-windows-10-alongside-freebsd-11-0-release.59427/#post-341619 (it actually says that you *may* *not* need a 3rd-party boot manager...). Anyway, this is the contents of my EFI partition, originally created by the Windows installation: $ ls /mnt/EFI Boot Microsoft $ ls /mnt/EFI/Boot bootx64-freebsd.efi bootx64.efi refind.conf bootx64-windows-10.efi icons refind.conf.ORIG $ tail /mnt/EFI/Boot/refind.conf menuentry "FreeBSD" { loader \EFI\Boot\bootx64-freebsd.efi icon \EFI\Boot\icons\os_freebsd.png } menuentry "Windows 10" { loader \EFI\Boot\bootx64-windows-10.efi icon \EFI\Boot\icons\os_win.png } Here bootx64.efi is rEFInd, bootx64-freebsd.efi is a copy of /boot/boot1.efi from FreeBSD, and bootx64-windows-10.efi is (of course) the Windows loader, originally named bootx64.efi. AFAIR, this setup was all done from the FreeBSD Live CD. There was a bit more to getting it to work though - I had to create a boot entry for rEFInd (and occasionally have to re-create it), unclear why, using a Windows tool called EasyUEFI - there may be others. >> In the past, I had used some pay$$ware on BIOS (not EFI) machines, sure, but I'd like to be able to do everything - except for the necessary evil, the M$ Windows OS and some of its $program$ - open-source minded. The rEFInd boot manager is open source, as is grub of course - EasyUEFI is not AFAIK, but at least the version I used was free as in beer. > Good morning, > > the solution seems to be trivial: > > 1) Boot from FreeBSD live CD > 2) Mount_msdosfs the GPT EFI partition (e.g. on /mnt) > 3) copy (cp -i) /boot/boo1.efi from the live CD to the EFI partition, to e.g. /mnt/EFI/Boot > 4) Reboot the machine, access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry - e.g. path /EFI/Boot/boot1.efi > > YMMV and at boot time, pressing the appropriate key (e.g. Esc) lets you select which OS to boot. > > Googling has brought me a number of long and complicated discussions and recipes on various system configurations and some confusion as well; reading _1_ minute the relevant UEFI(8) man page has brought me the solution (!). Shame on me... > > Maybe someone with docs commit access could put or rather rewrite this "solution" somewhere in the documentation (/FAQs?/handbook?/...), with some frills added (/grub/... configuration?). Great that you found such a straightforward solution! I suspect the complexity of the solution to a great degree depends on the quality of the "UEFI firmware", as discussed in the forum post I linked to above. At least with my laptop (Lenovo ideapad 320), I don't see any "builtin" opportunity to "access UEFI and create the FreeBSD entry", I had to use the EasyUEFI tool for that. And while I probably could have managed with *only* creating a "FreeBSD entry" instead of using rEFInd as boot manager, it's kind of nice to always get presented with a selection (with a timeout for the reply) and not having to remember to (on my laptop) repeatedly hit F12 in order to enter the "firmware boot manager" - but of course that's a matter of taste and usage patterns. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 15:02:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2EC2F1C86 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49M1Hh2B86z4LmL for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8178310276A for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGfEjoDAWCXz for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EAA0102769 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:02:15 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M1Hh2B86z4LmL X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.47)[0.469,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.23)[0.228,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.91), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:02:26 -0000 I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load=3D"YES=E2=80=9C = into loader.conf. Better not had done it. I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded vboxvfs.ko = while VirtualBox was running. Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was = already running. So I wanted to try to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth loader? = How from then on? Of course the question why the kernel crashes on the vbox modules gotta = be solved in the first place. =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 15:45:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DB82F2ACF for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49M2FS3lqxz4NsQ for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09635C0126 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm getting this error in my daily reports: ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netst= at" seems to hapen when daily cron runs network interface totals. This is a freebsd bhyve vm running on a freebsd host: vm: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 # freebsd-version -kru 12.1-RELEASE-p3 12.1-RELEASE-p3 12.1-RELEASE-p4 it's kept up-to-date with freebsd-update. The messages I get from freebsd-update are a little odd: # freebsd-update fetch src component not installed, skipped Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 12.1-RELEASE from update1.freebsd.org... do= ne. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 12.1-RELEASE-p4. # freebsd-update install src component not installed, skipped No updates are available to install. Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. I thought netgraph etc would be taken care of by freebsd-update? How can I fix? thanks, --=20 J. --17/8oYur5Y32USnW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl66xJEACgkQs8o7QhFz NAWrdQ/+N4nBRFudcRdBoKXDqwiglvK1G9hHVHO4h1zvOMxDpp6u+CsTMLQjqPUv IQMDKK67T0eyrjQ2IFYvIxdLK3QKsNpO8da/lXiWIXp/qf/eQ3caZMngbtDl36Il v/DJMN+gPKmQ+7cXJp8HMhAKNeF4fwjAi32e8sVtdrA2tMywU+0mGzeMH5Iu7rib h3ZkogDUFSbTMcw4PoAR5XU/29VXRhX7NYKPmnhY8u0zFLsFcxVaJpKnLSlAN44T 8/+szBqEoXqjs86zQRe5ORFy9EenAB/6iugiPxDN+xII44Acnkjk0o7MJ3mDVySq dtE6n2TypoHvMUn/x2bCSEXRR/OlrCcIn7Duq25p47qgmIZLKuyRNQznaXfcQJPy q/Su4nMjekE8hcLOL6LQJVPu87Tb/T5C1ddiSlZFo4W9RLi2jwW31Jn0YQL578Ma DImNAHqlnkbMaZgX6Vd4cYUead7GucJ3MUeMjK2QKCswSFD6aPAUfRIqWtc9Ltdd McHDp4C03jWjnAD+OvDqh2Lloc9lLoHfktLPGQ+g/7ai+xVU66mbgZOeN7e2uvbx D4X0ROeYrG9riAoba6ZTCZzuLlO4jkli74gFfkOXWwIa7B9sUW/IaECauD3z6Vpt PbraMscij3eL0EWCclI2rh5bzUUdTjBP8y4NqSVO0Vfo2zY8i4s= =0Mck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17/8oYur5Y32USnW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 16:36:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AC12F3D10 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49M3N71Z3hz4RsQ for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from x1 (94.105.105.185.dyn.edpnet.net [94.105.105.185]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B59721D4FC65 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:36:12 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: libjli.so not found through SaltStack Message-ID: <20200512163612.GA3085@x1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M3N71Z3hz4RsQ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be designates 193.191.208.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; IP_SCORE(-3.01)[ip: (-8.93), ipnet: 193.191.192.0/19(-4.46), asn: 2611(-1.65), country: BE(-0.02)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=nzVC=62=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:36:24 -0000 Hello, I'm facing a strange error while running the "/usr/local/openjdk8/bin/java" through SaltStack cmd.run state. For some reason libjli.so is not found. I modified the state with some debugging info: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/silenius/d71ee37ce9700da7dcd3a7c2f110b414/raw/cb1ca43cc07f1eea5cf663906a0d46d16a35ec80/gistfile1.txt Some obersvations: - I don't see a DT_FLAGS, which means that $ORIGIN wouldn't work - It looks like rtld doesn't actually check DT_FLAGS Any idea ..? (when I'm running the java -jar command from shell it works) Thanks -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 16:56:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039B92F4958 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49M3pp6vdSz4V6S for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from MacBook-Pro.nomadlogic.org (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 852ba871 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: libjli.so not found through SaltStack To: Julien Cigar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512163612.GA3085@x1> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <87613aff-1ccc-2007-4da8-6606e1445e44@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:56:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200512163612.GA3085@x1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M3pp6vdSz4V6S X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[111.161.243.23.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.28), ipnet: 174.136.96.0/20(-4.26), asn: 25795(-0.44), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:04 -0000 On 5/12/20 9:36 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > Hello, > > I'm facing a strange error while running the > "/usr/local/openjdk8/bin/java" through SaltStack cmd.run state. > For some reason libjli.so is not found. > > I modified the state with some debugging info: > https://gist.githubusercontent.com/silenius/d71ee37ce9700da7dcd3a7c2f110b414/raw/cb1ca43cc07f1eea5cf663906a0d46d16a35ec80/gistfile1.txt > > Some obersvations: > - I don't see a DT_FLAGS, which means that $ORIGIN wouldn't work > - It looks like rtld doesn't actually check DT_FLAGS > > Any idea ..? > > (when I'm running the java -jar command from shell it works) shot in the dark but have you ensured JAVA_HOME environment variable is set on your salt minion when executing this command? -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 16:59:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991242F4B0B for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49M3tS4T1yz4VLn for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from MacBook-Pro.nomadlogic.org (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 2bc692a2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 16:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics To: Christoph Kukulies , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <5e116285-cfb1-c521-3b87-5b3574b61fc9@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:59:10 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M3tS4T1yz4VLn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[111.161.243.23.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.29), ipnet: 174.136.96.0/20(-4.26), asn: 25795(-0.44), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:59:13 -0000 On 5/12/20 8:02 AM, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load="YES“ into loader.conf. Better not had done it. > > I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded vboxvfs.ko while VirtualBox was running. > Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was already running. So I wanted to try > to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. > > So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth loader? How from then on? > > Of course the question why the kernel crashes on the vbox modules gotta be solved in the first place. > I believe if you enter the loader prompt you can unset this via: unset vboxbvfs_load show vboxvfs_load the second command should verify that you are not loading the module.  more info is available in the loader(8) manpage. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 01:20:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95C72E3259 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 01:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@proulx.com) Received: from havoc.proulx.com (havoc.proulx.com [96.88.95.61]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MH0Z65s0z4KQ8 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 01:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@proulx.com) Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0CD244 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:20:04 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proulx.com; s=dkim2048; t=1589332804; bh=UooKp4huleuKFfC9hXxJJh90gbuA8APNyluIBA8gDMY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=LG3OKF6SZKExN3BTV17jNKn1wgav7rlFRQoLTGyf1f4WEM/B7pEVNz/rQUrZYtS54 3ac6Qqc7tU/jV/r7QNvuP1AgruaWzQz2mJugxSYhGUPtiZo52kPT5dBEkC8vAkTpTV H6l8YwO2tyJEObbZjy1G8v+pEYfTX+VMdD1NfHJaI+9LeMJiIME5Lk3Fzkv9NvdSWH qWA8V/bOO9a2UeyM/AsP6OF8A2g5eVy9QZnLBoqDVaj9iV4ZPsQymWW0jfqY1StdMl Mtk4vzZ6cP0OEsY5GXDEKwHNCo6YVqTr1KHICdI4nUSwqCchFRFi0hMLtNIV0j+yc9 RgdKBsISWhOTg== Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78E3211D1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C37952DC93; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:20:03 -0600 From: Bob Proulx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On a serious note, what I'd change about FreeBSD hier(7) Message-ID: <20200512190812259650810@bob.proulx.com> References: <83788746a7d8a802d8af4b582e00827166febd1a.camel@tom.com> <20200506172115.cb3b572b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200506214540.247500820cf8701968ac01c9@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200506214540.247500820cf8701968ac01c9@sohara.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MH0Z65s0z4KQ8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proulx.com header.s=dkim2048 header.b=LG3OKF6S; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@proulx.com designates 96.88.95.61 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bob@proulx.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proulx.com:s=dkim2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[proulx.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proulx.com:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:96.64.0.0/11, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.53)[ipnet: 96.64.0.0/11(-1.96), asn: 7922(-0.64), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 01:20:15 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Ottavio Caruso wrote: > > Polytropon wrote: > > > FreeBSD's general organisation keeps all non-OS stuff stored > > > in /usr/local; the directories owned by the OS have a specific > > > purpose which is reflected by their name and location > > > > I'd pretty much want to have all non-base stuff into somewhere else > > than /usr/local. > > Why ? /usr/local is explicitly for non-base stuff so what would go > in there ? What would go in /usr/local would be locally compiled applications that are outside of the base system, outside of the ports system, and are purely locally compiled from source programs. And anything else the local admin wanted to put there. > > I like NetBSD installing ports in /usr/pkg (or > > whenever you want set your $PREFIX to). I'd rather have /usr/local for > > my own personal software and avoid it messing up with official ports. > > Why fight the system when you could just have /usr/personal > or /site or /opt or something for your own stuff without changing existing > conventions. FreeBSD is the odd one out here in using /usr/local for system uses. In other systems, and I grew up on HP-UX, SunOS, old BSD, and so forth, have always reserved /usr/local for the local admin to populate. Using most from-source software the default install location is most typically /usr/local and therefore out of the box unless you fight with the upstream source locations (fighting with upstream really means overriding the default, I only said fighting because you did) then "make install" will typically install to /usr/local, potentially overwriting components from FreeBSD. Therefore on FreeBSD I use /local for those things. Which is defensible as perhaps being a better location. However to avoid potentially overwriting something in /usr/local I must reconfigure upstream source to avoid it each and every time. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.64.0.0/10, country:US]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 40.64.0.0/10(-3.73), asn: 8075(-3.25), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.46)[-0.455,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.78)[0.776,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[21.91.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[21.91.92.40.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 05:33:47 -0000 On 2020-05-13 06:50, Bob Proulx wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> Ottavio Caruso wrote: >>> Polytropon wrote: >>>> FreeBSD's general organisation keeps all non-OS stuff stored >>>> in /usr/local; the directories owned by the OS have a specific >>>> purpose which is reflected by their name and location >>> >>> I'd pretty much want to have all non-base stuff into somewhere else >>> than /usr/local. >> >> Why ? /usr/local is explicitly for non-base stuff so what would go >> in there ? > > What would go in /usr/local would be locally compiled applications > that are outside of the base system, outside of the ports system, and > are purely locally compiled from source programs. And anything else > the local admin wanted to put there. > >>> I like NetBSD installing ports in /usr/pkg (or >>> whenever you want set your $PREFIX to). I'd rather have /usr/local for >>> my own personal software and avoid it messing up with official ports. >> >> Why fight the system when you could just have /usr/personal >> or /site or /opt or something for your own stuff without changing existing >> conventions. > > FreeBSD is the odd one out here in using /usr/local for system uses. > In other systems, and I grew up on HP-UX, SunOS, old BSD, and so > forth, have always reserved /usr/local for the local admin to > populate. > > Using most from-source software the default install location is most > typically /usr/local and therefore out of the box unless you fight > with the upstream source locations (fighting with upstream really > means overriding the default, I only said fighting because you did) > then "make install" will typically install to /usr/local, potentially > overwriting components from FreeBSD. > > Therefore on FreeBSD I use /local for those things. Which is > defensible as perhaps being a better location. However to avoid > potentially overwriting something in /usr/local I must reconfigure > upstream source to avoid it each and every time. > > Bob Perhaps you might like to remember another location : /opt That is entirely unused in the default config in FreeBSD, and I think /opt/bin makes a good location for the user's own software. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 06:57:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28D12EBC1F for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 06:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MQTF5ZQbz4csg for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 06:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E1710276A; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:57:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TaLOQW6NUwpS; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:57:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B3D4102769; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:57:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <3491A0C3-35C1-4CA7-B35F-5166CB6CCB14@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:57:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5e116285-cfb1-c521-3b87-5b3574b61fc9@nomadlogic.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Pete Wright References: <5e116285-cfb1-c521-3b87-5b3574b61fc9@nomadlogic.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MQTF5ZQbz4csg X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.09)[0.089,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.85)[0.851,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.90), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 06:57:06 -0000 > Am 12.05.2020 um 18:59 schrieb Pete Wright : >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 5/12/20 8:02 AM, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load=3D"YES=E2=80=9C = into loader.conf. Better not had done it. >>=20 >> I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded = vboxvfs.ko while VirtualBox was running. >> Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was = already running. So I wanted to try >> to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. >>=20 >> So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth = loader? How from then on? >>=20 >> Of course the question why the kernel crashes on the vbox modules = gotta be solved in the first place. >>=20 >=20 > I believe if you enter the loader prompt you can unset this via: >=20 > unset vboxbvfs_load > show vboxvfs_load OK unset vboxvfs_load no such file or directory From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 07:07:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECB22EC0D3 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MQj40Clhz4dS9 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id x5so7851056ioh.6 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cd/N5r+wsjOkjnPYkirKRuXXmai4laMQHbqswcVDwrA=; b=TwUtvHnISO4w0gw0AnkG1FG9AvIoz0Vt434vp8MIwyiyDxon1wHdLdxUm04UmgCL6Y 5GaWi9m8Kkw+xG1bOwW1IpmbXnOBBR81/qIhjYNUi2QBv0tQ5BJPb6ACs5wph5IQD+ti swRgzPUxkLdCHXWEDI/xscAwNJy2vBCquUN4Ja2OnMy9QUWeYhkXl+XmETe0dn0+d8V3 pgqr5HNXi/otz/Dztrgfk+io6aRfWuS1XkIgmgaiqchIFnp9k0BlMhD/RnCptMnfEaB5 4xPGnuQgAph7T6H407gaijztN1GsXlpJjAmLd7/u9M7+PYoDPsvoYELQJcacHhPsjqQz CGKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cd/N5r+wsjOkjnPYkirKRuXXmai4laMQHbqswcVDwrA=; b=qNJOsdMSCgWeOMNGh3S6vjSlZMKt4kp4OLHsn+GIKqwTBxyY97I4LMornxqvTlCXvF ML5AOCYny5RWFfqGk2CPenBhoXrkqc0dS+Izts5YdbW4bj6m9iAKT3V240gaoNI3yTBu pxchjPEwWSZIjymnqyMfcHtCB+mDmUCdcpez1a0tOxo2nA/TOHmd6jsjwsVWKPNjvj5i QZd0RNi06RgnE4HDNaRxElBveDeYoeJSHmTMHMWYA96OPmYeZmf8OHcqUkOi5vABhQlE k6GWuSA04x0tcdnBAzlie+wA+xQ+C1ojEUEjM6DfjHc+ZLHXLPrUFGV4dhxqzunOzmV6 uPpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaIqaFi1Mcs4xb9jyTGMnWxQHNrDByIBjw2GlebGWZrVcinOfLG kJEcIxp4YQOCwmdxcy4Y2GwRn/1+RRguu//7ONZ5VsofnOqieg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKMUy68fhQXgmcofiYv1I7gJF5KF06kwYPZPxWNIJXRjyCocQU2igKjUEjCW67MHFZr2GdlyhAngmw6uLy1cBA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:2ad:: with SMTP id d13mr16385718jaq.119.1589353638732; Wed, 13 May 2020 00:07:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:07:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MQj40Clhz4dS9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=TwUtvHnI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-6.56), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:07:21 -0000 >From the way you write it, I conclude you didn't set up a dedicated boot environment ... (hint: it's not hard - 'man bectl' [or 'beadm' - they're almost the same]). If I were you and the workaround suggested by Pete doesn't help, I'd try to boot from a USB stick, mount the installation and fix it up that way ... (no idea how, though, sorry ... ) HTH Michael On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:02 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load=3D"YES=E2=80=9C into > loader.conf. Better not had done it. > > I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded vboxvfs.ko > while VirtualBox was running. > Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was > already running. So I wanted to try > to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. > > So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth loader? > How from then on? > > Of course the question why the kernel crashes on the vbox modules gotta b= e > solved in the first place. > > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 07:27:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798B2EC6E7 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MR8G1wJCz4fJh for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E625B10276A; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:27:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96yo5idhyg5S; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:27:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 838F5102769; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:27:24 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics From: Christoph Kukulies In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:27:23 +0200 Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Michael Schuster X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MR8G1wJCz4fJh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.58 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.01)[-0.014,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.81)[0.811,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.90), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:27:27 -0000 > Am 13.05.2020 um 09:07 schrieb Michael Schuster = : >=20 > =46rom the way you write it, I conclude you didn't set up a dedicated = boot > environment ... (hint: it's not hard - 'man bectl' [or 'beadm' - = they're > almost the same]). >=20 > If I were you and the workaround suggested by Pete doesn't help, I'd = try to > boot from a USB stick, mount the installation and fix it up that way = ... > (no idea how, though, sorry ... ) >=20 Thanks. I solved it that way. Booted the FreeBSD 12.1 installation DVD, = escaped into shell and edited /boot/loader.conf =E2=80=94 Christoph > HTH > Michael >=20 > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:02 PM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: >=20 >> I hosed my kernel boot start by putting vboxvfs_load=3D"YES=E2=80=9C = into >> loader.conf. Better not had done it. >>=20 >> I noticed that FreeBSD 12.1 panicked whil I manually loaded = vboxvfs.ko >> while VirtualBox was running. >> Well, not a good idea and the panic comes from the fact that Vbox was >> already running. So I wanted to try >> to load all required vbox modules right away on boot. >>=20 >> So I cut off myself. How can I repair this? Boot into the Forth = loader? >> How from then on? >>=20 >> Of course the question why the kernel crashes on the vbox modules = gotta be >> solved in the first place. >>=20 >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >>=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 07:31:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE72ECDFB for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MRF62Xs0z4g4Y for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934FA10276A; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_eW0RGWB3KQ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D187102769; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:31:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <0361ADCA-AE5C-44D0-BD7F-96DB0C47C6E1@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:31:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Michael Schuster References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MRF62Xs0z4g4Y X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.012,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.822,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.90), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:31:39 -0000 > Am 13.05.2020 um 09:27 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Am 13.05.2020 um 09:07 schrieb Michael Schuster = : >>=20 >> =46rom the way you write it, I conclude you didn't set up a dedicated = boot >> environment ... (hint: it's not hard - 'man bectl' [or 'beadm' - = they're >> almost the same]). >>=20 beadm, ok, a pkg/port. beadm ERROR: This system does not boot from ZFS pool >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 07:39:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42812ED349 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MRPh75CPz3C7V for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C22510276A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DGvbaVoS1yJu for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04C60102769 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:39:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: VirtualBox vboxvfs panicking kernel (5.2.34_2) Message-Id: <4CE2A6B8-851F-43A7-A2E6-5C430947127C@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:39:03 +0200 To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MRPh75CPz3C7V X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.39)[-0.390,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.89), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.12)[0.120,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:39:05 -0000 To concentrate now on the problem with vboxvfs crashing the 12.1 = distribution kernel I=E2=80=99m wondering how to proceed best. The installed port is 5.2.32_1. The pkg which I installed is 5.2.34_2 Should I upgrade the port? Should I move to -current? debug the kernel? =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 07:43:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD59E2ED716 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MRW20RDkz3CgT for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id s10so16998160iog.7 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 00:43:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OptZdLm/uaMyHyRlRmIMQMclqLmu3+slqFunmQqBWxY=; b=irz4N4q62vxGSl0VRhCYv8iojh0guutnKfjr2RoKxEkz7ecl0QY6nYTvLWbt/RQnKK NBGxaPqNJwnDsxaEF+3R/DEQvNreQfzavJ/z/nHoKUtUo88KWXqnAGxRa/BRyaRGYhFy gg44rjaO4h+L9b8VHt5hpG3JDUWg7Bayy9CeQiwmdXrFYIpc3Jkm5EXr/K4CxUBO4nQE ZkCb8sSA9zWXS8RKjLROIMO5GBTlDPySIU4Vne80pOZJ4wC1kjFqekI+dnPirLqfbmaQ ux0C5iEgyJyEnNLDe6xDAr+M+Av6yzQT8kvdTA5VbYWcv1wCPWY+gQdkBw6qvo37frX0 lcXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OptZdLm/uaMyHyRlRmIMQMclqLmu3+slqFunmQqBWxY=; b=o/xkycE94YwVOh3zKL6kVzMo4eOWkHU0ImMLRocXAtVi9mfktqk2OIdgiNsyZG/h0/ oSTRuOpRD7IYfe4jLqz0/ccqCD9Ohyn9pFl+tDtpS7Sntb2XHbQBIZVIYx+YHSr9n+G6 ouIPYa6AQQ9cNgQfVJ74HNkLj5sjbrhlywZyxOzyWsWEnK4g3ttHtNstUHCOmFfnLv2P tGChW5c2ooDGBlAlv1McjjbU8tKFn45660eOhEGvwUYQHn5umHSJrsflyDLGpXiNZ1ME uPTVWYWReWHCA6XYSE8rsH7YmwdKIJBa0o6tW3fEjUqvIWOLp1eCH6fcCGdCx6uqwKbP /Vqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYkocENFwzLM1GmhCMMfTcZh5nBhOrMkSG70ajr9XOHnC6CPJeB OYpLy71A4GcNanlJm1iX/JwGGFT2MvFEbFLYrWo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ5nZsl2DB5uZfmfn6E6Tp3ggd4IidO/2NNpSlCvtqm3DwMXBD9JWu1Hv+MiFFw2RsAaaH0vLBMAWi3FErMDPg= X-Received: by 2002:a02:8247:: with SMTP id q7mr23073263jag.68.1589355820237; Wed, 13 May 2020 00:43:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0361ADCA-AE5C-44D0-BD7F-96DB0C47C6E1@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <0361ADCA-AE5C-44D0-BD7F-96DB0C47C6E1@kukulies.org> From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:43:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MRW20RDkz3CgT X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=irz4N4q6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.30), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:43:42 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:31 AM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > Am 13.05.2020 um 09:27 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : > > > > Am 13.05.2020 um 09:07 schrieb Michael Schuster >: > > From the way you write it, I conclude you didn't set up a dedicated boot > environment ... (hint: it's not hard - 'man bectl' [or 'beadm' - they're > almost the same]). > > > > beadm, ok, a pkg/port. > > beadm > ERROR: This system does not boot from ZFS pool > yes ... sorry, should have mentioned that (ZFS is so embedded in my FreeBSD "context", I always forget that some people don't use it yet). regards Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 08:11:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8722EE487 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MS6f64XCz3Fqg for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6A210276A; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCp9j6_CdW1h; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CF28102769; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics From: Christoph Kukulies In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:11:04 +0200 Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57ACC725-C60A-4CDF-8C28-B9B6E024EB01@kukulies.org> References: <0361ADCA-AE5C-44D0-BD7F-96DB0C47C6E1@kukulies.org> To: Michael Schuster X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MS6f64XCz3Fqg X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.193,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.06)[0.061,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.89), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:11:07 -0000 > Am 13.05.2020 um 09:43 schrieb Michael Schuster = : >=20 > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:31 AM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Am 13.05.2020 um 09:27 schrieb Christoph Kukulies = : >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Am 13.05.2020 um 09:07 schrieb Michael Schuster = >> : >>=20 >> =46rom the way you write it, I conclude you didn't set up a dedicated = boot >> environment ... (hint: it's not hard - 'man bectl' [or 'beadm' - = they're >> almost the same]). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> beadm, ok, a pkg/port. >>=20 >> beadm >> ERROR: This system does not boot from ZFS pool >>=20 >=20 > yes ... sorry, should have mentioned that (ZFS is so embedded in my = FreeBSD > "context", I always forget that some people don't use it yet). Can I catch up to zfs quickly ?