From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 13 12:26:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-201-166.mmcable.com [65.31.201.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 888CC37B417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 79308 invoked by uid 100); 13 Dec 2001 20:26:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15385.3810.321519.670080@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:26:10 -0600 To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011213150733.01572328@threespace.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011212181551.015734a8@threespace.com> <20011211140107.A67653@FreeBSD.org> <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> <20011211230257.A5157@tisys.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011213150733.01572328@threespace.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.42/Python 2.1.1 (freebsd4) From: "Mike Meyer" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Technical Information types: > At 11:26 PM 12/12/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > There's nothing like sitting down at > > > another UNIX user's personal computer and trying to get accustomed to his > > > personalized mouse button mapping, follow-the-pointer window focusing, or > > > even directory structure. > >Maximize the xterm window, invoke screen, and forget about it. All > >done. > This just sounds like an attempt at avoiding the issue to me. I don't know > how this helps when I need to run X-based software and manipulate its windows. Ah, you're changing the problem slightly. Yes, you're right. But this is like editors. You exit their X environment, and start one running a "standard" environment that every X system has - like twm. > > > Yeah, the other operating > > > systems have got all that too *if* you're willing to learn to use it. > >Um - could you tell me how to get a paned window manager running on > >any MS-Windows operating system? They're over 50% faster than framed > >window managers for typical wm applications. > I don't know what paned vs. framed refers to, but give me a hint and I'll > see if I can quickly find a Windows-based equivalent. Rather than controlling windows by wrapping frames around them that the user manipulates with a mouse to change the size and location, the screen is divided up into "panes", much like the panes one finds in picture windows on older houses. When an application opens a window, it goes into the current pane. A window put in a pane gets resized to the largest size for it that fits inside the pane - there's no way for the user to change that. The minimal capabilities the wm provides are the ability to move between panes, preferably keyboard-driven; the ability to move a window to the current pane; and the ability to circulate the windows open in the current pane. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message