From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 25 16:52:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9A7106567A for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexanderchuranov@gmail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C57E8FC0A for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexanderchuranov@gmail.com) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n8so308708gve.39 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Va1cw8HB9KgidUFl5jZ6diaNR+4C/ajGgpIw0EYE0rk=; b=UdfIXPLGisTlZ0QdIlRB2be2M/W0cK90vmkEZrg2X7d9dZ6CWXegGlyb8EE4Yqc30w Gvy3ynboXCjHa1EEh5ioYyLTOKgHi8AY6bgfOt/aCA3kekJlIO+xX2XYWwkjkPqBY5AW ifUpCzsOo1w6EGIB/jMt/JV99YGHpTN3llUu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=am23N7/jtMKLV36sz8iWROR2l+Shw69gCGDdeU94KaQzKKSVpMcHiJQ+TdhnxME7U0 rKUcV5ASUXHpO7ez+kaLoH6IDpxcUVZg7yYmE3MsXdyGQeAex1/3UTuObyts3w0UfFC+ Pa4a3GCKc7i2epHmSdeQ8bFZWLWnRcyplO/f8= Received: by 10.210.78.16 with SMTP id a16mr6869335ebb.173.1219683168967; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.130.15 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3cb459ed0808250952j572dfc35j2feb852a73de5ace@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:52:48 +0400 From: "Alexander Churanov" To: "Marcel Moolenaar" In-Reply-To: <85D9ECC0-D8BB-406B-B527-036242A1BC4D@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3cb459ed0808221700w335b0906g6901d8b8bec4dad9@mail.gmail.com> <200808241415.31812.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <6a7033710808241239p1cbdc7adwd4f87814b428b10b@mail.gmail.com> <3cb459ed0808241958v552eafejf7841f0f9993928e@mail.gmail.com> <48B28B8D.9030305@kjarrval.is> <3cb459ed0808250621s28a1b825u1cc16939951bb157@mail.gmail.com> <85D9ECC0-D8BB-406B-B527-036242A1BC4D@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Svavar_L=FAthersson?= Subject: Re: Unicode-based FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:52:51 -0000 2008/8/25 Marcel Moolenaar > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:21 AM, Alexander Churanov wrote: > > I'm just trying to be realistic and provide doable solution. I leave plans >> of rewriting every bit of software to others. And I even think that latter >> is not required, since syscons console is probably not heavily used now. >> > > This is not true. FreeBSD is used in far more environments > than the typical desktop environment running X11. It is > therefore important to realize that you cannot claim that > there's always X11 to fall back upon when it comes to i18n > or that those cases are not significant or important enough > to consider. > > FYI, > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar > xcllnt@mac.com Marcel, I do not know thestatistics, but as for me I'm either using FreeBSD as a desktop, or as a server (firewall, gateway, router, database - do not matter). On a desktop machine I have X and server is typically managed via ssh. This leaves only installation and single-user modes for syscons console. Other uses are rare for me. And how do you use syscons? Alexander Churanov