=20 =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 09:46:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F82F1324 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MVDT6pM6z3LfZ for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id e18so4490688iog.9 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:46:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7yet1nZy9wi8MskILNWBCwitEMXXqpNT2bVkQ6KP3tM=; b=Qi4pgZ1Wy8uIMWA9RsP5nHvnIKaU1dvZ3U1VpaFlBCIn27DRWbg6ZUUQc8oMtT7MRw T6uHHS4Sq0/PdakRQAxS6PLMRBw3uzmwXvrbxAdTrKRs1Dhf5fALZK/TBkSjehckoXz5 k7UA4bWfVUEoENMNjfI2nMzsVWVcbcmcsla7NM1CFwsXu5ltv2CTdrPuy085owmIiGv1 y5Y2uEUe66XZ10b/Kf0x3lH+pGCc/kyWcY1MLD3/8SR9G5zKkdjcUz2g+6Z2Ck7CnY1y O5RHBj0p2CJE6GKrEK1m40WfEK0+EJwIGqU52RDbCoPkLXfqD612DV5bttNiYGyxtVOt EpFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7yet1nZy9wi8MskILNWBCwitEMXXqpNT2bVkQ6KP3tM=; b=WUzv4o5i1rSflUtcbx6ENuHyYQSOq+Sy4hoZLAOrXIrmu7cWpqSO+bDxObf5pTat+W 31IdgdcLykHvNb9qohD8Ez1T8rWyoNsmmZ3Ytir2cB7hOBWCMmhbLFPx7AU4bk+c3CF5 c4jD6FvOXR5AI116otRgFHgi3UXg/EV+H0enxo1ROKEaP4i0y7QFbpUTsraxZY1T3znY aSqxLjj+82uIbVnBO+3URbnpAmob675f3UZ+EXmrWqXb+DHzccaoKzHRyVkMHy508aoF zo5p2EIKylifBLa3cZPo3MpTtttSTNW8Jmd5s5aOTAjlY//x/YKh3ZkCenmvQFWfflPD dJvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubcFl6KwT1w0GohUKfbXJVvUyjjlZEER5zRKncWdib4o6dzrCeK B1i8oP8bFOOfSigG1nDi/NduN+tqgkQTp0c8nFA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJo5+nh+xFaX2mgcYD6WB966SwJ2xNODvynIUZsXTcXjj3aLZT8zKfV36fHCJACHQv9Cy2w+iKqPIA1wDC0p4o= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:c249:: with SMTP id w9mr5806159iop.128.1589363176557; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:46:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: ZFS [Re: kldload vboxvfs.ko panics] To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MVDT6pM6z3LfZ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Qi4pgZ1W; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.28), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:46:18 -0000 Hi Christoph, I'm changing the subject ... because the subject changed :-) On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:11 AM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > yes ... sorry, should have mentioned that (ZFS is so embedded in my > FreeBSD > > "context", I always forget that some people don't use it yet). > > Can I catch up to zfs quickly ? I'm sure you can :-) I don't have any links to online resources handy, I guess your fav. search engine can produce those in sufficient number. A few things I find relevant: The very basic conceptual difference between ufs and zfs is that zfs is a volume manager + file system all in one. The basic "unit" zfs works in is a pool - the simplest pool consists of a single disk, but the number of disks (and therefore the size of the storage it offers) you can have in a pool is large (there are practical limits, but the implementations don't impose any you'll reach in your life time ;-)). Within a pool, you can arrange your disks in a stripe (ie, concatenated) or mirrored, or as so-called "raidz"s with varying levels of parity, as well as (reasonable) combinations thereof. Adding disks to existing pools is easy; I haven't been following the effort to implement disk removal, that seems to be a non-trivial effort (so think first before adding a disk you can't spare ;-)). (There are implications to how you organise your pools, esp. where pool growth is concerned; though that's a complex topic in and of itself ...) >From a pool, you can "carve out" any number of file systems. The neat thing about this is that disk space in the pool is available to all file systems until it's actually consumed, so you don't have to make hard decisions about sizing when you create the FSs. Creating a snapshot in zfs is very "cheap" (and fast). Caveat: ZFS uses a lot of *virtual* addresses (or used to while I was at Sun), so on a 32bit machine it may not be a good idea to try zfs (I don't know whether it's even supported there). AFAIK there's no ufs-to-zfs converter on the same disk, and if you want to get some hands-on exposure before committing, I'd suggest you install FreeBSD (or any Solaris derivative like illumos ;-)) with ZFS in a test (virtual) machine first to get a feeling for it. I hope that gives you an idea - I'm not the expert on ZFS by far, but if you have questions and want to send them to me offline, feel free :-) good luck! Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 11:25:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402252F2C50 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ekalavya.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x102a.google.com (mail-pj1-x102a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MXRM1xswz3Qxg for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ekalavya.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x102a.google.com with SMTP id k7so5972263pjs.5 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:subject:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=Rmojz0DHgZrOuyIr7JRVPZ3Mte2wJmmfDv9ax9PDPgY=; b=NcElcPb8xSebIWcLjD/JKHS2rPhNisBB9S/3pjDmKmogJ1m/NPB7aUlE5jPrlDsUHa 0ekKdQYo3A1KsQiYzf53/Pv2/eQ9wSLP5Bonwg4Dkm6pVE1hiG6TFVuMRU1jANy8p5Lv CVTqbtHciO7FlO8xxyIYZV6eiBNyZ5DbxSnoS0GsjGAfcRdStIUdZ7HxEj0S+YGUvElq DjwqcNW3V1QDjlyDQIxqvpEmzNXAfuxbZTMIMLgkblIb+Un/LgzWfa8S3yQyN6zSLSLp 4ho9Nfv00NtXmnO2Fup+m2PbJHA+v07+9MtsBnrSwK/P2hJd3Ne2KJfvPLV3ABVGUPV4 gNvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:subject:message-id:user-agent :mime-version; bh=Rmojz0DHgZrOuyIr7JRVPZ3Mte2wJmmfDv9ax9PDPgY=; b=deRz3BLEsDpW2YXgMqxJsSfpkXYYlgOOZzJtYxixrGDzW5Op3vtAd1INWJJe0xqP+T xZfdlTlw8SFjnN4v9VfaiKkCYHsRGcPkZDiIGEz46GYQS/faNhlMUUkGZ1z6lsa/d5rv 2nBGWMzw/9D5ApwVVQbXMqThWQhPT+Vx4GjRZpJOSuxXuUDzhhaBW5g4nHKuh8ps8T4A FTt23clPO1s0CY80i2nlZ3BSEbKr9k4KotiTDpSrItAOaCwWqaWyQ238vNfu39xg9QEz coA8PXbdRaCSZOHoBybB3DDyT3URzpuAnnCZ0IUi/DvWzLKfoCiCteOKmhffp0/J5kM8 mYcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaRubCQJN+t7R9Z2dUvyywgsvY5kR+/Vqee7Tl4QLcSyJEtfJvB iOv5rH+mOnobifkgcnMEeeN6AnVs X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLzRv8/7oJlcd3krtu4ZgTP0H25mphlxm53+Ii2E5IFrKzJpzBK5/NUKi44Gl0OjhIKEq5AEw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ae0d:: with SMTP id t13mr32348648pjq.1.1589369149068; Wed, 13 May 2020 04:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([171.76.51.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v1sm14733819pjs.36.2020.05.13.04.25.47 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 May 2020 04:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ekalavya X-Google-Original-From: Ekalavya Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:55:35 +0530 (IST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Viewing loader tunables in console Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MXRM1xswz3Qxg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NcElcPb8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ekalavyabsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ekalavyabsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.51.76.171.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-4.25), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:25:52 -0000 I know that sysctl tunables are viewable using the sysctl command, but I am having trouble viewing loader tunables like kern.vt.fb.default_mode. I need to know this before I start setting values for them in my loader.conf file. How do I do this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 11:51:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534722F331A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MY0x69VJz3xKl for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: On a serious note, what I'd change about FreeBSD hier(7) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 05:51:26 -0600 References: <83788746a7d8a802d8af4b582e00827166febd1a.camel@tom.com> <20200506172115.cb3b572b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200506214540.247500820cf8701968ac01c9@sohara.org> <20200512190812259650810@bob.proulx.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6CA92BC4-DB17-4B6E-ACC9-9759BB6AC4F7@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MY0x69VJz3xKl X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (-0.33), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.06), asn: 209(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:51:31 -0000 On 12 May 2020, at 23:33, Manish Jain = wrote: > Perhaps you might like to remember another location : /opt >=20 > That is entirely unused in the default config in FreeBSD, and I think = /opt/bin makes a good location for the user's own software. User software goes in ~/bin. Admin user=E2=80=99s software that is used = by the system goes in /usr/local/bin. I see no need for /opt/bin, what would you put there? --=20 Magic doesn't come from talent, it comes from pain. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 12:03:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE382F42D7 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MYGZ1dXGz3yNh for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951CF10276A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:03:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IZQcqS9L5JoC for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:03:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9FAC102769 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:03:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Sata CD/DVD errors 12.1 Message-Id: <27851BB4-A35B-4566-852A-6960F545685F@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:03:15 +0200 To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MYGZ1dXGz3yNh X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.190,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.89), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.40)[0.399,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:03:19 -0000 Recently I built in a brandnew DVD drive (Sata) into my bit aged ASRock = MB (amd64). I=E2=80=99m producing CD dumps (using dd) Whil doing this, I=E2=80=99m = getting bunch of these errors: (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 63 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 63 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 26 00 00 04 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical block = address out of range) (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back The dd went though, though. =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 12:31:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEB02F5B63 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MYtX57Gkz417k for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7826810276A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3BahZ-oAUBp for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:30:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2508102769 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:30:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Sata CD/DVD errors 12.1 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:30:58 +0200 References: <27851BB4-A35B-4566-852A-6960F545685F@kukulies.org> To: freeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <27851BB4-A35B-4566-852A-6960F545685F@kukulies.org> Message-Id: <1A0F80EF-3C7B-45EA-8453-DD9F6649A62A@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MYtX57Gkz417k X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.88), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.862,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.969,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:31:01 -0000 BTW, what I found, was, that the last dumps I did from the pile of 20 I = have to copy, two had less bytes thans the other ones: -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 687974400 May 11 12:59 cd2_dump.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 687974400 May 11 13:15 cd3_dump.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 681885696 May 12 16:30 cd4_dump.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 681885696 May 13 12:40 cd5_dump.iso > Am 13.05.2020 um 14:03 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > Recently I built in a brandnew DVD drive (Sata) into my bit aged = ASRock MB (amd64). > I=E2=80=99m producing CD dumps (using dd) Whil doing this, I=E2=80=99m = getting bunch of these errors: >=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 63 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 63 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 26 00 00 04 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 00 00 21 46 64 00 00 01 00=20 > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:21,0 (Logical = block address out of range) > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error > (cd0:ahcich4:0:0:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back >=20 > The dd went though, though. >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Christoph >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 12:32:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90FB2F5C60 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MYwh0pKWz41Qr for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F53A10276A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:32:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJl76ZFsgw6E for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:32:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0C38102769 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:32:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Sata CD/DVD errors 12.1 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:32:50 +0200 References: <27851BB4-A35B-4566-852A-6960F545685F@kukulies.org> <1A0F80EF-3C7B-45EA-8453-DD9F6649A62A@kukulies.org> To: freeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1A0F80EF-3C7B-45EA-8453-DD9F6649A62A@kukulies.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MYwh0pKWz41Qr X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.18)[-0.180,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MANY_INVISIBLE_PARTS(0.10)[2]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.45)[0.453,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.88), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:32:52 -0000 > Am 13.05.2020 um 14:30 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > BTW, what I found, was, that the last dumps I did from the pile of 20 = I have to copy, two had less bytes thans the other ones: >=20 > -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 687974400 May 11 12:59 cd2_dump.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 687974400 May 11 13:15 cd3_dump.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 681885696 May 12 16:30 cd4_dump.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 kuku kuku 681885696 May 13 12:40 cd5_dump.iso >=20 >=20 Ah, I see. 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Admin user’s software that is used by the system goes in /usr/local/bin. > > I see no need for /opt/bin, what would you put there? > > User software goes into ~/bin - that's right but with a caveat. What goes into ~/bin is user-specific. If I wrote a system-wide application intended to be available to all users of this particular computer, /opt/bin would make a good choice. It's of course merely a suggestion, but does help to keep /usr/local/bin cleanly reserved for what gets installed via pkg/ports. 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Wed, 13 May 2020 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Viewing loader tunables in console To: Ekalavya , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <397eb294-7fc1-ac8d-6dca-76f1153ad2d4@fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:15:06 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49McBl0g1Zz46Hm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=YnyAA4fk; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=1iNnVXQH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 64.147.123.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; 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How do I do this? There's no default value, most likely, and according to man page, the default_mode one is only used with KMS video driver, are you using one? Looking at the older drm code that is still in tree (sys/dev/drm2/drm_fb_helper.c), all it does is reading per-output setting, and if none, using the default_mode one. Most likely the newer in ports does the same; I didn't check and don't have access to anything using drm drivers at the moment. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 14:29:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18F92F79D2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49McVr5PYnz46ls for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.183]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N7iOw-1j4t9t29r8-014iCI; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:28:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:28:47 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: On a serious note, what I'd change about FreeBSD hier(7) Message-Id: <20200513162847.329d42d3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <6CA92BC4-DB17-4B6E-ACC9-9759BB6AC4F7@kreme.com> References: <83788746a7d8a802d8af4b582e00827166febd1a.camel@tom.com> <20200506172115.cb3b572b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200506214540.247500820cf8701968ac01c9@sohara.org> <20200512190812259650810@bob.proulx.com> <6CA92BC4-DB17-4B6E-ACC9-9759BB6AC4F7@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WYWS4OighAo1YFEShOJmTR/O+aSdiYdmRiuAsJKmUqQGXt1VIAH E3qNGAu4XgGtpQi6gG3jBtIWSDxkamSFciqIBovb41pdpeA4mOwVv3fL6A11cxoSa9bv0iA vSPE/GD3UWt8E0gy/gKvN6+oCGn0nUfhrxSAyf9Hx9cJ7ToxRf0jHAFfhKcAVRrwG9dkJiy 6YOIhhzDJu64FI6iwl3MA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pZYc23wWu0U=:BJmT8vgNnDAgj2NuJCcgKM 6UgAQ8oGcn9kqWzRuT+qPzneJA7F78fm9X2Nz3hKAbtocwiRuhLml6rHY1SGtkL+xjLBkSeRs XZzUSAiuBItJsG7eKZ6I9k1KlU6DRxpaqvlligNTbyW0tFUlZ064CtfmMQL9FBMmPfFGg0ftf eDPwH5XNIRZefl2DPznVmJm7olkRiNosp5O/eUR9dLcwSarjcy4ySqrZD47LxH3Dgka/toisP kx7kbhQ6yYUsFRjm+QZPZbFwf+kZvMmkjRULAn/gaHQFA2FZuCNyHwqfgQHtDCrKkJvJ5Fcw4 Bg13Kp+phZSxoOw8/8MJFUUj8+EJ/CaCXDwUNFJWX6qGBiKQZUP66K+PiF+fQn4JOYRsvJaHG UmxYLRJJ2IqrGJurxn5zPIHTwEbXGKh32bJXgoyJRuzHXxv8Z9OwE/fgdf4V5dJxD5vt27jbK FQG/qnXbv2wC12AbtVIr5iV5Kn4iXhMO+g+ObFGJKfMB0PjZrFGyIyLUJyXpn8SH5OFtadtuR pRL8OCki55hGuBpGBETluVMJwWxd7cPIP/5lgx1cT3kNC7avS8Qd8tlbCz18W6uQmbwcGe9Nt TuyJ8svpohGTvC2cTxnUqZRoImB0mg7gqdwyBfuwmjWK0DhSlbOQgdM4GS6fC67vYYds/SMG6 /1q9Gmm3/bfNfqoRcp3bEKIWtssheCdoWivK0vhBR/wECi6DGdQ91naLGxX+/CxyTSExMJpA2 Z0uMXNIP6oHIFTx1UbwjncSUks5mmIBhWsV+n9h7q9E6zBQbrTEBhhrKgrP95w4tV4UpnKXMJ iRUL3LkbQZRwvJIu7DncWMZAwnDo30OqAw+CMH5DIMRc1oY841CLauoYksoZu9jgyaviRGL X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49McVr5PYnz46ls X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[183.23.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.995,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.45)[ip: (1.47), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.00), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:29:09 -0000 On Wed, 13 May 2020 05:51:26 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 12 May 2020, at 23:33, Manish Jain wrote: > > Perhaps you might like to remember another location : /opt > > > > That is entirely unused in the default config in FreeBSD, > > and I think /opt/bin makes a good location for the user's own software. > > User software goes in ~/bin. Correct - that is "user-locally installed software", out of the scope of system administration. In many cases, it's user scripts, but can also be actual binary programs built from source by the user. > Admin user’s software that is used by the system goes in /usr/local/bin. In my opinion, and following "man 7 hier" and the ideas and concepts it tries to convey, /usr/local, being a subtree of /usr, emphasizes that what is contained in there is managed by the system, i. e., 3rd party software installed via pkg or from source using the ports collection. This software is typically installed by the system administrator as it does require UID 0 permissions. Additionally, /usr/local is "regulated" - it uses the same layout as the base system, so there's /usr/local/bin with the same purpose as /usr/bin, and similarly for lib/, share/, include/ and so on. The manual page explains this. So /usr/local emphasizes the fact that stuff located there is tied to the system, and managed by the system (pkg). > I see no need for /opt/bin, what would you put there? The idea behind /opt is that is _out of reach_ of the OS-managed package system. Here a system administrator (!) can add programs and scripts that are not part of the ports collection, but shall be available to all users (unlike his own set of scripts, to be used by root only, which are in /root/bin). User can make /opt/bin a part of their $PATH (or there is a system-wide setting to do so). Software in /opt also has to be updated and recompiled manually; pkg will not be there to deal with them. As /opt is not covered in system layout trees, it can be any other non-assigned name, like /local or /apps or whatever you wish. Another concept is that if /opt is a separate filesystem or partition, it can be mounted with -o noexec, so for example during installation or updates, users cannot execute programs that reside there. There is no specific layout for /opt. The idea of /opt/bin is for convenience and central application access. In many cases, you'll find /opt/ for each additionally installed software package, and what happens inside there is none of the system's business - any program can decide on its own. Linking the binary or launcher to /opt/bin is just convenient. It is also possible to use /opt to install software that is run by tools like wine, SimH, or Hercules (but managed outside their local program directories in /usr/local or user directories such as ~/.wine). Programs executed by other programs, such as custom print filters, can go to /opt/libexec. /opt/src can hold sources for building "non-managed" programs. That is of course only _one_ possible interpretation of how to use /opt. The idea is to differentiate /opt as being totally optional from /usr/local being dealt with by pkg, but _both_ are locations accessible by _all_ users. Of course, it is technically possible to also maintain stuff in /opt using pkg, but why should someone do that? ;-) Please see my earlier reply on this topic for more description. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 14:37:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1F52F7DA5 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: from mail-01.thismonkey.com (mail-01.thismonkey.com [IPv6:2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thismonkey.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Mcht32hZz47NQ for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) X-TM-Via-MX: mail-01.thismonkey.com Received: from utility-01.thismonkey.com (utility-01.thismonkey.com [IPv6:2406:3400:35e:6601:0:0:a01:120]) by mail-01.thismonkey.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04DEbYCp024944 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 00:37:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: from utility-01.thismonkey.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by utility-01.thismonkey.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 04DEbXCv059588 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 00:37:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by utility-01.thismonkey.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 04DEbXR2059573 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 00:37:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 00:37:33 +1000 From: Scott To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: sdiff showing ^M on left side, not right Message-ID: <20200513143733.GA49605@thismonkey.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.4 (2019-03-13) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.2 at mail-01.thismonkey.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mcht32hZz47NQ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=thismonkey.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com designates 2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[thismonkey.com,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.83)[ip: (-7.97), ipnet: 2406:3400:300::/40(-3.99), asn: 10143(2.80), country: AU(0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10143, ipnet:2406:3400:300::/40, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:37:53 -0000 Hi all, is there any way to get sdiff to either a) not show ^M in the left column, or b) show the ^M in both columns where both files have 0x0d0a at the end of lines? Seems a bit inconsistent to only show ^M on the left. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 14:39:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DACD2F7EBD for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Mckw0dx3z47Tt for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.183]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5VXu-1j2h8e0nPe-016zzG; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:39:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:39:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: On a serious note, what I'd change about FreeBSD hier(7) Message-Id: <20200513163924.1a65016c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <83788746a7d8a802d8af4b582e00827166febd1a.camel@tom.com> <20200506172115.cb3b572b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200506214540.247500820cf8701968ac01c9@sohara.org> <20200512190812259650810@bob.proulx.com> <6CA92BC4-DB17-4B6E-ACC9-9759BB6AC4F7@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FQC5dlrupl+8LqQQ1gt8hLodmI8Hcv6IBMzNAuVTftp4RAYAYVY 45Rubb/vnAs2RLJIs6GHdea+wpwUKmxJBzmWIpXTqOkRJVdMI0R7t8XijrcujL8nAn+6qXa Kq7mkJ6Zn5WShnFNIT0uz1goVFiko/B4KOo2PJje8Exyryj7TOLmmH2EhjnbzD3Ae/IHrf/ tM+IUjUIoVpXbTBvw7uNA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:X0GSB20hesY=:sU7gTdPnaQQtFbeYhOKlRW rhdvnT8Qav/1rRW5OcpZsiAsWW7CQNwaC9OUa7L/x9GiShrVg7+XCv8wXdtTo6coYn+tskf/I HBq90UrdGL6Pjhl10f/FAy7V8k7RQeTvFetaM/xj5bAvEYEzcuzVPO3ahTbnYnFr2av75KAI9 iYuS41qBa0S5QjjYCAEGuwkEhXV2oL5QkUU9IpSXcqdGn8nDXrwmjFknm1X1CXmz3yTSm9fwp 52IQNXny6Rd9k/4vHQ56RjAI63LZ8EJSdosNCzLPYIBlkN57Qw/aSTRWPXH7hIFEBbYKvIH8w JYgUDYTTu69W/ueFzHUpyZ195h2kALGYuA4vrper1iy5LGB7yNDKa6uCKZJrh64EtU02ATadV IIBwPS2qZSUJAUjA4mKU5ENzc/XgahK3ouottYA1LR09UNQx2rkLiCWq4RZGHlhaDKXjLkrxi 7NKhRCFLESyGx6gh6R9AsHyi2BMjqHVdJLXjtHv/o8SFzw4+sX9mSFZV8SQ2j3fvRMPNC5n8i Te52ldhxzzQIg0NZESaKIH/HLnxDA8tyWuuzdBVDgXocxH/M/N/wbZqKirxcbvgOmUK5Js4Pn pK5a2GGFg1ZEN38CbMt3bnz3CpmrXxurJPQO50b++ns8D7HrXjEWC7RsvL+kS4sI/WNNk94Op W3eDsEU02L81X9dvJLu5O5CCraVfUrMAuO0dnQ2VL0xbuslzsDIa9YaZHR/yUZ6ASpJ6o7zH0 UfLdfcMXwAAhFlMjueOMXXw/oQaCLWFku79XljC92xCkRvRXBVHiCwVU+NLN2lKLiPpgWne/F +PFyey2E6o/48xHDb3N5centCn5USJW9DesixRf4jkOAedRIzUglP1h4DXgdqdwwkngG4U1 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mckw0dx3z47Tt X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.67 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[183.23.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.987,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ip: (0.63), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.00), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:39:37 -0000 On Wed, 13 May 2020 19:21:24 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > > > On 2020-05-13 17:21, @lbutlr wrote: > > On 12 May 2020, at 23:33, Manish Jain wrote: > >> Perhaps you might like to remember another location : /opt > >> > >> That is entirely unused in the default config in FreeBSD, and I think /opt/bin makes a good location for the user's own software. > > > > User software goes in ~/bin. Admin user’s software that is used by the system goes in /usr/local/bin. > > > > I see no need for /opt/bin, what would you put there? > > > > > > User software goes into ~/bin - that's right but with a caveat. What > goes into ~/bin is user-specific. > > If I wrote a system-wide application intended to be available to all > users of this particular computer, /opt/bin would make a good choice. Exactly! Whatever happens in ~/bin is local to the user, and no other user can (per default) access software installed to that place. A special case is /root/bin where the system administrator can keep helper scripts that are not interesting to anyone else. If your program is not managed using the ports collection, but you simply compile it yourself, putting it into /opt/bin is a very convenient approach, especially if all users have a $PATH that includes that non-standard executable directory. The location /opt/bin is also very good for programs that have non-standard naming and structure for their "non-managed" installation. For example: Program "foo": /opt/foo -> directory where it's located /opt/foo/program/foo -> the actual executable /opt/foo/assets/ -> various program components /opt/foo/temp/ -> a non-standard temporary storage Program "bar": /opt/bar -> again, program's base directory /opt/bar/labar.sh -> the executable (a launcher script) /opt/bar/stuff.dat -> program data /opt/bar/blah.txz -> further program data /opt/bar/baz.zip -> even more program data For convenient "program starters": /opt/bin/foo@ -> /opt/foo/program/foo /opt/bin/bar@ -> /opt/bar/labar.sh Now users can execute "foo" and "bar". In case a specific "preparation" is needed, the symlinks can be replaced with shell scripts that can, for example, set certain environment variables, create required dummy files or even change permissions if needed; they can also do "clean up" after the program terminated. As you can see, /opt, as it is not "regulated", can deal with "flat layouts", "custom trees" and anything just fine. :-) > It's of course merely a suggestion, but does help to keep /usr/local/bin > cleanly reserved for what gets installed via pkg/ports. Yes. That is the lesson of "man 7 hier". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 14:55:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C592F8818 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Md5g11Ysz48lv for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.143.112]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D0674E66B for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:48:41 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Valeri Galtsev Subject: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? Message-ID: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:48:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Md5g11Ysz48lv X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (0.49), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.24), asn: 160(0.20), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:55:52 -0000 Dear All, I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3. I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. Or, maybe, install it using pip (pip 3 with python v. 3.x) as mailman website describes for variety of scenarios? This basically brings server update one step towards mess. I kept repeating to people I work for who start using python as significant part of their work environment: Python is a sneaky snake. Namely, python paces fast with changing internals version to version (meaning minor versions here, not only major one). Thus, variety of modules one starts using have to keep up, but some may lag behind, then one may get stuck to older version of something, forcing older version of everything. Not to mention this whole thing being update nightmare. All the time I was mentioning as a counter example: mailman. Though it is written in python, programmers are brilliant to use only fundamental things, thus resulting in product that never brings you any trouble (I mean here myself). I have a bad feeling I can't say the same anymore. One of the indications is: they offer docker container with mailman 3, which in my book indicates exactly that bad thing: "we need a bunch of other things which we can not predict to exist or change in a future, so it is hard to guarantee we will live in some general up-to-date environment of variety of modern systems... so we give you composed environment that will guarantee or product to work in..." I am really upset by my own thoughts. That said, we all know nothing lasts forever. The decision to use mailman was made a couple of decades ago. So, the choice was right, really long lasting, which I'm still happy about. This all leads me to my second question: maybe it is time to replace mailman with some other maillist suite. If someone already made this decision, could you share the reasons, and your new choice: Replacement for mailman? Thanks. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 15:48:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E1B2F945A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MfGz4w18z4C76 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86A243449 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from PD0786.local (130.31-255-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.255.31.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7AC711DF4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/B7AC711DF4; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: matthew@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:48:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:59 -0000 On 13/05/2020 15:48, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now > that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman > 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I > wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3. > I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. There's a long thread about this already on the freebsd-ports@ list, starting with this message: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2020-April/118351.html and there's this PR: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225543 The problem is that mailman3 is apparently badly documented; has been rewritten in a way significantly incompatible with existing mailman2 setups and despite being 5 years old, is still missing some important functionality that mailman2 has. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 15:54:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B812F98A9 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter06.peak.org (filter06.peak.org [69.59.194.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MfPc2rT1z4CbP for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:54:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta01.peak.org ([207.55.16.111]) by filter06.peak.org ({0c47b2c3-829a-4f18-b445-de68be8d048d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20200513155433880_0000 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:33 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta01.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783769914D for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta01.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta01.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id K9Z9BnrqOiHI for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org [207.55.17.96]) by zmail-mta01.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9819A46D for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localnet ([127.0.0.1] helo=elm.localnet) by elm.localnet with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jYtiF-000OkJ-5k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:27 -0700 Received: (from carlj@localhost) by elm.localnet (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 04DFsQYJ095126; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj) From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Viewing loader tunables in console References: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Ekalavya's message of "Wed, 13 May 2020 16:55:35 +0530 (IST)") Message-ID: <863683sudq.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MfPc2rT1z4CbP X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 69.59.194.82 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[82.194.59.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:395796, ipnet:69.59.194.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:54:46 -0000 Ekalavya writes: > I know that sysctl tunables are viewable using the sysctl command, but > I am having trouble viewing loader tunables like > kern.vt.fb.default_mode. I need to know this before I start setting > values for them in my loader.conf file. How do I do this? I think that the kenv(1) command will list them. I am not an expert, so anybody please correct me if this is wrong. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 15:58:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE262F9C26 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [IPv6:2607:5600:bd::1:1000]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MfVM4j17z4Cxc for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 85154F8; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:58:44 -0400 From: Greg Veldman To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? Message-ID: <20200513155844.GA1068@aurora.gregv.net> References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MfVM4j17z4Cxc X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gregv.net has no SPF policy when checking 2607:5600:bd::1:1000) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gregv.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gregv.