From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 26 11:35:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2EE3FBC00 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bz6Cn4Trpz4V3S for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bz6Cc2gDqzFl3T for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1601120131; bh=vZsWctPt4XDaDaZp/1l4UIsjZxBsFHBtbzKgBrew1S4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HPq0p4rmJHkm6uaThUQgZ/Qgo8y1JfOQXUp7QK8Jly7QVCQU9ycRGXErB2AIY74Aa RB4ZNDSM4vsOB1YDaoBF1fCu0AiG9gtsn4ftB5nxMbwnp8y8FSKFSP38GFwXS2CmeR MDANftAcjYfmBx7/qpFE8PGb7NLBrSrxg9v9qZNg= X-Riseup-User-ID: B5F1E8F06CC323E6E5045B4F2B1E19C8EA76F73A6679E780FF54F15A9376D25C Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Bz6Cb4zNJzJp57 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 04:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:35:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ] Message-ID: <20200926133520.44424b93@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200925052418.00007bb0@seibercom.net> References: <1zr37000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000QH6PT000xnpezbIfSciX_94747igUg@sfdc.net> <20200925084452.3245e533@moonstudio> <20200925052418.00007bb0@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bz6Cn4Trpz4V3S X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=HPq0p4rm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.22 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.940]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.689]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:35:35 -0000 On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 05:24:18 -0400, Jerry wrote: >On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:44:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf commented: >>You are aware that sending this mail to a support is spam to the >>mailing lists that have got nothing to do with this support? >> >>On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:46:34 -0700, David Christensen wrote: =20 >>>What is the URL for the ISO file for SeaToolsBootable[snip]? =20 >> >>Google: https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/ >> =20 >>>What is the URL for the source code for [snip] any [snip] >>>GPL v2 code distributed with SeaToolsBootable [snip]? =20 >> >>This kind of nitpicking is the reason that some vendors never ever >>will support FLOSS operating systems. Without this nitpicking way more >>vendors would use and/or support FLOSS operating systems. >> >>Most of the times it will not result in hosting the source codes on a >>vendor's server, it more likely will end up with dropping FLOSS >>entirely. =20 > >I had a talk with a technician from Brother USA several years ago >regarding them directly supporting FreeBSD as they do some other FOSS >distributions. What you just mentioned was one of their concerns. There >were others, a lot of others, but it all came down to it was not >financially feasible for them to do it. =46rom a vendor's point of view there indeed could be way more issues, hence nitpicking about hosting source code, that already is hosted by upstream, is counter-productive regarding one and the other goal. Sometimes a "please follow the rules as close as possible", is way more constructive, than following rules without any considerations. Sure, way to much traffic could become an issue for upstream, while a rich company might profit for free as in beer, OTOH an altruistic, philanthrope project might become impossible, even while not causing an issue for upstream. The r=C3=A9sum=C3=A9 is "balance" is required, but "nitpicking" is "self-defeating".