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Date:      Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:26:10 -0600
From:      "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1008707170.1bf1a6@mired.org>
To:        Technical Information <tech_info@threespace.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air..
Message-ID:  <15385.3810.321519.670080@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011213150733.01572328@threespace.com>
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Technical Information <tech_info@threespace.com> types:
> At 11:26 PM 12/12/2001, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > There's nothing like sitting down at
> > > another UNIX user's personal computer and trying to get accustomed to his
> > > personalized mouse button mapping, follow-the-pointer window focusing, or
> > > even directory structure.
> >Maximize the xterm window, invoke screen, and forget about it. All
> >done.
> This just sounds like an attempt at avoiding the issue to me.  I don't know 
> how this helps when I need to run X-based software and manipulate its windows.

Ah, you're changing the problem slightly. Yes, you're right. But this
is like editors. You exit their X environment, and start one running a
"standard" environment that every X system has - like twm.

> > > Yeah, the other operating
> > > systems have got all that too *if* you're willing to learn to use it.
> >Um - could you tell me how to get a paned window manager running on
> >any MS-Windows operating system? They're over 50% faster than framed
> >window managers for typical wm applications.
> I don't know what paned vs. framed refers to, but give me a hint and I'll 
> see if I can quickly find a Windows-based equivalent.

Rather than controlling windows by wrapping frames around them that
the user manipulates with a mouse to change the size and location, the
screen is divided up into "panes", much like the panes one finds in
picture windows on older houses. When an application opens a window,
it goes into the current pane. A window put in a pane gets resized to
the largest size for it that fits inside the pane - there's no way for
the user to change that. The minimal capabilities the wm provides are
the ability to move between panes, preferably keyboard-driven; the
ability to move a window to the current pane; and the ability to
circulate the windows open in the current pane.

	<mike
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Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>			http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
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