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.980,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:2607:5600::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.71)[asn: 31863(3.60), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:58:52 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now > that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman > 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I > wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3. > I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. I was typing a reply to this when I saw Matthew's note come in, I can't add anything to what he said so I won't try. ;-) > I kept repeating to people I work for who start using python as > significant part of their work environment: Python is a sneaky snake. > Namely, python paces fast with changing internals version to version > (meaning minor versions here, not only major one). Thus, variety of > modules one starts using have to keep up, but some may lag behind, then > one may get stuck to older version of something, forcing older version > of everything. Not to mention this whole thing being update nightmare. One could say the same thing of virtually any software written in virtually any language. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot. It's a real thing. Though to be fair to Python, I also run several sites based on the Django web framework, including some that are fairly complex, utilize a lot of packages for Django, and have significant local development efforts invested. In the Python3 line, I've not yet had a version upgrade that was anything more than a drop-in replacement. The major issue between Python2 and Python3 is they changed the way strings are represented internally, and it turns out that's a fairly important change for a software package that processes email messages all day... > This all leads me to my second question: maybe it is time to replace > mailman with some other maillist suite. If someone already made this > decision, could you share the reasons, and your new choice: I said this in the other thread the Matthew mentioned, but if I had to switch off of Mailman to something else, in my mind Sympa looks like the best option currently available, based on my own personal criteria (which I won't get into here). -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 15:59:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468722F9D1E for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MfWX1yYKz4D3k for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.143.112]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FE9C4E652 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:59:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8613e709-791e-c09a-06d7-c8505d556327@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:59:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MfWX1yYKz4D3k X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.54), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.27), asn: 160(0.21), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:53 -0000 On 5/13/20 10:48 AM, matthew@FreeBSD.org wrote: > On 13/05/2020 15:48, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now >> that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is >> mailman 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 >> port. I wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about >> mailman 3. I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. > > There's a long thread about this already on the freebsd-ports@ list, > starting with this message: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2020-April/118351.html > > and there's this PR: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225543 > > The problem is that mailman3 is apparently badly documented; has been > rewritten in a way significantly incompatible with existing mailman2 > setups and despite being 5 years old, is still missing some important > functionality that mailman2 has. Thank you, Matthew! You really summarized for lazy person - me - the situation. Whereas mailman2 was brilliantly written by brilliant programmers - even with use of "sneaky snake" python, mailman3 is not such. Maybe, the programmers team has changed. Or maybe - like in Mozilla Foundation - the jumpy nonsense "production director" came there... All in all, this just confirms the vitality of second question: What is best replacement for mailman? What to migrate mail lists to? Valeri > >     Cheers, > >     Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 16:05:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5E22FA02B for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Mfdt6NZSz4DZP for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.143.112]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51DA34E66B; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? To: Greg Veldman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200513155844.GA1068@aurora.gregv.net> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <99191477-270b-3c3d-1c15-e762222cf498@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200513155844.GA1068@aurora.gregv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mfdt6NZSz4DZP X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.21)[ip: (0.58), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.29), asn: 160(0.23), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:05:23 -0000 On 5/13/20 10:58 AM, Greg Veldman wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now >> that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman >> 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I >> wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3. >> I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. > > I was typing a reply to this when I saw Matthew's note come in, > I can't add anything to what he said so I won't try. ;-) > >> I kept repeating to people I work for who start using python as >> significant part of their work environment: Python is a sneaky snake. >> Namely, python paces fast with changing internals version to version >> (meaning minor versions here, not only major one). Thus, variety of >> modules one starts using have to keep up, but some may lag behind, then >> one may get stuck to older version of something, forcing older version >> of everything. Not to mention this whole thing being update nightmare. > > One could say the same thing of virtually any software written > in virtually any language. > > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot. It's a real > thing. > > Though to be fair to Python, I also run several sites based on > the Django web framework, including some that are fairly complex, > utilize a lot of packages for Django, and have significant local > development efforts invested. In the Python3 line, I've not yet > had a version upgrade that was anything more than a drop-in > replacement. The major issue between Python2 and Python3 is > they changed the way strings are represented internally, and it > turns out that's a fairly important change for a software package > that processes email messages all day... > >> This all leads me to my second question: maybe it is time to replace >> mailman with some other maillist suite. If someone already made this >> decision, could you share the reasons, and your new choice: > > I said this in the other thread the Matthew mentioned, but if > I had to switch off of Mailman to something else, in my mind > Sympa looks like the best option currently available, based on > my own personal criteria (which I won't get into here). > Thank you, Greg. I will do my reading on sympa. Then, maybe will ask some questions some place sympa experts are likely to be (here will be first choice ;-) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 16:13:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9C32FA2DC for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Mfq14z4lz4F4Y for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (mail-qt1-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AEBC399F for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id o19so234944qtr.10 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZ1yLmRPZNgBxGhNn8B4yubhI5MGw5bDZtZVoq/+V+s4EswkTbx SD2TrXmVBjJi/8Xs7R7M5LZhVVtG7VTL8YUW9Eo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIwXlR0HV0JJW7mDTuVhrHB3rjbagR0yh/tonaYnGw2aEsNjCXP4c9S1NRXXwObiD86B7oosKt96+n0+3qbWwk= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5353:: with SMTP id d19mr20185019qto.310.1589386397151; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <863683sudq.fsf@elm.localnet> In-Reply-To: <863683sudq.fsf@elm.localnet> From: Kyle Evans Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:13:03 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Viewing loader tunables in console To: Carl Johnson Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:13:17 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Johnson wrote: > > Ekalavya writes: > > > I know that sysctl tunables are viewable using the sysctl command, but > > I am having trouble viewing loader tunables like > > kern.vt.fb.default_mode. I need to know this before I start setting > > values for them in my loader.conf file. How do I do this? > > I think that the kenv(1) command will list them. I am not an expert, so > anybody please correct me if this is wrong. They will be in the kenv, but typically only if you've actually set them in loader.conf. We don't (generally, there's probably counter-examples) export those using default values to the kenv. 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Now=20 >that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is >mailman 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 >port. I wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about >mailman 3. I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already >did. > >Or, maybe, install it using pip (pip 3 with python v. 3.x) as mailman=20 >website describes for variety of scenarios? This basically brings >server update one step towards mess. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 04:44:35PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: >Hi, > >I'm getting this error in my daily reports: > >ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "nets= tat" > >seems to hapen when daily cron runs network interface totals. > >This is a freebsd bhyve vm running on a freebsd host: > >vm: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 > ># freebsd-version -kru >12.1-RELEASE-p3 >12.1-RELEASE-p3 >12.1-RELEASE-p4 > >it's kept up-to-date with freebsd-update. The messages I get from >freebsd-update are a little odd: > ># freebsd-update fetch >src component not installed, skipped >Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. >Fetching metadata signature for 12.1-RELEASE from update1.freebsd.org... d= one. >Fetching metadata index... done. >Inspecting system... done. >Preparing to download files... done. > >No updates needed to update system to 12.1-RELEASE-p4. ># freebsd-update install >src component not installed, skipped >No updates are available to install. >Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. > >I thought netgraph etc would be taken care of by freebsd-update? How can I >fix? > >thanks, I upgraded again today with freebsd-update and rebooted. % freebsd-version -kru 12.1-RELEASE-p5 12.1-RELEASE-p5 12.1-RELEASE-p5 same error: Network interface status: ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netst= at" What's odd is it's only this one bhyve vm with it. There are other bhyve vms on the same host at the same revision without this issue. There's no /etc/src.conf or /etc/make.conf. It's otherwise working fine. --=20 J. --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl68NicACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVXBhAAjU43JBJUg0D2BUrlZz0sY1Lp8m7GsUjcYdmngAugcw5f+uvSLSlVGG9j YtHJg0XRTifHAmjHrZo9N4UCHJ8FX7QYEOd0QyvFwgTSQvu9NBzhr4Q5cBiRfPKW +s5Cicpf7EZM/HfZiC1k8k3qvQI3axXEddXRm8+qfPxBVZYsVnWAkEUaRst4iozb 3Ir2Qnr4jiWYpBjOSi13VF2PW69V3PX5cV5Ddh8SSWxbpZMAWRY3zHLnxu+UMgE7 ctyUrUW3hABMtopJ/Ytskm3TpMfwY63i9fkC7/9f2Sjz2leGrXqu2KPiFgPgu9YX FlfVy/iMQ2IkwAhu8fMo8ur4bA4rfgW2R6FJuiefsUYT6ppWZ7rxM8G7mJaf1mVj 3defGzRAF/eGe40tueHOT7ea28g/CJtzzwyruZnKU0eT3ZqZq63MQ2ooVOUz+Fd4 HytY3j8ojMx9eUdWcFKAPgRIuwFVNLunqMAe27KJ9XrU5t6hHHL5tH1aLkaLGBft EdVbpb11UbL4hCNNJj8W5IstiaAu4sFNJxC0vOulmqaBRI9YsaLt+BNdNK/Z3+c7 D2rErqRD/AG9BYLLvDJ3WCh1hDOA9Y+k0OcsL1VeqRzPPiLpZn44n7oBXExgZSdF i43g/uNAXggjZVbvKNvb7J2FdcUNY9EQSbSpUWK06wxACy65FZc= =T3rc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 18:18:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F442FC64B for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MjbP4NBMz4N7m for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5A55F2553C for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4DED87AE for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <9d3bae11-da04-3e9d-8c81-92e78fed7593@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:18:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MjbP4NBMz4N7m X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.33 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.39)[-0.389,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.84)[-0.835,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:18:27 -0000 Thanks very much for answering. That seems like a quite legit way to do this. If I am not mistaken, your idea is also what Dragonfly is doing, when been given it a /build partition during boot. As a side note. However, the insteresting question behind using variables, from a beginners point of view, is, while they all relate to building stuff, why do all of those have to be defined in different places? Like WRKDIRPREFIX in make.conf (according to portmaster(8)), MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX in src-env and absolutely not in make.conf (why ever), while DISTDIR seems to be an environment variable, that would imply /etc/profile (or csh equivalent) (https://wiki.freebsd.org/DESTDIR, albeit quite old). And of course portsnap has it's own set of variables in its own config. Anyway, for the record, so far I've managed to move /usr/src by accidentally having read some message that it is called SOURCEDIR, not SRCDIR. A first step. make.conf may not be the best place to define this, but in lack of a more appropriate place it seems to work. I may play around moving this definition. The only really documented variable, MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX= in src-env.conf, throws a lot of warnings to use ?= instead (something that at first glance would absolutely foil the whole idea behind it), but seems to work as well. At least I've managed to build and install world that way with the src, ports and obj folders having been completely deleted below /usr. While the nullmount option may eventually be the way to go for a more serious box, out of curiosity I'll try to get it up and running this way as well. And more importantly, going to understand this multitude of places. If possible for a mere mortal. Have not found time to gig into ports, but WRKDIRPREFIX and DISTDIR are the ones to set here. PORTSDIR seems only to be used by portsnap. But have to try these as of yet. I do rememeber having read somewhere that WRKDIRPREFIX may also be used for buildworld, but have so far not been able to find this information again. But thanks again very much for getting back. And if someone has some logic to share behind all this, I'm all ear. Ede Am 12.05.20 um 09:01 schrieb Dewayne Geraghty: > Hi Ede, > Something like this might help, where you construct: > /import/src > /import/ports > then on as needed basis, you can > mount_nullfs /import/src /usr/src > mount_nullfs /import/ports /usr/ports > > I have something like this when I'm using one source (for src and ports) > on a virtual disk under virtualbox (on Win) across multiple VM's. This > also means I don't have to fiddle with variables. > > Cheers. > > On 9/05/2020 5:04 am, Ede Wolf wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As the title implies, I would like to move everything src/build related >> from /usr to a different folder, let's call it /import. And since it >> won't be mounted permanently, I'd rather like not to use links. That would certainly work, but it's ugly. >> >> So I am looking for a more clean way of archiving this, but currently I am having trouble to find a >> comprehensive list of the variables, that would need to be set, and more over, where the proper place woulf be, to do so. >> More often than not it is not /etc/make.conf >> >> For MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX it is src-env.conf, but what about the others? >> >> SRCDIR, PORTSDIR, WRKDIRPREFIX, DISTFILES, WRKSRC? Is that list correct and/or complete? >> >> Is there any documentation providing a decent overview of the >> environment (base as well as ports)? 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Wed, 13 May 2020 14:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:31:07 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mjt746s8z4NfV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=ccCoR88F; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=Js3nPcrR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 64.147.123.24 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; 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The messages I get from >> freebsd-update are a little odd: >> >> # freebsd-update fetch >> src component not installed, skipped >> Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. >> Fetching metadata signature for 12.1-RELEASE from >> update1.freebsd.org... done. >> Fetching metadata index... done. >> Inspecting system... done. >> Preparing to download files... done. >> >> No updates needed to update system to 12.1-RELEASE-p4. >> # freebsd-update install >> src component not installed, skipped >> No updates are available to install. >> Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. >> >> I thought netgraph etc would be taken care of by freebsd-update? How >> can I >> fix? >> >> thanks, > > I upgraded again today with freebsd-update and rebooted. > > % freebsd-version -kru > 12.1-RELEASE-p5 > 12.1-RELEASE-p5 > 12.1-RELEASE-p5 > > same error: > > Network interface status: > ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by > "netstat" > > What's odd is it's only this one bhyve vm with it. There are other bhyve > vms > on the same host at the same revision without this issue. There's no > /etc/src.conf or /etc/make.conf. It's otherwise working fine. Is it possible that you modified netstat on this specific VM and freebsd-update refuses to update it? Does the binary match with other VMs? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 18:48:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCD82FCE5D for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MkFf0rxxz4PkL for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.183]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MadGG-1iyF1l3Qsc-00c5sP; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:48:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:48:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200513204803.2dc5fbde.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9d3bae11-da04-3e9d-8c81-92e78fed7593@nebelschwaden.de> References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> <9d3bae11-da04-3e9d-8c81-92e78fed7593@nebelschwaden.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5ZjtEQCX3P+YOhwsAQGa7XYt6V0/wnWr+wR0ENgCrFfiYVh7MEj 4op8Jha0z/pjj2CVLBvx8E9eIWdDe5wlZ4pzt1md5yYe5q/ylcG2FJlpI7lpyxaZELmx73o JVHHnlRjf2l8kWrjctrYoRzOHWG/Q17qYPWFIXnFokVI1LbAWB6etLMs5J0Mlfb2uOhluon uKgFKyqFq5lWbtc+lK8Qw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:0ocugmdjIx4=:fzy7sK59y5JrRbIeK35dzZ rgtxMnnWBSxAvECA5ah0/OYhIZeKW9mioX6+TtWNyoyDaEPH21VpCtGMDdQMi0ueGI6AjKjPf 4e547efo4RNxePhC4VwysuP0abpR5oqQHYM/+d5QTHO310pT3MOJQK9s84xtxv9iSi0MRQ+Wx 2R/HupX+mVNckcCvmqatOhkgIPcLdWMqcEuueAxe998m8t00R3Tsv6FuRy9Os6wmoKxbYomLr lgffCLc/MiyfK91N4vdA4DRdVD7Zq/plVDT0vi8DQUGpmQkbdLWKSHkB6uiLKJzS+1FTCRPq6 9O8gXvnInfTUX9rcTciFIEAMzllFTmXsHzW1PKjHDuLLKM73nYz36QMZuM9JUlm8bNii3/Nnq 8WrJYSqRF7CZQoEoumRDghUidAxO5cOr4kSFaxw6giEhHqiMq1JMDRRZ1z5oXHJPciUD1K4T4 G79Y4VCTe2hggSJLfao2ph148Rk9iC9Jmz5FAfXWu6taqjm5mn3oXQPeEpGkJPNmLpg8eVSmH MsE4rxuYb7mVG6RDJmd/33Z44bX7KfzGxxnmdb/GB5ZaoJc5zk9BdciI21dQKCg0yedPnsGiH B8cmAf2hdz0JUWWFTkt5tTmoQzDypk1KCu6AOuIyC++8+QeYpch6AqsosFTvINzM4Fs8MgS6b WWs8W7AZj2ou6jiWG1P2pCBtLxM/iqvnrZojGWq7KhR6QwQduW+3a1cECpkytS5e8wp3pEqAk gejlxQVZlM5IbWgKbdUu+5eaXuRlqyNOj4ZyQrQyjo6Pwy5WWAb0/3nwYWzWK7X/m5E4qCy/B pR/apXzbri7i10MGugsoRFLumGZW0kdXJk7N8PNe4/ResrcwFSwi3SsalkjyxLqiHd2O1s+ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MkFf0rxxz4PkL X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.13) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[183.23.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.08)[ip: (-0.39), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.00), country: DE(-0.02)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.921,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.997,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:48:07 -0000 On Wed, 13 May 2020 20:18:11 +0200, Ede Wolf wrote: > Have not found time to gig into ports, but > WRKDIRPREFIX and DISTDIR are the ones to set here. PORTSDIR seems only > to be used by portsnap. But have to try these as of yet. See "man 7 ports" for details about the supported configuration variables, section "ENVIRONMENT". > I do rememeber having read somewhere that WRKDIRPREFIX may also be used > for buildworld, but have so far not been able to find this information > again. This variable is used only in very few places, primarily in the release mechanism: /usr/src/release/release.sh and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk contain some evidence. In "man 7 release", more variables are listed. Sidenote: If you succeed in having /usr/src, /usr/obj, /usr/ports etc. in nonstandard locations, but successfully get world, kernel, and ports compiled, please report back to the list which variables you set where to what values to make it work. That would be nice for further documentation. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 19:19:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA082FD5F5 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 19:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Mky82J7yz4RK3 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 19:19:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1589397584; x=1591989584; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=y0aEsWp0IXncjoVluQUs0tB5O5MKRZm4vKr/2fW77Ko=; b=SXBquMl1g2Y3XHphidNZxDB3cA+2lg1VC1kh8ArlSzQJpKtEVP2PoTjhLfRJPnbFEZxvkPx0NFvHdXELWNCDlfi7B+fD544+HyfwHbQSNzyx6e/hCHj0iHsHkDNj9U6DKwC8LR+BH1WrWYZJr5/5FGwv8XRmEHvIgPl6tQU73cw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDViN2QwZjIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 May 2020 15:19:41 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 May 2020 15:19:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jYwuj-000C1X-5O; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:19:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:19:32 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Ede Wolf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200513201932.8dd2cc135c50d54dc8daff0c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mky82J7yz4RK3 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=SXBquMl1; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.18), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.27), asn: 7381(0.07), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10005b7d0f2.782c46a01d3f8815d16d0f83f5194ded@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:19:45 -0000 On Fri, 8 May 2020 21:04:44 +0200 Ede Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > As the title implies, I would like to move everything src/build related > from /usr to a different folder, let's call it /import. And since it > won't be mounted permanently, I'd rather like not to use links. That > would certainly work, but it's ugly. > > So I am looking for a more clean way of archiving this, but currently I > am having trouble to find a comprehensive list of the variables, that > would need to be set, and more over, where the proper place woulf be, to > do so. More often than not it is not /etc/make.conf > > For MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX it is src-env.conf, but what about the others? Yep you'll want that. > SRCDIR, PORTSDIR, WRKDIRPREFIX, DISTFILES, WRKSRC? Is that list correct SRCDIR you can leave alone, just move /usr/src anywhere you like and so long as you change into that directory to build all should be good because the Makefile sets everything up based on CURDIR. If that doesn't work then a bug report is probably in order. PORTSDIR should be enough to move the ports en-bloc, everything else defaults based off that. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 20:00:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235B2FE512 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Mlsf2W6Tz4TtW for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60483C452A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6jgD1ak5kkyQ for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22F8CC1B8A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04DK0oNn067182 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 22:00:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:00:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mlsf2W6Tz4TtW X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.47)[-0.471,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.70)[-0.699,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.40), asn: 16686(1.23), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:00:55 -0000 On 2020-05-13 20:31, Yuri Pankov wrote: > tech-lists wrote: >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 04:44:35PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm getting this error in my daily reports: >>> >>> ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" >>> >>> seems to hapen when daily cron runs network interface totals. >>> >>> This is a freebsd bhyve vm running on a freebsd host: >>> >>> vm: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 >>> >>> # freebsd-version -kru >>> 12.1-RELEASE-p3 >>> 12.1-RELEASE-p3 >>> 12.1-RELEASE-p4 >>> >>> it's kept up-to-date with freebsd-update. The messages I get from >>> freebsd-update are a little odd: >>> >>> # freebsd-update fetch >>> src component not installed, skipped >>> Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. >>> Fetching metadata signature for 12.1-RELEASE from update1.freebsd.org... done. >>> Fetching metadata index... done. >>> Inspecting system... done. >>> Preparing to download files... done. >>> >>> No updates needed to update system to 12.1-RELEASE-p4. >>> # freebsd-update install >>> src component not installed, skipped >>> No updates are available to install. >>> Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. >>> >>> I thought netgraph etc would be taken care of by freebsd-update? How can I >>> fix? >>> >>> thanks, >> >> I upgraded again today with freebsd-update and rebooted. >> >> % freebsd-version -kru >> 12.1-RELEASE-p5 >> 12.1-RELEASE-p5 >> 12.1-RELEASE-p5 >> >> same error: >> >> Network interface status: >> ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" >> >> What's odd is it's only this one bhyve vm with it. There are other bhyve vms >> on the same host at the same revision without this issue. There's no >> /etc/src.conf or /etc/make.conf. It's otherwise working fine. > > Is it possible that you modified netstat on this specific VM and freebsd-update refuses to update it? Does the binary match with other VMs? Hm, netstat should be expected to require libnetgraph.so.4 - at least on 12.1-RELEASE: $ ldd /usr/bin/netstat /usr/bin/netstat: libkvm.so.7 => /lib/libkvm.so.7 (0x80026b000) libmemstat.so.3 => /usr/lib/libmemstat.so.3 (0x80027e000) libxo.so.0 => /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x800284000) libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x8002a4000) libnetgraph.so.4 => /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 (0x8002bb000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x8002c2000) libelf.so.2 => /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x8006bb000) I.e. the problem is presumably not with netstat, but that /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 doesn't actually exist on the specific VM. I don't know whether freebsd-update can be expected to re-create files that have "gone missing" other than due to changes between FreeBSD versions, but I wouldn't think so (AFAIK /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 has been part of the release since at least 10.3-RELEASE - probably much longer, it's just the oldest version I have around). 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Wed, 13 May 2020 21:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 02:06:25 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" Message-ID: <20200514010625.GB23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MW5yreqqjyrRcusr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Mtfn5C9Dz4rNs X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm2 header.b=wPPm2Lck; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=r/ojMiJ5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 64.147.123.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.20 / 15.00]; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:30:40PM +0300, Yuri Pankov wrote: >Is it possible that you modified netstat on this specific VM and >freebsd-update refuses to update it? Does the binary match with other VMs? This is a vanilla bhyve VM. I've not modified netstat at all. Running freebsd-update IDS shows no changes outside of those you'd expect like /etd/passwd and /etc/ssh/sshd_config (this was modified because I've put ss= hd on a non-standard port). Yes the binary matches other vms (unless you have a particular method in mi= nd to compare). On the affected host: root@REDACTED:~ # netstat ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netst= at" root@REDACTED:~ # ls -lah /usr/bin/netstat -r-xr-sr-x 1 root kmem 157K Nov 17 01:03 /usr/bin/netstat --=20 J. --MW5yreqqjyrRcusr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl68maMACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXltxAAhV/4W6NtmfUIw2PT3qxMYTvZWKqKEY+NtzlGab8mqSzsdGHsDNAi+v04 A59t/vySUlUL+VkYsvld3pAu40Ht6rj6cqRvjfchx/dXECh9kNY6z4+qb/wMDiiR s42a1yEur/mP0OZvxIhm0TbxemODLqPnMrxDr5CUpacE80n/xppuNVtMTGP6iXuF aa36iKbqd2cMNfD/2oAcyK0suvpg2AyhV0kSbEg6vtal9EgTZE/4Rhr8poerRtft pLaIAU1diHvpthiltPTHA5Fy4LnfoBKxTqg/pVxON3nEto1gS0w9Ua13tgc43CRK 64ctXySy1vW7IuhL9rjQiVJO918KjMaPWELb0K0UE5GjnM/JTFOTdH+EWWvMhSfF rfAWKRM7vLevpw3ywpeHUXZH+ZWR3PoHyJ+LUi7/JIZqh571YIREQXSgODWEZC8G 02g36/gC575i5j8RZKkZAbUk2TCDJxawXYBUpC3Lx+NJx4SdRKwoPWLj6wB4HdAj EsyOcxZeq9YaFfhIPAThoyyD2pgXGhkxcU6unnoPmLNm5pr/e7IK9C7LTYdiW1YJ uOMfMbEwKyCVe4cNNCGmIr8g/BQzsT5PskqjN3jZW8dW+fUs+IrF3QkuM83w1++J VnYO5nhYPokS8wUTyD1PadEvoigkXQ9R8UewFK+MIKLLIkDRc9o= =PNWD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MW5yreqqjyrRcusr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 01:11:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B92DDD54 for ; 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 01:11:56 -0000 On Wed, 13 May 2020, Yuri Pankov wrote: > There's no default value, most likely, and according to man page, the > default_mode one is only used with KMS video driver, are you using one? I am using a KMS driver (i915kms, base). > Looking at the older drm code that is still in tree > (sys/dev/drm2/drm_fb_helper.c), all it does is reading per-output setting, > and if none, using the default_mode one. Most likely the newer in ports does > the same; I didn't check and don't have access to anything using drm drivers > at the moment. I will give it a read. Thanks for your time. 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Wed, 13 May 2020 21:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 02:15:37 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" Message-ID: <20200514011537.GC23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E13BgyNx05feLLmH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MtsP3GT6z4s2d X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm2 header.b=27QhJ6AE; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=AMSYyKaF; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 64.147.123.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.20 / 15.00]; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:00:23PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > >Hm, netstat should be expected to require libnetgraph.so.4 - at least >on 12.1-RELEASE: > >$ ldd /usr/bin/netstat >/usr/bin/netstat: > libkvm.so.7 =3D> /lib/libkvm.so.7 (0x80026b000) > libmemstat.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib/libmemstat.so.3 (0x80027e000) > libxo.so.0 =3D> /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x800284000) > libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x8002a4000) > libnetgraph.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 (0x8002bb000) > libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x8002c2000) > libelf.so.2 =3D> /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x8006bb000) > >I.e. the problem is presumably not with netstat, but that >/usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 doesn't actually exist on the specific VM. I >don't know whether freebsd-update can be expected to re-create files >that have "gone missing" other than due to changes between FreeBSD >versions, but I wouldn't think so (AFAIK /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 has >been part of the release since at least 10.3-RELEASE - probably much >longer, it's just the oldest version I have around). Here's my ldd output from the affected vm: root@REDACTED:~ # ldd /usr/bin/netstat /usr/bin/netstat: libkvm.so.7 =3D> /lib/libkvm.so.7 (0x80026b000) libmemstat.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib/libmemstat.so.3 (0x80027e000) libxo.so.0 =3D> /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x800284000) libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x8002a4000) libnetgraph.so.4 =3D> not found (0) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x8002bb000) libelf.so.2 =3D> /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x8006b4000) root@REDACTED:~ #=20 >Does it work to run netstat outside of cron? No. root@REDACTED:~ # netstat ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netst= at" root@REDACTED:~ #=20 Maybe the "fix" would be to copy libnetgraph.so.4 from another vm. But what= 's worrying for me is, how was this file "lost" in the first place? Hardly any console/ssh interaction is used on this particular vm. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 03:53:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2CE2E3E2D for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 03:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MyLl6sP4z3Jq1 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 03:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jZ4xT-000HWy-Hx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 21:54:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:54:55 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 11 + server as L2TP server using radius authentication Message-ID: <20200514035455.GA66400@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MyLl6sP4z3Jq1 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.51)[-0.514,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; URIBL_PBL(0.02)[empire.kred]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.45)[0.449,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 204.209.81.0/24(-0.16), asn: 6171(-0.13), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 03:53:21 -0000 Hello , can one set up L2TP VPN on FreeBSD 11+ using radius? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism No change on the outside will affect the problem within the heart. -unknown From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 04:17:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C908E2E4A0B for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 04:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@nerdbynature.de) Received: from trent.utfs.org (trent.utfs.org [IPv6:2a03:3680:0:3::67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MytY3L3Tz3L0Y for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 04:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@nerdbynature.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by trent.utfs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C078F63BA7; Thu, 14 May 2020 06:17:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Christian Kujau To: The Doctor cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11 + server as L2TP server using radius authentication In-Reply-To: <20200514035455.GA66400@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Message-ID: References: <20200514035455.GA66400@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (DEB 395 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MytY3L3Tz3L0Y X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lists@nerdbynature.de has no SPF policy when checking 2a03:3680:0:3::67) smtp.mailfrom=lists@nerdbynature.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.71)[-0.712,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[asn: 33824(-0.00), country: DE(-0.02)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nerdbynature.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.12)[-0.121,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:2a03:3680::/48, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 04:17:26 -0000 On Wed, 13 May 2020, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hello , can one set up L2TP VPN on FreeBSD 11+ using radius? Yes. -- BOFH excuse #50: Change in Earth's rotational speed From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 04:39:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6A22E4FB7 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 04:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49MzN53Zwcz3Ll8 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 04:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jZ5gC-0001mL-Bp; Wed, 13 May 2020 22:41:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:41:08 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Christian Kujau Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11 + server as L2TP server using radius authentication Message-ID: <20200514044108.GA5809@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20200514035455.GA66400@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MzN53Zwcz3Ll8 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.68)[-0.682,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; URIBL_PBL(0.02)[empire.kred]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.43)[0.429,0]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 204.209.81.0/24(-0.16), asn: 6171(-0.13), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 04:39:34 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:17:15PM -0700, Christian Kujau wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2020, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Hello , can one set up L2TP VPN on FreeBSD 11+ using radius? > > Yes. How, i.e. what steps? > -- > BOFH excuse #50: > > Change in Earth's rotational speed > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism No change on the outside will affect the problem within the heart. -unknown From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 09:10:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158812EA29B for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49N5NX2222z456V for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085E5C1120 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5qcTGLUWtC1w for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF7D7C1082 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04E9AFg3069207 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 11:10:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> <20200514011537.GC23072@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <0278cb1e-8084-6dce-5ac7-1e5297ff40d5@hedeland.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:10:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200514011537.GC23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49N5NX2222z456V X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.20)[-0.196,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.619,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.39), asn: 16686(1.22), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 09:10:21 -0000 On 2020-05-14 03:15, tech-lists wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:00:23PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >> >> Hm, netstat should be expected to require libnetgraph.so.4 - at least >> on 12.1-RELEASE: >> >> $ ldd /usr/bin/netstat >> /usr/bin/netstat: >> libkvm.so.7 => /lib/libkvm.so.7 (0x80026b000) >> libmemstat.so.3 => /usr/lib/libmemstat.so.3 (0x80027e000) >> libxo.so.0 => /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x800284000) >> libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x8002a4000) >> libnetgraph.so.4 => /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 (0x8002bb000) >> libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x8002c2000) >> libelf.so.2 => /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x8006bb000) >> >> I.e. the problem is presumably not with netstat, but that >> /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 doesn't actually exist on the specific VM. I >> don't know whether freebsd-update can be expected to re-create files >> that have "gone missing" other than due to changes between FreeBSD >> versions, but I wouldn't think so (AFAIK /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 has >> been part of the release since at least 10.3-RELEASE - probably much >> longer, it's just the oldest version I have around). > > Here's my ldd output from the affected vm: > > root@REDACTED:~ # ldd /usr/bin/netstat > /usr/bin/netstat: > libkvm.so.7 => /lib/libkvm.so.7 (0x80026b000) > libmemstat.so.3 => /usr/lib/libmemstat.so.3 (0x80027e000) > libxo.so.0 => /lib/libxo.so.0 (0x800284000) > libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x8002a4000) > libnetgraph.so.4 => not found (0) This is the expected output if /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4 doesn't exist. > libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x8002bb000) > libelf.so.2 => /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x8006b4000) > root@REDACTED:~ # >> Does it work to run netstat outside of cron? > > No. > > root@REDACTED:~ # netstat > ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" > root@REDACTED:~ # > Maybe the "fix" would be to copy libnetgraph.so.4 from another vm. I think so - maybe do a 'ls -l /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4' first to verify that it really is *missing*. > But what's > worrying for me is, how was this file "lost" in the first place? Hardly any > console/ssh interaction is used on this particular vm. It hosts a https web service, sends email (it's not an email relay though), has very wrapped sshd access, and that's it. May be hard/impossible to figure out at this point... I'd first of all try to find out whether it was missing from day one, which would imply an installation problem (e.g. full disk?) - or if not, try to find out *when* it went missing, and check logs around that time (if still available) for any hints. I.e. pretty obvious stuff, and definitely not guaranteed to give any result. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 11:06:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243A32EC23C for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 11:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49N7yz1dDjz4B8s for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 11:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E4D5C00FD for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 07:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); 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RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[27.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.19] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:06:52 -0000 --k4f25fnPtRuIRUb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >I think so - maybe do a 'ls -l /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4' first to >verify that it really is *missing*. There was no libnetgraph* anything. >May be hard/impossible to figure out at this point... I'd first of all >try to find out whether it was missing from day one, which would imply >an installation problem (e.g. full disk?) - or if not, try to find out >*when* it went missing, and check logs around that time (if still >available) for any hints. I.e. pretty obvious stuff, and definitely >not guaranteed to give any result. From an equivalent vm I uploaded these four files into /usr/lib : libnetgraph.a libnetgraph.so libnetgraph.so.4 libnetgraph_p.a and now netgraph works and the daily interface status stats work normally. Do you think I need to do anything else with these? 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MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:786, ipnet:130.209.0.0/16, country:GB]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 12:31:12 -0000 Greetings. My blacklistctl dump -a output currently looks a bit like this address/ma:port id nfail last access 130.209.XX.XX/32:22 0/-1 1970/01/01 01:00:00 194.XX.XX.XX/32:22 3/-1 2020/05/14 00:35:05 [ IP addresses partially redacted ] [...plus various reasonable-looking lines...] Both those IP ranges are 'friendly', and the first is the local /16. The odd thing is the -1 as the nfail limit, meaning 'do not block' or 'whitelisted', which I can't explain. My blacklistd.conf looks like: [local] ssh stream * * * 4 24h ftp stream * * * 3 24h smtp stream * * * 3 24h submission stream * * * 3 24h * * * * * 3 60 [remote] 130.209.XX.XX:ssh * * * * * * 194.XX.XX.XX:ssh * * * * * * 130.209.XX.XX:ssh * * * * * * The [local] stanza is almost the default; the [remote] explicitly whitelists three machines. But the whitelisted machines _do not_ match the nfail=-1 machines in the blacklistctl output. They're in the same 130.209.0.0/16 and 194.0.0.0/8, but are not the same IP address. Looking further back, I can see a similar pattern, with these netblocks, but no others, apparently whitelisted. What's going on? It's as if the local lines were being parsed as 130.209.0.0/16:ssh and 194.0.0.0/8:ssh, but there's nothing in the by-hand parser of the .conf file that suggests that's what's happening (see lines 224 and 586, last changed March 2018). The machine this is running on is hosting a couple of jails (one of which is the bastion host that this is really protecting, and the blacklistd is listening on sockets in both the host and the bastion jail), it has four IP addresses (two of which are in a private IP range), and it has a non-trivial, but not particularly complicated pf firewall configuration. This is the blacklistd in FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p8 (I can't find a version option on blacklistd nor any version strings in the blacklistd binary). I'm perplexed. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK Charity number SC004401 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 13:46:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BF62F2898 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NCVb69rYz4Lvp for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FAEC633E for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S08rx_31y5hG for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8838CC2841 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04EDjugQ069781 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 15:45:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Shared object "libnetgraph.so.4" not found, required by "netstat" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200512154502.GH59811@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200513180158.GA23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <70cc3458-237f-847c-03f0-0767c26f6b89@fastmail.com> <8570e125-f34d-840a-5803-376d43bc9723@hedeland.org> <20200514011537.GC23072@bastion.zyxst.net> <0278cb1e-8084-6dce-5ac7-1e5297ff40d5@hedeland.org> <20200514110619.GD23072@bastion.zyxst.net> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 15:45:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200514110619.GD23072@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NCVb69rYz4Lvp X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.46)[-0.457,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.31)[-0.310,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.39), asn: 16686(1.22), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 13:46:00 -0000 On 2020-05-14 13:06, tech-lists wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > >> I think so - maybe do a 'ls -l /usr/lib/libnetgraph.so.4' first to >> verify that it really is *missing*. > > There was no libnetgraph* anything. > >> May be hard/impossible to figure out at this point... I'd first of all >> try to find out whether it was missing from day one, which would imply >> an installation problem (e.g. full disk?) - or if not, try to find out >> *when* it went missing, and check logs around that time (if still >> available) for any hints. I.e. pretty obvious stuff, and definitely >> not guaranteed to give any result. > > From an equivalent vm I uploaded these four files into /usr/lib : > libnetgraph.a > libnetgraph.so > libnetgraph.so.4 > libnetgraph_p.a Strange - they should all be there, although only libnetgraph.so.4 is needed "at runtime". > and now netgraph works and the daily interface status stats work normally. > Do you think I need to do anything else with these? I mean do they need ld for > example (I know next to nothing about ld) No, nothing needs to be done with those. However if I were you, at least until I had figured out why those files were missing, I would wonder *what else* might be missing. I guess you can use mtree(8) to compare against one of the other VMs, but it might actually be best to do a full re-install from scratch of this one. --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 18:13:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE41B2D98CA for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 18:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NKRM1B0Lz4fD1 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id b18so1964377ilf.2 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pQYPg9eVDpJ28upnzSThsL4zxDVNZI8WqFuxVZU/jOs=; b=DXO3M42qT2m8DiNU0wkpKlrlEtKCiudLxtI/SAnHv5sKgfckSEx64UmIiFfPy9Avtt kbMDwGbiYN45pubP++Zv0YCjDvANI9n7RzuamvgIu5kExJqK5+CHAUhFungYjro0OCU3 AbBdpRDavtjtsUzALwRE6LQvXB9Mnnpk//yUwXDe16xY7VCs5IXMLfWhezUF62gkzYBR bUvFgmhMGrsDbd3TBicTUKEYd0xqVCwCO0wSk+v82De2Fp/LH9aoEHm+TcS1HriWULeG LWrUKBdz0Me0bak3+nuO1EKVbq+jnK/8VaopyegWUZDK4yqWJU7RWxjFFV8A/ktPJaTd 55+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pQYPg9eVDpJ28upnzSThsL4zxDVNZI8WqFuxVZU/jOs=; b=DLWBkdZSOZvTD/mtkLRPDIdZkPqbWiOczBzZnwDkpwe/ETgKeI+bARclI4CMYFVoK+ hDLPOaxGcXtZVbhOKIGQeA5zauMTbOwZV4x0u544i350g04l1jWJBEXdFfsFrlOB/4y7 ZRj680gt2gCdAskttEhFLxRqHr/3TdR36hb5IYESQ8flBaY3tx9upCAVovGF7/WDKsqx A5mzX1OpYhYaQz1z/hHPcPqORau9pLFzfdWbsUw6EHzsQ3J6wGrJ5fvu56SQHFkXg3Hb TsOsXWydXFmSpWzMvUqQvpstCz3buk1Uq4Fyp1iZq/P5NaJVZoqCxZs+iJg7CzcMp6Nv Ex9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533blYAXgYYJrYtRVnhe+cdPulccUwRuyAjYQ2i5DObulx936A/T wp0dMq2I1alWHdT0GYg19j8Us+rJizzluWiVsrwG8Kcd X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHeEKTCFcRwBgxbqCzKiiN1lAhI4/tqimF4jLkrOoAghlXD7pXhNhtV6/B0Ap2TMrw3MrkPBTZ3xKh/nsq1Sc= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d186:: with SMTP id z6mr5796115ilz.119.1589480013598; Thu, 14 May 2020 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 14:13:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Selective routing and proxying To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NKRM1B0Lz4fD1 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DXO3M42q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-7.61), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 18:13:37 -0000 My significant other's employer (a public university) has payed for subscriptions on many newspapers and other periodicals that normally are pay-walled and allows anyone on the campus network (or VPN to it) us said subscriptions if you use the library's proxy server. There are other on campus only services that they want to also access like virtual desktops and network drives. For privacy reasons we want to make so only access to the said subscription and/or on campus IT services are routed via the VPN connection/library proxy and all others go out our normal ISP. Note we also have and other VPN connection to one of my clients that due to privacy regulations (HIPAA) must be used for all our work with them. What is the best way to handle all this? (Currently have 2 physical FreeBSD machines in the house and 2 more running as VM's and one Windows VM and one Windows physical machine... the VM's use bhyve) -- Aryeh M. 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There are other = on > campus only services that they want to also access like virtual desktop= s > and network drives. For privacy reasons we want to make so only access= to > the said subscription and/or on campus IT services are routed via the V= PN > connection/library proxy and all others go out our normal ISP. Note we= > also have and other VPN connection to one of my clients that due to pri= vacy > regulations (HIPAA) must be used for all our work with them. > > What is the best way to handle all this? (Currently have 2 physical > FreeBSD machines in the house and 2 more running as VM's and one Window= s VM > and one Windows physical machine... the VM's use bhyve) > It all depends: * Are the VPNs you use relatively "open" ones, where if you know the IPsec parameters, PSK (pre-shared key), and your authentication information, it'll come right up.=C2=A0 Or are we talking something w= ith proprietary sauce carefully tied to an employer/client owned laptop that won't work unless the security token is plugged in? * Is the address space on the other side of all VPNs non-overlapping? * How dependent are you on DNS working for names on the far side of the VPNs? In the case of a fortunate answer to the first question, I'd personally use a FreeBSD VM, or a copy of pfSense either as a virtual appliance or one of their little physical boxes, to act as a router and firewall.=C2=A0= Terminate the VPNs on the new router.=C2=A0 Terminate your ISP connection= on the new router.=C2=A0 Then it pretty much becomes a very straight-forward= exercise in routing.=C2=A0 With however much firewalling you want to add = to force things to break if the "wrong" workstation tries to use the HIPAA connection, etc. Unless the answer to question number two is unfortunate.=C2=A0 In which c= ase you'll have to do some NATing. I'd strongly consider 1:1 mapping to an otherwise unused chunk of RFC 1918 space.=C2=A0 Which should be easy to d= o on the edge router, except that.... =2E...if you're dependent on DNS for services reached across either VPN, DNS will get a bit trickier.=C2=A0 A lot of end-user VPN configurations a= re configured to force use of resolvers on the organizational network.=C2=A0= It's the cleanest way to give the client machine access to names that map to private addresses on the other side.=C2=A0 But that doesn't work s= o well when there are VPNs to multiple organizations that have no reason to coordinate access to DNS data.=C2=A0 There I'd say it comes down to ho= w complicated your needs are.=C2=A0 If there are only a couple of names tha= t need to work, it's probably easiest to just dump them into /etc/hosts on the various clients that need access.=C2=A0 If it's more complicated, I'd= be tempted to use dnsdist, which I've successfully used quite recently to "glue together" a unified view of DNS for client machines:=C2=A0 RFC 1918= reverse lookups from here, .local from over there, the Internet at large via the filtering at OpenDNS/Cisco Umbrella unless it's the mail servers which would loose their little minds if you did that.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Likewise, it would be a fairly easy configuration to forward .edu lookups across one VPN, .com across another, and send the rest to your ISP or Google or whatever you currently do.=C2=A0= Writing a bit of Lua code to translate responses in a way that matches the 1:1 NAT would be somewhat more advanced, but I believe that's quite feasible (I've had to do some other weird rewrites in dnsdist, but not that). But again, it all depends.=C2=A0 You haven't even told us whether you use= a managed switch that supports VLANs and/or have spare ethernet ports, never mind what your budget is. 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Allow me to phrase the question in C, even though it will be a valid question in almost every other programming language (compiled or interpreted): What is the _proper_ way of printing multiple lines? My research basically did bring up the following methods: a) multiple function calls: printf("This is the first line of text.\n"); printf("And this is the second line.\n"); printf("Finally a third line.\n"); b) one string in multiple parts in one function call: printf("This is the first line of text.\n" "And this is the second line.\n" "Finally a third line.\n"); c) multiple lines in one string: printf("This is the first line of text.\n And this is the second line.\n Finally a third line.\n"); There is a specific restriction that if a string contains conversion specifications for variables, those have to be in the 1st argument, so printf() does not print several strings as individual arguments except there's a first one containing appropriate %s entries. This applies for any string containing %: it has to be in the first argument passed to printf(). d) multiple strings with format string: printf("%s%s%s", "This is the first line of text.\n", "And this is the second line.\n", "Finally a third line.\n"); In this case, the \n could be in the format string instead of the text lines. So, what's the correct (or at least recommended way) of doing this? Think about use cases like fprintf(stderr, ...) for things like usage messages, or printing to a file for multi-line entries. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions References: <20200514220904.7a4c1e28.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <0d78f2bb-4169-c1ba-48c0-3f9c6993c961@fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:10 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200514220904.7a4c1e28.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NNCB2ddhz3Msm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=Kf9LnWPR; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=kLtH1UEP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[29.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.29]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.85), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[29.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[151.103.34.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 20:18:15 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > In the FreeBSD sources, there are several ways shown about > how to emit several lines of text to the console or to a > file. Allow me to phrase the question in C, even though > it will be a valid question in almost every other programming > language (compiled or interpreted): > > What is the _proper_ way of printing multiple lines? > > My research basically did bring up the following methods: > > a) multiple function calls: > > printf("This is the first line of text.\n"); > printf("And this is the second line.\n"); > printf("Finally a third line.\n"); > > b) one string in multiple parts in one function call: > > printf("This is the first line of text.\n" > "And this is the second line.\n" > "Finally a third line.\n"); > > c) multiple lines in one string: > > printf("This is the first line of text.\n > And this is the second line.\n > Finally a third line.\n"); > > There is a specific restriction that if a string contains > conversion specifications for variables, those have to be > in the 1st argument, so printf() does not print several > strings as individual arguments except there's a first > one containing appropriate %s entries. This applies for > any string containing %: it has to be in the > first argument passed to printf(). > > d) multiple strings with format string: > > printf("%s%s%s", > "This is the first line of text.\n", > "And this is the second line.\n", > "Finally a third line.\n"); > > In this case, the \n could be in the format string instead > of the text lines. > > So, what's the correct (or at least recommended way) of > doing this? Think about use cases like fprintf(stderr, ...) > for things like usage messages, or printing to a file for > multi-line entries. b) and d) are what I see the most in the code, b) mostly in illumos (solaris) codebase and d) in FreeBSD codebase. I just checked how some utilities print their usage messages (as that's where you'd expect multiline strings): https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/cp/utils.c?revision=326025&view=markup#l550 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/mv/mv.c?revision=326025&view=markup#l506 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/ln/ln.c?revision=326025&view=markup#l352 I've also seen a); c) looks completely weird to me. 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.59)[0.588,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.70)[-0.702,0]; IP_SCORE(0.60)[ip: (-1.53), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(3.48), asn: 14061(1.12), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 20:44:38 -0000 On 5/14/20 3:09 PM, Polytropon wrote: > What is the _proper_ way of printing multiple lines? > > My research basically did bring up the following methods: Warning - Pet Peeve follows, ignore me if you think it's stupid ... However you decide to do it, can we _please_ stop embedding literal strings in printf(), python print(), and so forth? Strings should be pulled out as variables into one centrally maintained location in the code. Why? Because, someday, you may actually want to have your code run with output in something other than your native language. Because strings are often reused in several places in the code. Because you may someday actually want to use unicode characters. You haven't lived until you've had to scour thousands of lines of code looking for literal strings or having those strings embedded symbolically, deep down in the guts of the code. If factoring code is a good practice, so too is factoring string literals. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 21:02:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6384B2DFBAB for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NPBV1X6mz3wj1 for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) X-Originating-IP: 167.179.139.56 Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (Authenticated sender: ozzmosis@ozzmosis.com) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B73F1C0002; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D84B551981; Fri, 15 May 2020 07:02:33 +1000 (AEST) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:02:33 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Multi-line text output via printf() et al. Message-ID: <20200514210233.sw6je2m3d6acnsib@ozzmosis.com> References: <20200514220904.7a4c1e28.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200514220904.7a4c1e28.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20200501 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NPBV1X6mz3wj1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@ozzmosis.com designates 217.70.183.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@ozzmosis.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.70.183.192/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ozzmosis.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.15)[ip: (-2.89), ipnet: 217.70.176.0/20(-1.60), asn: 29169(-1.28), country: FR(-0.00)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[197.183.70.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[197.183.70.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 21:02:43 -0000 On 2020-05-14 22:09:04, Polytropon (freebsd@edvax.de) wrote: > c) multiple lines in one string: > > printf("This is the first line of text.\n > And this is the second line.\n > Finally a third line.\n"); You need to add a line continuation backslash for this to work: printf("This is the first line of text.\n \ And this is the second line.\n \ Finally a third line.\n"); > There is a specific restriction that if a string contains > conversion specifications for variables, those have to be > in the 1st argument, so printf() does not print several > strings as individual arguments except there's a first > one containing appropriate %s entries. This applies for > any string containing %: it has to be in the > first argument passed to printf(). > > d) multiple strings with format string: > > printf("%s%s%s", > "This is the first line of text.\n", > "And this is the second line.\n", > "Finally a third line.\n"); There is the risk your program will crash here if you supply the wrong number of arguments to printf(). It's easy to mess this up if you're not paying attention to the parameter count, and if the printf() happens to be an error message then the bug might not show up in production. Though linters built into modern versions of gcc and clang will usually catch problems like this and emit a warning. > In this case, the \n could be in the format string instead > of the text lines. > > So, what's the correct (or at least recommended way) of > doing this? Think about use cases like fprintf(stderr, ...) > for things like usage messages, or printing to a file for > multi-line entries. I don't think it matters too much as long as you're consistent. String internationalisation and localisation can complicate things though. This: printf( "This " "is " "a " "string.\n" ); is uncommon in C code I suspect because not many people know it's allowed by the preprocessor. In many (most?) other languages you need to explicitly concat the strings together. 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Strings should be > pulled out as variables into one centrally maintained location in the > code. Why? That's a good start. > Because, someday, you may actually want to have your code run > with output in something other than your native language. Because > strings are often reused in several places in the code. Because you may > someday actually want to use unicode characters. Right, but then you'll probably want to compose strings with embedded variable content and discover that the order is not fixed across languages and so you need a more sophisticated interpolation markup than printf. Then you'll bump into the nightmare that is plural and singular forms, sometimes with multiple variants of plural. If you display lists you will find all the fun of sorting (just look at the French rules on sorting by accent). Do not get me started on truncation! -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 14 21:42:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44DA2E0D3A for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NQ4r4YwSz3ysP for ; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (Authenticated sender: ozzmosis@ozzmosis.com) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BA8F240007; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6772E51B06; Fri, 15 May 2020 07:42:45 +1000 (AEST) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:42:45 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Multi-line text output via printf() et al. 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Strings should be pulled out > as variables into one centrally maintained location in the code. Why? > Because, someday, you may actually want to have your code run with output > in something other than your native language. Because strings are often > reused in several places in the code. Because you may someday actually > want to use unicode characters. Fundamentally I agree but doing this opens a can of worms that I suspect many coders would prefer not to deal with, especially for hobby projects that form the basis of many open source programs. And rightly or wrongly, literal strings do act as documentation. Also for modern languages like Python and C# 6.0 there's the problem of refactoring expressions written into string literals. It's not ideal to have these strings strongly decoupled from the code they're associated with. > You haven't lived until you've had to scour thousands of lines of code > looking for literal strings or having those strings embedded symbolically, > deep down in the guts of the code. There should be tools that can help with this. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 03:07:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A538D2E8349 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49NYHG3DGQz4GcQ for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6EAEB2E8348; Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7232E8347 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NYHD47Mhz4GcL for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1589512039; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mCzKvk8tTyPX+hWGPXGJuw8xo7w=; b=gCU75OSqhn+/B3a1m8Ob6iXJSl+1xYY5niYxk5l55XfoCw0w9dMGh8YQxBdHMzVk a3Xh2k95dpINNVK2DSow9XT2d5thvDM/FPB+fAwE9E3f/ORPKWb2FdksUs/jP3Uz RScVknxIZGra9fq49+s0VUMwr4XNKckU5/JpYyRtJE79TFnTlymuNZLWFrgTveMq w+ja16zhDMisHpDijj9BNoVX6utw5ulHbuQq6vGnbVDrK/pkdwiYdIYLeFsK8d0V 25MszYpvaGnj7/CFGySiq4TrkJXleT5T02NsGwFcbIuXaAUHKB5eteIjtJ0Kp27a Hznr6C2+19A4h3cmvA6zZw==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=F/kpiZpN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=sTwFKg_x9MkA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=KZTZrWYDRD9F9aIHwD8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:39403] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id B2/10-51190-7670EBE5; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:07:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24254.1894.643331.822821@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:07:18 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: info on screen saver modules? -Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NYHD47Mhz4GcL X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rcn.com header.s=20180516 header.b=gCU75OSq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rcn.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of roberthuff@rcn.com designates 69.168.97.78 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roberthuff@rcn.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rcn.com:s=20180516]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[78.97.168.69.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:69.168.97.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[rcn.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; IP_SCORE(-1.57)[ip: (-9.08), ipnet: 69.168.97.0/24(0.60), asn: 36271(0.69), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rcn.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rcn.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:69.168.97.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 03:07:22 -0000 Where can I find information on the screen saver modules (e.g. "snake_saver.ko") found in /boot/kernel? And: will they work on a system running: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r354131: Mon Oct 28 17:27:33 EDT 2019 amd64 with the vt console? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 05:47:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE592EAE86 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 05:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.26]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ncqs2tckz4PDv for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 05:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 58D10255DC for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0075D88FC for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> <20200513201932.8dd2cc135c50d54dc8daff0c@sohara.org> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200513201932.8dd2cc135c50d54dc8daff0c@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Ncqs2tckz4PDv X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.26) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.74)[asn: 15657(-3.70), country: DE(-0.02)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[26.200.13.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 05:47:23 -0000 > SRCDIR you can leave alone, just move /usr/src anywhere you like > and so long as you change into that directory to build all should be good > because the Makefile sets everything up based on CURDIR. Basically you are right. For makebuild[world|kernel] that is correct, it is just that setting SOURCEDIR saves a question during mergemaster: # mergemaster -Ui *** /usr/src was not found. Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] Since mergemaster is most of the time interactive anyway, you really do not lose very much, if unset. But if one decides to define it, it has to be in the shell environment (export SOURCEDIR...), as src-env.conf or make.conf do not seem to work, unless I've missed something. Verdict: So far for base only setting MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX?= is required. Nice. Way easier than anticipated. Side note: The use of "?=" seems a little counter intuitive, as one would suspect, that any predefined value of MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX will point to /usr/obj and thus render our setting useless, but in reality it does somehow work. Having completely removed /usr/obj and /usr/src beforehand, no /usr/obj is being created (until installworld, that is) and the build still finishes cleanly. It also does work with just "=", this choice just generates a whole bunch of warning of the kind: make[1]: "/clutter/src/share/mk/src.sys.env.mk" line 50: warning: /etc/src-env.conf: Ignoring MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX entry in sub-make. Use '?=' to avoid this warning. Some information on this (mostly way above my level of understanding): https://www.mail-archive.com/svn-src-head@freebsd.org/msg95545.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-December/058823.html And I figured, build(7) is a little outdated, as the recommended WITH_UNIFIED_OBJDIR has been removed with 12, there just is an WITHOUT_UNIFIED_OBJDIR now. See "20171101" in src/UPDATING On to ports now. Thanks again to all From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 06:01:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA42EB2D2 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Nd8D2Hp9z4PqX for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4EAB42EB2D1; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6C82EB2D0 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Nd8B6pcHz4PqT for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.100.135]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MTfgb-1jfIRW0zYz-00U5Zp; Fri, 15 May 2020 08:01:27 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:01:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: info on screen saver modules? 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General usage is covered in "man 1 vidcontrol", and the individual savers are (more or less) documented via source, for example the "Snake" saver is /usr/src/sys/dev/syscons/snake/snake_saver.c with /usr/src/sys/dev/syscons/ being the root being the root directory for the screen savers. > And: will they work on a system running: > > FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r354131: Mon Oct 28 17:27:33 EDT 2019 amd64 > > with the vt console? No. They only work with sc; vt does not support the screensavers. Details for comparing sc to vt here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons If you switch to sc (only problem: no UTF-8, but all the other encodings and fonts work), the screen savers will be available. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 06:16:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC52EB793 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NdTb5hrlz4QQj for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1589523396; x=1592115396; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=cCkl6rD6OGpoxaRfT1j/zftKR42ViC8Rv76iZ0ohLmY=; b=BTCKfOFSMnQwa5EzTLYM7Bc2Su7jOPN3sFVfgKVj8MfcZsC9nnNxIXoQtAK1K8Fy8R+FVNbv18urEZQ7nrmeuuNvucKiFNf5qmsMabQoDzpOgLcYrIfvrbj6vVx5aGwmb3+Ugl+cE3DFf36YKCqWXaPEzwPM25JYYXKS1cvMED8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDVlNDIxM2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 15 May 2020 02:16:25 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 15 May 2020 02:16:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTdu-000KX6-Rw; Fri, 15 May 2020 07:16:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:16:22 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving sources (base/ports) from /usr Message-Id: <20200515071622.ff5bfebae44c174ee2cc2e8b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200508210444.7945f4ba@kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de> <20200513201932.8dd2cc135c50d54dc8daff0c@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NdTb5hrlz4QQj X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=BTCKfOFS; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.872,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.18), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.26), asn: 7381(0.07), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10005e4213d.6504152d48161704066fd0a086a1f054@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 06:16:37 -0000 On Fri, 15 May 2020 07:47:16 +0200 Ede Wolf wrote: > Basically you are right. For makebuild[world|kernel] that is correct, it > is just that setting SOURCEDIR saves a question during mergemaster: > > # mergemaster -Ui > > *** /usr/src was not found. > Found Makefile.inc1 in the current directory. > Would you like to set SOURCEDIR to /clutter/src? [no and exit] Ah it's an environment variable used by mergemaster, you learn something every day :) > But if one decides to define it, it has to be in the shell environment > (export SOURCEDIR...), as src-env.conf or make.conf do not seem to work, > unless I've missed something. That makes sense it isn't being picked up by make. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 08:40:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57B92EE16B for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 08:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Nhh94PhZz4Xd6 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F1210276A for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jP0rUzaWazKH for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.51] (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DCA7102769 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Message-Id: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40:24 +0200 To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Nhh94PhZz4Xd6 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.87), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.23)[0.231,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.41)[0.414,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:40:59 -0000 I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got the = advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing = (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. The got another advice to stick with compiling the port since it better = matches the distributed kernel (12.1.) Anyway, now I=E2=80=99m stuck in builing the virtualbox-ose port. First there was a glitch when pythin 2.7 had to be built. a security = warning had to be overwritten by DISABLE_VUNERABILITIES=3Dyes That done the next time the build stops at =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/sdl-config - found =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/clang60 - not found =3D=3D=3D> llvm60-6.0.1_7 depends on executable: sphinx-build - not = found =3D=3D=3D> py36-sphinx-1.6.5_2,1 depends on package: py36-Jinja2>=3D2.3 = - not found =3D=3D=3D> py36-Jinja2-2.10.1 depends on package: py36-setuptools>0 - = not found =3D=3D=3D> Installing for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 =3D=3D=3D> Checking if py36-setuptools is already installed =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 as = automatic Installing py36-setuptools-41.2.0... pkg-static: py36-setuptools-41.2.0 conflicts with py37-setuptools-44.0.0 = (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: = /usr/local/bin/easy_install *** Error code 70 Stop. make[7]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools *** Error code 1 Stop. make[6]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/textproc/py-sphinx *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose #=20 I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have to = be built . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 09:19:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60592EE93A for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NjXP4Nrgz4Z0H for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04F9Ixxu063360 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 May 2020 11:18:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1589534339; bh=KXmzIYYRM9RTebvy/i6sLs5yr1rMexHTyMixVJYRK8g=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=b8LDhJrqhN8es34xI9Q8MDdlFhLnyLx9u3XoPT/ekQNXidnPLR/H4xGwKfZAA9ldX rvYrsHOIkAIKPObwrASbZQHsBs0rGSEk9KHrWIxMb8D1UbtE7NdovdupbSPf94Gt8F H4DOEAdI/hBSL7sn5HMRShOLWMgmTqDT8A8HbKVcKO/bMCzQLOLw/5fPZDyZgC++y9 MkCOXNApFjg6rcEHba0MxniEz9+9+N5XIcenWj8SI9GcZGN0eymSKGbu6pc3z3+1Be NeYvBLNrOCtlmLhU7Uzr2JertTUMs6AWuVnYyCUnuFDiOCgfPGohfe0NmL+IQS0lxr I1r3fWXjbRZFA== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 04F9IrTd063354; Fri, 15 May 2020 11:18:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:18:53 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) In-Reply-To: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> Message-ID: References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NjXP4Nrgz4Z0H X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=b8LDhJrq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.09)[ip: (-8.34), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.34), asn: 224(-0.74), country: NO(-0.02)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:19:19 -0000 On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got the advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. > > The got another advice to stick with compiling the port since it better matches the distributed kernel (12.1.) > > Anyway, now I’m stuck in builing the virtualbox-ose port. > > First there was a glitch when pythin 2.7 had to be built. a security warning had to be overwritten by > > DISABLE_VUNERABILITIES=yes > > That done the next time the build stops at > > ===> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found > ===> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/sdl-config - found > ===> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/clang60 - not found > ===> llvm60-6.0.1_7 depends on executable: sphinx-build - not found > ===> py36-sphinx-1.6.5_2,1 depends on package: py36-Jinja2>=2.3 - not found > ===> py36-Jinja2-2.10.1 depends on package: py36-setuptools>0 - not found > ===> Installing for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 > ===> Checking if py36-setuptools is already installed > ===> Registering installation for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 as automatic > Installing py36-setuptools-41.2.0... > pkg-static: py36-setuptools-41.2.0 conflicts with py37-setuptools-44.0.0 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local/bin/easy_install > *** Error code 70 > > Stop. > make[7]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[6]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/textproc/py-sphinx > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > # > > I’m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have to be built . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both the default Python version and the default Python3 version. Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains from creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 11:57:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572C82F30AE for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 11:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Nn2v0db9z3F8r for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 11:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BA610276A; Fri, 15 May 2020 13:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qM8RyEfB1Sl5; Fri, 15 May 2020 13:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 419B7102769; Fri, 15 May 2020 13:57:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:57:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Nn2v0db9z3F8r X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.04)[0.044,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.88)[0.878,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.87), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:57:29 -0000 > Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l = : >=20 > On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >=20 >> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got = the advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing = (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>=20 >> The got another advice to stick with compiling the port since it = better matches the distributed kernel (12.1.) >>=20 >> Anyway, now I=E2=80=99m stuck in builing the virtualbox-ose port. >>=20 >> First there was a glitch when pythin 2.7 had to be built. a security = warning had to be overwritten by >>=20 >> DISABLE_VUNERABILITIES=3Dyes >>=20 >> That done the next time the build stops at >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found >> =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/sdl-config - found >> =3D=3D=3D> virtualbox-ose-5.2.32_1 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/clang60 - not found >> =3D=3D=3D> llvm60-6.0.1_7 depends on executable: sphinx-build - not = found >> =3D=3D=3D> py36-sphinx-1.6.5_2,1 depends on package: = py36-Jinja2>=3D2.3 - not found >> =3D=3D=3D> py36-Jinja2-2.10.1 depends on package: py36-setuptools>0 = - not found >> =3D=3D=3D> Installing for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 >> =3D=3D=3D> Checking if py36-setuptools is already installed >> =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for py36-setuptools-41.2.0 as = automatic >> Installing py36-setuptools-41.2.0... >> pkg-static: py36-setuptools-41.2.0 conflicts with = py37-setuptools-44.0.0 (installs files into the same place). = Problematic file: /usr/local/bin/easy_install >> *** Error code 70 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[7]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-setuptools >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[6]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2 >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/textproc/py-sphinx >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm60 >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >> #=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have = to be built . But that left aside, how do I now get around this = obstacle? >=20 > According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both the=20= > default Python version and the default Python3 version. >=20 > Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an=20 > equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >=20 Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already = deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. > Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >=20 > You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains from=20= > creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >=20 > --=20 > Trond. Done so, thanks. =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 17:12:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2DF2FAD91 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Nw2z5b0mz47wW for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BFA302FAD90; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6712FAD8F for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Nw2y4Xgtz47wV for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1589562777; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=fOW5MUqERc/AadDC4HngJDCci18=; b=Dt1EUMC3YfUipmJUxkpzaOWfuFjeMzvFhlN/IbQNrTt6g6ew4kp3dZMq3gtCWs3e QvYs3facq8u1k4J8oJlqB6lZmPD/MMqO07D+T3h/Xq0+fPAYc3YJ/TL+WbP/A3sH qTqz3wbaiH1BzEeg9bBRv/5TR34wSPUVD9h22wBjxzmCWs9DudqfLxMckfBLSQM1 KNpspPb7HVwHgmKkVuojJ4cYlj0ju2RRi64Nid1sK9lzInnnasNuyFk7AxPzFRjT RWU66L7H3XMQbyxUJP9kUBYwdf41+Z/XBZPSbMIFo515qo8JDOwivRRPgGTrwwAJ iliaP2ZTLGeCaFOHN7vNew==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Z5uS40ZA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=sTwFKg_x9MkA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=gGRMzWgHDbWKPNDkkMwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:21279] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 4A/3F-10869-89DCEBE5; Fri, 15 May 2020 13:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24254.52632.191015.915402@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:12:56 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: Polytropon Cc: Robert Huff , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: info on screen saver modules? 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Respectfully, Robert Huff -- Get it right: _physical_ distancing; _social_ cohesion From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 17:15:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02142FAFA1 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-il1-x142.google.com (mail-il1-x142.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Nw6Q1ytWz48DB for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-il1-x142.google.com with SMTP id 4so3336211ilg.1 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=t1S2dqE4zEvEYa/QRozcX4701egWGyzTfn18QoYTNqE=; b=DSAIQtje71+F5N+QCvmP8ZNMMifQz4jX9k3246impARfT2KG97GHjmXXLL+9uNnr3h bpVijM3yOeD8eCaWycGpgIpHqpKTFdzcGNgkxY3Y0yEvzRGFE4B/s7LAh36BOsRbEQvy uH3045E6wgo56MoclfiOeQYnpKZppMQ3uCEgc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=t1S2dqE4zEvEYa/QRozcX4701egWGyzTfn18QoYTNqE=; b=RPont4QCi4qNNxVIYA/enEhEfZpYjDXDtS3hjuoZDnhfSvxqKrCwFjM4upEmqcEpkz /GJlg+SnZsr+JdxgYgwlgH9B+qOHQMaMQ9GQQPo5EUX598rKIXsd/m2u+yXf/K8/SYAG jQ/QhIVm6YZ/EO3xGivZKMvm+QgTI3nttHrFRzuio/FFMA+tIN+cs3YDYMqht5PIVkEY 62vLEhQKdXbWqxLUB54MWGPHqf2dIYYobkDF0NtymcdUgaW67QN6s1G+Y2SvZRdkqIIz L3N9si5o6i9udUZFGqiRSr4Dg3peRp3E2xTWeSV2FFP+ulKvp0jyuip5qPs0ARO1CIxq M/Jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531hIntSp2tBryHP9eQu+nHSAi+hM5TLLnrCLaFQoU8Q2s6a4YjA Yked90ZR1UdDtkfy12gNQfmEGaBPwlP3R5VP1LXZf3FNORg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxrfyQtDHNwOEbq1xyKcHHcaapGQN7Jd9NKbIV+fwp+8Y7csjsoLPaK0nCykUqZ5jiMmEQ4VrzRbL2WltoiVec= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d946:: with SMTP id l6mr470490ilq.6.1589562956748; Fri, 15 May 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> From: Mario Lobo Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:15:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Nw6Q1ytWz48DB X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=DSAIQtje; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.925,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[5]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (0.19), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:16:00 -0000 On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < > trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: > > > > On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > >> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got the > advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing > (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. > >> > [snip...] > >> > >> Stop. > >> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >> # > >> > >> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have to= be built > . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? > > > > According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both the > > default Python version and the default Python3 version. > > > > Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an > > equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? > > > > > > Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already > deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. > > > > Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? > > > > You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains from > > creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. > > > > -- > > Trond. > > Done so, thanks. > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. I have this in make.conf: DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase python=3D3.7 pytho= n2=3D2.7 python3=3D3.7 --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 18:18:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8FE2FCDCB for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49NxVk5tjNz4FfR for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82B510276A; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NH2h1BE3C9Wo; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 043E5102769; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Mario Lobo References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NxVk5tjNz4FfR X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.36)[0.364,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.37)[0.366,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.87), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:18:40 -0000 > Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies > > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info >: >>>=20 >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got = the >> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing >> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>=20 >>=20 > [snip...] >=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>> # >>>>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have = to be built >> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>=20 >>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both = the >>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>=20 >>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already >> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>=20 >>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains = from >>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Trond. >>=20 >> Done so, thanks. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >>=20 >>=20 > Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >=20 > I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >=20 > I have this in make.conf: >=20 > DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase python=3D3.7 = python2=3D2.7 > python3=3D3.7 >=20 > --=20 > Mario Lobo In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libharfbuzz.so = - found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libinput.so - = not found =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 was = specified. *** Error code 1 Stop. make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput *** Error code 1 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose #=20 #=20 #=20 ??? =E2=80=94 Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 18:39:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE252FD3A2 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Nxz72fFBz4GqC for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04FIdXUv003054 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 May 2020 20:39:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1589567974; bh=ljpMUMIIANyZFn2+IR43U0W9csQ8Hxgz+RaZjkrkL0s=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lV2WcJ1Oskmg8jXOs6Yh9sDvoVcN6aSAPiD4O/Bx4vqip+yQx5znP01M5OlG3vmNo Ie2rvkwKVlt0E5naxyTtdf7RZsPvMfyHwhpBsiosIweH0dKY32RA252O5nCXz/5qdv Q+xFQxuXJI3fjJDrl0Thssl6AYuo8mKHe1M6l55/6D4EjlM4AbT1AZXeUdQg3eM9AJ pdruVZ9jmNNKUZ2malAYEEktuVX7waajEAVVKne3lZQmO4oaw82TYvtqfDlJyYM+9g pv+GFMZwfwgGsHzlB2P2Wgl2FAh1D7GxGReNMpqmdMA8Bcik353YfbpdnQasD3PnFg 1V0VolMwIfL0w== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 04FIdXhn003044; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:39:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:39:32 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Christoph Kukulies cc: Mario Lobo , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) In-Reply-To: <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> Message-ID: References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Nxz72fFBz4GqC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=lV2WcJ1O; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.08)[ip: (-8.29), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.34), asn: 224(-0.74), country: NO(-0.02)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:39:48 -0000 On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrestøl < > >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info >: > >>> > >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >>> > >>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got the > >> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing > >> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. > >>>> > >> > > [snip...] > > > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >>>> # > >>>> > >>>> I’m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have to be built > >> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? > >>> > >>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both the > >>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. > >>> > >>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an > >>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already > >> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. > >> > >> > >>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? > >>> > >>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains from > >>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Trond. > >> > >> Done so, thanks. > >> > >> — > >> Christoph > >> > >> > > Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? > > > > I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. > > > > I have this in make.conf: > > > > DEFAULT_VERSIONS=perl5=5.30 linux=c7_64 ssl=base python=3.7 python2=2.7 > > python3=3.7 > > > > -- > > Mario Lobo > > In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: > ===> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libharfbuzz.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) > ===> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libinput.so - not found > ===> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 was specified. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > # lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points to. It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be pointing to Python 3.7. You have two options: 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any of these are installed. Just a friendly piece of advice: Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and ports-mgmt/synth. Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and practical value. They both build each package in full isolation from the running system and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory parameters for each profile you create. poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=yes and PARALLEL_JOBS=6 in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve reasonable parallelism. 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst case. Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 19:03:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8C2FDB51 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 19:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49NyTx1Xsxz4JQV for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 19:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2534B10276A; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TctkC0db4AI; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28006102769; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Mario Lobo , freeBSD Mailing List To: =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NyTx1Xsxz4JQV X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.309,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.35)[0.354,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.87), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:03:02 -0000 > Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l = : >=20 > On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>=20 >>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies = > >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info = >: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I = got the >>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing >>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>> [snip...] >>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>> # >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) = have to be built >>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>>>=20 >>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both = the >>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already >>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>>>=20 >>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains = from >>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Trond. >>>>=20 >>>> Done so, thanks. >>>>=20 >>>> =E2=80=94 >>>> Christoph >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >>>=20 >>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >>>=20 >>> I have this in make.conf: >>>=20 >>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase python=3D3.7 = python2=3D2.7 >>> python3=3D3.7 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Mario Lobo >>=20 >> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: >> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libharfbuzz.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) >> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libinput.so = - not found >> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 was = specified. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >> #=20 >=20 > lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points to.=20= > It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be pointing to=20= > Python 3.7. >=20 > You have two options: >=20 > 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. > 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> pybabel-3.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> = pygmentize-3.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config -> = python3.6m-config -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config -> = python3.7m-config -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 >=20 > The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any of=20 > these are installed. >=20 > Just a friendly piece of advice: >=20 > Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and ports-mgmt/synth. > Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and=20 > practical value. >=20 > They both build each package in full isolation from the running system=20= > and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. >=20 > synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada=20 > compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory=20 > parameters for each profile you create. >=20 > poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and = PARALLEL_JOBS=3D6=20 > in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in=20 > /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve reasonable=20= > parallelism. >=20 > 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an=20 > 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst case.=20 > Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. >=20 > --=20 > Trond. >=20 # dmesg | head ---<>--- Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:17:18 -0000 On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrestøl : > > > > On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrestøl < > >>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info >: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I got the > >>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing > >>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> [snip...] > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Stop. > >>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >>>>>> # > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) have to be built > >>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? > >>>>> > >>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both the > >>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. > >>>>> > >>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an > >>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and already > >>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree. > >>>> > >>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? > >>>>> > >>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains from > >>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. > >>>> > >>>> Done so, thanks. > >>>> > >>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? > >>> > >>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. > >>> > >>> I have this in make.conf: > >>> > >>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=perl5=5.30 linux=c7_64 ssl=base python=3.7 python2=2.7 > >>> python3=3.7 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mario Lobo > >> > >> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: > >> ===> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libharfbuzz.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) > >> ===> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libinput.so - not found > >> ===> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 was specified. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop. > >> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >> # > > > > lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points to. > > It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be pointing to > > Python 3.7. > > > > You have two options: > > > > 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. > > 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. > > > Thanks. But I don’t have /usr/local/bin/python: I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python" just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> pybabel-3.6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> pygmentize-3.6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config -> python3.6m-config > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config -> python3.7m-config > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 > > > The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any of > > these are installed. > > > > Just a friendly piece of advice: > > > > Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and ports-mgmt/synth. > > Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and > > practical value. > > > > They both build each package in full isolation from the running system > > and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. > > > > synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada > > compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory > > parameters for each profile you create. > > > > poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=yes and PARALLEL_JOBS=6 > > in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 in > > /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve reasonable > > parallelism. > > > > 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an > > 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst case. > > Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. > > # dmesg | head > ---<>--- > Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 > FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on LLVM 8.0.1) > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz K8-class CPU) > Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x20fb1 Family=0xf Model=0x2b Stepping=1 > # > > > I’m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a dual core) Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a 2x2 configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have two separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at least it speeds up autoconf and friends. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 19:39:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109E72FE771 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 19:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49NzJG2yylz4LGY for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 19:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C293C10276A; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzVXhE_S32Dc; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57a1fddf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F015B102769; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) From: Christoph Kukulies In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:39:40 +0200 Cc: Mario Lobo , freeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NzJG2yylz4LGY X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.23)[0.228,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.28)[0.284,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.86), asn: 24940(-1.48), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:39:43 -0000 I did the following: ln -s /usr/local/bin/phython3.7 /usr/local/bin/python (not sure whether this was healthy at all) Then went into=20 /usr/ports/x11/libinput make install (this went through without a hitch) Then continued with building virtualbox-ose and it got over the point where it wanted to build libinput since the = request got satisfied. Don=E2=80=99t know what time to build the rest I would have to expect at = all. I also have a desktop with WIndows 10 that has 16GB and an AMD Hex core = (whatnot GHz). Maybe I should dedicate this one to FreeBSD :) ?) =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 15.05.2020 um 21:17 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l = : >=20 > On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >=20 >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l = : >>>=20 >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>=20 >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies = > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>>>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info = >: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I = got the >>>>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing >>>>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>> [snip...] >>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) = have to be built >>>>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is = both the >>>>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>>>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and = already >>>>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports = tree. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it = abstains from >>>>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Done so, thanks. >>>>>>=20 >>>>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >>>>>=20 >>>>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have this in make.conf: >>>>>=20 >>>>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase = python=3D3.7 python2=3D2.7 >>>>> python3=3D3.7 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Mario Lobo >>>>=20 >>>> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: >>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libharfbuzz.so - found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) >>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libinput.so - not found >>>> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 = was specified. >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>=20 >>>> Stop. >>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>> #=20 >>>=20 >>> lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points = to.=20 >>> It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be pointing = to=20 >>> Python 3.7. >>>=20 >>> You have two options: >>>=20 >>> 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. >>> 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: >=20 > I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python"=20 > just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. >=20 >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> = pybabel-3.6 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> = pygmentize-3.6 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config -> = python3.6m-config >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config -> = python3.7m-config >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 >>=20 >>> The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any of=20= >>> these are installed. >>>=20 >>> Just a friendly piece of advice: >>>=20 >>> Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and = ports-mgmt/synth. >>> Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and=20 >>> practical value. >>>=20 >>> They both build each package in full isolation from the running = system=20 >>> and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. >>>=20 >>> synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada=20 >>> compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory=20 >>> parameters for each profile you create. >>>=20 >>> poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and = PARALLEL_JOBS=3D6=20 >>> in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in=20 >>> /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve reasonable=20= >>> parallelism. >>>=20 >>> 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an=20 >>> 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst case.=20= >>> Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. >>=20 >> # dmesg | head >> ---<>--- >> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. >> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, = 1994 >> The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. >> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >> FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 >> FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on = LLVM 8.0.1) >> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz = K8-class CPU) >> Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x20fb1 Family=3D0xf Model=3D0x2b = Stepping=3D1 >> #=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a dual = core) >=20 > Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It=20 > has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours=20 > building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours=20 > while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a 2x2=20= > configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have two=20= > separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at=20 > least it speeds up autoconf and friends. >=20 > --=20 > Trond. 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Yes. Which means no. Doesn't exist. As far as I know, not even the "blank" saver module is compatible. As I have said goodbye to vt-based text mode entirely, I haven't even tested, but I rely on the documentation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 21:18:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD922D9E0D for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49P1V75bbTz4TCC for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id E98074E740; Fri, 15 May 2020 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: (character) Conversion error (in vi) ? 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Sometimes it gets a bee in its bonnet over something that, I guess, it is trying to interpret as a (malformed?) Unicode or utf-8 character or something, and in such cases it refuses to allow me to edit the file in question. How can I return it to the old/prior behavior, under which it could tolerate any old sequence of eight bit bytes without having a hissy fit? There must be some option to tell it "don't do that", yes? (For the life of me, I don't know why the old/prior behavior wasn't maintained as the default behavior. But I wonder the same thing about a *lot* of different software "upgrades".) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 15 22:12:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66092DBAE6 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 22:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49P2h355npz4XQg for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 22:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id x5so4396337ioh.6 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YvgHJfjpkqxEYbl/JCSWCVPX/3jp8IJxmkepYWS0y7k=; b=VAWijSjIIKaRDtR64guciVXn4xV0y3CozB0kGQRvRT9tVYbX9bbIeJ8nH2+eG8sCnt hz7x4Rqp1OXLpD+6AL+D0xHjbrxwbALh4L83V4MBKt+euvaTR3txIlLRXoLP1lbaZuzS uJOlKuRHBRzt1mh/VXDY/MiZA4VgcEOddzLWw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YvgHJfjpkqxEYbl/JCSWCVPX/3jp8IJxmkepYWS0y7k=; b=m5W09yaFbusjO0Gr1JX1V5C2AimYtK/vxuMFv0QwAm4y13jbi923Wgdf9g2Afm/WZf Tx2lycTbv77IOpztz/hcxzuhHw0Yijfi0nBQrg7A6tTdmTlFyycz75ElphUGlyFyE+w0 lsLyTf7BF22ev0FMQ2s637+k3rlLeM5DDHVFlwxCVMbkUCx8dSx9cDqstXFuwc/6pbjW WEYcrftqkblKp+1gNbyR4vgP52IvWqUn1J2CZAdgeYMeU0tQKm9X8fVTVS0dH8q4Tssb CltgP9RyyLytrz9LA5VxhNJ/OFKISzEFW9p85VQugFhvGtluNOzYVAIenRNTNpOiBzZu olAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Jf88odwZYCNPpCG27CslLakbNOGPgVO4pXl6GdYbkbUDJvt+m 0k9XrEIDtJyTdbDpGPGj5IvE+1bjPmPo8Woimq9I4mJtRJM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxUv3PCEVvlHp0/hMghje77NTszVQwc7BukYw0CoaoMQlJJX+IHxO/moRcM70yxRzexfowTBVAa/ibPwHwRvEk= X-Received: by 2002:a02:4d:: with SMTP id 74mr280232jaa.141.1589580721372; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:12:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> From: Mario Lobo Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:11:50 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49P2h355npz4XQg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=VAWijSjI; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[7]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-1.24)[ip: (-5.40), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 22:12:05 -0000 On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:39 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I did the following: > > ln -s /usr/local/bin/phython3.7 /usr/local/bin/python > > (not sure whether this was healthy at all) > > Then went into > > /usr/ports/x11/libinput > > make install > > (this went through without a hitch) > > Then continued with building virtualbox-ose > > and it got over the point where it wanted to build libinput since the > request got satisfied. > > Don=E2=80=99t know what time to build the rest I would have to expect at = all. > > I also have a desktop with WIndows 10 that has 16GB and an AMD Hex core > (whatnot GHz). Maybe I should dedicate this one to FreeBSD :) ?) > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > > > Am 15.05.2020 um 21:17 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < > trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: > > > > On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < > trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: > >>> > >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >>> > >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies < > kuku@kukulies.org > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < > >>>>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info >>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then I > got the > >>>>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a failing > >>>>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> [snip...] > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Stop. > >>>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >>>>>>>> # > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and 3) h= ave to be > built > >>>>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is both > the > >>>>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an > >>>>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and alread= y > >>>>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports tree= . > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it abstains > from > >>>>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Done so, thanks. > >>>>>> > >>>>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? > >>>>> > >>>>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have this in make.conf: > >>>>> > >>>>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase python=3D3= .7 > python2=3D2.7 > >>>>> python3=3D3.7 > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Mario Lobo > >>>> > >>>> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: > >>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libharfbuzz= .so - > found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) > >>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: libinput.so= - not > found > >>>> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 was > specified. > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>> > >>>> Stop. > >>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose > >>>> # > >>> > >>> lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points to= . > >>> It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be pointing t= o > >>> Python 3.7. > >>> > >>> You have two options: > >>> > >>> 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. > >>> 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. > >> > >> > >> Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: > > > > I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python" > > just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. > > > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> pybabel-3= .6 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> > pygmentize-3.6 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 > >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 > >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config > >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config -> > python3.6m-config > >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m > >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config > >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config -> > python3.7m-config > >> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m > >> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 > >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 > >> > >>> The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any of > >>> these are installed. > >>> > >>> Just a friendly piece of advice: > >>> > >>> Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and ports-mgmt/synth= . > >>> Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and > >>> practical value. > >>> > >>> They both build each package in full isolation from the running syste= m > >>> and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. > >>> > >>> synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada > >>> compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory > >>> parameters for each profile you create. > >>> > >>> poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and PARALLEL_JOBS= =3D6 > >>> in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in > >>> /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve reasonable > >>> parallelism. > >>> > >>> 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an > >>> 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst case. > >>> Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. > >> > >> # dmesg | head > >> ---<>--- > >> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. > >> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 19= 94 > >> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > >> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > >> FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 > >> FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on > LLVM 8.0.1) > >> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > >> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz > K8-class CPU) > >> Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x20fb1 Family=3D0xf Model=3D0x2b St= epping=3D1 > >> # > >> > >> > >> I=E2=80=99m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a dual co= re) > > > > Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It > > has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours > > building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours > > while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a 2x2 > > configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have two > > separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at > > least it speeds up autoconf and friends. > > > > -- > > Trond. > > Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} USES+=3D python:2.7 USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 .else USES+=3D python:2.7,build .endif Virtualbox itself asks for it. As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled the port. The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 06:34:36 -0000 My next stop is: .0 -I/usr/local/lib/dbus-1.0/include -isystem = /usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -isystem = /usr/local/include -I/usr/local/lib/qt5/mkspecs/freebsd-clang -o = .obj/deviceeventcontroller_adaptor.o deviceeventcontroller_adaptor.cpp --- sub-input-all --- In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:27:8: error: redefinition of = 'input_event' struct input_event { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:44:8: note: previous definition is here struct input_event { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:53:8: error: redefinition of 'input_id' struct input_id { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:53:8: note: previous definition is here struct input_id { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:84:8: error: redefinition of = 'input_absinfo' struct input_absinfo { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:60:8: note: previous definition is here struct input_absinfo { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:108:8: error: redefinition of = 'input_keymap_entry' struct input_keymap_entry { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:71:8: note: previous definition is here struct input_keymap_entry { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:300:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_replay' struct ff_replay { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:164:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_replay { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:310:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_trigger' struct ff_trigger { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:170:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_trigger { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:327:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_envelope' struct ff_envelope { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:176:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_envelope { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:339:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_constant_effect' struct ff_constant_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:183:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_constant_effect { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:350:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_ramp_effect' struct ff_ramp_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:188:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_ramp_effect { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:366:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_condition_effect' struct ff_condition_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:194:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_condition_effect { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:395:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_periodic_effect' struct ff_periodic_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:221:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_periodic_effect { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:416:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_rumble_effect' struct ff_rumble_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:232:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_rumble_effect { ^ In file included from evdevtouch/qevdevtouchhandler.cpp:62: In file included from /usr/local/include/mtdev.h:36: /usr/local/include/linux/input.h:444:8: error: redefinition of = 'ff_effect' struct ff_effect { ^ /usr/include/dev/evdev/input.h:253:8: note: previous definition is here struct ff_effect { ^ 13 errors generated. *** [.obj/qevdevtouchhandler.o] Error code 1 make[7]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport/input 1 error make[7]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport/input *** [sub-input-support-pro-all-ordered] Error code 2 make[6]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport/input 1 error make[6]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport/input *** [sub-input-all] Error code 2 make[5]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport --- sub-linuxaccessibility-all --- A failure has been detected in another branch of the parallel make make[6]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport/linuxaccessibility *** [sub-linuxaccessibility-all] Error code 2 make[5]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport 2 errors make[5]: stopped in = /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui/work/qtbase-everywhere-src-5.13.0/src/plat= formsupport *** Error code 2 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose #=20 Did you have qt5 installed at that time already as pkg ? The above at = least proves that the qt port build fails or it=E2=80=99s a consequence = of the python (link in /usr/local/bin) tweaking. > Am 16.05.2020 um 00:11 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:39 PM Christoph Kukulies > > wrote: >=20 >> I did the following: >>=20 >> ln -s /usr/local/bin/phython3.7 /usr/local/bin/python >>=20 >> (not sure whether this was healthy at all) >>=20 >> Then went into >>=20 >> /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>=20 >> make install >>=20 >> (this went through without a hitch) >>=20 >> Then continued with building virtualbox-ose >>=20 >> and it got over the point where it wanted to build libinput since the >> request got satisfied. >>=20 >> Don=E2=80=99t know what time to build the rest I would have to expect = at all. >>=20 >> I also have a desktop with WIndows 10 that has 16GB and an AMD Hex = core >> (whatnot GHz). Maybe I should dedicate this one to FreeBSD :) ?) >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >>=20 >>=20 >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 21:17 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>=20 >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>=20 >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies < >> kuku@kukulies.org > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>>>>>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info = >>> : >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then = I >> got the >>>>>>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a = failing >>>>>>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> [snip...] >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and = 3) have to be >> built >>>>>>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is = both >> the >>>>>>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>>>>>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and = already >>>>>>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports = tree. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it = abstains >> from >>>>>>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Done so, thanks. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I have this in make.conf: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase = python=3D3.7 >> python2=3D2.7 >>>>>>> python3=3D3.7 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mario Lobo >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libharfbuzz.so - >> found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libinput.so - not >> found >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 = was >> specified. >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>> # >>>>>=20 >>>>> lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points = to. >>>>> It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be = pointing to >>>>> Python 3.7. >>>>>=20 >>>>> You have two options: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. >>>>> 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: >>>=20 >>> I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python" >>> just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. >>>=20 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> = pybabel-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> >> pygmentize-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config = -> >> python3.6m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config = -> >> python3.7m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 >>>>=20 >>>>> The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any = of >>>>> these are installed. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Just a friendly piece of advice: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and = ports-mgmt/synth. >>>>> Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and >>>>> practical value. >>>>>=20 >>>>> They both build each package in full isolation from the running = system >>>>> and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. >>>>>=20 >>>>> synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada >>>>> compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory >>>>> parameters for each profile you create. >>>>>=20 >>>>> poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and = PARALLEL_JOBS=3D6 >>>>> in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in >>>>> /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve = reasonable >>>>> parallelism. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an >>>>> 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst = case. >>>>> Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. >>>>=20 >>>> # dmesg | head >>>> ---<>--- >>>> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. >>>> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, = 1994 >>>> The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. >>>> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >>>> FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 >>>> FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based = on >> LLVM 8.0.1) >>>> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >>>> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz >> K8-class CPU) >>>> Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x20fb1 Family=3D0xf Model=3D0x2b = Stepping=3D1 >>>> # >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a dual = core) >>>=20 >>> Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It >>> has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours >>> building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours >>> while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a = 2x2 >>> configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have = two >>> separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at >>> least it speeds up autoconf and friends. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Trond. >>=20 >>=20 > Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: >=20 > .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} > USES+=3D python:2.7 > USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors > PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi > PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 > .else > USES+=3D python:2.7,build > .endif >=20 > Virtualbox itself asks for it. >=20 > As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled = the > port. >=20 > The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. >=20 > --=20 > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 09:37:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EAD2EB617 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 09:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PKtm2hQVz4BBT for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 09:37:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEEB10276A; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:37:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NA27j3XBouUO; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:37:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10459102769; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:37:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <64C9BDE1-A411-4767-BCF8-28C56614C0B8@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:37:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Mario Lobo References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PKtm2hQVz4BBT X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.51)[0.510,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.75)[0.745,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.86), asn: 24940(-1.47), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 09:37:21 -0000 Just want to let you know that virtualbox-ose now finished compiling and = it=E2=80=99s working. Now I=E2=80=99m trying to find where vboxvfs.ko is hidden. Doesn=E2=80=99t= seem to be in virtualbox-ose-kmod.=20 Possibly in -additions which I=E2=80=99m compiling right now. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 16.05.2020 um 00:11 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:39 PM Christoph Kukulies > > wrote: >=20 >> I did the following: >>=20 >> ln -s /usr/local/bin/phython3.7 /usr/local/bin/python >>=20 >> (not sure whether this was healthy at all) >>=20 >> Then went into >>=20 >> /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>=20 >> make install >>=20 >> (this went through without a hitch) >>=20 >> Then continued with building virtualbox-ose >>=20 >> and it got over the point where it wanted to build libinput since the >> request got satisfied. >>=20 >> Don=E2=80=99t know what time to build the rest I would have to expect = at all. >>=20 >> I also have a desktop with WIndows 10 that has 16GB and an AMD Hex = core >> (whatnot GHz). Maybe I should dedicate this one to FreeBSD :) ?) >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >>=20 >>=20 >>> Am 15.05.2020 um 21:17 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>=20 >>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>=20 >>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies < >> kuku@kukulies.org > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>>>>>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info = >>> : >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then = I >> got the >>>>>>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a = failing >>>>>>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> [snip...] >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and = 3) have to be >> built >>>>>>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is = both >> the >>>>>>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>>>>>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and = already >>>>>>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports = tree. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it = abstains >> from >>>>>>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Done so, thanks. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I have this in make.conf: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase = python=3D3.7 >> python2=3D2.7 >>>>>>> python3=3D3.7 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mario Lobo >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libharfbuzz.so - >> found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libinput.so - not >> found >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 = was >> specified. >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stop. >>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>> # >>>>>=20 >>>>> lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink points = to. >>>>> It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be = pointing to >>>>> Python 3.7. >>>>>=20 >>>>> You have two options: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. >>>>> 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: >>>=20 >>> I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python" >>> just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. >>>=20 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> = pybabel-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> >> pygmentize-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config = -> >> python3.6m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 python3.6m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config = -> >> python3.7m-config >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m >>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m-config >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 >>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 >>>>=20 >>>>> The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any = of >>>>> these are installed. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Just a friendly piece of advice: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and = ports-mgmt/synth. >>>>> Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and >>>>> practical value. >>>>>=20 >>>>> They both build each package in full isolation from the running = system >>>>> and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. >>>>>=20 >>>>> synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada >>>>> compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory >>>>> parameters for each profile you create. >>>>>=20 >>>>> poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and = PARALLEL_JOBS=3D6 >>>>> in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in >>>>> /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve = reasonable >>>>> parallelism. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an >>>>> 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst = case. >>>>> Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. >>>>=20 >>>> # dmesg | head >>>> ---<>--- >>>> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. >>>> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, = 1994 >>>> The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. >>>> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >>>> FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 >>>> FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based = on >> LLVM 8.0.1) >>>> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >>>> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz >> K8-class CPU) >>>> Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x20fb1 Family=3D0xf Model=3D0x2b = Stepping=3D1 >>>> # >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a dual = core) >>>=20 >>> Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It >>> has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours >>> building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours >>> while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a = 2x2 >>> configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have = two >>> separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at >>> least it speeds up autoconf and friends. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Trond. >>=20 >>=20 > Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: >=20 > .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} > USES+=3D python:2.7 > USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors > PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi > PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 > .else > USES+=3D python:2.7,build > .endif >=20 > Virtualbox itself asks for it. >=20 > As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled = the > port. >=20 > The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. >=20 > --=20 > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org = mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions = > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org = " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 09:43:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110AF2EBBF9 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 09:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PL2Q0vzjz4Bt8 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 09:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C37210276A; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:43:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PMwfr4LE4E4X; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:43:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D81BB102769; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:43:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <4861DE35-5D5B-4C8C-A571-D0A306AC6A9A@kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:43:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <64C9BDE1-A411-4767-BCF8-28C56614C0B8@kukulies.org> Cc: freeBSD Mailing List To: Mario Lobo References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> <64C9BDE1-A411-4767-BCF8-28C56614C0B8@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PL2Q0vzjz4Bt8 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.956,0]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[17]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.994,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.85), asn: 24940(-1.47), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 09:43:59 -0000 But=E2=80=A6 virtualbox-ose-additions fails: In file included from = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c:51: In file included from /usr/local/include/xorg/xf86Xinput.h:56: /usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:376:5: error: unknown type name = 'TimeStamp'; did you mean 'TimeStampPtr'? TimeStamp time; ^~~~~~~~~ TimeStampPtr /usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: note: 'TimeStampPtr' declared here typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; ^ In file included from = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c:51: In file included from /usr/local/include/xorg/xf86Xinput.h:56: /usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:489:5: error: unknown type name = 'TimeStamp'; did you mean 'TimeStampPtr'? TimeStamp grabTime; ^~~~~~~~~ TimeStampPtr /usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: note: 'TimeStampPtr' declared here typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; ^ In file included from = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c:51: In file included from /usr/local/include/xorg/xf86Xinput.h:56: /usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:497:27: warning: type specifier = missing, defaults to 'int' [-Wimplicit-int] TimeStamp /*time */ , ^ /usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:654:5: error: unknown type name = 'TimeStamp'; did you mean 'TimeStampPtr'? TimeStamp time; ^~~~~~~~~ TimeStampPtr /usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: note: 'TimeStampPtr' declared here typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; ^ 4 warnings and 12 errors generated. kmk: *** = [/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/= freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o] Error 1 The failing command: @cc -c -g -I/usr/src/sys/../sbin/mount -g -pipe -pedantic -Wshadow -Wall = -Wextra -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-unused -Wno-trigraphs = -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wno-language-extension-token -Wno-gnu-folding-constant = -Wno-gnu-anonymous-struct -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-nested-anon-types = -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-long-long -Wmissing-prototypes = -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations = -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-variadic-macros -O0 = -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fvisibility=3Dhidden = -DVBOX_HAVE_VISIBILITY_HIDDEN -DRT_USE_VISIBILITY_DEFAULT -fPIC = -std=3Dc99 -m64 = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/inputproto-1.9.99.902 = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/libpciaccess-0.10.8 = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/pixman-0.16.0 = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/xextproto-7.1.1 = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/xproto-7.0.18 -I/usr/local/include/xorg = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src= /VBox/Additions/x11/vboxmouse -I/usr/local/include = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/dtrace = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/inc= lude = -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug -DVBOX -DVBOX_OSE -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS = -DVBOX_WITH_REM -DVBOX_WITH_RAW_MODE -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_root = -DDEBUG_USERNAME=3Droot -DRT_OS_FREEBSD -D__FREEBSD__ -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 = -D__AMD64__ -DVBOX_WITH_DEBUGGER -DVBOX_WITH_HARDENING -DRT_LOCK_STRICT = -DRT_LOCK_STRICT_ORDER = -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE_ARCH=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_SHARED_LIBS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" = -DRTPATH_APP_DOCS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" -DIN_RING3 -DIN_GUEST = -DIN_GUEST_R3 -DIN_RT_R3 -DGC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -DPIC -DVBOX_GUESTR3XORGMOD = -DRTMEM_NO_WRAP_TO_EF_APIS -D_XSERVER64 -DXFree86Server -DIN_MODULE = -DXFree86Module -DXFree86LOADER -DXINPUT -DXORG_7X -DIN_XF86_MODULE = -DDONT_DEFINE_WRAPPERS -DNO_ANSIC -DNO_ANSIC = -Wp,-MD,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.= 32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o.dep = -Wp,-MT,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.= 32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o -Wp,-MP = -o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/f= reebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o = /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/V= Box/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c kmk: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... kmk: *** Exiting with status 2 *** Error code 2 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions #=20 Does it compile with you? =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 16.05.2020 um 11:37 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > Just want to let you know that virtualbox-ose now finished compiling = and it=E2=80=99s working. > Now I=E2=80=99m trying to find where vboxvfs.ko is hidden. Doesn=E2=80=99= t seem to be in virtualbox-ose-kmod.=20 > Possibly in -additions which I=E2=80=99m compiling right now. >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Christoph >=20 >=20 >> Am 16.05.2020 um 00:11 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>=20 >> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:39 PM Christoph Kukulies > >> wrote: >>=20 >>> I did the following: >>>=20 >>> ln -s /usr/local/bin/phython3.7 /usr/local/bin/python >>>=20 >>> (not sure whether this was healthy at all) >>>=20 >>> Then went into >>>=20 >>> /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>>=20 >>> make install >>>=20 >>> (this went through without a hitch) >>>=20 >>> Then continued with building virtualbox-ose >>>=20 >>> and it got over the point where it wanted to build libinput since = the >>> request got satisfied. >>>=20 >>> Don=E2=80=99t know what time to build the rest I would have to = expect at all. >>>=20 >>> I also have a desktop with WIndows 10 that has 16GB and an AMD Hex = core >>> (whatnot GHz). Maybe I should dedicate this one to FreeBSD :) ?) >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94 >>> Christoph >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 21:17 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>>=20 >>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 20:39 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info>: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:18+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Mario Lobo : >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Kukulies < >>> kuku@kukulies.org > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Am 15.05.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < >>>>>>>>> trond.endrestol@ximalas.info = >>>> : >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:40+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I knew why I initially began compiling the virtual box. Then = I >>> got the >>>>>>>>> advice here to use the pckg. Trying that I ended up in a = failing >>>>>>>>> (panicking) vboxvfs.ko module. >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> [snip...] >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m wondering anyway why two python versions (2 and = 3) have to be >>> built >>>>>>>>> . But that left aside, how do I now get around this obstacle? >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> According to ports/Mk/bsd.default-versions.mk, Python 3.7 is = both >>> the >>>>>>>>>> default Python version and the default Python3 version. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Have you locked the Pythons to 3.6 in /etc/make.conf or in an >>>>>>>>>> equivalent file such as /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Thanks. Yes, I had some of these tools installed as pkg and = already >>>>>>>>> deleted them and the correct tools got built out of the ports = tree. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Do you mix prebuilt packages and packages built yourself? >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> You should recompile devel/py-setuptools@py36 so that it = abstains >>> from >>>>>>>>>> creating the /usr/local/bin/easy_install symlink. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Done so, thanks. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Doesn't Vbox require python 2.7 to be built? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I get a warning about python 2.7 everytime I build VBox. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I have this in make.conf: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> DEFAULT_VERSIONS=3Dperl5=3D5.30 linux=3Dc7_64 ssl=3Dbase = python=3D3.7 >>> python2=3D2.7 >>>>>>>> python3=3D3.7 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Mario Lobo >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> In this vein my vbox make stops at the next obstacle: >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libharfbuzz.so - >>> found (/usr/local/lib/libharfbuzz.so) >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> qt5-gui-5.13.0_1 depends on shared library: = libinput.so - not >>> found >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> libinput-1.12.6_1 needs Python 3.4 at least, but 2.7 = was >>> specified. >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make[5]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11/libinput >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-gui >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt5-declarative >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/qt5-linguisttools >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop. >>>>>>> make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose >>>>>>> # >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> lang/python controls what the /usr/local/bin/python symlink = points to. >>>>>> It might still be pointing to Python 2.7 when it should be = pointing to >>>>>> Python 3.7. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> You have two options: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1. Recreate and reinstall lang/python. >>>>>> 2. Change the /usr/local/bin/python symlink yourself. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks. But I don=E2=80=99t have /usr/local/bin/python: >>>>=20 >>>> I see. Maybe you could try "ln -s python3.7 /usr/local/bin/python" >>>> just to see if it helps. If not, then I'm out of suggestions. >>>>=20 >>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 May 15 11:40 pybabel -> = pybabel-3.6 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 384 May 15 11:40 pybabel-3.6 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:04 pydoc2.7 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 May 15 10:22 pydoc3.6 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 84 Apr 23 03:20 pydoc3.7 >>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 May 15 11:44 pygmentize -> >>> pygmentize-3.6 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 399 May 15 11:44 pygmentize-3.6 >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15192 May 15 10:03 python2.7 >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1769 May 15 10:04 python2.7-config >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6 >>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 15 10:22 python3.6-config = -> >>> python3.6m-config >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15392 May 15 10:21 python3.6m >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3127 May 15 10:22 = python3.6m-config >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7 >>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7-config = -> >>> python3.7m-config >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 15208 Apr 23 03:20 python3.7m >>>>> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2936 Apr 23 03:20 = python3.7m-config >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 May 15 10:22 pyvenv-3.6 >>>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 441 Apr 23 03:20 pyvenv-3.7 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> The same advice applies to lang/python2 and lang/python3, if any = of >>>>>> these are installed. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Just a friendly piece of advice: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Explore the possible use of ports-mgmt/poudriere and = ports-mgmt/synth. >>>>>> Even an old fart like myself have realised their potential and >>>>>> practical value. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> They both build each package in full isolation from the running = system >>>>>> and from each other. They can also build packages in parallel. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> synth is more straight forward of the two but requires an Ada >>>>>> compiler. Its /usr/local/etc/synth/synth.ini has self-explanatory >>>>>> parameters for each profile you create. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> poudriere requires you to set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes and = PARALLEL_JOBS=3D6 >>>>>> in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.conf, and MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=3D4 in >>>>>> /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, in order to achieve = reasonable >>>>>> parallelism. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6 and 4 are the values chosen by synth when auto-configured on an >>>>>> 8-core system, yielding a 300 % load on the CPUs in the worst = case. >>>>>> Adjust these values to suit your system and/or taste. >>>>>=20 >>>>> # dmesg | head >>>>> ---<>--- >>>>> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. >>>>> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, = 1993, 1994 >>>>> The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. >>>>> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >>>>> FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 >>>>> FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based = on >>> LLVM 8.0.1) >>>>> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >>>>> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz >>> K8-class CPU) >>>>> Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x20fb1 Family=3D0xf Model=3D0x2b = Stepping=3D1 >>>>> # >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I=E2=80=99m afraid there is not much to parallelize :( (with a = dual core) >>>>=20 >>>> Incidently, I'm playing with an old Dell Latitude D531 at $WORK. It >>>> has almost the same processor as your system. It took me 84 hours >>>> building stable/11 from scratch. synth ran for 8 days and 17 hours >>>> while building in excess of 700 packages. synth initially ran in a = 2x2 >>>> configuration, but I'm now experimenting running it as 1x2. I have = two >>>> separate ccache instances, one for each of base and localbase, at >>>> least it speeds up autoconf and friends. >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Trond. >>>=20 >>>=20 >> Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: >>=20 >> .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} >> USES+=3D python:2.7 >> USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 >> .else >> USES+=3D python:2.7,build >> .endif >>=20 >> Virtualbox itself asks for it. >>=20 >> As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled = the >> port. >>=20 >> The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Mario Lobo >> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br >> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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Guilmette" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <67158.1589577502@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <06696e14-e7e5-f212-4ef0-b89e7e78cde5@fastmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:49:28 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <67158.1589577502@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PV8C68ZKz4f9t X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=H7up9BLD; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=lIo1INDR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[26.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.26]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fastmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[26.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[64.185.139.5.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:49:32 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Ever since my last system upgrade, some months ago now, vi has been > behaving badly/differently. Sometimes it gets a bee in its bonnet > over something that, I guess, it is trying to interpret as a (malformed?) > Unicode or utf-8 character or something, and in such cases it refuses > to allow me to edit the file in question. > > How can I return it to the old/prior behavior, under which it could > tolerate any old sequence of eight bit bytes without having a hissy > fit? > > There must be some option to tell it "don't do that", yes? (For the > life of me, I don't know why the old/prior behavior wasn't maintained > as the default behavior. But I wonder the same thing about a *lot* > of different software "upgrades".) I'm interested in more details on this as I could be somewhat involved (see PR 202290). What release did you upgrade from/to? Could you provide a simple test case that shows the issue? 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Sat, 16 May 2020 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3D852AFC-329C-46B7-A2DE-3E9B3D61BB21@kukulies.org> <310BA73B-3BFC-4B5A-B175-0A942FCC92B0@kukulies.org> <29080AE7-3C98-4D2D-9A73-34E7CF02EA5C@kukulies.org> <910A2CF5-E2A5-4EC8-B250-C87FA8399ABA@kukulies.org> <184EB792-871B-486C-A210-6AA0D31BEECB@kukulies.org> <64C9BDE1-A411-4767-BCF8-28C56614C0B8@kukulies.org> <4861DE35-5D5B-4C8C-A571-D0A306AC6A9A@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <4861DE35-5D5B-4C8C-A571-D0A306AC6A9A@kukulies.org> From: Mario Lobo Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 13:02:02 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PVQv6dwPz4g4x X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=FgD3HtzB; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; 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did you mean* > * 'TimeStampPtr'?* > TimeStamp time; > * ^~~~~~~~~* > TimeStampPtr > */usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: **note: *'TimeStampPtr' declared > here > typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; > * ^* > In file included from > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c:51: > In file included from /usr/local/include/xorg/xf86Xinput.h:56: > */usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:489:5: **error: **unknown type name > 'TimeStamp'; did you mean* > * 'TimeStampPtr'?* > TimeStamp grabTime; > * ^~~~~~~~~* > TimeStampPtr > */usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: **note: *'TimeStampPtr' declared > here > typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; > * ^* > In file included from > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c:51: > In file included from /usr/local/include/xorg/xf86Xinput.h:56: > */usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:497:27: **warning: **type specifier > missing, defaults to 'int'* > * [-Wimplicit-int]* > TimeStamp /*time */ , > * ^* > */usr/local/include/xorg/inputstr.h:654:5: **error: **unknown type name > 'TimeStamp'; did you mean* > * 'TimeStampPtr'?* > TimeStamp time; > * ^~~~~~~~~* > TimeStampPtr > */usr/local/include/xorg/dix.h:119:28: **note: *'TimeStampPtr' declared > here > typedef struct _TimeStamp *TimeStampPtr; > * ^* > 4 warnings and 12 errors generated. > kmk: *** > [/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out= /freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o] > Error 1 > The failing command: > @cc -c -g -I/usr/src/sys/../sbin/mount -g -pipe -pedantic -Wshadow -Wall > -Wextra -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-unused -Wno-trigraphs > -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-unused-parameter > -Wno-language-extension-token -Wno-gnu-folding-constant > -Wno-gnu-anonymous-struct -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-nested-anon-types > -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-long-long -Wmissing-prototypes > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations > -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-variadic-macros -O0 > -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fvisibility=3Dhidden > -DVBOX_HAVE_VISIBILITY_HIDDEN -DRT_USE_VISIBILITY_DEFAULT -fPIC -std=3Dc= 99 > -m64 > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/inputproto-1.9.99.902 > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/libpciaccess-0.10.8 > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/pixman-0.16.0 > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/xextproto-7.1.1 > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/x11include/xproto-7.0.18 > -I/usr/local/include/xorg > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/sr= c/VBox/Additions/x11/vboxmouse > -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/ou= t/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/dtrace > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/in= clude > -I/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/ou= t/freebsd.amd64/debug > -DVBOX -DVBOX_OSE -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS -DVBOX_WITH_REM > -DVBOX_WITH_RAW_MODE -DDEBUG -DDEBUG_root -DDEBUG_USERNAME=3Droot > -DRT_OS_FREEBSD -D__FREEBSD__ -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 -D__AMD64__ > -DVBOX_WITH_DEBUGGER -DVBOX_WITH_HARDENING -DRT_LOCK_STRICT > -DRT_LOCK_STRICT_ORDER -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox= \" > -DRTPATH_APP_PRIVATE_ARCH=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" > -DRTPATH_SHARED_LIBS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" > -DRTPATH_APP_DOCS=3D\"/usr/local/lib/virtualbox\" -DIN_RING3 -DIN_GUEST > -DIN_GUEST_R3 -DIN_RT_R3 -DGC_ARCH_BITS=3D64 -DPIC -DVBOX_GUESTR3XORGMOD > -DRTMEM_NO_WRAP_TO_EF_APIS -D_XSERVER64 -DXFree86Server -DIN_MODULE > -DXFree86Module -DXFree86LOADER -DXINPUT -DXORG_7X -DIN_XF86_MODULE > -DDONT_DEFINE_WRAPPERS -DNO_ANSIC -DNO_ANSIC > -Wp,-MD,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2= .32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o.dep > -Wp,-MT,/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2= .32/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o > -Wp,-MP -o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/out/= freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/vboxmouse_drv_system/vboxmouse.o > /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/work/VirtualBox-5.2.32/src/= VBox/Additions/x11/vboxmouse/vboxmouse.c > kmk: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... > kmk: *** Exiting with status 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions > # > > Does it compile with you? > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: > > > .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} > USES+=3D python:2.7 > USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors > PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi > PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 > .else > USES+=3D python:2.7,build > .endif > > Virtualbox itself asks for it. > > As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled the > port. > > The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. > > -- > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] > > Why are you compiling vbox additions? You only need this when running freebsd as guest a VM INSIDE VBox. You need to make install emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod. They get installed in /boot/modules. Then you add vboxdrv_load=3D"YES" to /boot/loader.conf and vboxnet_enable=3D"YES" to /etc/rc.conf and reboot. --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 17:57:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554F02F85D4 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PY034x4Xz3JlS for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:57:37 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PY034x4Xz3JlS X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.06), asn: 209(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 17:57:41 -0000 On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:08, Valeri Galtsev = wrote: > I have workstation (desktop) running FreeBSD. But you are in a tiny tiny minority. > And from what is said on this list, I=E2=80=99m not the only one. This list is a tiny tiny minority of FreeBSD users, and even here most = of us are not using desktop FreeBSD. 12/stable is projected for EOL in 2024. Doesn=E2=80=99t seem too short. Considering the amount of security that is need4ed to run a system, the = life cycles are going to be necessarily shorter between needed updates. = The days of sticking a box I a closet and ignoring it for 10 years are, = thankfully, long in the past for any responsible admin. --=20 "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but 'Snowball for Windows=E2=80=99?" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:07:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7452B2F8B23 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PYCR54lzz3KX8 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:07:30 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PYCR54lzz3KX8 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.06), asn: 209(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:07:32 -0000 On 19 Feb 2020, at 01:52, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions = wrote: > To a beginner and uninitiated like me, the way FreeBSD labels > "stable", "release", "releng" and "current" is, at the very least, > confusing. It might be sensible to have a prominent note along the lines of =E2=80=9C= If you are wondering what to run, -RELEASE is the answer.=E2=80=9D Because, really, anyone who wants stable or current should know why they = do. I agree the names are not the best.=20 --=20 "I can't see the point in the theatre. All that sex and violence. I get enough of that at home. Apart from the sex, of course." - Baldrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:09:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0092F8C34 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PYFk73lMz3KdG for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:09:29 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PYFk73lMz3KdG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.975,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.06), asn: 209(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:09:31 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 12:07, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > On 19 Feb 2020, at 01:52,=20 Ugh. Sorry, I was in the wrong message view and did not notice the = dates. Don=E2=80=99t know why the messages were marked unread, but there = it is. --=20 "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain! But shouldn't we let the silk worms finish the boxer shorts before we put them on?=E2=80=9D From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:19:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07B52F937B for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PYTN5f2tz3LNB for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.31.138]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MDQRy-1jkQiv330o-00AW5h; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:19:27 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:19:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZY+RyAopf6pNiJDKAjpg/0Ncvmsi6httFlasNXdsoj7OOlvXQmW BEpTQffTEt1DYMhL2zxhDaotf6/6l8TysUdm8iOSG+x1O7wizjlGc86wEhfOhGNpG7Z893Q 8coQsjBkjv+PVM/vSWkeRuKmj0/uDULYQEqsfwxZW7epSeO8Ch70Uza9dCTnZq7ET4zsqza 010xDdbCi7xWtIE59dwyg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:A3fEw2lTWuQ=:ryS9eY63EWnj+EaFxdmooX ZCnn17Bj9p6EBjCs4ugEDty4el5sbq2+PCXbS1EjltoYx6ad4538zXglyXFBnz+w/WNcsmKw+ 9kDvIJrjf7ZE/r7RR8fGe2LBcMLN81eAEg1TtcVKjbIvyFz/4ctEuvQBCJEDfFQkMYQNFPJ70 k5OIF/EJ1bA7S8KouTbWS3EljhxAwhjCQITUSwaxJC9tWAe99ihgrzQahNGlZhgpCGfCX0OkH AKqLOVNpf4qYC/Z7sabQ7Hn30bReVag8AgHSX0R2ZKXrLjMdY89dl3DJpkQLYQuELoI2N129m d1wNgnH0B2Dp2QA88B6bZ/bzgx1NdYZrwzy29A+IkPZE8Roa774eQGvgDjo5WiAfO7pZPK8na f2Lf6i3lIG3xroqBkNsyf4esdEiMuRZlSXUjlzl0jkZzOTJ8IJHPwRi5SLfzoVVLfGFv/3L0i 2lo6f08AMXRr8psimolfrnCvVSnebeNQtOjMFHAmf4ub2vWds8DNk/w0JEa3Bw1Blm6nmvC1g PTxSJEHrXii4x0wFQeD91IdS48vCTipiVB4KdCdHuCayLDujvYu3O3qO3jXyFUAudp3uGWGWF k0/AFdyLjQcRv1NhFYrfea6RLkFsnyyqzxQ9LbxhpI2qfVsZUXMr7l6fiVhucyotbUd84RIkp v2qFLUJ46t0dFvDSTEoYLmPSLJ2gabBw+gytZeBOu4xep7OEdbmTvq/GNnX7OESKDpFXrpA15 8rt6EtP4SxwIT87dT5wnkRdrS+nluS5MaEwEUqOzaIa2NcAnvHMUIRhEf8u6LNguoTziUPV2b zxtnoGG4nYhoexv+alavCiBEVHTyIhvz0mE0mc6oY4d9JIK6NZ40Y++gtQQTBp4tznsLcR3 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PYTN5f2tz3LNB X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.72 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[138.31.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.957,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.36)[ip: (1.05), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(1.99), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:38 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:57:37 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:08, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > I have workstation (desktop) running FreeBSD. > > But you are in a tiny tiny minority. But _I_ am a big big user of FreeBSD for many many years, especially (!) on the desktop, so this counts as well. ;-) > > And from what is said on this list, I’m not the only one. > > This list is a tiny tiny minority of FreeBSD users, > and even here most of us are not using desktop FreeBSD. > > 12/stable is projected for EOL in 2024. Doesn’t seem too short. The era of "install once, then keep using" is long gone. Due to the rising complexity not just in the OS, but at application level (the libraries, the problem programs, all the "apps"), continuous updates and changes are required to keep - as strange as it might sound - the OS "compatible with the applications". This is not a consideration of "good vs. bad", it's just how things have developed over time. You can like it or not, but you have to agree with it because that's the status quo you (sadly or fortunately) have to deal with. > Considering the amount of security that is need4ed to run > a system, the life cycles are going to be necessarily > shorter between needed updates. The days of sticking a box > I a closet and ignoring it for 10 years are, thankfully, > long in the past for any responsible admin. Why "thankfully"? Maybe you haven't experienced how great that can be? Imagine a system designed for a specific job, tailored to do what it is told, in a static, non-changing manner. You install it. And it runs and runs and runs and runs. Older hardware could do this. And older software, in combination with that hardware, could do this. As long as the requirements don't change, it's not a problem, especially not when _not_ connected to the Internet - yes, I'm quite aware that _this_ is a significant problem in considering system security. Try to see the user's view: He requests something - and the system delivers. It does so as it did 5 years ago, and in 5 years, it will still do this. And now change to the admin view: He knows that there is a specific system that doesn't require him to pay attention to. No scheduling for downtime where a python upgrade might hose the whole set of applications; no configuration file change that makes the whole system unusable. It just sits there and does its thing. The responsible (!) admin of course has proper documentation for all this. Of course you canno generalize such a construct. It's probably just a very small niche use case, but it probably still exists somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised to somehow find a FreeBSD 4.3 system on a 200 MHz Pentium II with SCSI disks that controls some strange printing equipment... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:46:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872A62F9FFA for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PZ3t6dKkz3NNw for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.31.138]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MdNoW-1j0y391Gka-00ZRxq; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:45:55 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:45:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pSzCyeRXUvfeBQokVX+mLDcuKLWjpotVp1Si+hkojoCqemKLns+ /3IMQGyw64meMEnGRk1zupBOBthicHXxGcukfhI8n+uh/Eo0HTYYOZCCTEK13mQq0pfcg5r N18S9wpX4lxJP4+3eF0aKOAv9GMsyvnoPo672yHCkSXPP7JY+/fhajsBi/J9U3Si4ZVRO3V PMfHHAJpTmzQzqGiYFMJA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+Sfj+lQ3yrg=:4KhbIx2moKb0dvICJ2P6Qz LY4F+6oCz6UWPNZmWU8QGnZ0lM4w49/OzKbdWy/aal9iUj5TL5GrD8uQzJkYtBCxHc1B1c0BJ nZFpWAzz6ONAY5mfZYxuxg//MwFJZ8/BgDrYRW27CX3YT0xwC0NARkhONmjwmy57/pDIMrgfX +LhJJyr9zRphtzbyXQpYHbVuItvnLkQAzCQUbLt8/jDPFJgHsYICkkC1iYDSQ6QaHfoNUmEj/ mfQwvDl6uzq8CwEacyMeMLzyKr/kuX67kFBr6onZdbGeK129EG8x99HLW1ZdrO3QsBuQFKA8H +vlanfr56jx+Cwip1uKVqj/UEqPxWJVxtt5s9vwSpCn+MSHYkuDDy0Wve7zaajvjsPNZG5e91 DlIxjEjbCP+0XQMAkKfZ5WaAgpnuNq3YAEitz/guMbJuRmzAWcK3nPSGk4rABt6INzVIxSclb 9NEQkMuv8oTruGhoktFrTCkr7iojWvJX8qb6uV6acQ6WASPRfE13QooMU5T0aB1rMp61RkSYj ASi8IKWxktRjEJMuIh4QBj7YKSPwA3ocIBvh8Wvufdv5XRYxsGqvsYc2lm4PRO2FhH3QcqST6 B8QGhi3Td6xgOvVZJhQm77jmTkTOymZ6fxbxiowbe0Us9WC8cqG7qVVLG3AV419UJ6X72WD4p tbI0IYXzkfwN2eOl1izoUvGIr0Xc47n/6q2koNbFQaqE45DMN4bgZPi7l6SfESHsUOP37Sj84 iSelit9E25DH71JInfpOkc9Z48IKl5gHxd3LlQjA/t7TQgsvb2Di+HEyo+lDEc5N5GiBUN7HY 7SIAgPxHqQDOloRO5et/JiCcY6hmwXbR8+uZMejV6ilDW3nX+Wpbl4tZtuX0G/OlG9/EzXe X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PZ3t6dKkz3NNw X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[138.31.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_NEUTRAL(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.13]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.44)[ip: (1.44), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(1.99), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:46:04 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:07:30 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 19 Feb 2020, at 01:52, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > To a beginner and uninitiated like me, the way FreeBSD labels > > "stable", "release", "releng" and "current" is, at the very least, > > confusing. > > It might be sensible to have a prominent note along the lines > of “If you are wondering what to run, -RELEASE is the answer.” > > Because, really, anyone who wants stable or current should know > why they do. And how. > I agree the names are not the best. That is true; however there are historical reasons for the names, and their meaning is documented: In chapter 23 of The FreeBSD Handbook: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html And: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-releng/article.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:55:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A0F2FA5EB for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PZHK29FWz3P51 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CC310276A; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCSNxu5u5F5S; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.48] (p57A1FDDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.253.223]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 065CE102769; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Christoph Kukulies Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:55:45 +0200 Message-Id: <5A510C56-4369-4766-A3A9-1A2547CC05A1@kukulies.org> References: Cc: freeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: To: Mario Lobo X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17E262) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PZHK29FWz3P51 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.28)[-0.284,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.014,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (-0.41), ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(2.83), asn: 24940(-1.47), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[223.253.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:55:58 -0000 I need vboxvfs, which is in -additions. >=20 > Am 16.05.2020 um 18:02 schrieb Mario Lobo : >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:43 AM Christoph Kukulies > wrote: >=20 >> But=E2=80=A6 virtualbox-ose-additions fails: >>=20 >> Does it compile with you? >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >> Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: >>=20 >>=20 >> .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} >> USES+=3D python:2.7 >> USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 >> .else >> USES+=3D python:2.7,build >> .endif >>=20 >> Virtualbox itself asks for it. >>=20 >> As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled the >> port. >>=20 >> The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. >>=20 >> -- >> Mario Lobo >> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br >> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] >>=20 >> Why are you compiling vbox additions? You only need this when running > freebsd as guest a VM INSIDE VBox. >=20 > You need to make install emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod. They get installed= > in /boot/modules. I did that, but as said, vboxvfs isn=E2=80=98t in kmod. I wrote that. > Then you add vboxdrv_load=3D"YES" to /boot/loader.conf and > vboxnet_enable=3D"YES" to /etc/rc.conf > and reboot. > --=20 > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... =E2=80=94 Christoph=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 18:56:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C42FA68B for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PZHv4s0Cz3P96 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 18:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:56:25 -0600 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PZHv4s0Cz3P96 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.06), asn: 209(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:56:28 -0000 On 16 May 2020, at 12:19, Polytropon wrote: > And it runs and runs and runs and runs. Older hardware could do this. = And older software, in combination with that hardware, could do this. As = long as the requirements don't change, it's not a problem, especially = not when _not_ connected to the Internet - yes, I'm quite aware that = _this_ is a significant problem in considering system security. If the computer is not connected to any other computers and no person = ever has access to it, that=E2=80=99s fine. Otherwise, old OSes are porous insecure botnets-in-wait with dozens or = hundreds or thousands of exploits. And if your machine is not connected to the Internet and no human uses = it, go ahead an run FreeBSD 1.0. Who=E2=80=99s stopping you? But that=E2=80=99s an even smaller tiny tiny percentage than desktop = FreeBSD users and should have no bearing on the EOL schedule of the = current versions of the OS. The issue has been (but hopefully is not any lonher?) is that upgrading = from one version to another can be =E2=80=A6 well, sometimes impossible = is the best result. More than once I=E2=80=99ve had to completely setup = anew because the upgrade path either did not work or had been shut-off = (like version x.4 can be upgraded to only from x.3, but x.3 cannot be = installed now because it is EOL so you have no path forward from x.0 x.1 = and x.2 but to start afresh and you installed x.2 6 months ago). --=20 I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing. 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[ip: (0.44), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(1.99), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 19:54:54 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:56:25 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 16 May 2020, at 12:19, Polytropon wrote: > > And it runs and runs and runs and runs. Older hardware could > > do this. And older software, in combination with that hardware, > > could do this. As long as the requirements don't change, it's > > not a problem, especially not when _not_ connected to the > > Internet - yes, I'm quite aware that _this_ is a significant > > problem in considering system security. > > If the computer is not connected to any other computers and no > person ever has access to it, that’s fine. I know of a few particular systems that are networked to other computers, and operated by skilled and responsible (!) persons, but of course I can't go into detail; those settings involve FreeBSD 6 and Solaris, they have been set up many years ago, and they are still in use because they work as expected, and trying to replicate their functionality with modern hardware and software is a siginificant cost factor - much higher than keeping the current infrastructures alive, with spare parts at hand if needed. The requirements didn't change for years, and they won't change; the machinery involved doesn't change, and what people do with it doesn't change. So nobody saw a need to update anything just to have updated something. > Otherwise, old OSes are porous insecure botnets-in-wait with > dozens or hundreds or thousands of exploits. That is true, but is significant only as far as those systems interact with other things, especially over Internet. > But that’s an even smaller tiny tiny percentage than desktop > FreeBSD users and should have no bearing on the EOL schedule > of the current versions of the OS. The declarations of EOL do not take into mind how people use the software (and probably never have) - instead, they try to adapt to how software changes. Software dictates how people work, it's not the other way round (as it probably _should_ be). And business processes as well as executive mindsets have adapted to the way software changes, how it requires updates. That is surely not the ultimately desired state, but it is the current state. There are active discussions about how software design has disimproved over decades, and that things have become complicated for no real benefit. Of course this is not entirely true, because for every situation, you can ask: Who profits from the situation as it is now? You won't always know an answer, that's intended, but you will find many examples of "re-buying" (you pay for what already have paid for) in many sectors of economy: computer hardware, software, cars, mobile devices, media. All those have certain paths of "forced upgrade", often combined with some kind of vendor lock-in or "you will lose everything". Software is no special case, but it has come to a point where certain questions can be asked: for simplicity, for correctness, for reliability, for compatibility, for standardizedness, for predictability. In software, we _know_ how to do this. But we don't do it. So the primary question is: Why? And we're back at "cui bono". I just want to provide an example that "younger people" (TM) might find strange: In mainframe world, you can still compile and run programs written in a way to read data from a punched card reader and write data to a chain printer or a tape drive. There is no need to modify the source in order to run such a program on a current mainframe with a current OS. To a certain extent, you even have native binary compatibility. Yes, this is simplified, but basically true. ;-) More or less, we know this in UNIX world as standards like POSIX: Any POSIX-compliant program can be compiled, without any change, on any POSIX-compliant system, and will work as expected. But modern software is so much more than just POSIX, or anything that could be mapped to long-term standards. That's why operating systems have to adapt to innovations and changes not just in hardware, but also in software, especially for things related to security. Oh, and it has to mitigate the errors that hardware manufacturers put into their CPUs. :-) > The issue has been (but hopefully is not any lonher?) is that > upgrading from one version to another can be … well, sometimes > impossible is the best result. More than once I’ve had to > completely setup anew because the upgrade path either did not > work or had been shut-off (like version x.4 can be upgraded to > only from x.3, but x.3 cannot be installed now because it is > EOL so you have no path forward from x.0 x.1 and x.2 but to > start afresh and you installed x.2 6 months ago). It's not always bad to start from scratch. Situations differ, use cases differ, preferences differ, so no matter what paths you plan, there will always be users and admins who will not be able to take that path, for whatever reason. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:12:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6ACB2FC1EC for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Pbzw5pHvz3y9V for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Pbzp11Jqz2fjv9; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pbzw5pHvz3y9V X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.52)[-0.524,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 5650(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:45 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 11:45, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:07:30 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 19 Feb 2020, at 01:52, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions = wrote: >>> To a beginner and uninitiated like me, the way FreeBSD labels >>> "stable", "release", "releng" and "current" is, at the very least, >>> confusing. >>=20 >> It might be sensible to have a prominent note along the lines >> of =E2=80=9CIf you are wondering what to run, -RELEASE is the = answer.=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> Because, really, anyone who wants stable or current should know >> why they do. >=20 > And how. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> I agree the names are not the best.=20 >=20 > That is true; however there are historical reasons for the > names, and their meaning is documented: >=20 I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember the = confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but it's not = obvious to the new user. I was running production systems and the name = "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the descriptions made me = think that perhaps that was not the right choice. I finally settled on = "release" but it was quite a difficult decision. After many discussions = on this mailing list, I finally understood the differences. I still = find the names misleading, but I can work with them. I do feel for = anyone new to FreeBSD trying to figure that out. It might be "obvious" = to those who know, but it's not for others. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:18:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016A62FC464 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Pc6K2wPpz3yZT for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Pc6J49Bfz2fjW7; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 13:18:16 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2F483113-2B65-4F95-9B7F-AC94F06795A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pc6K2wPpz3yZT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.475,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 5650(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.924,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:18 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 11:56, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > On 16 May 2020, at 12:19, Polytropon wrote: >> And it runs and runs and runs and runs. Older hardware could do this. = And older software, in combination with that hardware, could do this. As = long as the requirements don't change, it's not a problem, especially = not when _not_ connected to the Internet - yes, I'm quite aware that = _this_ is a significant problem in considering system security. >=20 > If the computer is not connected to any other computers and no person = ever has access to it, that=E2=80=99s fine. >=20 Here is a real example: I have an older machine running some older = version (I don't even care which one it is). It serves as a 3rd level = backup for my main machines. It is powered on about once a week (when I = remember) and it initiates a backup to it and then shuts itself off. It = only has a connection to an internal LAN. There is no internet = connection. I also have 2 first level backups on site, and a 2nd level = backup off-site. Interestingly enough, in running with this backup = architecture for over 10 years, I have never had to resort to any of = them. I also have solar power and battery backup so that when = commercial power goes off, nothing notices, not even the cheap alarm = clocks. Not to shabby for a home office environment. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:52:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D032FD4E8 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PctF2tShz4277 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1589662373; x=1592254373; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=Na1RBU7sY51rkoakTYB7f6tCHSUEZxkvTlf5/xOloUg=; b=LwPUaqg3Qgpa6EvJNoyUNxjaCzJyH848gXlJdaZxXClR3BECaK0t+YP3isFpE7HIhkNq3WocSnbU5Rc+hRH73MgB24V2FFSGprdhJH3Dx/RuOT/sxaVTg476wT34R3A2Bs+yxpJwawJj6QtV0uWh02hRm5KIAIQds58FQx3ey/o= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDYxNWI0MzAuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 16 May 2020 16:52:45 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 16 May 2020 16:52:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ja3nX-0003dV-Gm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:52:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:52:43 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200516215243.ec4df83e108b8699291f9de6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PctF2tShz4277 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=LwPUaqg3; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.69)[-0.686,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.18), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.26), asn: 7381(0.07), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c1000615b430.c8964b1341182b2709d58efc27a856b0@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:52:54 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 Doug Hardie wrote: > I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember the > confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but it's not I started with 1.1 and watched those labels acquire their meaning during a period when every user built from sources and upgraded with make world. The terms seemed natural in that context and everyone using FreeBSD seemed to understand them, then as the OS matured and the user base widened it became clear that they were also confusing to some and the mailing lists grew noisy on the subject. > obvious to the new user. I was running production systems and the name > "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the descriptions made me > think that perhaps that was not the right choice. I finally settled on > "release" but it was quite a difficult decision. Before the release patches many people did run production systems on stable because the alternative was no changes until the next release. > It might be "obvious" to those who > know, but it's not for others. Not so much obvious as natural from some points of view, particularly the OS developer point of view, and indeed not natural from others which I think came as a surprise to some developers. These days I think most users should be running -release, installing packages, using freebsd-update and not going anywhere near sources. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:57:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ABE2FD63E for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PczG6jTtz42Fv for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id f3so6548170ioj.1 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:57:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3d5YahXB2agsf9rzWOtJKwW78a0SM2HvxJoCmHcOPKg=; b=ULwIj/+9gPyahI3ryVcW6V8q+1gzAehkbyMZJ81EHZ0H1M+kcC2liURRzqhsdxZU3Z uIW3YjPNQM4ZGJL/m91Ka1jJB4P9x+tw9bf8PLMlw7iDb3Ang5ln0r2EECsQmsnBSUq5 URSYXpEgaqJ+T6ms51a7fffg8wsuTEK6Zvrpk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=3d5YahXB2agsf9rzWOtJKwW78a0SM2HvxJoCmHcOPKg=; b=mc8wRybW6zQ2qRcv8z4/hNkIexw76thOEmZ7Cy2hxp6bwjaX+jiYxf1lps5Rl0ZqZq XeC8UfUExkotYfb4mT68HDWyNlo31eDoqj7XhWBYACBwu2shB/f/dFEJyNLsPf3fF2Lq IqEpuYFZYYWBfff+oZwDqrv7NqLmAPwKpA02JCkkQbeCwK+3NCPMrOf+9YW1xZzQr/kx CO8wPnlp4aHKh3cAIjd8gtQDK+y9mpZj3ZkO8F7tOWskpZQWvz9e8GzvYIdqtXqGM7Y3 WdvNxbt7FZ9Dg7YJ1acJNRj3FL11M24mbFwvHY2JgdSo6Cr/bgIf4ocOJgPu+mVKSmkE 8UOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532mhe91Z1LhQ/wk4Y0ODKGsY4pc/qMpwohYTqn5URP+CPrENoIq VZcSPamUgjx79fyO7hVmOv9q/pJ5LNyWTwnR7t3CSQll X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxGIT/x2lfrUMJxst76ri+c9Q5JrJ6ARSmVzqd7oDeHPGZsdBsk3CEnUCl79st75W7HFzXDWyd2MbDlUfQBLAI= X-Received: by 2002:a02:90cd:: with SMTP id c13mr8885173jag.83.1589662633046; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5A510C56-4369-4766-A3A9-1A2547CC05A1@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <5A510C56-4369-4766-A3A9-1A2547CC05A1@kukulies.org> From: Mario Lobo Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 17:57:01 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox-ose port fails (12.1) To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PczG6jTtz42Fv X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=ULwIj/+9; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-1.38)[ip: (-6.12), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:57:16 -0000 On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 3:55 PM Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I need vboxvfs, which is in -additions. > > > > > > Am 16.05.2020 um 18:02 schrieb Mario Lobo : > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:43 AM Christoph Kukulies > > wrote: > > > >> But=E2=80=A6 virtualbox-ose-additions fails: > >> > >> Does it compile with you? > >> > >> =E2=80=94 > >> Christoph > >> Here is a snippet from virtualbox-ose's Makefile: > >> > >> > >> .if ${PORT_OPTIONS:MPYTHON} > >> USES+=3D python:2.7 > >> USE_PYTHON=3D distutils noegginfo noflavors > >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGNAME=3D vboxapi > >> PYDISTUTILS_PKGVERSION=3D 1.0 > >> .else > >> USES+=3D python:2.7,build > >> .endif > >> > >> Virtualbox itself asks for it. > >> > >> As an experiment, I switched both lines for python:3.7 and compiled th= e > >> port. > >> > >> The port builds without errors and VirtualBox runs just fine. > >> > >> -- > >> Mario Lobo > >> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > >> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] > >> > >> Why are you compiling vbox additions? You only need this when running > > freebsd as guest a VM INSIDE VBox. > > > > You need to make install emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod. They get > installed > > in /boot/modules. > > I did that, but as said, vboxvfs isn=E2=80=98t in kmod. > I wrote that. > > > Then you add vboxdrv_load=3D"YES" to /boot/loader.conf and > > vboxnet_enable=3D"YES" to /etc/rc.conf > > and reboot. > > -- > > Mario Lobo > > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > > > vboxvfs.ko is used to mount virtualbox shared folders from the host, from inside a freebsd guest vm. I am just trying to understand what you need it for, other than using it inside a guest. --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 21:12:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547D02FDB27 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PdJm44X7z431G for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49PdJl2p3Xz2fjVJ; Sat, 16 May 2020 14:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20200516215243.ec4df83e108b8699291f9de6@sohara.org> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:12:23 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20200516215243.ec4df83e108b8699291f9de6@sohara.org> To: Steve O'Hara-Smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PdJm44X7z431G X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.40)[-0.400,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 5650(0.29), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.916,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:12:25 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 13:52, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 > Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >> I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember = the >> confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but it's = not >=20 > I started with 1.1 and watched those labels acquire their = meaning > during a period when every user built from sources and upgraded with = make > world. The terms seemed natural in that context and everyone using = FreeBSD > seemed to understand them, then as the OS matured and the user base = widened > it became clear that they were also confusing to some and the mailing = lists > grew noisy on the subject. >=20 >> obvious to the new user. I was running production systems and the = name >> "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the descriptions made = me >> think that perhaps that was not the right choice. I finally settled = on >> "release" but it was quite a difficult decision. >=20 > Before the release patches many people did run production = systems > on stable because the alternative was no changes until the next = release. >=20 >> It might be "obvious" to those who >> know, but it's not for others. >=20 > Not so much obvious as natural from some points of > view, particularly the OS developer point of view, and indeed not = natural > from others which I think came as a surprise to some developers. >=20 > These days I think most users should be running -release, > installing packages, using freebsd-update and not going anywhere near > sources. Originally, I had to compile from sources as one of the production = systems needed quotas. There was no way to use the generic kernel. It = was a pain to upgrade a production server. I went to a single = development machine which contained the source and built the production = kernel. However, you still had to run mergemaster on each system which = was never fast since you had to figure out the differences between many = config files to make sure everything would continue to run. The need for quotas went away and now I only run -release with = freebsd-update for all but a couple ports which don't seem to have = packages. I keep the full source on one development system so that I = can reference it when I encounter something in my code that doesn't make = sense. Often I encounter obtuse errorm messages, and seeing what causes = them makes it much easier to correct the problem. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 21:13:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DA82FDC27 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PdLN6dJ4z436f for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1589663629; x=1592255629; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=YH/MPNH8ciAoKMVRnG2evYXVe4ls+fKywSAOJA0mXws=; b=VbKSXa0uITKTfSYTEIIoP47vVjyEoKwrbCj2FIO/49uWgRUVloY2Bwhae/6GtXp2nJqDHmVZNVu++ID5MVajTUh66qW+lBlhOalOzyLMMnx3leKSVTNZpL/4cGAQctla3bJllGTHykBlmUClxRuaYYANfc/Pn9486Y5ET6JpyLI= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDYxNjI2YTQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 16 May 2020 17:13:40 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 16 May 2020 17:13:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ja47m-0003kJ-MI; Sat, 16 May 2020 22:13:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 22:13:38 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200516221338.5bf2b56beef877456336e43c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PdLN6dJ4z436f X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=VbKSXa0u; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.801,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.18), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.26), asn: 7381(0.07), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100061626a4.b9299a3d3c0790c2e5721014f17da74f@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:13:49 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 20:19:23 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:57:37 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > > On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:08, Valeri Galtsev > > wrote: > > > I have workstation (desktop) running FreeBSD. > > > > But you are in a tiny tiny minority. I was in one of those simply for having a computer the first time I ran unix at home. I was still in one when I first had a FreeBSD based workstation in 1993. FreeBSD makes a much better workstation now but it was quite adequate then. > But _I_ am a big big user of FreeBSD for many many years, ... and I'm another one for rather more years. > especially (!) on the desktop, so this counts as well. ;-) There are quite a few of us, but yes a tiny and happy minority. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 21:20:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF6F2FDD6B for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@thehowies.com) Received: from remote.thehowies.com (remote.thehowies.com [50.197.91.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "remote.thehowies.com", Issuer "USERTrust RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49PdTj6VpZz43Dk for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@thehowies.com) Received: from PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::497b:de8e:1045:4c2a]) by PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::6437:d031:7477:6451%10]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; 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Sat, 16 May 2020 18:11:27 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 16 May 2020 18:11:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ja51g-0003y6-FC; Sat, 16 May 2020 23:11:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:11:24 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: John Howie Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200516231124.c6f04e4f3f9c0b9e492b11ea@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20200516215243.ec4df83e108b8699291f9de6@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.18), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.26), asn: 7381(0.07), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10006178405.abcd02eb63c67818dc8a4796a0f66974@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10006178405.abcd02eb63c67818dc8a4796a0f66974@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 22:11:36 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 21:19:43 +0000 John Howie wrote: > On 5/16/20, 1:53 PM, "owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org on behalf of > Steve O'Hara-Smith" steve@sohara.org> wrote: > > These days I think most users should be running -release, > installing packages, using freebsd-update and not going anywhere near > sources. > > LOL! I wish that were the case. I am elbow deep in source code every time > I touch the FreeBSD box. I think you mean "end-users". For those of us Indeed I mean end users - hopefully most users are end users. > writing system and toolchain code it is not an option. We have to start Indeed for developers source code and the branches are essential, once upon a time they were essential for end users, now they should be avoided by end users. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 23:33:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018C22D9B19 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 23:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49PhS0013Mz49GB for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 23:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id 825BA4E73E; Sat, 16 May 2020 16:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Yuri Pankov cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (character) Conversion error (in vi) ? In-Reply-To: <06696e14-e7e5-f212-4ef0-b89e7e78cde5@fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <72172.1589672025.1@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 16:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <72173.1589672025@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49PhS0013Mz49GB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rfg@tristatelogic.com designates 69.62.255.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rfg@tristatelogic.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tristatelogic.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.06)[ip: (-8.02), ipnet: 69.62.128.0/17(-4.01), asn: 14051(-3.19), country: US(-0.05)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[fastmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14051, ipnet:69.62.128.0/17, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:33:53 -0000 In message <06696e14-e7e5-f212-4ef0-b89e7e78cde5@fastmail.com>, Yuri Pankov wrote: >I'm interested in more details on this as I could be somewhat involved >(see PR 202290). What release did you upgrade from/to? Could you >provide a simple test case that shows the issue? Yuri, I've just read PR 202290 and I have added to it a one line attachment which is a test case that demonstrates the issue/problem I have been experiencing, which sounds like it is most probably the same issue as in PR 202290. (But I would like your opinion on that.) The test case is just a From: line from am email sent to me by a european correspondant of mine. (Note that I use NHM as a mail client, and that it in turn invokes vi to edit new outbound messages and replies, which is where I frequently encounter this issue/problem.) I'm too embarassed to tell you what versions of FreeBSD I last did an upgrade from. Let's just say that it was certifiably ancient. My last full upgrade was to 12.0-RELEASE and that date on my local vi is as follows: -r-xr-xr-x 6 root wheel 461872 Dec 6 2018 /usr/bin/vi I guess that I simply need to upgrade that in order to get your fix for this issue (?) (Yes, I tend to be altogether too lax in keeping this particular system upgraded.)